Subject: TROMBONE-L Digest - 15 Feb 2003 to 16 Feb 2003 (#2003-47) Date: Monday, February 17, 2003 12:00 AM From: Automatic digest processor Reply-To: "Trombones and related issues forum." To: Recipients of TROMBONE-L digests There are 10 messages totalling 1374 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. TROMBONE-L Digest - 14 Feb 2003 to 15 Feb 2003 (#2003-46) 2. brass doubling 3. If you had to pick one - (2) 4. If you had to pick one (trombone/band feature) 5. Jazz az History in Moscow, Idaho 6. bone/trumpet double 7. [TubaEuph] MC: Vibrato -the quick answer 8. Ron Anson 9. Vladislav Blazhevich ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 07:51:38 -0800 From: Chip Tingle Subject: Re: TROMBONE-L Digest - 14 Feb 2003 to 15 Feb 2003 (#2003-46) Greetings, I thought I would copy the listings I just found on Kendor's site, hopefully to help clarify what is and isn't available as of now. I, too, look forward to more of Pederson's quality stuff being re-released asap, and applaud Mike Suter's efforts. Cheers, Chip Tingle SF bay area freelancer 415.898.8381 KENDOR MUSIC SEARCH RESULTS 10 CHRISTMAS DUETS FOR TWO TINSEL TROMBONES - PEDERSON [NL]Series TROMBONE DUET[NL]Grade 2-3 Features 2 TENOR TROMBONES Item # 17490 Price $10 TEN CHRISTMAS CAROLS FOR TROMBONE QUINTET/1ST TROMBONE - TRADITIONAL / PEDERSON [NL]Series TROMBONE QUINTET[NL]Grade 5 Item # 17880 Price $5 TEN CHRISTMAS CAROLS FOR TROMBONE QUINTET/2ND TROMBONE - TRADITIONAL / PEDERSON [NL]Series TROMBONE QUINTET[NL]Grade 5 Item # 17890 Price $5 TEN CHRISTMAS CAROLS FOR TROMBONE QUINTET/3RD TROMBONE - TRADITIONAL / PEDERSON [NL]Series TROMBONE QUINTET[NL]Grade 5 Item # 17900 Price $5 TEN CHRISTMAS CAROLS FOR TROMBONE QUINTET/4TH TROMBONE - TRADITIONAL / PEDERSON [NL]Series TROMBONE QUINTET[NL]Grade 5 Item # 17910 Price $5 TEN CHRISTMAS CAROLS FOR TROMBONE QUINTET/BASS TROMBONE - TRADITIONAL / PEDERSON [NL]Series TROMBONE QUINTET[NL]Grade 5 Item # 17920 Price $5 TEN CHRISTMAS CAROLS FOR TROMBONE QUINTET/FULL SCORE - TRADITIONAL / PEDERSON [NL]Series TROMBONE QUINTET[NL]Grade 5 Item # 17870 Price $9 TEN CHRISTMAS CAROLS FOR TROMBONE QUINTET/SET - TRADITIONAL / PEDERSON [NL]Series TROMBONE QUINTET[NL]Grade 5 Item # 17930 Price $34 TEN DUETS FOR BASS TROMBONE - PEDERSON [NL]Series TROMBONE DUET[NL]Grade 4 Features 2 BASS TROMBONES Item # 17500 Price $10 TEN DUETS FOR TENOR AND BASS TROMBONE - PEDERSON [NL]Series TROMBONE DUET[NL]Grade 4 Features TENOR TROMBONE AND BASS TROMBONE Item # 17520 Price $10 TEN DUETS FOR TENOR TROMBONE - PEDERSON [NL]Series TROMBONE DUET[NL]Grade 4 Features 2 TENOR TROMBONES Item # 17510 Price $10 TEN DUETS FOR TROMBONE - PEDERSON [NL]Series TROMBONE DUET[NL]Grade 2-3 Features 2 TENOR TROMBONES Item # 17530 Price $10 TEN TRIOS FOR TROMBONE - PEDERSON [NL]Series TROMBONE TRIO[NL]Grade 2 Features 3 TENOR TROMBONES Item # 17640 Price $12 TENOR TROMBONE TRIOS FOR PLAYERS WHO KNOW EVERYTHING, VOLUME 1 - PEDERSON [NL]Series TROMBONE TRIO[NL]Grade 4-5 Features 3 TENOR TROMBONES Item # 17620 Price $12 UNACCOMPANIED SOLOS FOR BASS TROMBONE, VOLUME 1 - PEDERSON [NL]Series BASS TROMBONE SOLO[NL]Grade 4 Item # 12800 Price $10 UNACCOMPANIED SOLOS FOR TENOR TROMBONE, VOLUME 1 - PEDERSON [NL]Series TROMBONE SOLO[NL]Grade 5 Item # 12630 Price $9 UNACCOMPANIED SOLOS FOR TENOR TROMBONE, VOLUME 2 - PEDERSON [NL]Series TROMBONE SOLO[NL]Grade 5 Item # 12640 Price $10 UNACCOMPANIED SOLOS FOR TENOR TROMBONE, VOLUME 5 - PEDERSON [NL]Series TROMBONE SOLO[NL]Grade 5 Item # 12670 Price $10 -----Original Message----- From: Trombones and related issues forum. [mailto:TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU]On Behalf Of Automatic digest processor Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 10:00 PM To: Recipients of TROMBONE-L digests Subject: TROMBONE-L Digest - 14 Feb 2003 to 15 Feb 2003 (#2003-46) There are 21 messages totalling 957 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. bone/trumpet double (2) 2. LATEX Trombones Website/CD 3. bone/trumpet double trouble ????????? (4) 4. brass doubling (5) 5. TR-181 on Ebay 6. Copy compensation? (was: Pederson Intermediate BTRB Etudes) 7. FW: [TBN-L] Copy compensation? (was: Pederson Intermediate BTRB Etudes) 8. from Suter re: Tommy Pederson Etudes 9. Encore 10. trombones////////////small bell update//cruise ship//local work 11. Velvet Brown concerts 12. Pederson Etudes (2) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 12:19:25 -0600 From: Jeff Albert Subject: bone/trumpet double Have any of you had any experience doubling on trumpet and trombone? I know there are a couple of known players that do it well (Tom Malone, James Morrison, Tower of Power usually has a trumpet player that doubles valve bone). I was just look for any experience and insight into the trials and tribulations of any list members that do it, or have tried to do it. Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com ----------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 13:38:37 EST From: ROSEBONE@AOL.COM Subject: LATEX Trombones Website/CD For those of you who had asked earlier about the CD release, and information about how to get it: The LATEX Trombones has a website up with information about the group, and information about companies which are handling the distribution. If you would like more info about the group and the CD, the URL is: htt://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-latextrombones Thanks, Bill Rose McNeese State University Lake Charles, LA rosebone@aol.com ----------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 13:47:32 -0600 From: "D.J. Kennedy" Subject: bone/trumpet double trouble ????????? i have tried it several times ///cornet //alto //horn // there is a st louis player brian --cornet --who does a good job on bone also -- and in cape girardeau -trombonist who doubles on trumpet --------------- roy barnes in kentucky //french horn //screech trumpet //trombone !!!!!!!! --------- i had ok luck with bigger cup trumpet mpcs --bigger than 7c---- a cornet like bundy shepard crook is really easy to blow it sounds blatty at first --but if your bone chops are up like rocks it can be done -- bill watrous advised against it ---- trumpet ..valve bonists ----there are quite a few usually opting for 12c or smaller sometimes much smaller mpcs ----and 485 bore v bones ---that big bone blowers find stuffy ------------------------ practicing euph is kinda the bridge to it all----- i have to do it pretty much constantly as double --but lately not -----so cornet chops would be double trouble Jeff Albert wrote: > Have any of you had any experience doubling on trumpet and trombone? I > know there are a couple of known players that do it well (Tom Malone, > James Morrison, Tower of Power usually has a trumpet player that doubles > valve bone). I was just look for any experience and insight into the > trials and tribulations of any list members that do it, or have tried to > do it. > > Jeff Albert > > www.jeffalbert.com ----------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 15:09:35 -0500 From: "Paul D. Kemp Jr." Subject: Re: bone/trumpet double trouble ????????? There are always going to be a few ":freaks" in the world that can double on everything and sound pretty good, but by-in-large, it is not a very accepted practice. Even within the family of trombones, there are many people that try to double on tenor and bass trombone, and invariably, I can assure you that even the best people that can do it will favor one instrument over the other. Having to play on mouthpieces that are hugely different in order to get even a remotely characteristic sound on the different instruments is extremely difficult. There's even enough difference between a 6.5A and a 5G to cause enough havoc to screw up some people. I have an alto trombone, and I use a 12C with it, and I do have to practice it consistently in order to be consistent on the instrument. I can tell you right now--my alto playing is kinda atrocious right now because I don't break it out and practice it. I can even pick up my daughter's trumpet and I can get a few notes on it, but they really don't sound like much. Usually, what I've found is that it's not much of a problem going to smaller mouthpieces (except in the case of a trumpet or horn) but it's going to larger mouthpieces that really fry me. Especially bass trombone mouthpieces, because the aperture is much larger and it requires so much more air than a tenor in order to make it work that I'd have to practice long tones on a bass trombones for about 