Subject: TROMBONE-L Digest - 24 Feb 2003 to 25 Feb 2003 (#2003-56) Date: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 12:00 AM From: Automatic digest processor Reply-To: "Trombones and related issues forum." To: Recipients of TROMBONE-L digests There are 41 messages totalling 1774 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Lots o' Mouthpieces for Sale 2. mouthpiece mass (6) 3. Mouthpiece weights 4. instrument for sale 5. Big Mouthpiece / Small Horn (2) 6. DER ROSENKAVALIER 7. Stork, was Re: Big Mouthpiece / Small Horn 8. Wanted: bach bass trombone valves (2) 9. Chicago Lyric (3) 10. good news for Calgary (2) 11. facial hair (5) 12. Gigs (3) 13. Gigs///electric bugle available 14. instrument for sale////////mira tuba 4 sale 15. Eric Ewazen - Hymn for the Lost and the Living (4) 16. Fwd: [TBN-L] Eric Ewazen - Hymn for the Lost and the Living 17. Military band recordings (3) 18. Someone Seeking Morceau 19. Military band recordings///// 20. While we're on the topic of mouthpieces... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 00:25:44 -0600 From: Jeff Albert Subject: Lots o' Mouthpieces for Sale I am cleaning out the mouthpiece drawer, and came up with 8 that would be better off in new homes. Add $5 for shipping on 1 in the US, and $7.50 for shipping on 2 or 3 in the US, if you buy more than three, I'll eat the shipping. Small shank: Stork T2S - Stork's lighter blank, more open S backbore. Pretty new, only played on 2 or 3 gigs. $35 Marcinkiewicz 15 - sat in a drawer for about 10 years. Cool piece if you are into really small stuff. $20 Large shank: Schilke 50 - $20 Stork T1 (large shank) - $30 Conn Remington - slightly out of round shank tip $15 Bach 6 1/2A - $25 Bach 1 1/2G - has the name Christina etched in the side $15 Marcinkiewicz 1 1/2G - $20 None of these were ever my main mouthpieces. Most were experiments or came with horns that I bought. They all have complete plating on the rim area, some have some wear on the shanks. The prices are pretty indicative of their relative condition. If you want a bunch of them, I am willing to be Monty Hall. Please ask any questions you may have. Thanks, Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:53:59 -0000 From: Adrian Drover Subject: Re: mouthpiece mass "Mouthpiece Mass"? Is that an anti-war gathering, or a town in New England? A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 06:40:22 -0500 From: Neal Schermerhorn Subject: Re: Mouthpiece weights I use the Schilke weight. Cost me $20 some 5 years ago. I play rock and jazz on a 16 thru a 6 1/2 AL and it really does make a subtle but noticeable difference. I imagine the bigger the equipment, the less likely you'll see a difference. Neal Schermerhorn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 04:35:04 -0800 From: Tom Brozene Subject: instrument for sale Hi everyone, this is my first time on this mailing list, and so I thought what better a use of it then to tell you guys of my instrument for sale. Now its not a trombone but its just as good. It is a Mirafone 186 Tuba. Brand new, practically never been played, although I must say I had to have the bell fixed up, because I kind of dented it up. The good news about that is that you have to squint really really hard to see the scar, but other than that and some other real minor dings, it plays like a dream. The four rotors on it are spectacular. Not only do you get the tuba, but for no extra charge, you get a mouthpiece, a gig bag,(that you can carry on your back like a back pack) valve oil, spindle oil, and a tuba stand. Now how about that deal? Now I bet you guys are wondering how much it costs? Well let me tell you, I bought it brand new, hand picked from Germany, for $4850, but because of the scar and the dings, I am willing to sell it to anyone of you guys for $4300-4500, obo. Plus I could really use the money right now, at Long Beach State. So if anyone of you guys are interested in my offer, pleeeease don't hesitate to email me and let me know. Or even if you know of someone who might be interested in buying my tuba from me, I would greatly appreiciate it. Or even if you dont want it, let me know, so I get some kind of reponse. Thanks for your time Tom __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:39:18 +0000 From: Walter Barrett Subject: Re: Big Mouthpiece / Small Horn Thus spake, not Zarathustra, but Steve Carr... > If you¶re just going to do occasional tenor bone playing then keeping > the same rim may work. Intonation shouldn¶t be a problem it the rest > of the MP matches the horn. Endurance will be the issue. The demands > of the type of tenor playing you want to do will determine whether you > can make it work or not. > > I went down this route for years but eventually found that one rim > wouldn¶t work if you want to have a good sounding pedal F on bass and a > good sounding high F on tenor. > > That said, I believe fellow list member Walter Barrett uses a Schilke > 59 rim for bass, tenor and alto. Walter? > > regards > Steve Actually, Steve, it's a 60 rim. Scott Laskey made me a couple of mpces when he was still at Schilke. On large tenor, it's basically the 60 rim with a 51D cup, on small tenor, it's kind of a 50-51 cup, and on alto and bass trumpet, it's like a 48 cup. On euph, I use a normal 60, but with the throat opened up, plus a tone enhancer. The 2 small shank mpces. have had their shanks turned down so that they fit into the receiver more, to help keep the pitch up. I had these made because I was primarily playing bass bone 20-25 years ago, but was getting calls for quite a bit of tenor playing. Now, most of my playing is tenor trombone and euphonium, but I'm so used to these that I'd be afraid to switch at this stage. (Maybe in 20-30 years...) I've always had kind of freaky strong chops, plus I was a tuba major in school, so I was used to big mpces. Most of what I work on is flexibility, not strength. Endurance, especially in the high register, can be a problem, but only if you don't rest as much as possible. You also need to balance the high stuff with mid and low register things; basically, you need to work every register every day. If I was on the road playing big band lead every day, I'd probably be in trouble, but once or twice a week in a local rehearsal band isn't a problem. Walter Barrett "Most people hate the taste of beer to begin with. It is, however, a prejudice that many people have been able to overcome." -Winston Churchill Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:46:59 +0000 From: Walter Barrett Subject: Re: Big Mouthpiece / Small Horn Thus spake, not Zarathustra, but Wessner, John > How you get that is pretty much irrelevant - except for the little whistle he > builds into the throat. Bill Vacchiano used to look for a trumpet mpce. that whistled. He took it out of the horn, and blew into the shank end. If he got a high-pitched whistle, it was a keeper. I have one of the Stork Vacchiano 1 trumpet mpces, and it has that whistle. I guess it has to do with the combination of backbore shape and size, and the throat size, but whatever it was, it worked for Bill. Man, what a sound! (and I hear he's still got it, at 91!!!) Walter Barrett "I feel no pain dear mother now, But oh, I am so dry! O take me to a brewery, And leave me there to die." -Anonymous (19th century) Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:17:02 -0500 From: Roger Hecht Subject: Re: DER ROSENKAVALIER >Phil > > >Dear Phil - >Here is one to ponder, and if you've got any resources, find out about. >Actually, I'm doing another paper on trombone in chamber music and this >particular work is darm hard to find out about. It is: Richard Strauss' DER >ROSENKAVALIER Film Musik for Salonorchester, i.e., a 13-part ensemble (that >includes one trombone).