Subject: TROMBONE-L Digest - 28 Feb 2003 to 1 Mar 2003 (#2003-60) Date: Sunday, March 2, 2003 12:00 AM From: Automatic digest processor Reply-To: "Trombones and related issues forum." To: Recipients of TROMBONE-L digests There are 26 messages totalling 1114 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. American trombone Concertos with Wind Band (10) 2. The Trombonist Online Forum 3. Reynolds Question (3) 4. more about diversity and the ita//itf 5. mpc advice -- euph to t-bone (3) 6. New Yeo FAQ on piracy/copyrights 7. Schilke trombones??? (2) 8. Schilke Trombones?? (2) 9. Schilke Trombones (2) 10. Woody Herman Band In Dayton! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:38:03 +0800 From: Fredi trombone Subject: American trombone Concertos with Wind Band I have been asked to perform a trombone concerto in an all American Music program. I'm out here in Singapore and have no idea where to start. I hope some of you guys could give me some suggestions. It shouldn't be too simple and could be as difficult as it gets. I think the band would be able to handle quite a difficult part too. The only one I can think of would be Schullers "Eine Kleine Posaunen Musik", but I want to make some more suggestions than that. Any help would be appreciated. In case I bug you guys with a subject that has been talked about I'm sorry, I just joined the list a couple of days ago. Fredi Singapore Symphony Orchestra Nanyang Academy of Fine Arts ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 00:12:13 -0700 From: James Scott Subject: Re: American trombone Concertos with Wind Band Fredi - It's not a Concerto, but "Colloquy" (sp.?) by Goldstein is a nice piece for trombone and band or wind ensemble. There are some good recordings by Ron Barron of the Boston Symphony, and Joseph Alessi of the New York Philharmonic. Jim Scott Fredi trombone wrote: >I have been asked to perform a trombone concerto in an all American >Music program. >I'm out here in Singapore and have no idea where to start. I hope some >of you guys could give me some suggestions. >It shouldn't be too simple and could be as difficult as it gets. I think >the band would be able to handle quite a difficult part too. The only >one I can think of would be Schullers "Eine Kleine Posaunen Musik", but >I want to make some more suggestions than that. >Any help would be appreciated. >In case I bug you guys with a subject that has been talked about I'm >sorry, I just joined the list a couple of days ago. > >Fredi >Singapore Symphony Orchestra >Nanyang Academy of Fine Arts > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 03:48:15 -0500 From: JB Subject: Re: American trombone Concertos with Wind Band If you look at Brett Baker's CD, "Bone Idyll", he performs quite a = selection of pieces for Trombone and Wind Ensemble. The obvious choice would be = the Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto, as that was originally composed to be = performed with band, but on that CD, Brett plays, for example, an arrangement of Saint-Saens Cavatine, a piece that I personally am very fond of. While I will not comment on the playing on said CD, the artist might be someone = you could contact to find information about other such pieces. John B. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 09:47:03 -0000 From: Edward Solomon Subject: The Trombonist Online Forum Hi Listers. Just a brief note to let you know that I've just finished upgrading the Forum on the BTS website. Hope some of you will drop in and pay us a visit! Cheers, Ed. __________________________________________ Edward Solomon British Trombone Society Webmaster mailto:webmaster@trombone-society.org.uk Visit "The Trombonist Online" - the online magazine of the British Trombone Society http://www.trombone-society.org.uk __________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 07:26:24 -0500 From: retiredprof55 Subject: Re: American trombone Concertos with Wind Band Fredi, Here are two suggestions, one composed by myself and the other arranged by myself: Bachburg Concerto No. 4 (1984) - This fast, slow, fast single movement concerto explores the lyrical and technical capabilities of the trombone. Written in the composer's free modal style, the rhythmic outer sections contrast with the songlike center section. The last section contains many meter changes. Duration: 15:00 Grade 4 $50.00 available from http://cooppress.hostrack.net Bozza - Ballade for