Subject: TROMBONE-L Digest - 4 Apr 2003 to 5 Apr 2003 (#2003-94) Date: Sunday, April 6, 2003 1:00 AM From: Automatic digest processor Reply-To: "Trombones and related issues forum." To: Recipients of TROMBONE-L digests There are 10 messages totalling 362 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Internal Time (6) 2. Doug Elliott 103 rim Wanted!!! 3. Reminder L.A. Listers - Boneyard Event 4. Summit Brass - Rafael Mendez Institute 5. 16M///////10h question -at bottom ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 12:30:10 +0100 From: Adrian Drover Subject: Re: Internal Time From: "James O'Briant" > Whether you're looking for a substitute for tapping your foot, or a > substitute for "marching in place," the solution is the same. Instead > of moving your entire leg or entire foot, just wiggle your big toe > inside your shoe. It's silent, it's quiet, and you still get the > physical sensation of moving in rhythm. What if you have a squeaky shoe? A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 06:20:32 -0600 From: Chris Waage Subject: Re: Internal Time On 4/5/03 5:30 AM, "Adrian Drover" smote the keyboard with: > From: "James O'Briant" > >> Whether you're looking for a substitute for tapping your foot, or a >> substitute for "marching in place," the solution is the same. Instead >> of moving your entire leg or entire foot, just wiggle your big toe >> inside your shoe. It's silent, it's quiet, and you still get the >> physical sensation of moving in rhythm. > > > What if you have a squeaky shoe? > Then you might inspire the next Spike Jones. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 09:27:18 -0500 From: Harlan Feinstein Subject: Re: Internal Time Adrian> What if you have a squeaky shoe? Play shoeless? :-) --Harlan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 09:53:42 -0600 From: John Jenkins Subject: Doug Elliott 103 rim Wanted!!! Hello all! Does anyone have a Doug Elliott #103 rim they would be willing to part with at a reasonable price? If so, please let me know. Rim material (metal, lexan, etc.) isn't an issue. Thanks a lot! John J. Jenkins (478) 301-5701 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 11:33:48 -0500 From: DSlide13@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Internal Time I was just having a detailed conversation with a student about time. He has the same issue. When he's playing something difficult, he can no longer tap his foot, or his foot mirrors the rhythm he's playing and both are off. I tried to talk to him about subdivision of the beat. I recommended that he thought about the subdivisions as letters of the alphabet. In a difficult passage, if he could keep sixteenth notes running through his head, then he would always know where the passage lined up. I imagine it as a sort of rhythmic phonics. Just as understanding the sound that each letter makes helps us to read words and sentences, dissecting the beat in our mind can make complex rhythmic figures more accessible. The trick is to practice slow and steady. I think Sam wrote something recently about that. I think he said that you have to teach your muscles the proper order for all the actions required. It's similar to playing drum set, or matching your hands up on the piano. Now, you can think of your foot as another part of your instrument. Take it slowly. DG In a message dated 4/4/2003 8:55:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, bass_trombonist@BECKLEYWEB.COM writes: > Hello all, > > I've been working on improving my internal time on difficult passages. I find that I am not coordinated enough to tap my foot (in time) and play these difficult, fast passages at the same time. However, marking time (a la marching band) worked wonders, and I kept great time when I did that. > > Does anyone have an idea of how to translate this to another method, so as to avoid looking ridiculous? (And I did try marking time sitting down... it only works standing up... > maybe my chair is too short?) > > Thanks, > Danny Beckley > bass_trombonist@beckleyweb.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 09:39:29 -0800 From: Chris Tune Subject: Reminder L.A. Listers - Boneyard Event Just a reminder that April 26th is the annual Boneyard event. Normally this event is on the Sunday after Easter, but John Sandhagen has a gig that day so it's been moved up to Saturday. There will be outdoor cooking, plenty of instruments, mouthpieces and accessories. We will be playing trombone ensemble music and just having a great time. If you haven't been before you really should hang out there some. If you have been to one of these you know what I'm talking about. There is usually also a surprise pro guest. Last year Phil Teele was there. If you have a bunch of gear you are trying to unload you will undoubtedly want to bring a little card table and your stuff. Hosts: John Sandhagen (his house and workshop is the site), Steve Ferguson (he brings a lot of his inventory for bonists to examine, buy etc.) Saturday April 26, 2003 1:00pm to 5:00pm 524 E. Bishop Pl. Claremont, CA 91711 John Sandhagen (909) 626-2796 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 14:17:50 -0500 From: clenthe Subject: Summit Brass - Rafael Mendez Institute After a one-year hiatus, Summit Brass will once again host the Rafael Mendez Brass Institute! From June 8th to 14th, the entire Summit Brass ensemble will be at the University of Colorado in Boulder for a week of teaching, coaching, career seminars, playing, and more. As one who has been on the faculty for the past five years, I can assure you that this is a truly unique opportunity to surround yourself with some of the finest brass playing in the country. A temporary website has been launched to handle the initial information and registration: http://spot.colorado.edu/~stanleyw/RMBI.htm Whether you are a student, teacher, amateur, or professional, this institute