\ >The film version of Rosenkavalier was produced in 1926, but this version >wasn't discovered until perhaps the 1970s. Harmoni Mundi (EMI) did a >recording in 1981 wtih Ensemble 13 Baden-Baden, Manfred Reichert conducting, >which is fabulous - >but all my efforts to inquire about this version of the opera have been >ill-fated. Boosey & Hawkes seem to know nothing about it (that house is the >principal Strauss-handling firm. Fuerstner may have been the original >publisher, and though Strauss had his name on it (presumably he was the >redactor), I have my doubts that he did the job himself. Any avenues you >might pursue on this one would be appreciated. The best thing I found on this question is in Kurt Wilhelm's "Richard Strauss--An Intimate Portrait" (p 181-2) Essentially: Robert Wiene approached Strauss with the idea for a film of the opera. Strauss and von Hofmannsthal (the librettist for Der R) wrote a script and, in Wilhelm's words reconstituted "the action of the opera in pantomimic terms (which Wiene ignored)." Also in Wilhelm's words, "Strauss's part was to provide an orchestral score as an accompaniment; with the help of Carl Alwin and Otto Singer a selection of numbers from the opera score were rearranged (in every sense), and Strauss composed a new march, as well." The film was made in 1925. Michael Bohnen played Ochs. The other roles were taken by actors from around Europe. The film was first shown in 1926 in Dresden State Opera House. Strauss conducted the premiere. The result was Strauss working up an active dislike to film. The film dropped out of sight, but parts were reconstructed in 1965. According to Wilhelm, the results were "appalling"--good idea, terrible execution. The recording in 1980 was a chamber arrangement of the score. I've seen these LPs but never heard them. I'd imagine the notes on them would be of some use, though they may be entirely in German. As for other sources, Marek only mentions the film. I couldn't find anything in Del Mar's major biography. I have only Vol 2, but it covers those years. Del Mar may have something in the Appendix. I haven't seen Michael Kennedy's biography. Roger Hecht ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:17:55 -0800 From: Gabriel Langfur Subject: Stork, was Re: Big Mouthpiece / Small Horn --- Walter Barrett wrote: > I have one of the Stork > Vacchiano 1 trumpet mpces, > and it has that whistle. Phyllis Stork was a student of Vacchiano. If you've never met her and John, you should...they are amazing people. Phyllis has an incredible ear and can tell John exactly what to do to make a custom mouthpiece for an individual player - and then what the player has to do to get the most out of it. She's a little more comfortable with trumpet players than trombone, but wow what an amazing brain... Also, she has a very, umm, direct style of communication that can be very refreshing in today's sometimes overly polite world. I've seen her take a trumpet player friend of mine, remove all of his internal organs (metaphorically of course), rearrange them on her workbench, and then put them back together with a couple of new mouthpieces attached, all of which made him sound about 250% better than when he walked in - all for the ridiculously low price the Storks charge for custom mouthpieces. I understand they've changed their fee schedule to include a consulting fee for her, and I can tell you her time is worth every penny. ===== Gabe Langfur Boston, MA __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:09:43 -0600 From: Graham Middleton Subject: Wanted: bach bass trombone valves a couple of months ago i bought a mt vernon bach 50 bell, but alas i am a tenor player and i have no horn to mount this bell to. So, i am looking for any style or combination of bach bass trombone rotary valves; single, double; open, closed; dependent, independent. A price is negotiable with condition. Thanks graham middleton ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:16:14 -0500 From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL Subject: Re: mouthpiece mass I'm top-posting though that is considered rude, because my mailer won't do quotes. (possibly operator error) Gabe, we are talking past each other because we aren't using some terms to mean the same thing - we may not be in as fundamental a disagreement as it appears. I use feedback to mean one and only one thing: return of information from the end of the process to the beginning of the process. Just information - not energy, work, power, availability, entropy, etc. I imply that I use that information to measure the error, or difference from the ideal sound in my head, but that isn't essential to calling it feedback. You are clearly using the term differently. Sorry, but I got here first . My use of the term is the standard practice both in technical fields and common use. Your concept may make sense, or not, but you ought to consider calling it something else. Sometimes precision in terminology forces us to give up fuzzy thinking - that's not a criticism of your viewpoint, which may be correct, just my reason for being picky about the word. About the rest of your arguments, I would agree none of my ideas are correct to any reasonable certainty - they are just an attempt to explain some observations in a way that comes close to fitting some kind of scientific model. Other explanations are possible and may even be better. I don't even necessarily want to be right - but I find it impossible to deal with data without some attempt to fit it into a conceptual framework. Just the way I'm wired. Gotta go home at lunch and practice. Sigh. I signed up for a parade this weekend, I did part of my morning warmup today marching in place. Ugghh, I'd forgotten how hard it is to play with the mouthpiece bouncing. Stepped on a hairbrush, too, in bare feet. Gabe says: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:29:00 -0600 From: schaefer@OLEMISS.EDU Subject: Chicago Lyric Have the preliminary rounds for the Chicago Lyric Opera bass bone position taken place? Does anybody here know who made the final round? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:27:52 +0000 From: Walter Barrett Subject: Re: Wanted: bach bass trombone valves Thus spake, not Zarathustra, but Graham Middleton > a couple of months ago i bought a mt vernon bach 50 bell, but alas i am a > tenor > player and i have no horn to mount this bell to. So, i am looking for any > style or combination of bach bass trombone rotary valves; single, double; > open, > closed; dependent, independent. A price is negotiable with condition. Thanks > graham middleton I think Joe Stanko has a set of closed wrap inlines for sale, check the OTJ Classifieds under Accessories. Knowing Joe, I'm sure they're in great shape, and will likely be better than described. Walter Barrett "Roaming through the jungle of ¸oohs· and ¸ahs,· searching for a more agreeable noise, I live a life of primitivity with the mind of a child and an unquenchable thirst for sharps and flats. -Duke Ellington Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:54:29 -0800 From: Joshua Brown Subject: Re: Chicago Lyric I know four names and one description: Jeff Gray John Schwalm Garnett Livingston Scott Thornton a bass trombonist in the United States Navy Band --- schaefer@olemiss.edu wrote: > Have the preliminary rounds for the Chicago Lyric > Opera bass > bone position taken place? > > Does anybody here know who made the final round? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:03:35 -0800 From: Gabriel Langfur Subject: Re: mouthpiece mass --- richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL wrote: > I use feedback to mean one and only one thing: return of > information from > the end of the process to the beginning of the process. Well, we're on a music-related list, so I use feedback to mean energy in the system of tone production that changes the nature of the source of that tone production. I see the process I describe of the buzz being directly affected by what comes after it in the system as very similar to electric guitar feedback. If nothing else, it's a music-related term that has similar effects. So there ;) ===== Gabe Langfur Boston, MA __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:14:55 -0800 From: Gabriel Langfur Subject: good news for Calgary I read this on Andante.com today. I hope this news is as good as it sounds, particularly for listmember Jim Scott... Gabe Calgary Herald / andante - 13 February 2003 The Calgary Philharmonic could begin performing again as soon as next week thanks to a grant from the federal government in Ottawa, the Calgary Herald reports. The Canadian government agreed Wednesday to give the orchestra C$250,000, the last bit of financing the CPO needed to get its finances in order, the newspaper says. "We'll be a partner in the short- and long-term strategy to keep the symphony not only afloat, but growing," Canadian Heritage Minister Sheila Copps told the Herald. The orchestra, which filed for bankruptcy protection in October and suspended its season, had been trying to raise C$1.5 million from public and private sources to resume operations and put a new business model in place. Thanks to the contribution from Ottawa, as well as matching grants from the provincial and municipal governments and C$800,000 in private pledges, the orchestra has exceeded its goal, the Herald says. With the financing in place, the orchestra can begin paying its creditors and complete the rest of its concert season. The first performance is likely to be a 19 February concert scheduled as part of the CPO's Baroque series. Ñ Michael Markowitz __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:04:06 -0500 From: DSlide13@AOL.COM Subject: facial hair Anyone here have any thoughts on playing with a moustache? I've had a moustache consistently for the last 10 years. Not only does it cover up my 'ring', but it seems to allow me to make minor shift adjustments without too much trouble. Yesterday, I shave my moustache and when I played it felt great. I imagine the feeling will even out soon. I liken the euphoric state that I experienced to trying a new mouthpiece. At first, it feels so much better, but eventually you find that the same problems exist. I'll probably keep shaving for a while and see what happens. I hope my 'ring' doesn't gross anyone out. Time will tell. BTW, the gig scene is so slow for me right now, that this is all I have to add to the discussion. To keep me from posting things like this (or worse) in the future, give me a gig. Peace, David Gibson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:11:35 -0800 From: Chris Tune Subject: Re: mouthpiece mass A special religious ceremony for large numbers of attorneys. Chris Tune ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Drover" To: Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [TBN-L] mouthpiece mass > "Mouthpiece Mass"? > > Is that an anti-war gathering, or a town in New England? > > A. > > Adrian Drover > ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk > Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:13:32 +0000 From: Walter Barrett Subject: Re: mouthpiece mass Thus spake, not Zarathustra, but Chris Tune > A special religious ceremony for large numbers of attorneys. > > Chris Tune > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adrian Drover" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 11:53 PM > Subject: Re: [TBN-L] mouthpiece mass > > >> "Mouthpiece Mass"? >> >> Is that an anti-war gathering, or a town in New England? >> >> A. >> >> Adrian Drover >> ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk >> Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk >> Or when you have more people in the public relations dep't than you need... (dedicated to Ray Avery, and his day gig...) Walter Barrett "I've always known that the trombone could be played different, that somebody'd catch on one of these days. Man, you're elected." -Dizzy Gillespie, to JJ Johnson Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:22:34 -0600 From: Bill Dinwiddie Subject: Gigs Dave Gibson wrote, "BTW, the gig scene is so slow for me right now, that this is all I have to add to the discussion. To keep me from posting things like this (or worse) in the future, give me a gig." Dave, I don't know where you are located but, I can assure you that things are pretty bad in many locations. I live in Chicago and I have zero gigs (so far) in April. Oddly enough, the first three months of this year haven't been too bad. Last year, the first three months were an absolute disaster, so at least there seems to be some improvement over 2002. I wonder how many list members did not work on New Years Eve? Dec. 31, 2002 was the second consecutive NYE that I did not get one call. Before that, I think that I worked every New Years for 40 years straight. I usually got 4 or 5 calls for that night too. I know the market is down, and 9/11 happened, and it looks like we are going to war - but people are still getting married (aren't they?). Many of them are, unfortunately, hiring DJ's, but that is not a new development. Could we hear from other members? How is work in your town so far this year? How was it last year? Any better now? This is probably not going to get us any more gigs, but at least we will have some perspective. Thanks, Bill Dinwiddie bill752d@attbi.