Subject: TROMBONE-L Digest - 31 Dec 2003 to 1 Jan 2004 (#2004-2) Date: Friday, January 2, 2004 12:00 AM From: Automatic digest processor Reply-To: "Trombones and related issues forum." To: Recipients of TROMBONE-L digests There are 10 messages totalling 462 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Scales for the New Year (4) 2. Fwd: Re: [TBN-L] Rims-soldered or unsoldered. What is the difference? 3. Fwd: Re: [TBN-L] Rims-soldered or unsoldered. What is thedifference? 4. Gear: Virtual Rhythm Section for Bonetet (2) 5. NAVY BRASS QUINTET 6. Happy New Year ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 01:38:58 EST From: MikeSuter@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Scales for the New Year Hi Tom & All, << Here's one for all of us: scales. >> And in the spirit of a new beginning, only learn them ascending . . . for the first week at least. MS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 12:12:25 EST From: Dslide13@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Scales for the New Year In a message dated 1/1/2004 1:39:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, MikeSuter@AOL.COM writes: > And in the spirit of a new beginning, only learn them ascending . . . for > the > first week at least. > > MS > And...learn them in 4 octaves...or 5 if that's not challenging enough. DG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 12:40:52 -0500 From: sabutin Subject: Fwd: Re: [TBN-L] Rims-soldered or unsoldered. What is the difference? >Sam, are you saying that "most people" purchase our horns without >ever having played them? If so, I have to take exception to that. > >If that's not what you're saying, could you please clarify? > >Thanks and happy new year one and all. > >Dale Cruse >Director of Sales >S.E. Shires ======== No. But most people do not manage to make it to the factory or to a store that has a truly representative sampling of components. In fact, I am not convinced there IS a store that has ALL the bells, ALL the slides, ALL the leadpipes, valves and tuning slides offered by Shires. Is there? S. > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: sabutin >Reply-To: sabutin >Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:29:28 -0500 > > >>--- sabutin wrote: > > Now with Shires horns I have just picked up > >bells and played them until I found the one I > >most liked (usually soldered), but most people do > >not have that advantage and instead have to > >preorder. > > >____________________________________________________________ >Free 20 MB Bannerless Domain Hosting, 1000 MB Data Transfer >10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and more. >Get It Now At Doteasy.com http://www.doteasy.com/et/ Sam Burtis is a NYC freelance trombonist and composer, the author of "The American Trombone" and proud proprietor of The Trombone Store in NYC. Visit us on the web at and/or , email us at , or call us at [718] 796-4413. The actual store in NYC is by appointment only. PLEASE VISIT THE OPEN HORN,A WEB FORUM Lots of interesting discussions going on every day. An introduction to the site is available at -- Sam Burtis is a NYC freelance trombonist and composer, the author of "The American Trombone" and proud proprietor of The Trombone Store in NYC. Visit us on the web at and/or , email us at , or call us at [718] 796-4413. The actual store in NYC is by appointment only. PLEASE VISIT THE OPEN HORN,A WEB FORUM Lots of interesting discussions going on every day. An introduction to the site is available at ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 18:07:38 +0000 From: Daniel Pliskin Subject: Re: Scales for the New Year >The point is: if you want to be a great player, >know your scales. And not just major/minor scales. Know Dorian, >Whole-tone, Mixo too. At least. I started playing guitar at age four and spend most of my first, extended childhood playing professionally. A friend of mine asked me how I learned all of my scales on guitar. Then he waxed on about how the music he plays goes from Ionian to mixolydian, to frigian, to· At some point, I glazed over. Can it really be that people analyze a tune to that depth, before they can jam along with it? If so, how do people play tunes that are called out, on the fly? Now, Iâm not saying that one can get by without being able to hear the different modes, without being able to tell that a major third will or will not sound good at this point of that, but why take that to jumping into a different mode. Why not just adjust the mode youâre