Subject: TROMBONE-L Digest - 7 Mar 2003 to 8 Mar 2003 (#2003-67) Date: Sunday, March 9, 2003 12:00 AM From: Automatic digest processor Reply-To: "Trombones and related issues forum." To: Recipients of TROMBONE-L digests There are 15 messages totalling 555 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Name that bass trombone player 2. Anyone know anything about Josef Dotzauer or Adolf Egger trombones? 3. King 4B F-trigger help (2) 4. facial hair 5. Unusual bass trombone recording (3) 6. Houston Symphony to Strike 7. FYI Houston Symphony 8. Another FYI Site 9. Musicians of the Houston Symphony Web Site 10. making a practice mute 11. Boulder Philharmomic Troubles 12. Fennell Concert - Lessons Learned ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 11:11:05 -0000 From: Adrian Drover Subject: Re: Name that bass trombone player From: "Edward Solomon" > >> Who played bass trombone on the Linda Ronstadt/Nelson Riddle recordings? > Could it have been George Roberts? << > > Nope. It was Christopher Riddle (Nelson Riddle's son), if I remember > correctly. I believe that is correct. A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 08:47:02 -0400 From: sabutin Subject: Anyone know anything about Josef Dotzauer or Adolf Egger trombones? Hi all... I ran across references to these brands on the Antique Sound Workshop website. () Anyone know anything about Josef Dotzauer or Adolf Egger trombones? They make replicas of older horns, but apparently make contemporary instruments too. There's interesting info all over the website, by the way. Check out the take on the development of trumpets and trombones in the 16th + 17th centuries on . Later... Sam -- (Sam Burtis is a NYC freelance trombonist and composer, the author of "The American Trombone" and proud proprietor of The Trombone Store in NYC, featuring only the finest new and used lower brass instruments and accessories. Visit us on the web at and/or , email us at , or call us at [718] 796-4413. The actual store in NYC is by appointment only.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 08:38:37 -0600 From: Pat & Jo McFarland Subject: Re: King 4B F-trigger help Bob, Speaking of Conn... just trade the 4B in for an 88H. Problem solved. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas B. Cox" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [TBN-L] King 4B F-trigger help > Y'all, > I've seen some different King horns of various vintages. The older (pre 70's > or so) ones all have mechanical linkages. I actually think that the design > of those mechanical ones is pretty good except for those with smaller hands > like Bob. For me, it works just fine. The 70's-vintage ones have a string > linkage that pulls diagonally like the mechanical one did. These have all > metal parts (except the string of course). The 80's and newer ones have the > same basic string linkage except with a plastic arm. In my opinion, they > ruined a fine linkage when they added the string. It made it much more > complicated, less efficient, and really difficult (compared to the Conn-style > string linkage) to re-string. Just my opinion. Your mileage may vary. > > -Thomas B. Cox > University of Alabama/ Carrollton, GA (home) > > > > Eric, > > I'm not aware of a 4B having a string linkage, but I could be wrong. This > one > is a mechanical linkage. The trigger is thumb piece and the arm that reaches > across the bell side of the rotor is all one piece. It then attaches to a > small white plastic piece, which is pretty small already. If this white > piece > were smaller, that in effect would solve the problem. I have the horn in the > shop currently for another issue, but when I pick it up, I'll ask them if > they > know of anything that can be done. > > Bob > > rkeilitz@ATT.NET wrote: > > > > > I recently purchased a 4B, which was reconditioned. ... The problem I > have is > > > with > > > the F-attachment trigger. > > > > > > It seems that if I were able to do one of two things, that the problem > would > > > be alleviated. First, if I could move the thumb contact point with the > > trigger > > > to a position of 11:00 or 10:00, this would greatly help. I envision > that > > this > > > could be done by either bending the trigger itself (which I really don’t > want > > > to do), or by placing something on the thumb press which would in effect > move > > > the contact point back sufficiently. Things come to mind such as > layering > > > tape, or using the black foam that came with an Edwards Bullet Brace over > the > > > thumb press. > > > > It sounds like you're wanting to raise the hieght of the trigger lever, is > that > > right? Doesn't this horn have a string trigger linkage? If so, then it is > > adjustable already. Loosen the screw that holds the string to the stop arm > on > > the > > valve. Move the trigger to the desired height (the string will slide > around the > > screw if the correct screw is loosened) and then tighten the screw back up > when > > you have the trigger where you want it. Try it, it's not difficult at > all. If > > this horn doesn't have string linkage, then I'm mistaken. A good repair > > technician should be able to bend it for you if necessary. > > > > Eric Swanson > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 15:27:41 -0500 From: Dave Burch Subject: Re: facial hair I've read all posts in this thread, and so far everyone seems to think that facial hair either helps or hurts their playing. After going barefaced my entire life, I grew a full beard and mustache this winter. The only affect it has on my playing is the annoyance of getting