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:38:09 -0600 From: Jeff Albert Subject: Re: Gigs January this year was not as good as last year, but I had two unusually good gigs in Jan 2002. February looks to be about the same as last year, which is ok. I worked NYE but it was with a regular group I play with. I didn't get any other calls. I have several friends that didn't work NYE. I have a pretty regular wedding/club date band I play with, and that seems to be about the same as it has been. Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Trombones and related issues forum. [mailto:TROMBONE- > L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU] On Behalf Of Bill Dinwiddie > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 1:23 PM > To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU > Subject: [TBN-L] Gigs > > Dave Gibson wrote, > > "BTW, the gig scene is so slow for me right now, that this is all I have > to > add to the discussion. To keep me from posting things like this (or > worse) > in the future, give me a gig." > > Dave, > > I don't know where you are located but, I can assure you that things are > pretty bad in many locations. I live in Chicago and I have zero gigs (so > far) in April. Oddly enough, the first three months of this year haven't > been too bad. Last year, the first three months were an absolute disaster, > so at least there seems to be some improvement over 2002. > > I wonder how many list members did not work on New Years Eve? Dec. 31, > 2002 > was the second consecutive NYE that I did not get one call. Before that, I > think that I worked every New Years for 40 years straight. I usually got 4 > or 5 calls for that night too. I know the market is down, and 9/11 > happened, > and it looks like we are going to war - but people are still getting > married > (aren't they?). Many of them are, unfortunately, hiring DJ's, but that is > not a new development. > > Could we hear from other members? How is work in your town so far this > year? > How was it last year? Any better now? > > This is probably not going to get us any more gigs, but at least we will > have some perspective. > > Thanks, > Bill Dinwiddie > bill752d@attbi.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:58:49 -0600 From: "D.J. Kennedy" Subject: Re: Gigs///electric bugle available good news here the landmark g=has reopened ---the owner wants to have blues and jazz ----now the budget ---its 250 bucks --- the st louis bass player on top of the list is now asking [and getting] 150 per person ---- but a kid i talked to in a college town says that in that town whole bands are playing for 100 bucks -while older groups are getting 11---1200 -----the piano////keyboard scene is solid at country clubs --- so i told jerry at the landmark maybe for 250 on an off nite something might happen ------------so this week up goes sign karoke ---------- follow up call - --------------- hey jerry when you get when i called up musicontacts and quoted the 250 they all said --------whats that for ???????????? so maybe some type of fancy dinner by presale ticket and maybe a couple of musicians might be able to eat too ---------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ the club scene in st louis is pretty good and it seemed that over half the cats in vegas in the dark time i visited for a show -----met cats from st louis ----------- gambling boats are beginning to hire live acts ---- ---------------- a karoke trombone act is in development could be done w mmo ------ 250 per man ----no way split --- gil evans on piano xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on trombone ------- electric bugle available for gi benefits a donation of 100 bucks to the familys of deceased service musician fund will be accepted before time slotting due to heavy scheduling ---please allow 3 weeks for booking ------- a contigency fee of 50 bucks will be added to the voluntary donation for short notice ------------ good luck to our boys overseas ---- we need the work ------------------------------- Bill Dinwiddie wrote: > Dave Gibson wrote, > > "BTW, the gig scene is so slow for me right now, that this is all I have to > add to the discussion. To keep me from posting things like this (or worse) > in the future, give me a gig." > > Dave, > > I don't know where you are located but, I can assure you that things are > pretty bad in many locations. I live in Chicago and I have zero gigs (so > far) in April. Oddly enough, the first three months of this year haven't > been too bad. Last year, the first three months were an absolute disaster, > so at least there seems to be some improvement over 2002. > > I wonder how many list members did not work on New Years Eve? Dec. 31, 2002 > was the second consecutive NYE that I did not get one call. Before that, I > think that I worked every New Years for 40 years straight. I usually got 4 > or 5 calls for that night too. I know the market is down, and 9/11 happened, > and it looks like we are going to war - but people are still getting married > (aren't they?). Many of them are, unfortunately, hiring DJ's, but that is > not a new development. > > Could we hear from other members? How is work in your town so far this year? > How was it last year? Any better now? > > This is probably not going to get us any more gigs, but at least we will > have some perspective. > > Thanks, > Bill Dinwiddie > bill752d@attbi.