Trombone and Band - This arrangement of this popular solo with piano accompaniment was performed at the 1997 Eastern Trombone Workshop. The arrangement was approved by Bozza and Leduc and is available through Theodore Presser Co, for a rental fee of $75.00. I hope this helps. Sy Brandon Fredi trombone wrote: > I have been asked to perform a trombone concerto in an all American > Music program. > I'm out here in Singapore and have no idea where to start. I hope some > of you guys could give me some suggestions. > It shouldn't be too simple and could be as difficult as it gets. I think > the band would be able to handle quite a difficult part too. The only > one I can think of would be Schullers "Eine Kleine Posaunen Musik", but > I want to make some more suggestions than that. > Any help would be appreciated. > In case I bug you guys with a subject that has been talked about I'm > sorry, I just joined the list a couple of days ago. > > Fredi > Singapore Symphony Orchestra > Nanyang Academy of Fine Arts > -- http://cooppress.hostrack.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 08:11:43 EST From: BITEensemble@AOL.COM Subject: Re: American trombone Concertos with Wind Band Hey Fredi! Yup, Colloquy is a great piece! I know Larry has it (and has the band parts) if you wanted to check it out. I did this on my last conservatory recital, it is quite fun but the last page of the solo is a bit confused. When I did I was thinking of Mike Davis' quasi jazz/rock style which you will understand when you see the score. The are no recordings that I know of which present the piece in its best light as far as the last page goes. Most people play the notes and it comes out confused as hell. However, Larry just did it with Scott Hartman playing the solo. Wow! He really got it! When I heard him play it, the piece went from being mediocre to being great! Scotty really has the ability to bring out the best in music ;-) If you are thinking of this for a recital, I arrange the piece for solo trombone and eight trombones, which is how I performed it on my recital. I have that recording as well. It features me on the solo with Mark Cantrell, Steve Cooley, Pete Cirelli, Ron Barron, Bron Wright, Alexei Doohovskoy, John Faieta and Anthony Hudson as the trombone group -- very fun! I also have an arrangement which I did with that group called La Vasija de Barro. I also expanded this for the Boston Pops' Latin concerts, but they have not used it yet so it is unpublished. I could easily modify that arrangement for whatever you need. It is slow (about death) and the solo lies in the trigger register. Mark later played it with BITE! on bass trombone. It is a great piece if I do say so. The recordings I have feature Ron and me on altos which is really quite gorgeous. I have one take of it where he and I exchange some hilarious clams if you want as well ;-) The Martin exists in the format you are looking for as well. I am sure you know this one - great piece. Also, pretty much any Pryor solo (Blue Bells and company). My other suggestion is that I can arrange pretty much whatever you want given your deadline is not tomorrow and we can work out whatever copyright issue come up. Later, Wes Wesley Hopper Trombone, Triton Brass Quintet Adjunct Professor of Trombone, Boston College 80.5 Kinnaird Street Cambridge, MA 02139 www.tritonbrass.org 617.497.5246 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 08:25:24 EST From: BITEensemble@AOL.COM Subject: Re: American trombone Concertos with Wind Band In a message dated 3/1/03 8:14:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, BITEensemble@AOL.COM writes: > Hey Fredi! > > Yup, Colloquy is a great piece! I know Larry has it (and has the band > parts) > if you wanted to check it out. I did this on my last conservatory recital, > it > is quite fun but the last page of the solo is a bit confused. When I did I > was thinking of Mike Davis' quasi jazz/rock style which you will understand > when you see the score. The are no recordings that I know of which present > the piece in its best light as far as the last page goes. Most people play > the notes and it comes out confused as hell. However, Larry just did it > with > Scott Hartman playing the solo. Wow! He really got it! When I heard him > play > it, the piece went from being mediocre to being great! Scotty really has > the > ability to bring out the best in music ;-) > > If you are thinking