3-4 weeks before I could even come close to doing it remote justice. However, when going back to the tenor trombone, the deeper breathing is a major help--it actually makes it easier. So--doubling, in my humble opinion, is the exception rather than the rule. Perhaps I should add here that different people will get different mileage---in other words, different strokes for different folks. Paul Kemp Chattanooga Symphony www.trbnplyr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "D.J. Kennedy" To: Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 2:47 PM Subject: [TBN-L] bone/trumpet double trouble ????????? > i have tried it several times ///cornet //alto //horn // > there is a st louis player brian --cornet --who does a good job on > bone also -- > and in cape girardeau -trombonist who doubles on trumpet > --------------- > roy barnes in kentucky //french horn //screech trumpet //trombone > !!!!!!!! > --------- > i had ok luck with bigger cup trumpet mpcs --bigger than 7c---- > a cornet like bundy shepard crook is really easy to blow > it sounds blatty at first --but if your bone chops are up like rocks > it can be done -- > bill watrous advised against it ---- > trumpet ..valve bonists ----there are quite a few > usually opting for 12c or smaller sometimes much smaller mpcs > ----and 485 bore v bones ---that big bone blowers find stuffy > ------------------------ > practicing euph is kinda the bridge to it all----- > i have to do it pretty much constantly as double > --but lately not -----so cornet chops would be double trouble > > Jeff Albert wrote: > > > Have any of you had any experience doubling on trumpet and trombone? I > > know there are a couple of known players that do it well (Tom Malone, > > James Morrison, Tower of Power usually has a trumpet player that doubles > > valve bone). I was just look for any experience and insight into the > > trials and tribulations of any list members that do it, or have tried to > > do it. > > > > Jeff Albert > > > > www.jeffalbert.com > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003 ----------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 15:41:49 -0500 From: Harlan Feinstein Subject: brass doubling Jeff> Have any of you had any experience doubling on trumpet and Jeff> trombone? Yeah, I play trumpet, horn, and trombone, a pretty even mix of all three. Most of my work is in pit orchestras, so most of the time I know in advance what I'm going to have to be up on, and when. That gives me time to tailor my practice routines for a couple weeks beforehand, if I need it on that instrument. Doing this does sacrifice the extreme registers on the instruments, for the most part; I guess I'm not letting muscles specialize for one embouchure, unless they're muscles that are used in common with all the embouchures I'm doing. On the other hand, it doubles (or more) my chances of getting into a given pit orchestra. --Harlan ----------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 20:52:52 -0000 From: Adrian Drover Subject: Re: bone/trumpet double trouble ????????? From: "Paul D. Kemp Jr." > Usually, what I've found is that it's not much of a problem going to > smaller mouthpieces (except in the case of a trumpet or horn) but it's going > to larger mouthpieces that really fry me. Now Paul, that is strange. I find the opposite to be true with me. I started as a kid on cornet/trumpet. Later (after leaving school) turned to saxes and reeds. Later decided to dabble with trombone as a double. Got to like it. Finally discovered my real love was bass trombone. The only instrument I am confident with as a double now is tuba. I will never accept a gig on tenor trombone. The range is no problem. I just can't get a decent sound on it anymore. I will play the 3rd chair in a quartet only if I'm allowed to do it on my bass. I guess multi-doubling is OK for the guy who is prepared to spend lots of time practicing every instrument. I prefer to use the time at my arranging and composing desk. A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ----------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:13:40 -0600 From: "D.J. Kennedy" Subject: Re: brass doubling so do you double on the same gig ?? ---like reed players and trumpets on pics etc ---- christian lindberg ---wow --alto //sym tenor on the same concert !!!!!!! ------ bones malone blows some bari sax and trumpet plus bone on daves show Harlan Feinstein wrote: > Jeff> Have any of you had any experience doubling on trumpet and > Jeff> trombone? > > Yeah, I play trumpet, horn, and trombone, a pretty even mix of all > three. Most of my work is in pit orchestras, so most of the time I > know in advance what I'm going to have to be up on, and when. That > gives me time to tailor my practice routines for a couple weeks > beforehand, if I need it on that instrument. > > Doing this does sacrifice the extreme registers on the instruments, for > the most part; I guess I'm not letting muscles specialize for one > embouchure, unless they're muscles that are used in common with all the > embouchures I'm doing. On the other hand, it doubles (or more) my > chances of getting into a given pit orchestra. > > --Harlan ----------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:17:27 -0700 From: David Oliver Subject: TR-181 on Ebay Hmmm.... I don't think I've seen the t-list this slow for a while. Anyway, I just hopped onto ebay and noticed a late 70's Holton TR-181 bass trombone. I'm very happy with my mid-80's model, and think it's better than the newer TR-181's for a few reasons (I've also been told the same thing from folks who've played my horn). If I were going low cost & "new" I'd probably look at a Getzen, but for a used horn this would be a good one. I have no idea who the seller is, but thought someone on the list might be looking for a good used bass trombone for less than $1200. Being a TR-181 person myself, I can't recommend these older ones more highly - especially if you don't want to spend too much. I think the auction goes on for 3 more days. Here's the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2508066728&category=16216 David Oliver Broomfield, Colorado USA Trombone, Denver Concert Band ----------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:13:11 -0500 From: Bill Redgate Subject: Re: bone/trumpet double Mr Albert; I have done this fairly regularly for a while now. I played Trombone in the Air Force Band many many years ago - and after getting out the only work I could get was trumpet - so why not. I still do - I play Trombone in Local community bands and subbing for the Big Bands around town - and I play Trumpet as a regular in a big band as well. My belief is that it helps to centre the chops a bit - at least it feels like that on my face. The better I maintain my trumpet chops, the easier tonal precision becomes on other instruments - such as trombone and Euphonium. I also feel that going the other way helps as well. Playing Tuba is one of the best things I have ever done for the other instruments I play. Mr Feistein points out extreme ranges as a problem. I find that only on the instruments at the edge of my experience - Trumpet and Tuba - and with practice it is getting better. And I do have a functional level of range as it stands - its only the extreme ranges. They are there - just not like I'd like. Unlike DJ, I actually need to use a much smaller mouthpiece than average to make a trumpet do what I want it to reliably. But I am still at the point of rebuilding chops. I laid off for a number of years and am only two years back into my renaissance. Maybe later..... Mr Kemp's point on going from smaller to bigger mouthpieces is valid in my experience as well - at least in the smaller sense. On a given day I always rather start with the smaller mouthpiece if I have the option - it's infinitely more comfortable and easier to manage. And yes. Mr Kemp, as multiple doubler "freak" is something that crosses my path with a fair degree of regularity. but there is an advantage to it. When I tell folks I am playing at such and so place this weekend, and they ask. "What do you play?" My answer is simply "Music" The point being that the physical thing involved is not as important as what is being done with it. Most folks here are burdened with a good professional reputation and at least a fair degree of personal and professional pride. As I have neither of those, doubling is easy. In order to begin on a new instrument after you have attained a degree of proficiency on another, you have to ( or I