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:02:14 -0600 From: "D.J. Kennedy" Subject: Re: instrument for sale////////mira tuba 4 sale good luck with tuba sale Tom Brozene wrote: > Hi everyone, this is my first time on this mailing > list, and so I thought what better a use of it then to > tell you guys of my instrument for sale. Now its not > a trombone but its just as good. It is a Mirafone 186 > Tuba. Brand new, practically never been played, > although I must say I had to have the bell fixed up, > because I kind of dented it up. The good news about > that is that you have to squint really really hard to > see the scar, but other than that and some other real > minor dings, it plays like a dream. The four rotors > on it are spectacular. Not only do you get the tuba, > but for no extra charge, you get a mouthpiece, a gig > bag,(that you can carry on your back like a back pack) > valve oil, spindle oil, and a tuba stand. Now how > about that deal? Now I bet you guys are wondering how > much it costs? Well let me tell you, I bought it > brand new, hand picked from Germany, for $4850, but > because of the scar and the dings, I am willing to > sell it to anyone of you guys for $4300-4500, obo. > Plus I could really use the money right now, at Long > Beach State. So if anyone of you guys are interested > in my offer, pleeeease don't hesitate to email me and > let me know. Or even if you know of someone who might > be interested in buying my tuba from me, I would > greatly appreiciate it. Or even if you dont want it, > let me know, so I get some kind of reponse. > Thanks for your time > Tom > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:52:53 -0500 From: Eric Dregne Subject: Re: Gigs Greetings, I am in Cleveland, Ohio and was very fortunate to get involved with a group in this area called "Roberto Ocasio's Latin Jazz Project". This group gigs like an absolute fiend from mid March through mid September. Yes the time has been slow for that band too since about November, but part of that is because it is the recovery from playing so much the previous few months (16 dates in August alone). Robert (The band leader) plays 2 - 3 nights a week with smaller versions of the group but he has also been adding us 2 other horn players (sax and myself) to some quintet gigs. It has averaged out to about 3 gigs a month. Not too bad. If you happen to go www.latinjazzproject.com, you will see that we are already booking things into November of this year. Other work is slow. I book a jazz sextet that had one gig so far this year and 1 full 16 piece big band which has had one gig this year. I play in two community groups also but those are gratus gigs and typical 3-times-a-year community college concerts. I also subbed on another big band here in Cleveland (Ernie Krivda and The Fat Tuesday big band). So there's my life story for playing. Always looking for more but sounding much more fortunate than others. Glad to be gigging, Eric Dregne Tenor/Bass Trombones Bill Dinwiddie To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU cc: Sent by: "Trombones Subject: [TBN-L] Gigs and related issues forum." 02/25/03 02:22 PM Please respond to Bill Dinwiddie Dave Gibson wrote, "BTW, the gig scene is so slow for me right now, that this is all I have to add to the discussion. To keep me from posting things like this (or worse) in the future, give me a gig." Dave, I don't know where you are located but, I can assure you that things are pretty bad in many locations. I live in Chicago and I have zero gigs (so far) in April. Oddly enough, the first three months of this year haven't been too bad. Last year, the first three months were an absolute disaster, so at least there seems to be some improvement over 2002. I wonder how many list members did not work on New Years Eve? Dec. 31, 2002 was the second consecutive NYE that I did not get one call. Before that, I think that I worked every New Years for 40 years straight. I usually got 4 or 5 calls for that night too. I know the market is down, and 9/11 happened, and it looks like we are going to war - but people are still getting married (aren't they?). Many of them are, unfortunately, hiring DJ's, but that is not a new development. Could we hear from other members? How is work in your town so far this year? How was it last year? Any better now? This is probably not going to get us any more gigs, but at least we will have some perspective. Thanks, Bill Dinwiddie bill752d@attbi.com ========== The preceding e-mail message (including any attachments) contains information that may be confidential, be protected by the attorney-client or other applicable privileges, or constitute non-public information. It is intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then delete it from your system. Use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this message by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be unlawful. ========== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:19:55 -0500 From: "Avery, Ray (232)" Subject: Re: facial hair I've had facial hair for the most part of 25 years now. Experimented years ago with the Amish look - beard and no moustache - but that didn't last long. When I got back into trombone seriously about 5 years ago, I realized the moustache effected my playing. Since I've been keeping trimmed very short - I use the lowest setting on my beard trimmer. When it starts to get longer, it effects my sound. Ray Avery Director, Human Resources Harvard Custom Manufacturing, Inc. 607-687-7669 -----Original Message----- From: DSlide13@AOL.COM [mailto:DSlide13@AOL.COM] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 1:04 PM To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU Subject: [TBN-L] facial hair Anyone here have any thoughts on playing with a moustache? I've had a moustache consistently for the last 10 years. Not only does it cover up my 'ring', but it seems to allow me to make minor shift adjustments without too much trouble. Yesterday, I shave my moustache and when I played it felt great. I imagine the feeling will even out soon. I liken the euphoric state that I experienced to trying a new mouthpiece. At first, it feels so much better, but eventually you find that the same problems exist. I'll probably keep shaving for a while and see what happens. I hope my 'ring' doesn't gross anyone out. Time will tell. BTW, the gig scene is so slow for me right now, that this is all I have to add to the discussion. To keep me from posting things like this (or worse) in the future, give me a gig. Peace, David Gibson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:45:09 -0500 From: Tom G Tyson Subject: Eric Ewazen - Hymn for the Lost and the Living One of the bands I play in (Richmond (VA) Concert Band) recently played the Eric Ewazen piece "A Hymn for the Lost and the Living" in reaction to the loss of the Space Shuttle Columbia. This piece is not nearly as demanding as some of his other works, such as his Trombone Concerto. It is eminently playable by amateur concert bands and audiences seem to connect well with it. I would recommend it without reservation for any concert band that is playing a memorial or a "heroes" type concert. Tom Tyson Bass Trombone Richmond Concert Band ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:50:41 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee Subject: Fwd: [TBN-L] Eric Ewazen - Hymn for the Lost and the Living Let me second that. I've played it on several concerts. It is a really inspired work, and certainly within the reach of intermediate high school bands. >From: Tom G Tyson > >One of the bands I play in (Richmond (VA) Concert Band) recently played >the Eric Ewazen piece "A Hymn for the Lost and the Living" in reaction >to the loss of the Space Shuttle Columbia. > >This piece is not nearly as demanding as some of his other works, such >as his Trombone Concerto. It is