of this for a recital, I arrange the piece for solo > trombone and eight trombones, which is how I performed it on my recital. I > have that recording as well. It features me on the solo with Mark Cantrell, > Steve Cooley, Pete Cirelli, Ron Barron, Bron Wright, Alexei Doohovskoy, > John > Faieta and Anthony Hudson as the trombone group -- very fun! > > I also have an arrangement which I did with that group called La Vasija de > Barro. I also expanded this for the Boston Pops' Latin concerts, but they > have not used it yet so it is unpublished. I could easily modify that > arrangement for whatever you need. It is slow (about death) and the solo > lies > in the trigger register. Mark later played it with BITE! on bass trombone. > It > is a great piece if I do say so. The recordings I have feature Ron and me > on > altos which is really quite gorgeous. I have one take of it where he and I > exchange some hilarious clams if you want as well ;-) > > The Martin exists in the format you are looking for as well. I am sure you > know this one - great piece. Also, pretty much any Pryor solo (Blue Bells > and > company). > > My other suggestion is that I can arrange pretty much whatever you want > given > your deadline is not tomorrow and we can work out whatever copyright issue > come up. > > Later, > > Wes > > > > Wesley Hopper > Trombone, Triton Brass Quintet > Adjunct Professor of Trombone, Boston College > > 80.5 Kinnaird Street > Cambridge, MA 02139 > www.tritonbrass.org > 617.497.5246 > Sorry. That was meant as a private email. Hope I did not offend any of you Alessi/Barron supporters with my comment about the recordings of Colloquy. -Wes Wesley Hopper Trombone, Triton Brass Quintet Adjunct Professor of Trombone, Boston College 80.5 Kinnaird Street Cambridge, MA 02139 www.tritonbrass.org 617.497.5246 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 09:58:38 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess Subject: Reynolds Question Howdy friends, A friend in Austin saw a few postings from trombone-L recently and wrote to ask this question... Anyone have any advice to offer? --Wayne Dyess ===================================================== At 1:14 PM -0600 2/28/03, Jeff M. wrote: > >I wondered if you could give me any advice on upgrading mouthpieces >on a horn I bought last year. It's an old Reynolds Contempora bass >trombone, circa 1950, single trigger F with the slide that extends it >an additional half step (I never use it) for certain arrangements, etc... > >I'm currently using the original two Reynolds mouthpieces that are >marked 1A and 1B. Switching mouthpieces allows me some flexibility, >but I'm beginning to wonder if a Bach, or Yeoman would be a good >investment. > >I've heard that the old Reynolds used a different style shank and that >the modern mouthpieces fit so differently that it makes a significant >change in tuning. I've even read of one player who trimmed his tuning >slide by more than an inch in order to bring the tuning up. > >This sounds bizarre, but it may mean that I'm stuck with two mouthpieces >and that I have no other "modern" options. > >Do you have an opinion about mouthpieces for my old Contempora? > >Thanks, >Jeff :) -- ========================= Dr. J. Wayne Dyess, Professor of Music Lamar University Music Department P. O. Box 10044 Beaumont, Texas 77710 409-880-8146 FAX: 409-880-8143 dyessjw@hal.lamar.edu http://www.lamar.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 10:17:38 -0600 From: Ken Vork Subject: Re: American trombone Concertos with Wind Band Nobody has mentioned the concerto by Johann de Meij. It is not well known, but Christian Lindberg has a recording of it, and I know Alessi has played it (he was guest soloist with the Interlochen Academy Band when my daughter was attending) but I do not know if he has recorded it. The title is a little corny; "T-bone concerto" with movements "rare, medium", and "well-done". Even so, it really is a delightful piece and deserves to be played more than it is to this point. Ken Vork ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 09:48:02 -0800 From: Karl Hinterbichler Subject: Re: American trombone Concertos with Wind Band on 3/1/03 8:17 AM, Ken Vork at kvork@MCHSI.COM wrote: > Nobody has mentioned the concerto by Johann de Meij. It is not well known, > but Christian Lindberg has a recording of it, and I know Alessi has played > it (he was guest soloist with the