my "soul patch" hairs bent backward under the rim. I have to be more careful placing the mouthpiece to prevent such annoyance. That's all the difference I can tell. Dave Burch Mt. Auburn Brass Fellowship Hamilton-Fairfield Symphony Orchestra (Ohio) After Hours Big Band "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 16:27:55 -0500 From: Dave Burch Subject: Unusual bass trombone recording I often eat breakfast at Panera Bread (Where else can you can get a filling breakfast free of fried animal parts for 3 bucks?), and have noted that the classical music they play in the background includes a LOT of good brass music. I often recognize numbers from my Canadian Brass and Empire Brass albums. The other day, I heard something I thought to be really uncommon. It was a piece I did not recognize, but might have been by Gabrieli or another composer of the Italian baroque. The solo instrument was unmistakably a bass trombone, accompanied by a string orchestra and an organ. Given this recording's unusual instrumentation, I'm betting that someone on the list might be able to give me a lead on who dunnit. Thanks, Dave Burch Mt. Auburn Brass Fellowship Hamilton-Fairfield Symphony Orchestra (Ohio) After Hours Big Band "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 18:03:57 -0500 From: Steve Beck Subject: Re: Unusual bass trombone recording From: "Dave Burch" > I often eat breakfast at Panera Bread (Where else can you can get a filling > breakfast free of fried animal parts for 3 bucks?), my front lawn? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 18:15:03 -0500 From: Dave Burch Subject: Re: Unusual bass trombone recording Steve, Would that be *all I can eat* for 3 bucks? Dave Burch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Beck" To: "Dave Burch" ; Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [TBN-L] Unusual bass trombone recording > From: "Dave Burch" > > I often eat breakfast at Panera Bread (Where else can you can get a > filling > > breakfast free of fried animal parts for 3 bucks?), > > my front lawn? > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 18:07:14 -0600 From: Bart Roberts Subject: Houston Symphony to Strike Hello All, As of the 6 O'clock news here in Houston it's sad to say that things don't look good for the Houston Symphony. It's sad because after living in Houston for only 6 months I've only been able to see the Orchestra 4 times. So as of Midnight Central time it looks like the Orchestra Musicians will be on strike. I hope they can get this thing straightened out. A sad trombonist in Houston. Bart Roberts ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 18:08:25 -0600 From: Bart Roberts Subject: FYI Houston Symphony Hello All, Here are some more details regarding the situation for those that are interested. I agree with the musicians on this one for sure!!! http://www.houstonsymphony.org/press_release.jsp?catid=105&contid=49 Bart Roberts ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 18:10:15 -0600 From: Bart Roberts Subject: Another FYI Site Here is the one the musicians put together for the trustees. Lots of interesting and depressing information. http://www.upbeat.org/trustees/index1.php Bart Roberts Houston, Texas ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 18:14:07 -0600 From: Bart Roberts Subject: Musicians of the Houston Symphony Web Site Here's a web site that I think will interest you. It contains information about many of the issues facing the world-class status of the Houston Symphony. The URL is www.upbeat.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 00:44:47 +0000 From: Daniel Pliskin Subject: making a practice mute About a month ago, I was fiddling with making a practice mute. I looked at my Wallace practice mute which sounds great and offers very little restriction. But it weighs too much. And that weight makes it hard to use for an extended period of time. And I checked out a Renuzit practice mute, which weighs practically nothing, but is quite restrictive and alters the tromboneÕs response, considerably. What they both had in common was that they both sealed all the air around the bell, they both had a sealed chamber and they both had a long thin port at the end. I made my new practice mute out of a 17 fluid ounce Calistoga water bottle (any soda bottle will do, I suppose), some pipe insulation over where the screw cap had been, with a hole drilled into the end and a soda straw glued into that hole. ItÕs light. ItÕs quiet. And it only restricts the trombone when I try to play pedals. IÕve made several of them, now. I even made a couple with extra fat straws, and they work well for pedals, too. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 20:21:01 -0700 From: David Oliver Subject: Boulder Philharmomic Troubles I've been following the trials of another Colorado symphony, the Boulder Philharmonic. The parent organization (Peak Association of the Arts) is having a tough time financially. Here's a newspaper link with some info: http://dailycamera.com/bdc/city_news/article/0,1713,BDC_2422_1789279,00.html I believe that the Colorado Springs Symphony has canceled the remainder of the season. I sure hope the Colorado Symphony stays healthy. According to the Denver Post, the indications are that Colorado could head into a "double dip" recession from many indicators. David Oliver Broomfield, Colorado USA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 04:05:15 +0000 From: rkeilitz@ATT.NET Subject: Re: King 4B F-trigger help I want to thank everyone for their ideas on how to go about applying a remedy to my