Subject: TROMBONE-L Digest - 17 Jan 2004 to 18 Jan 2004 (#2004-19) Date: Monday, January 19, 2004 12:00 AM From: Automatic digest processor Reply-To: "Trombones and related issues forum." To: Recipients of TROMBONE-L digests There are 11 messages totalling 395 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Marcellus Mouthpiece (5) 2. Practice Mutes (3) 3. TROMBONE-L Digest - 16 Jan 2004 to 17 Jan 2004 (#2004-18) 4. Trombone Weekend UW Seattle 24-26 Jan 5. practice mutes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 11:02:19 -0500 From: Bruce Guttman Subject: Re: Marcellus Mouthpiece The Marcellus mouthpiece is a slight variation on the Remington. Perhaps Marcellus himself is checking this list and can give full details. Best I can tell it is similar to a Bach 5G, but some folks will find it better. I tried one that came with my Conn 19I euphonium, but since I usually play Bach 4's (or equivalent) I found it too small. Hope this helps. Bruce Guttman Section Leader, Merrimack Valley Philharmonic Orchestra Solo Trombone, Hollis Town Band ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 11:07:09 EST From: David Carter Subject: Re: Marcellus Mouthpiece Not familiar with the Marc. Marcellus, but if it's like the Benge Marcellus it would have a rim similar to a 4G and a cup similar to a 5GS. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:02:04 EST From: Steve88h@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Marcellus Mouthpiece In a message dated 1/18/04 10:04:12 AM, BGuttman@COMPUSERVE.COM writes: << The Marcellus mouthpiece is a slight variation on the Remington. Perhaps Marcellus himself is checking this list and can give full details. Best I can tell it is similar to a Bach 5G, but some folks will find it better. I tried one that came with my Conn 19I euphonium, but since I usually play Bach 4's (or equivalent) I found it too small. >> I was told by a United sales rep several years ago the the Marcellus mouthpiece was a copy of the Gardinelli Symphony model T. Steve Lund ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 09:10:14 -0700 From: Mark Bauer Subject: Re: Marcellus Mouthpiece I just sent him an email. Thank you. I figured it would probably be in the neighborhood of a 5G. A friend of mine said it could be a 4GS but I didn't think it was. What is the difference between a 5G and a 5GS? Paul D. Kemp Jr. wrote: >Mark, > If I had to make an educated guess, it would be something in the >neighborhood of a 5G or a 5GS. I saw one of these for the first time last >Saturday when one of my students had one with his Benge trombone. I >personally think that it would be an OK mouthpiece, but not for younger >students. You could e-mail John at marcelduck@aol.com and ask him yourself. > >Paul Kemp >Chattanooga Symphony >www.trbnplyr.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Bauer" >To: >Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 9:23 PM >Subject: [TBN-L] Marcellus Mouthpiece > > > > >>I recently came across a Marcellus large bore mouthpiece that I used with >> >> >Conn 88H. It only says Marcellus on it and no mouthpice size. Does anyone >know what size this would be equivalent to? > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:12:41 -0700 From: Steve Gamble Subject: Re: Practice Mutes Hi John, I use my Wallace mute fairly often. I like to practice first thing in the morning. Usually that's when I do my soft practicing, as soft as possible just for the fun of it. But sometimes I want a change of pace so I put in the practice mute. No practice mute is perfect, but the Wallace mute is remarkably good...not very stuffy and relatively good intonation and range. Recently I spent five days in a hotel and practiced each day always with the mute in. I was prepared to suffer some ill effects from that much practice with a practice mute but the experience was just about all positive. The only other practice mute that I've tried that compares is the mute portion of the Silent Brass. That's pretty good too, but a lot more money. Steve Gamble, Librarian Tucson Symphony Orchestra 2175 N. 6th Ave. Tucson, AZ 85705 (520) 792-9155 x118 (520) 792-9314 fax (520) 991-7056 cel sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org -----Original Message----- From: Trombones and related issues forum. [mailto:TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU] On Behalf Of John Burton Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 1:23 PM To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU Subject: [TBN-L] Practice Mutes With my wife working nights lately, I find myself wishing for a practice mute. I read Chris Waage's review on the Wallace practice mute (http://trombone.org/pdf/wallacemute-rev.pdf). Unfortunately, "Wallacebrass.u-net.com" no longer exists, so I can't find more about the Wallace mute. So, two questions 1) Where does one buy Wallace practice mutes? 2) Is Wallace still a good practice mute for the dollars? Thanks for your input!! --==jb==-- ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= john burton Bach 50B3 Bass Trombone, Charleston NeoPhonic Orchestra South Charleston, West Virginia ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:40:44 EST From: SteveInside@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Practice Mutes In a message dated 18/01/04 19:14:07 GMT Standard Time, sgamble@TUCSONSYMPHONY.ORG writes: > The only other practice mute > that I've tried that compares is the mute portion of the Silent Brass. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hey Steve I use a Silent Brass too and find it excellent. And it seems to work just the same with both large and small bore horns. But, as Dan P says, it *is* heavy. Regards Steve C ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:06:56 -0600 From: Chris Waage Subject: Re: Practice Mutes One drawback to extensive practice mute practice is that you start playing the mute, rather than playing the instrument. Focus on the correct feel, rather than the limited feedback you get from the muted instrument. For example, the Wallace mute has a tendency to make the low end sharp. You'll catch yourself lipping the notes down or adjusting the slide to to be in tune. The obvious issue here is that practice mute position then does not match up to real-world position. However, with intelligent reflection, you'll find what works for the positive and what has a negative impact. Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Trombones and related issues forum. > [mailto:TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU] On Behalf Of John Burton > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 1:23 PM > To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU > Subject: [TBN-L] Practice Mutes > > With my wife working nights lately, I find myself wishing for a practice > mute. > > I read Chris Waage's review on the Wallace practice mute > (http://trombone.org/pdf/wallacemute-rev.pdf). Unfortunately, > "Wallacebrass.u-net.com" no longer exists, so I can't find more about > the > Wallace mute. > > So, two questions > > 1) Where does one buy Wallace practice mutes? > 2) Is Wallace still a good practice mute for the dollars? > > Thanks for your input!! > > --==jb==-- > > ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= > > john burton > Bach 50B3 > Bass Trombone, Charleston NeoPhonic Orchestra > South Charleston, West Virginia > -- Chris Waage, Associate Webmaster The Online Trombone Journal "A Website for Trombonists" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 15:39:00 -0500 From: Lisa & Patrick Bates Subject: Re: Marcellus Mouthpiece 5GS is a little shorter (smaller cup?) brighter sound than a 5G ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Bauer" To: Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [TBN-L] Marcellus Mouthpiece > I just sent him an email. Thank you. I figured it would probably be in > the neighborhood of a 5G. A friend of mine said it could be a 4GS but I > didn't think it was. What is the difference between a 5G and a 5GS? > > Paul D. Kemp Jr. wrote: > > >Mark, > > If I had to make an educated guess, it would be something in the > >neighborhood of a 5G or a 5GS. I saw one of these for the first time last > >Saturday when one of my students had one with his Benge trombone. I > >personally think that it would be an OK mouthpiece, but not for younger > >students. You could e-mail John at marcelduck@aol.com and ask him yourself. > > > >Paul Kemp > >Chattanooga Symphony > >www.trbnplyr.com > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Mark Bauer" > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 9:23 PM > >Subject: [TBN-L] Marcellus Mouthpiece > > > > > > > > > >>I recently came across a Marcellus large bore mouthpiece that I used with > >> > >> > >Conn 88H. It only says Marcellus on it and no mouthpice size. Does anyone > >know what size this would be equivalent to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 16:58:19 -0500 From: Chris Dearth Subject: Re: TROMBONE-L Digest - 16 Jan 2004 to 17 Jan 2004 (#2004-18) I think it is basically a copy of a Denis Wick 4BL with a smaller throat. I came across one while I was playing a 4BL and it looked and felt like a clone with a smaller throat. Chris Dearth Principal Trombone, West Virginia Symphony 2nd Trombone, Evansville Philharmonic >From: Mark Bauer >Subject: Marcellus Mouthpiece >I recently came across a Marcellus large bore mouthpiece that I used with >Conn 88H. It only says Marcellus on it and no mouthpice size. Does anyone >know what size this would be equivalent to? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 16:10:25 -0800 From: David Leep Subject: Trombone Weekend UW Seattle 24-26 Jan By accident I found out about this event just today. (What, since Peter Ellefson left town nobody tells us these things any more?) If an announcement has already been posted here, then pardon my redundancy. (I don't recall any, but I have passed the age of forgetfulness.) But if there are others around Seattle who haven't already heard, check out this web link: http://faculty.washington.edu/donimmel/trombonology.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 20:26:58 -0800 From: Steve Ferguson Subject: Re: practice mutes I've heard good things about the Wallace mutes, and they work in bass trombones too, but fit in the bell, so you can carry them there inside the case. For a light weight practice mute, you can hardly beat the neoprene Softone mute by Ira Nepus. If you don't have to be absolutely silent, it's a winner, especially on bass trombone. For tenor, there can be a few midrange notes around middle D that don't speak accurately for some, but Ira said to just work on those notes more, and when you get them well centered, take off the mute and find out how much better you can now play them, so it's a good practice aid as well. And, you can hang it over your bell about halfway for an excellent bucket mute sound. I sell them, and have a short movie on my site showing how totake it off and put it on. They are available from Conn-Selmer too, so any local dealer can get it for you. They come in small and large tenor, and small and large bass sizes. Also, I recently bought some Trumcor mutes for trombones and tubas. These are based on the old Ted Griffith designs, and were formerly marketed under the Aulos name. I got the straight and cup mutes, and these are spectacular. They're very light weight fiber mutes like the old Shastock brand. Trumcor makes two kinds of practice mutes in sizes for tenor and bass trombones. I haven't tried these yet, but they look good and if they are anywhere as good as their straight and cup mutes, they'll be a winner. They have two types of practice mutes. One is rather soft but is comfortable to play on for longer practice sessions, and the other is much softer but may be less comfortable to use for longer practice sessions. Perhaps it's the preferable choice for warming up at a gig. These aren't cheap at $80-90, but they are beautiful and are handmade. They look fragile, so if I were to use them regularly in my mute bag, I might make a small box to carry them. Steve Ferguson (dot net) ------------------------------ End of TROMBONE-L Digest - 17 Jan 2004 to 18 Jan 2004 (#2004-19) ****************************************************************