Interlochen Academy Band when my daughter > was attending) but I do not know if he has recorded it. > > The title is a little corny; "T-bone concerto" with movements "rare, > medium", and "well-done". Even so, it really is a delightful piece and > deserves to be played more than it is to this point. > > Ken Vork Joe Alessi is in the process of recording this work accompanied by the University of New Mexico Wind Symphony. Also included in the CD (to be issued by Summit) is a newly commissioned work for trombone and wind ensemble by Joseph Turrin, as well as some virtuoso works by Pryor and others. Karl Hinterbichler University of New Mexico ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 09:34:37 -0800 From: Tom Izzo Subject: Re: American trombone Concertos with Wind Band Ken, &all, Didn't the original poster ask for aConcerto for an ALL AMERICAN program? de Meij isn't considered American, is he? Nor some of the other suggesstions. Tom --- Ken Vork wrote: > Nobody has mentioned the concerto by Johann de Meij. > It is not well known, > but Christian Lindberg has a recording of it, and I > know Alessi has played > it (he was guest soloist with the Interlochen > Academy Band when my daughter > was attending) but I do not know if he has recorded > it. > > The title is a little corny; "T-bone concerto" with > movements "rare, > medium", and "well-done". Even so, it really is a > delightful piece and > deserves to be played more than it is to this point. > > Ken Vork ===== Tom Izzo Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Bass Trumpet, Euphonium, Electric Bass, Percussion http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ (630) 983-1985 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:24:56 -0600 From: "D.J. Kennedy" Subject: Re: Reynolds Question hey reynolds !!!!yeah --i played a contempo 516 b/f with a reynolds 8d ------------------- those mpcs are probably happening with that era horn- the bassboneheads say that this is a smaller throat etc -and the big cannon woofer mpcs ---its like dropping a 550 cube nitrofueler superchaged mill into a dodge neon prolly a 2g in bach would be cool or 1.5 the old style reynolds falls somewhere inbetween new sym tenors old style 88h //king 5b mini bass and new designs and olds of the era have some similarities ------------- i have a wreck of a us navy fa reynolds in sil plate single 562 no slide lock --- Wayne Dyess wrote: > Howdy friends, > > A friend in Austin saw a few postings from trombone-L recently and > wrote to ask this question... > Anyone have any advice to offer? > --Wayne Dyess > > ===================================================== > At 1:14 PM -0600 2/28/03, Jeff M. wrote: > > > >I wondered if you could give me any advice on upgrading mouthpieces > >on a horn I bought last year. It's an old Reynolds Contempora bass > >trombone, circa 1950, single trigger F with the slide that extends it > >an additional half step (I never use it) for certain arrangements, etc... > > > >I'm currently using the original two Reynolds mouthpieces that are > >marked 1A and 1B. Switching mouthpieces allows me some flexibility, > >but I'm beginning to wonder if a Bach, or Yeoman would be a good > >investment. > > > >I've heard that the old Reynolds used a different style shank and that > >the modern mouthpieces fit so differently that it makes a significant > >change in tuning. I've even read of one player who trimmed his tuning > >slide by more than an inch in order to bring the tuning up. > > > >This sounds bizarre, but it may mean that I'm stuck with two mouthpieces > >and that I have no other "modern" options. > > > >Do you have an opinion about mouthpieces for my old Contempora? > > > >Thanks, > >Jeff :) > > -- > ========================= > Dr. J. Wayne Dyess, Professor of Music > Lamar University Music Department > P. O. Box 10044 > Beaumont, Texas 77710 > 409-880-8146 > FAX: 409-880-8143 > dyessjw@hal.lamar.edu > http://www.lamar.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:49:34 -0600 From: "D.J. Kennedy" Subject: more about diversity and the ita//itf thanks for the reply--your web site is great !!!!