Subject: TROMBONE-L Digest - 7 Jan 2004 to 8 Jan 2004 (#2004-9) Date: Friday, January 9, 2004 12:00 AM From: Automatic digest processor Reply-To: "Trombones and related issues forum." To: Recipients of TROMBONE-L digests There are 7 messages totalling 266 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Chicago Symphony Brass Quintet (2) 2. Rotary valve alterations to remove stuffiness (2) 3. Shameless DJO Plug 4. 2 cool old small bore Conns for sale 5. Rims-soldered or unsoldered. What is the difference? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:40:54 +0900 From: Joseph Green Subject: Re: Chicago Symphony Brass Quintet >I am in the midst of completing my written DMA exams, and am desperately = >seeking sources of information on the Chicago Symphony Brass Quintet. > >Do you have any information or leads as to the history of the ensemble? Details of the members and contents of two LPs from the 1950s can be found near the top of this page: That took less than 30 seconds with Google. Can I get a DMA too? JG ~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:48:51 -1000 From: Eric Nagamine Subject: Re: Chicago Symphony Brass Quintet > > Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 11:46:45 +0100 > From: Howard Weiner > Subject: Re: Chicago Symphony Brass Quintet > > At 21:21 06.01.04 -0600, Trombonus Rex wrote: > > >>I am in the midst of completing my written DMA exams, and am desperately >>seeking sources of information on the Chicago Symphony Brass Quintet. >> >>Do you have any information or leads as to the history of the ensemble? > > > There is a short chapter on the Chicago Symphony Brass Quintet on pages > 41-2 of Brian Frederiksen's book "Arnold Jacob: Song and Wind." > > > >>I noticed that they had just given a recital in 2002, and was wondering if >>you might know if the group has any recording except for the old Gabrieli >>recording? > > > There was a 10-inch red plastic LP issued by Audiophile Records, apparently > recorded in 1954. At some point during the 1970s, Renold Schilke had a new > pressing made, which he sold in his shop. My favorite track on the record > was the first movement of the Beethoven String Quartet op. 18, no. 2. > Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of the record. > Actually, there were 2 12 inch red vinyl LPs as issued by Audiophile Records of Saukville Wisconsin. AP-21 later reissued by a Texas company in the 70's IIRC. Both were considered excellent hi-fi LPs as they were recorded by Ewing Nunn. The CSO Woodwind Quintet with Philip Farkas also recorded for the label (4 LPs) AP-21 Chicago Symphony Brass Ensemble, mono Adolph S. Herseth and Renold Schilke, trumpets; Frank Crisafulli, trombone; Hugh A. Cowden, french horn; Arnold Jacobs, tuba; 1954 (side A) Gottfried Reiche: Sonata No. 15, Beethoven: Quartet, Opus 18, No. 2, Gabrieli: Canzona per Sonare No. 2, Weelkes: A Gay Tune, J.S. Bach: Sarabande and Minuet (side B) Hindemith: Morgen Music for Brass, Haines: Toccata, Zinders: Suite for Brass, Lebow: Suite for Brass AP-32 Chicago Symphony Brass Ensemble: Symphony In Brass (mono) Adolph Herseth and Renold Schilke, trumpets; Frank Crisafulli, trombone; Hugh A. Crowden, french horn; Arnold Jacobs, tuba; 1955. All works by Leonard Lebow. (side A) St. Louis Blues Tone Poem, Suite For Brass (Lebow wrote four suites for brass. This one is different from the one on AP-21.) (side B) Quintet for Brass The Mills Library at the University of Wisconsin-Madison or the Stanford Archives of Recorded Sound in California may have the discs in question. ----------- Aloha and Mahalo, Eric Nagamine http://home.hawaii.rr.com/mahlerb/broadcaststartpage.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 08:28:18 -0700 From: Dennis Clason Subject: Re: Rotary valve alterations to remove stuffiness > While doing all this checking, a couple of questions as I wander into the > land of repairmen. > > 1) the little "alignment" marks... Are they the gospel? That is, are they > "right" and not to be argued with? No. > 2) is there any way to ensure proper alignment other than whittling on the > cork/rubber stops on both ends of the valve travel? Not usually. Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 11:49:37 EST From: MikeSuter@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Shameless DJO Plug Hi All, Denny wrote <> I've had the pleasure of sharing a stage with the DJO. If you're anywhere near Dayton get there! Mike Suter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 11:54:49 EST From: MikeSuter@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Rotary valve alterations to remove stuffiness Hi John & All, << 1) the little "alignment" marks... Are they the gospel? That is, are they "right" and not to be argued with? >> They're as absolute as a politicians promise. When you or your repair tech aligns your rotors, re-mark the alignment points. << 2) is there any way to ensure proper alignment other than whittling on the cork/rubber stops on both ends of the valve travel? >> That's the first step in the alignment process. The stops are inexpensive. You can get raw cork at hobby or automotive stores. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:52:11 -0600 From: Jeff Albert Subject: 2 cool old small bore Conns for sale 1921 Conn 6H For Sale. Serial # 182 220. Great sound, but less than = ideal mechanical condition. There is some wear on the inners, slide/bell attachment is friction fit. It does have a slide lock. The outer slides = look to be the same great old Conn red brass as the bell. I got this horn = while I was on a 6H search, and ended up getting two. The other one was ready to = go, and I never got around to fixing this one up. It doesn't have the = original case, but I will ship it in an old pretty beat 88H case (well packed of course). I am asking $300.00, shipping and insurance (within the US ) included. All reasonable offers considered. Pics at http://www.jeffalbert.com/for_sale/1921_6H.htm=20 1926 Conn 18H (Tait Model) serial # 235 804 for sale. It is a silver = plated tuning in the handslide model. There is significant plating wear at = contact points and on the inner slides. Friction fit. No slide lock. I bought = this horn because I wanted to check out some slide tuning designs. It has a marvelous sound. The slide is ok, but probably not gig ready, although I think it could be made gig ready with a little work. Great choice for = the curious or collectors. Comes with original (I think) case and an old = Conn mouthpiece. I am asking $300.00, shipping and insurance (in the US) included. I will listen to any reasonable offer. =20 Pics at http://www.jeffalbert.com/for_sale/1926_18H.htm=20 =20 Thanks, =20 Jeff Albert =20 www.jeffalbert.com =20 =20 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 20:19:38 +0000 From: Daniel Pliskin Subject: Rims-soldered or unsoldered. What is the difference? Dale, Well, you either asked the wrong question of you asked the wrong person. Eutectic tin-lead solder, the lowest melting point solder, melts at 190 degrees C. But soldering is done at temperatures, well in excess of the melting point of the solder. Commercial electronics is generally soldered at temperatures of 330 to 530 degrees C. The annealing temperature for brass is not a fixed number, but a function of both temperature and time. Cartridge brass is considered fully annealed if held at 260 degrees C for an hour. So it seems inevitable that the rim of a bell will be at least partially annealed, in the process of being soldered. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx ------------------------------ End of TROMBONE-L Digest - 7 Jan 2004 to 8 Jan 2004 (#2004-9) *************************************************************