playing, to include the changes? What I worked on, on guitar, was only major scales. And up the neck of a guitar, there are only seven of them. If you start any place else, you ultimately need to move your hand to catch a note, and that puts you back into one of the seven scales. But my point isnât to rant on about practicing guitar. My point is that there are two functions, of playing scales. One is to familiarize yourself with the trombone. The other is to stretch your ear. By all means, play scales in all the modes, to stretch your ear. But donât expect that youâre going to know what mode youâre supposed to be in, at every point in a chart. By the time youâve figured out that itâs a five of five and not a modulation or a chromatic passing tone, those changes will be long gone. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 11:06:56 -0800 From: Dale Cruse Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [TBN-L] Rims-soldered or unsoldered. What is thedifference? Sam, Thanks for clarifying. No, there is currently no store that has every single possible Shires offering in stock at once. We recently determined that we currently offer something in the neighborhood of 200+ possible bells. We think it would be exceeding expensive (not to mention confusing) to have every single option available at one time. Then again, does any shop have EVERY option of any brand in stock at all times? Is there any shop that has EVERY Bach or Conn or Yamaha trombone in stock? For that matter, is there a dealership that has every Ferrari in every color with every option in stock? I don't want to steer this conversation completely away from its topic and I apologize if I have done so. The general tendencies of soldered or unsoldered bell rims that we have experienced is what Gabe Langfur put together for the Shires website. Dale Cruse www.seshires.com Quality without compromise. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: sabutin Reply-To: sabutin Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 12:40:52 -0500 >>Sam, are you saying that "most people" purchase our horns without >>ever having played them? If so, I have to take exception to that. >> >>If that's not what you're saying, could you please clarify? >> >>Thanks and happy new year one and all. >> >>Dale Cruse >>Director of Sales >>S.E. Shires > > >======== > > No. > > But most people do not manage to make it to the factory or to a >store that has a truly representative sampling of components. In >fact, I am not convinced there IS a store that has ALL the bells, ALL >the slides, ALL the leadpipes, valves and tuning slides offered by >Shires. > > Is there? > > S. > >> >>---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >>From: sabutin >>Reply-To: sabutin >>Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:29:28 -0500 >> >> >>--- sabutin wrote: >> > Now with Shires horns I have just picked up >> >bells and played them until I found the one I >> >most liked (usually soldered), but most people do >> >not have that advantage and instead have to >> >preorder. >> >> >>____________________________________________________________ >>Free 20 MB Bannerless Domain Hosting, 1000 MB Data Transfer >>10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and more. >>Get It Now At Doteasy.com http://www.doteasy.com/et/ > > >Sam Burtis is a NYC freelance trombonist and composer, the author of >"The American Trombone" and proud proprietor of The Trombone Store in >NYC. Visit us on the web at and/or >, email us at , >or call us at [718] 796-4413. The actual store in NYC is by >appointment only. > > PLEASE VISIT THE OPEN HORN,A WEB FORUM > Lots of interesting discussions going on every day. > An introduction to the site is available at > > > >-- >Sam Burtis is a NYC freelance trombonist and composer, the author of >"The American Trombone" and proud proprietor of The Trombone Store in >NYC. Visit us on the web at and/or >, email us at , >or call us at [718] 796-4413. The actual store in NYC is by >appointment only. > > PLEASE VISIT THE OPEN HORN,A WEB FORUM > Lots of interesting discussions going on every day. > An introduction to the site is available at > > ____________________________________________________________ Free 20 MB Bannerless Domain Hosting, 1000 MB Data Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and more. Get It Now At Doteasy.com http://www.doteasy.com/et/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 13:45:58 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess Subject: Re: Gear: Virtual Rhythm Section for Bonetet >Accomplished trombone quartet has a nice library of jazz arrangements with >rhythm accompanyment. Wants to add virtual rhythm section to its shows - >drums kicking, bass walking, piano and guitar comping - all from a laptop >through portable-yet-professional-sounding system. > >Anybody experienced with the hardware/software necessary to set up such a >capability? Needs to be relatively easy to learn, affordable, >customizable, etc. > >yours, > >Mark Lewis >Oceanside, CA. ===== Mac or PC??? There are a number of FREE midi players out there. You can visit Gary Wachtel's wonderful midi site for more info. A "dogpile.com" search for Gary Wachtel, or Gary Wooo should get you there. Once you have a MIDI player, then you'll need the MIDI files. This can be accomplished using a notation program, and Finale 2004 has WONDERFUL playback capabilities. Sibelius can't touch it. In fact, from Finale 2004, you wouldn't even NEED to play the files from MIDI format. Finale 2004 will allow you to save your files as WAV files, and you would then be able to have CD accompaniment tracks. That would be much easier to deal with, yes? More conventional, to be sure. Let me know what you come up with. Sincerely, Wayne Dyess -- ========================= Dr. J. Wayne Dyess, Professor of Music Lamar University Music Department P. O. Box 10044 Beaumont, Texas 77710 409-880-8146 FAX: 409-880-8143 dyessjw@hal.lamar.edu http://www.lamar.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 13:50:24 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess Subject: Re: Gear: Virtual Rhythm Section for Bonetet >>Anybody experienced with the hardware/software necessary to set up such a >>capability? Needs to be relatively easy to learn, affordable, >>customizable, etc. ------------------ Eric Swanson replied: >I would highly recommend Band-in-a-Box. It's really easy to learn, and >I think you could program the rhythm tracks to conform to your >arrangements. I'm thinking of doing the same myself. I've been using >the program to practice improvisation for over 10 years, and it's great. >Cheap too. ========= This is an EXCELLENT choice. Better than my previous suggestion of Finale 2004 and WAV files. BIAB will save as MIDI files for playback, and you can also print out the rhythm parts in notation form should you ever find the need for that sort of thing. Easy to learn, too! Wayne Dyess -- ========================= Dr. J. Wayne Dyess, Professor of Music Lamar University Music Department P. O. Box 10044 Beaumont, Texas 77710 409-880-8146 FAX: 409-880-8143 dyessjw@hal.lamar.edu http://www.lamar.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 20:28:01 -0000 From: Adrian Drover Subject: Re: Scales for the New Year From: "Daniel Pliskin" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By all means, play scales in all the modes, to stretch your ear. But don't expect that you're going to know what mode you're supposed to be in, at every point in a chart. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree. When you play notes on the IV chord, are you in Lydian mode or simply playing Major mode harmonized by IV? Does it really matter? Sounds the same whatever. I bet a lot of guys get frightened off by modes. A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 16:40:15 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess Subject: Re: NAVY BRASS QUINTET >The Navy Brass Quintet playing hymns live on Face the Nation right now. > >No tuba - bass trombone Grump. What do THEY know? Ha. Navy Band 1971-1975 Wayne (Just kidding on the grump thing) -- ========================= Dr. J. Wayne Dyess, Professor of Music Lamar University Music Department P. O. Box 10044 Beaumont, Texas 77710 409-880-8146 FAX: 409-880-8143 dyessjw@hal.lamar.edu http://www.lamar.edu -- ========================= Dr. J. Wayne Dyess, Professor of Music Lamar University Music Department P. O. Box 10044 Beaumont, Texas 77710 409-880-8146 FAX: 409-880-8143 dyessjw@hal.lamar.edu http://www.lamar.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 21:29:40 -0700 From: Eric Edwards Subject: Happy New Year Happy New Year Everyone! I hope you all had successful and enjoyable gigs and or celebrations with friends & loved ones. Here's to a great Year!!! Eric Eric, Leandra, Sara & Jared Edwards bonearzt@cox.net "Just shut up and play!" ------------------------------ End of TROMBONE-L Digest - 31 Dec 2003 to 1 Jan 2004 (#2004-2) **************************************************************