eminently playable by amateur concert >bands and audiences seem to connect well with it. > >I would recommend it without reservation for any concert band that is >playing a memorial or a "heroes" type concert. > >Tom Tyson >Bass Trombone >Richmond Concert Band ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:51:21 -0700 From: James Scott Subject: Re: good news for Calgary Gabe - Yes we're back playing again! There's only a skeleton office crew, so many musicians have been taking on extra reponsibilities (like we did during the whole bankruptcy protection process), and we're making do without some luxuries like glossy programs, etc. There's also a group of influential local business people who are working to establish a serious endowment fund to prevent us from ever getting to this point again, and the new plans also call for hiring a highly experienced fund development team in the office as well. There are some risks for the musicians in the plan for next season with regards to some compensation issues, but we feel that we have a team that's working together - management, players and board - to get to common goals. Also, we'll be doing some different kinds of concerts to try to bring in new audiences, and to generate more revenue from "sold service" events. I was going to write about this to the list, but didn't want to get too off topic from trombones, etc. Since there was a thread going around before with " CPO demise - sad!" as a heading, I guess we can also share the good news. Besides, with the thread going around about slow times for gigs, at least 3 trombonists are working these days who haven't been doing too much for the last 4 months! Wish us all luck with "Keeping the music alive" as it says on our web site. Thanks! Jim Scott Gabriel Langfur wrote: >I read this on Andante.com today. I hope this news is as >good as it sounds, particularly for listmember Jim Scott... > >Gabe > >Calgary Herald / andante - 13 February 2003 > > > >The Calgary Philharmonic could begin performing again as >soon as next week thanks to a grant from the federal >government in Ottawa, the Calgary Herald reports. > >The Canadian government agreed Wednesday to give the >orchestra C$250,000, the last bit of financing the CPO >needed to get its finances in order, the newspaper says. >"We'll be a partner in the short- and long-term strategy to >keep the symphony not only afloat, but growing," Canadian >Heritage Minister Sheila Copps told the Herald. > >The orchestra, which filed for bankruptcy protection in >October and suspended its season, had been trying to raise >C$1.5 million from public and private sources to resume >operations and put a new business model in place. Thanks to >the contribution from Ottawa, as well as matching grants >from the provincial and municipal governments and C$800,000 >in private pledges, the orchestra has exceeded its goal, >the Herald says. > >With the financing in place, the orchestra can begin paying >its creditors and complete the rest of its concert season. >The first performance is likely to be a 19 February concert >scheduled as part of the CPO's Baroque series. > >Ñ Michael Markowitz > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more >http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:00:11 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo Subject: Re: Eric Ewazen - Hymn for the Lost and the Living An excellent work, composed by Eric in response to the 9.11.01 tragedies. It was recorded by the USAF Heritage of America Band (Langley Air Force Base) on their CD "Early Light." The CD is, unfortunately, not for sale (as government property it can only given away for public use). Your college or public library can request copies of recordings made by US military bands. Well worth hearing. -Doug Yeo ===== At 4:45 PM -0500 2/25/03, Tom G Tyson wrote: >One of the bands I play in (Richmond (VA) Concert Band) recently played >the Eric Ewazen piece "A Hymn for the Lost and the Living" in reaction >to the loss of the Space Shuttle Columbia. -- Douglas Yeo Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra Music Director, The New England Brass Band dyeo@rcn.com /// yeo@yeodoug.com http://www.yeodoug.com <>< ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:36:02 -0600 From: "Isaac J. Roorda" Subject: Re: mouthpiece mass Two words, man: glide step. Isaac, who marched a 7-mile parade in January ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [TBN-L] mouthpiece mass > Gotta go home at lunch and practice. Sigh. I signed up for a parade this > weekend, I did part of my morning warmup today marching in place. Ugghh, > I'd forgotten how hard it is to play with the mouthpiece bouncing. Stepped > on a hairbrush, too, in bare feet. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:51:02 -0500 From: Steve McGovern Subject: Re: Eric Ewazen - Hymn for the Lost and the Living Quoting Douglas Yeo: > The CD is, unfortunately, not for sale (as government property it can only > given away for public use). There are some websites that sell US military band CDs -- www.militarymusic.com, for example. Are they doing something they shouldn't? - Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:53:47 +0000 From: posaune rex Subject: Re: Chicago Lyric I heard John Schwalm advanced past the prelims - that's all I heard as of 2/15. Anyone hear any more? When I have more info it'll all be up on my webpage... stacy http://remember.to/practice ---------------------------------------------------------- >Have the preliminary rounds for the Chicago Lyric Opera bass >bone position taken place? > >Does anybody here know who made the final round? _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:07:06 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo Subject: Re: Military band recordings Most US military band recordings carry the following (service specific): "This Compact disc is not for sale. It is approved by the Department of the Air Force (DAF) for use in public service broadcasting, recruiting, educational activities, troop morale and retention, and is to be used only within the scope of these DAF activities." Libraries and non-profit organizations can get military band recordings free by writing to the band on organization letterhead. Recordings will then be sent free of charge, with the stipulation that they get as wide a hearing as is possible. The new England Brass Band, of which I am music director, is a non-profit organization which gets US Marine Band recordings regularly. We pass them among our members to help educate our members about good wind playing. I can't account for some military band recordings which are for sale, perhaps someone who actually plays in such a group can add to this thread. -Doug Yeo -- Douglas Yeo Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra Music Director, The New England Brass Band dyeo@rcn.com /// yeo@yeodoug.com