-chris washburn deep articles -about playing in salsa bands --explaining the types of clave which seem to be some sort of thumping thing cocanuts falling off trees -- rain on tin ----frogs peeping ---antelope jumping ----anyway the ita is trying to open up-- i think it will lead to a gig at next years thing in ny -sam is on the committee etc-- anyway the reason i ask etc is that your scholarship book //immersion in latino culture offer a peek //voyeur into a placeand culture where there is music __TROMBONE ---is a part of it ---------- the article //book ///clave ---fits right into the rhythmic pattern and would be a good feature in the ita journal --- what you have done //are doing is building that bridge between the classical //western trad jazz and music coming from other culture mostly outside of the academic enclave[ha ha] en clave --hum - anyway ----sam is on it ---- the guys from brazil are beautiful and the costa rican quartet - -------- new york is a microcosm but due to movement has crosscurrents flowing ---------------------- your article about clave --is understandable for me --and your site acessed thru jazz corner under trombone is easily accessable -------------------------- since you are working with sam its a natchural !!!!!!! maimi and la and texas have their own flavors -- --------your horn ----- what kind of horn[s] mpc set up are you using ????? thanks very much for trombonists out in 7th Chris Washburne wrote: > i am not working on the diversity thing, whatever that is. I am playing > though, with Sam Burtis. Thanks for checking out my articles. > > Best, Chris Washburne > > On Sat, 1 Mar 2003, D.J. Kennedy wrote: > > > just reading your articles on jc site > > and wondered if you are working with sam burtis nat brickens > > on the ''diversity ''thing for itf//ita > > thanks > > dj > > > > Chris Washburne, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor of Music > Director of the Louis Armstrong Jazz Performance Program > Music Department > 621 Dodge Hall, Mail Code 1813 > Columbia University > 2960 Broadway > New York, New York 10027 > office phone:(212)854-9862 > fax:(212)854-8191 > email: cjw5@columbia.edu > website: www.chriswashburne.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:22:57 -0600 From: Roy & Jean Potratz Subject: mpc advice -- euph to t-bone Greetings! I just joined the list, and have been reading the responses about playing different brass instruments. I am principally euphonium (converted bassoon), and have been studying trombone the last 11 months. I use a Bach 3G mpc on my MeinlWeston 451S. My Bach 36BO came with a 6 1/2 AL. Over the last year and a half, on my 3G, I've been able to work myself down to the F below pedal Bb. However, on my trombone mpc, I'm getting erratic airflow when I engage F (above pedal Bb) and try to work myself downward. Keep in mind that I'm just starting to try to increase my lower range on trombone. My question: Should I try a larger mpc, or should I work to overcome the trigger air-flow problem with the 6 1/2 AL? This horn (early 90s vintage, bought used) does have good tone quality in the tenor range with the present mpc. Thanks. Jean in IA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:34:59 -0600 From: Ken Vork Subject: Re: American trombone Concertos with Wind Band Oh, woops... > Ken, &all, > > > Didn't the original poster ask for aConcerto for an > ALL AMERICAN program? > de Meij isn't considered American, is he? > Nor some of the other suggesstions. > > Tom > > > --- Ken Vork wrote: > > Nobody has mentioned the concerto by Johann de Meij. > > It is not well known, > > but Christian Lindberg has a recording of it, and I > > know Alessi has played > > it (he was guest soloist with the Interlochen > > Academy Band when my daughter > > was attending) but I do not know if he has recorded > > it. > > > > The title is a little corny; "T-bone concerto" with > > movements "rare, > > medium", and "well-done". Even so, it really is a > > delightful piece and > > deserves to be played more than it is to this point. > > > > Ken Vork > > > ===== > Tom Izzo > Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire > Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra > Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Bass Trumpet, Euphonium, Electric Bass, Percussion > http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ > (630) 983-1985 > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 15:09:26 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo Subject: New Yeo FAQ on piracy/copyrights Following up on a lively discussion going on now at the OTJ Forum (http://www.trombone.org/forum) on the subject of piracy, my new article on this issue, "Rrpping" and "sharing" music