problem. Some really great ideas. Yes, I believe my King 4b is an older horn, obviously pre-70's from what I've read. The 5B I owned briefly was a '60s vintage, and had the same linkage. If I could get them to put on a string linkage, that would be sweet, as I tend to like them more. But before I go that route, I'll experiment a bit with some different hand positions in holding the horn. Yes, my horn has the big "King-ring" on the slide, so I'm going to try a different approach that was suggested. Thanks again to everyone who pitched in with suggestions and information. Bob > On my King 3B-F, I found it helpful to change the left hand grip from the > 1-1-3 distribution of fingers to the 1-2-2 arrangement described on Doug > Yeo's website. > http://www.yeodoug.com/resources/faq/faq_text/tension.html > > I believe someone else already posted this idea among other suggestions; I > just wanted to second the idea, since it helped me. > > ~David Leep > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:20 PM > Subject: [TBN-L] King 4B F-trigger help > > > > This is primarily for those who have had experience with the King > trombones > > with F-attachments. I don't know if the 3B has this design flaw or not. > My > > experience has been with the 4B and 5B. I'll try to explain the problem > I'm > > having in a way that is understandable. > > > > I recently purchased a 4B, which was reconditioned. A very nice job was > done > > on this horn by Taylor Music (www.1800bandusa.com). The problem I have is > with > > the F-attachment trigger. I have smallish hands, which makes for a > difficult > > time working the F-attachment trigger effectively. I find that if I hold > the > > horn so that it is correctly supported with my left hand, working the F- > > trigger causes my thumb to press against the bell support between the > knuckle > > and the thumb joint. This is fairly uncomfortable. The problem lies in > that > > King places the pivot for the trigger behind the bell support, forcing the > > player to bring the thumb around the bell support to work the trigger. > When I > > come to a section of music that calls for use of the trigger, especially a > part > > with a lot of trigger work, then I actually have to reposition my hand a > bit in > > order to allow for this. Then, the horn is not supported as well as I'd > > like. As I stated earlier, those with experience with King trombones of > this > > nature will know EXACTLY what I'm talking about.... > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 21:25:36 -0700 From: David Oliver Subject: Fennell Concert - Lessons Learned OK, the dust has settled and I'm ready to post some "lessons learned" about trying to have Frederick Fennell guest conduct the Denver Concert Band two years in a row. I want to send this to the trombone list types as well, as I know that many are also in community bands and orchestras. I've been on both lists now for over 5 years. I think this applies to many situations. For the last two years each February, the Denver Concert Band has lined up Frederick Fennell to guest conduct the DCB. Both times, Maestro Fennell (now 88) has ended up in the hospital with one week of the concert. The very good news is that he ended up recovering both times, but the bad news is that we had to deal with a last minute change both times after extensive "Fennell" marketing. This time, the same person who'd talked to Frederick Fennell about conducting was able to get Arnald Gabriel to fill in with essentially one day notice. We were all thrilled about that and I heard it went great (I was too ill to play). The Lesson? I think we probably made a mistake in not having a fall back plan in place in case an elderly guest conductor had health (or other) problems preventing his trip. This would really apply in any situation like this, but is compounded by age. Both times there was a bit of a scramble to figure out what to do, but I must say that this time it worked out well in the end. I would *love* to have met Fennell, but I would not be comfortable trying to setup yet a 3rd "Fennell" concert and have something else happen. It's not fair to our audience. The odds of it happening two years in a row in almost identical fashion seem quite amazing, but he's also 88 now and will be 89 next year. Without rambling on too much longer, the main point is to have that back-up plan for a guest conductor situation.. Try to have someone of similar stature in your back pocket just in case - the closer that person is the better. This is more difficult in the case of a guest artist, but it wouldn't hurt to think over the options here as well. Health problems (or other issues) can also occur when you aren't 88 years old. As marketing chair, it wasn't a good feeling to realize that all the mailing list flyers (and others), newspaper articles, newspaper ad, website, and radio spots on Denver public radio were focused on someone who wouldn't be there the day we expected him. With two days notice, only a small update could be put in the paper and I re-emailed everyone I could (the website also was changed). I wasn't marketing chair last year, but this made two years in a row. I don't want to experience that again, and hopefully this e-mail will aid in piece of mind for others if something similar happens. David Oliver Broomfield, Colorado USA Trombone, Denver Concert Band http://www.denverconcertband.org (marketing chair, secretary, etc.) ------------------------------ End of TROMBONE-L Digest - 7 Mar 2003 to 8 Mar 2003 (#2003-67) **************************************************************