has something for you. I look forward to seeing many of you (again) at the institute! Please feel free to forward this email to your brass buddies! Regards, Carl Lenthe, Professor Indiana University School of Music (812) 855-2828 www.indiana.edu/~trombone/StudioLenthe.htm The Rafael Mendez Brass Institute is now considered to be the foremost annual performance and career development seminar for aspiring brass musicians. Participants include advanced high school students, college music majors, young professionals, and serious amateurs of all ages. A wide variety of performance outlets are offered during the week including large and small ensemble experiences, daily masterclass participation, orchestral reading sessions, mock auditions and others, all taught by members of Summit Brass and College of Music faculty. A distinctive feature of the Institute is its emphasis on career development. Daily seminars will be devoted to unique topics of concern for developing brass musicians. Horns Thomas Bacon - Principal Horn Houston Grand Opera; horn soloist David Krehbiel - formerly Principal Horn San Francisco Symphony Martin Hackelman - Principal Horn National Symphony Orchestra Gail Williams - Professor of Horn Northwestern University Trumpets Allan Dean - Professor of Trumpet Yale University; Saint Louis Brass Quintet David Hickman - Regent's Professor, Arizona State University, trumpet soloist Jens Lindemann - Professor of Trumpet UCLA; formerly Canadian Brass Allen Vizzutti - classical and jazz trumpet soloist, recording artist, educator Trombones Carl Lenthe - Professor of Trombone Indiana University Milton Stevens - Principal Trombone National Symphony Orchestra Larry Zalkind - Principal Trombone Utah Symphony Orchestra John Lofton - Bass Trombone Phoenix Symphony Euphonium/Tubas Brian Bowman - Professor of Euphonium University of North Texas Daniel Perantoni - Professor of Tuba Indiana University; tuba soloist Harvey Phillips - Distinguished Professor Emeritus Indiana University; tuba soloist Samuel Pilafian - Professor of Tuba Arizona State University; tuba soloist Questions? Further Information? Contact: Mike Allen Michael.Allen@Colorado.edu or Bill Stanley William.Stanley@Colorado.edu Interested exhibitors please contact: Terry Sawchuk Terry.Sawchuk@Colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 14:33:29 -0400 From: sabutin Subject: Re: Internal Time Hi all..., Far a lengthy and admittedly rather discursive look at this whole internal time idea, please check out two articles I have written. They are on my website. Go to , click on "Philosophy of music ", and read "Conceptual approach: More On Time and Timing Considerations" and "Practice tactics: Attacks, Embouchure, the Tongue and Good Time". Later... S. P.S. This whole idea of tapping feet being undesirable in ensembles is absurd. If the music is that quiet (or your feet are so big and the music so weak that they tend to distract the audience)...just wiggle your toes!!! LORD !!!! -- (Sam Burtis is a NYC freelance trombonist and composer, the author of "The American Trombone" and proud proprietor of The Trombone Store in NYC, featuring only the finest new and used lower brass instruments and accessories. Visit us on the web at and/or , email us at , or call us at [718] 796-4413. The actual store in NYC is by appointment only.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 04:15:50 +0000 From: Daniel Pliskin Subject: Re: Internal Time > P.S. This whole idea of tapping feet being undesirable in ensembles >is absurd. If the music is that quiet (or your feet are so big and >the music so weak that they tend to distract the audience)...just >wiggle your toes!!! > > LORD !!!! Perhaps the music is so boring that tapping oneÕs foot, could be a distraction. But if you donÕt sit in the front row, whoÕs going to know? And why would they have the trombones playing if the music was that quiet? DanP _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 00:00:35 -0600 From: "D.J. Kennedy" Subject: 16M///////10h question -at bottom hey ----i bruce picked up the 2222bbbbb from chris and tried to play t in big band -he is really used to a conn connstellation and he had trouble getting it to tune for him --we were playing today -the slide is fantastic and very open - i also got a 2b from hary koz that has that narrow brass ring around receiver --i picked up an anniversary 2bss -which doesnt have that brass topped leadpipe -slightly less open more back pressure - the 1940 silvertone plays closer to your horn than the anniversary i am enjoying that bach 12 too --the bell is good --and brass outer is super solid tone wise --- ======================================================== -----hey i got a question about a conn 10h -in 400.000s len benedict -got from you -i got it the slide QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ the top cork barrels are stamped w serial -- outer does not have nickle ferrules -looks mostly like conn director outer all brass brass bow --a funny looking spit key saddle-- no serial or model no stamped on outer slide -no extra ring at top of outers outer looks almost identical to director outer in 700.000 s -except slide crossbar is thinner than 6h 4h 12h it does not look kosher ????????????help !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! im having trouble identifying this slide !!!!!!!!!!!! Bill Hamilton wrote: > Dj, > Hey bro`.Just wanted to let you know that I sent the > money for the 16M today.$550.00.Both tha Lt12 and 16M > slides are on repair at the moment.I`ll let you know > how they turn out.Please let me know when the money > arrives.Please also let me know when the sterling 2b > arrives.Hope all is cool on your end.Stay cool.Bill > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of TROMBONE-L Digest - 4 Apr 2003 to 5 Apr 2003 (#2003-94) **************************************************************