without paying for it vs. adherence to copyright laws and the rights of performers and copyright holders, is now online in my FAQ section which is in the "Resources" area of my website. It is much more comprehensive than anything I've written about this on the trombone-l or OTJ Forum. To get there, just go to my home page at http://www.yeodoug.com and either go to "Resources" or click the "FAQ" icon. This new article is FAQ 21. -Doug Yeo -- Douglas Yeo Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra Music Director, The New England Brass Band dyeo@rcn.com /// yeo@yeodoug.com http://www.yeodoug.com <>< ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 16:01:14 -0500 From: Walter Barrett Subject: Re: mpc advice -- euph to t-bone Thus spake, not Zarathustra, but Roy & Jean Potratz > Greetings! I just joined the list, and have been reading the responses about > playing different brass instruments. I am principally euphonium (converted > bassoon), and have been studying trombone the last 11 months. I use a Bach > 3G mpc on my MeinlWeston 451S. My Bach 36BO came with a 6 1/2 AL. Over the > last year and a half, on my 3G, I've been able to work myself down to the F > below pedal Bb. However, on my trombone mpc, I'm getting erratic airflow > when I engage F (above pedal Bb) and try to work myself downward. Keep in > mind that I'm just starting to try to increase my lower range on trombone. > > My question: Should I try a larger mpc, or should I work to overcome the > trigger air-flow problem with the 6 1/2 AL? This horn (early 90s vintage, > bought used) does have good tone quality in the tenor range with the present > mpc. > > Thanks. > Jean in IA Hey, Jean! First thing I would check is the valve. Open the cover on the side opposite the lever mechanism, and look for a 90 degree mark in the center on the shaft. One side should line up with a small mark on the part that doesn't turn. Now work the valve, and the other side of the 90 degree mark should now be lined up with the stationary mark. This is a quick way of checking that the valve is rotating just the right amount; if it isn't, it can make things stuffy. It's not foolproof, because it depends on the accuracy of the worker checking the alignment at the factory, but it's usually ok. While you're at it, check and see if your spit valve is leaking. Also, make sure that you are pressing the lever all the way. Sometimes folks with small hands/thumbs don't press it down enough. The 6 1/2 is a good middle of the road choice, as would be a 5. A 3 or 4 starts to get into the darker, woofier side of things. I've found that when switching from euph to tenor trombone that I have to back off on the air flow to optimize the sound/tone and the response/flexibility. Hope this helps, Walter Barrett " these bits of metal are nothing until you add talent and dedication..." -D.J. Kennedy Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 15:50:20 -0600 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Subject: Re: Reynolds Question Wayne Dyess wrote: > >I wondered if you could give me any advice on upgrading mouthpieces > >on a .... Reynolds Contempora bass > >trombone, circa 1950....... > >I'm currently using the original two Reynolds mouthpieces that are > >marked 1A and 1B. .......... > >I've heard that the old Reynolds used a different style shank and that > >the modern mouthpieces........ Wayne, I have here a Reynolds 2B bass trombone mouthpiece. It does have an unusual shank, very much like the old Conns with the "Remington shank". It wouldn't fit in most horns like Bachs. I imagine that a Bach mouthpiece would fit in the Reynolds though. That's easy enough to check, just grab somebody's Bach mouthpiece and see if it fits. If so, go buy some Bach mouthpieces. Eric Swanson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 16:44:00 -0600 From: John Jenkins Subject: Schilke trombones??? Hi all. I was talking to a fellow trombonist last night after a concert and he mentioned something about a Schilke trombone. I've heard them mentioned before, but thought nothing of it. But now I want to know whether this is fact or fiction. Is there such a thing as a Schilke trombone? I know they make some pretty good and expensive trumpets, but are the trombones for real? The trombonist said that they didn't do well because they were "crappy". If anyone has any relevant information, please educate me on this matter. Thank