http://www.yeodoug.com <>< ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:22:10 -0600 From: "Monte B. Price" Subject: Re: Eric Ewazen - Hymn for the Lost and the Living According to their web site, they license the rights from the U.S. Government. A quote from their press kit at http://www.militarymusic.com/pk2.htm "Altissimo! Recordings now catalogs 23 albums, with four new projects released each year. The music, all licensed from the U.S. Armed Forces, includes brass concert standards as well as jazz and bluegrass. " This endeavor presents an opportunity for many of us to hear these fine musicians. At 05:51 PM 2/25/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Quoting Douglas Yeo: > > The CD is, unfortunately, not for sale (as government property it can only > > given away for public use). > >There are some websites that sell US military band CDs -- >www.militarymusic.com, for example. Are they doing something they shouldn't? > >- Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 19:30:00 -0600 From: "D.J. Kennedy" Subject: Re: Military band recordings joe jackson of the note -----may have a few comments ??????????????? Douglas Yeo wrote: > Most US military band recordings carry the following (service specific): > > "This Compact disc is not for sale. It is approved by the Department > of the Air Force (DAF) for use in public service broadcasting, > recruiting, educational activities, troop morale and retention, and > is to be used only within the scope of these DAF activities." > > Libraries and non-profit organizations can get military band > recordings free by writing to the band on organization letterhead. > Recordings will then be sent free of charge, with the stipulation > that they get as wide a hearing as is possible. The new England > Brass Band, of which I am music director, is a non-profit > organization which gets US Marine Band recordings regularly. We pass > them among our members to help educate our members about good wind > playing. > > I can't account for some military band recordings which are for sale, > perhaps someone who actually plays in such a group can add to this > thread. > > -Doug Yeo > -- > > Douglas Yeo > Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra > Music Director, The New England Brass Band > > dyeo@rcn.com /// yeo@yeodoug.com > http://www.yeodoug.com > > <>< ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 00:56:25 +0000 From: Daniel Pliskin Subject: Re: facial hair >Anyone here have any thoughts on playing with a moustache? I play with one of those stupid looking scruffy, short beards. It works OK and I didn't noice any difference, when I tried shaving my face. But if I let it get too long, I can't play as well. Ron Barron, first trombone for the Boston Symphony, has a full mustache and feels that it helps his playing. I trust he knows what he's talking about, even though it doesn't work for me. Do yourself a favor and don't try shaving until it warms up a bit. I always catch a cold, when I shave my face. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:03:54 -0700 From: Dennis Clason Subject: Re: Military band recordings > Libraries and non-profit organizations can get military band > recordings free by writing to the band on organization letterhead. > Recordings will then be sent free of charge, with the stipulation > that they get as wide a hearing as is possible. The new England > Brass Band, of which I am music director, is a non-profit > organization which gets US Marine Band recordings regularly. We pass > them among our members to help educate our members about good wind > playing. That is a great idea -- I'm going to suggest that the MVCB do this. > I can't account for some military band recordings which are for sale, > perhaps someone who actually plays in such a group can add to this > thread. I know that the Musical Heretic's errrr Heritage Society sells some Marine Corps Band recordings. Very fine recordings they are, too. Because it's government-funded work, I believe the recordings are in the public domain. At least, I can't understand why the situation would be different than it is for software (and there was a lot of it) developed under NIH and NSF grants. Of course, that leaves open the question of composer's royalties, which would be payable from an organization selling the discs as MHS does. Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 20:26:16 -0500 From: David Fetter Subject: Someone Seeking Morceau Dear Netheads, I received a telephone message today, February 25, which I could not understand from someone in New Jersey seeking my arrangement for orchestra of the piano accompaniment of Morceau Symphonique. If you by chance know who this person is, please ask him to contact me. Thanks, David Fetter, digest subscriber 410 889-2277 work 410 659-8100, ext. 1254 Peabody Conservatory and Preparatory Trombone Faculties Associate Dean for Performance Activities and Placement 1 East Mt. Vernon Place Baltimore, MD 21202 David Fetter - Music for Brass (Mostly) Home page: gigue.peabody.jhu.edu/~davidf/ _________________________________________________________________________ This mail sent via toadmail.com, web e-mail @ ToadNet - want to go fast? http://www.toadmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:07:23 -0600 From: "D.J. Kennedy" Subject: Military band recordings///// thanks joe////// i hope the list monitor fixes your ability to post you got a keen sense of humor about this subject Joe Jackson wrote: > DJ, > > I subscribed to the Trombone List but cannot respond directly to the > list as my application to join the list has to be approved. Could you > forward this to the list? > > ***************** > Mr. Yeo is correct, in that the Department of Defense distributes > recordings following the general guidelines listed. > > It is also true that some companies have remastered certain recordings > of military bands (presumably using CDs as the master), duplicating and > selling them. For example, there are several Airmen of Note CDs that > are sold by Seabreeze and Altissimo Records. > > These CDs are sold without the approval of the Department of Defense or > the military bands that produce them. Given that, the military bands or > their members are not hurt by this since nobody in the Department of > Defense or the military bands receive royalties for the lawful > distribution of our recordings. > > In fact, one may posit that these labels are (as long as the quality and > presentation of the CD products are keeping with the images that the > bands and the DOD wish to project) in fact doing our mission for us, > that is, providing the public with wider access to our recordings, > thereby helping us in our mission of influencing the minds of the > American public that their military is highly professional and ready to > do the job of protecting the American public. (Please note that this is > my personal opinion, and not the official position of the Air Force Band > or the Department of Defense.) > > There are, however, people who are technically wronged by the illicit > commercial distribution of military band CDs. When the Air Force Band > produces a CD, we pay royalties to the owners of the copyrights of the > non-public domain music compositions (not the arrangers). I would > assume the record companies that are doing this are not paying > subsequent royalites. So if there are any victims in this situation, it > would likely be the Sonys and Warner Brothers of the world. > > Joe Jackson > Lead Trombonist > Airmen of Note > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: D.J. Kennedy [mailto:djpens@midwest.