you. John ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 18:05:07 -0500 From: Denver Seifried Subject: Re: Schilke Trombones?? I believe, at one time, Schilke did, in fact, assemble a few trombones which I had heard were Yamaha parts, as Renauld Schilke did a lot of the design work for the very early Yamaha brass instruments, in Chicago. There was a fine trombonist in the Dayton Ohio area, by the name of Peter Petit, who originally came to Dayton via the Toledo Symphony, who owned and played one of these Schilke trombones. It was a straight symphonic tenor, maybe a .525 or .547 bore trombone, and, of course, was silver plated, as Schilke never was into lacquered instruments. Denny Seifried Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Symphony & Dayton Jazz Orchestra Adjunct Trombone-Wittenberg Univ. Dept. of Music ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 17:23:04 -0600 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Subject: Re: Schilke Trombones?? John Jenkins wrote: > Hi all. I was talking to a fellow trombonist last night after a concert and > he mentioned something about a Schilke trombone..... Is there such a thing as > a Schilke trombone? Denver Seifried wrote: > I believe, at one time, Schilke did, in fact, assemble a few trombones which > I had heard were Yamaha parts, as Renauld Schilke did a lot of the design > work for the very early Yamaha brass instruments, in Chicago. > My understanding is that Denny's right. There have been a few made, mostly early prototypes for Yamaha. Eric Swanson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 20:24:08 -0500 From: Art Triggs Subject: Schilke Trombones John Jenkons asked " > Hi all. I was talking to a fellow trombonist last night after a concert and > he mentioned something about a Schilke trombone. I've heard them mentioned > before, but thought nothing of it. But now I want to know whether this is > fact or fiction. Is there such a thing as a Schilke trombone? I know they > make some pretty good and expensive trumpets, but are the trombones for > real? The trombonist said that they didn't do well because they were > "crappy". If anyone has any relevant information, please educate me on this > matter. Thank you. > > John" My experience with Schilke's trombones comes from trying prototypes that I saw at his shop in 1976, the two bass trombones were excellent, one was the fore runner of the Yamaha ybl612 dependant valve bass, (Schilke was consulting/designing instruments with Yamaha at that time) the other used the same slide and bell but had a valve section reminiscent of the Reylnolds double valve bass of the late 60's it was a very clean, focused sounding instrument, with a lean kind of quality to it, unfortunately not all that fashionable at that time.....I saw two tenor trombones, one a 500 bore instrument that was nice ( not my cup of tea being mainly a bass trombonist, and a large bore tenor,(another yamaha look alike, that was good but had kind of a "dead" sound to it) Hope that helps Art Triggs ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 12:06:16 +0800 From: Fredi Sonderegger Subject: Re: mpc advice -- euph to t-bone Jean, I agree with Walter don't worry about the mouthpieces...... for now. Playing both instruments on an even level is not an easy task. The most important bit is to understand that, although the diameter of the of the mouthpiece rim is similar and you have to buzz the lips to get a pitch, pretty much everything is some what different on both instruments. So if you developed the sensitivity to play low notes on the euphonium it doesn't mean you can do it on trombone equally as easily. You might need to put in the same effort on the tbn. Backing off the air stream (thanks Walter) is really a very good start. I perform both instrument professionally and teach both on University level now, but back in undergrad I had weekly lessons with two completely different players (my trombone teacher didn't like that). Now I find myself even using different embouchures for both instruments. Enjoy what you are doing, but be aware of the double effort. Fredi Sonderegger -----Original Message----- From: Trombones and related issues forum. [mailto:TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU] On Behalf Of Walter Barrett Sent: Sunday, 2 March 2003 5:01 AM To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU Subject: Re: [TBN-L] mpc advice -- euph to t-bone Thus spake, not Zarathustra, but Roy & Jean Potratz > Greetings! I just joined the list, and have been reading the responses about > playing different brass instruments. I am principally euphonium (converted > bassoon), and have been studying trombone the last 11 months. I use a Bach > 3G mpc on my MeinlWeston 451S. My Bach 36BO came with a 6 1/2 AL. Over the > last year and a half, on my 3G, I've been able to work myself down to the F > below pedal Bb. However, on my trombone mpc, I'm getting erratic airflow > when I engage F (above pedal Bb) and try to work myself downward. Keep in > mind that I'm just starting to try to increase my lower range on trombone. > > My question: Should I try a larger mpc, or should I work to overcome the > trigger air-flow problem with the 6 1/2 AL? This horn (early 90s vintage, > bought used) does have good tone quality in the tenor range with the present > mpc. > > Thanks. > Jean in IA Hey, Jean! First thing I would check is the valve. Open the cover on the side opposite the lever mechanism, and look for a 90 degree mark in the center on the shaft. One side should line up with a small mark on the part that doesn't turn. Now work the valve, and the other side of the 90 degree mark should now be lined up with the stationary mark. This is a quick way of checking that the valve is rotating just the right amount; if it isn't, it can make things stuffy. It's not foolproof, because it depends on the accuracy of the worker checking the alignment at the factory, but it's usually ok. While you're at it, check and see if your spit valve is leaking. Also, make sure that you are pressing the lever all the way. Sometimes folks with small hands/thumbs don't press it down enough. The 6 1/2 is a good middle of the road choice, as would be a 5. A 3 or 4 starts to get into the darker, woofier side of things. I've found that when switching from euph to tenor trombone that I have to back off on the air flow to optimize the sound/tone and the response/flexibility. Hope this helps, Walter Barrett " these bits of metal are nothing until you add talent and dedication..." -D.J. Kennedy Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 23:39:41 EST From: Dansatt@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Schilke Trombones Frank Crisafulli played a gold plated Schilke/Yamaha for quite awhile in the Chicago Symphony. You can see it in the photo that was on the cover of the ITA journal some time ago...one where he is outside at Northwestern and facing sideways. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 23:58:14 EST From: David Carter Subject: Re: Schilke trombones??? Back in the 70's I stopped by the Schilke store in Chicago to try out a Schilke bass trombone that I had heard about. Mr. Schilke showed it to me and even let me play on it for a few minutes. When I asked about when Schilke was going to make them for sale, Mr. Schilke said that he would never make money on a low volume of trombones, bass or otherwise, and that the two bass trombones, each with a different valve wrap were prototypes for Yamaha for which he was paid a profit. DC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 00:15:06 -0500 From: Denver Seifried Subject: Woody Herman Band In Dayton! List Members, especially Cleveland, Akron, Canton area boneheads!!! Dayton, Ohio, had the pleasure of hearing a great bone section, tonight, with the Woody Herman Band, directed by Frank Tiberi. Wow! What a great bone section, with John Fedchock, Tom Garling and Tom Matta, on bass. The highlight of the evening, tonight, was hearing John Fedchock play the beautiful ballad, "Laura", which was also one of his charts, in the Herman library. There was also a heavy dose of jazz bone by John & Tom Garling. Another superb treat for the evening was a guest appearance on the second set, with the Herman Band, by Richmond, IN. native and LA studio great, drummer/ex Hermanite, Jeff Hamilton! It doesn't get much better than this! Next Saturday evening, March 8th, the Herman Band will be in Hudson, OH, for a re-run of this great concert, probably sans Jeff Hamilton. I have no details where this gig will happen. Maybe some Cleveland area boneheads can fill in the details for the list members in NE Ohio. Denny Seifried Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Symphony & Dayton Jazz Orchestra Adjunct Trombone-Wittenberg Univ. 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