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 8:30 PM > > To: Douglas Yeo > > Cc: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU; joejackson Jackson > > Subject: Re: [TBN-L] Military band recordings > > > > > > joe jackson of the note -----may have a few comments ??????????????? > > > > Douglas Yeo wrote: > > > > > Most US military band recordings carry the following (service > > > specific): > > > > > > "This Compact disc is not for sale. It is approved by the > > Department > > > of the Air Force (DAF) for use in public service broadcasting, > > > recruiting, educational activities, troop morale and > > retention, and is > > > to be used only within the scope of these DAF activities." > > > > > > Libraries and non-profit organizations can get military band > > > recordings free by writing to the band on organization letterhead. > > > Recordings will then be sent free of charge, with the > > stipulation that > > > they get as wide a hearing as is possible. The new England Brass > > > Band, of which I am music director, is a non-profit > > organization which > > > gets US Marine Band recordings regularly. We pass them among our > > > members to help educate our members about good wind playing. > > > > > > I can't account for some military band recordings which are > > for sale, > > > perhaps someone who actually plays in such a group can add to this > > > thread. > > > > > > -Doug Yeo > > > -- > > > > > > Douglas Yeo > > > Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra > > > Music Director, The New England Brass Band > > > > > > dyeo@rcn.com /// yeo@yeodoug.com > > > http://www.yeodoug.com > > > > > > <>< > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:48:40 -0500 From: Jim Dexter Subject: Re: facial hair This was a subject of discussion not too awful long ago. I am convinced playing without facial hair improves my playing, especially in the area of range. I played with the stache as well as a full beard for years, but mostly played middle staff stuff. I don't think I could play consistently above G above the staff with face hair now. But that ring can be annoying all right. People look at you funny when you go into a liquid refreshement place after a gig or rehearsal! Jim Dexter On 25 Feb 2003 at 13:04, DSlide13@AOL.COM wrote: > Anyone here have any thoughts on playing with a moustache? > > I've had a moustache consistently for the last 10 years. Not only does > it cover up my 'ring', but it seems to allow me to make minor shift > adjustments without too much trouble. Yesterday, I shave my moustache > and when I played it felt great. I imagine the feeling will even out > soon. I liken the euphoric state that I experienced to trying a new > mouthpiece. At first, it feels so much better, but eventually you find > that the same problems exist. > > I'll probably keep shaving for a while and see what happens. I hope my > 'ring' doesn't gross anyone out. Time will tell. > > BTW, the gig scene is so slow for me right now, that this is all I have > to add to the discussion. To keep me from posting things like this (or > worse) in the future, give me a gig. > > Peace, > > David Gibson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:51:28 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess Subject: Re: facial hair This has been discussed on the list before. I shaved my moustache, actually -- one that I had had for over 25 years! At first, it felt pretty good -- especially in the low register. Then, I realized that my mouthpiece was slipping and sliding and I didn't like the way that felt. I grew mine back. I have a better "seal" with the darned thing. Go figure. This is a personal thing, I suppose. But having a short moustache just works for me. --Wayne Dyess >Anyone here have any thoughts on playing with a moustache? > >I've had a moustache consistently for the last 10 years. Not only >does it cover up my 'ring', but it seems to allow me to make minor >shift adjustments without too much trouble. Yesterday, I shave my >moustache and when I played it felt great. I imagine the feeling >will even out soon. I liken the euphoric state that I experienced >to trying a new mouthpiece. At first, it feels so much better, but >eventually you find that the same problems exist. > >I'll probably keep shaving for a while and see what happens. I hope >my 'ring' doesn't gross anyone out. Time will tell. > >BTW, the gig scene is so slow for me right now, that this is all I >have to add to the discussion. To keep me from posting things like >this (or worse) in the future, give me a gig. > >Peace, > >David Gibson -- ========================= Dr. J. Wayne Dyess, Professor of Music Lamar University Music Department P. O. Box 10044 Beaumont, Texas 77710 409-880-8146 FAX: 409-880-8143 dyessjw@hal.lamar.edu http://www.lamar.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 20:07:52 -0800 From: Larry White Subject: Re: While we're on the topic of mouthpieces... Daniel. In my humble opinion, it is for the same reason auto makers make so many different styles of automobiles, etc. To make money. If the option is there, people are going to buy one. If "Joe Blow" states he gets a better sound with a certain mouthpiece, his buddy will have to have one and on and on and on. Personally, I use a Denis Wick 0AL mouthpiece and was told to put an enhancer on it. I do not notice the difference in sound myself, but my B/M told me just last week my sound was much better. (He wondered if I was practising more?) I do find, when I am in shape, my lower pedal registers are more full than they used to be when I was using my Marcinkowich (sp) Geo Roberts model. I don't really notice any difference in the upper register now either. Mind you, with my dentures and embouchure, Just a few comments from a very humble bass bone player. Larry White Daniel Pliskin wrote:.. > > But why would mouthpiece manufacturers make moouthpieces in regular and heavy > configurations, if there wasn't any difference? > > DanP > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ End of TROMBONE-L Digest - 24 Feb 2003 to 25 Feb 2003 (#2003-56) ****************************************************************