had to ) lose all that pride you had in the way you sound and start just like you're a kid again. At least it's easier because you know the process. Also worth noting is the degree of support you get from most musicians. The average musician has fought so hard for their musical achievements that they have huge respect for someone willing to undertake another instrument in addition to their first. The two best things about doubling are that it provides multiple layers of acceptance and support among your fellow musician - and , as Mr Feinstein points out, it multiplies the number of calls you get for gigs! Bill Redgate Atlanta Georgia -----Original Message----- From: Trombones and related issues forum. [mailto:TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU]On Behalf Of Jeff Albert Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 13:19 To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU Subject: [TBN-L] bone/trumpet double Have any of you had any experience doubling on trumpet and trombone? I know there are a couple of known players that do it well (Tom Malone, James Morrison, Tower of Power usually has a trumpet player that doubles valve bone). I was just look for any experience and insight into the trials and tribulations of any list members that do it, or have tried to do it. Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com ----------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:22:43 -0700 From: David Oliver Subject: Re: brass doubling Just something I remember from when Lindberg was in Boulder a few years ago. He stated that his alto and tenor mouthpieces were designed to make doubling a bit less painful, i.e. the alto mouthpiece is a little on the large side, and the tenor is a little smaller than normal. BTW, going to see the Canadian Brass tonight. Should be fun. It'll just be my second time. Lately, they seem to go through french horn players the way that "Spinal Tap" went through drummers. David Oliver Broomfield, CO USA "D.J. Kennedy" wrote: > so do you double on the same gig ?? > ---like reed players and trumpets on pics etc > ---- > christian lindberg ---wow --alto //sym tenor on the same concert > !!!!!!! > ------ > bones malone blows some bari sax and trumpet plus bone on daves show > ----------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:28:43 EST From: Oldcheckers@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Copy compensation? (was: Pederson Intermediate BTRB Etudes) Why doesn't someone try to get the rights to sell PDF (arcobat files)copies of out of print music on-line? Maybe the agreement could include an out clause for the publisher if the pdf's proves popular and they rerelease the music? Just wondering, Scot ----------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 15:44:23 -0600 From: Jeff Oien Subject: Re: bone/trumpet double trouble ????????? > From: "Paul D. Kemp Jr." > > Usually, what I've found is that it's not much of a problem going to > > smaller mouthpieces (except in the case of a trumpet or horn) but it's > going > > to larger mouthpieces that really fry me. > Now Paul, that is strange. I find the opposite to be true with me. -snip- > A. > > Adrian Drover I'm with Paul on this one. Also, bass trombone playing will improve my tenor playing but not vice versa. I can play bass trombone exclusively for quite a while and then pick up the tenor and get used to it real quick. But not vice versa. Jeff Oien ----------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 13:43:09 -0800 From: Chris Tune Subject: Re: FW: [TBN-L] Copy compensation? (was: Pederson Intermediate BTRB Etudes) Things like this rarely work. Once a tariff like this is put in place, our "little entrepreneurs" begin smuggling operations in order to profit from the black market that will develop. No matter what the actual amount of tax is or how it is levied or enforced, there is always some economic order quantity at which it is profitable to smuggle. It is actually amazing how much smuggling is actually going on at any one point in time. I just saw a documentary on tunnelling under the Mexican border. There apparently are dozens of tunnels used for drug and illegal alien smuggling. Amazing effort was put into at least one tunnel. The tunnel was in Douglas Arizona and was concrete lined with the primary transit tunnel thirty feet below grade, with height enough so a "mule" could stand up, and carry his load to and from a house on one side (complete with hydralically lifted floor covering the entrance), and the other side, a business ware house on the American side (with a storm drain entrance which could only be opened from the inside of the tunnel). Law officials estimate billions (!!) in goods were smuggled this way for years. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Edwards" To: Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 2:14 PM Subject: [TBN-L] FW: [TBN-L] Copy compensation? (was: Pederson Intermediate BTRB Etudes) > This tariff is kind of strange in that they would differentiate between > "Data" and "Audio" CD-R and CD-RW. > It really is the same medium. > > Eric > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Trombones and related issues forum. > [mailto:TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU]On Behalf Of Robert Slaven > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 3:43 PM > To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU > Subject: Re: [TBN-L] Copy compensation? (was: Pederson Intermediate BTRB > Etudes) > > From: "Carl Lenthe" > > > are simply going to copy up a storm. If I recall correctly, in 1980's > Europe > > a small 'blank tape' tax was charged for blank cassettes with those > proceeds > > going to a fund that eventually was paid out to the recording artists in > the > > form of (slightly) higher royalties. As such, at least some compensation > was > > offered for pirated recordings. It seems that something similar could be > > done in the photocopy & publishing industries. > > > > True, not everyone used each of their blank cassettes to pirate > recordings, > > and yet these people also paid the tax. The same would apply if a tax were > > added to photocopy machines and blank paper, and I don't have an answer > for > > that. And, of course, there is the question of who would/should manage > such > > a thing (the government??). Logisitics to be sure --- but what about the > > idea and the possible justice it could bring? > > > > BTW, where does this issue stand with the recording industry versus blank > > CD's and CD burners? > > For what happens in Canada, see: > http://www.cb-cda.gc.ca/new-e.html > > There is currently an 'interim' tariff in place, awaiting the decision on a > proposed higher tariff. The current rates are: > > (a) 29¢ for each audio cassette of 40 minutes or more in length; > (b) 21¢ for each CD-R or CD-RW; > (c) 77¢ for each CD-R Audio, CD-RW Audio or MiniDisc. > [Canadian currency, of course, currently worth about C$1 ~= US$0.65.] > > The proposed tariff is: > > (a) 60¢ for >40min. cassettes; > (b) 59¢ for CD-R/CD-RW; > (c) $1.23 for CD-R Audio, CD-RW Audio, MiniDisc; > (d) 0.8¢ per MB for removable hard drives, memory sticks, etc.; > (e) $2.27 for any kind of recordable DVD's; > (f) 2.1¢ per MB for non-removable memory, etc. in MP3 players; > (g) $21 per GB for non-removable HD in MP3 players [same as (f), really]. > > The tariff is managed by a federal government agency called the Copyright > Board, but collected by the Canadian Private Copying Collective, which has > as > members "the Canadian Mechanical Reproduction Rights Agency (CMRRA), the > Neighbouring Rights Collective of Canada (NRCC), the Sociˇtˇ de gestion des > droits des artistes-musiciens (SOGEDAM), the Society for Reproduction Rights > of Authors, Composers and Publishers in Canada (SODRAC) and the Society of > Composers, Authors and Music Publishers of Canada (SOCAN)." > > For further gory details, just check out the web link above and its > subpages. > > Robert > -- > Robert & Linn-Marie Slaven www.robertslaven.ca > ...with Stuart, Rebecca, Mariann, Kristina, Elizabeth, and Robin too > Indeed, it's partly because of the casual and outright commercial use of > the name of the Savior that we block Christian stations from our TV at > home. - Orson Scott Card, 'Appropriate for the Audience' > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 2003/02/13 > ----------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 17:16:15 EST From: MikeSuter@AOL.COM Subject: from Suter re: Tommy Pederson Etudes Hi Guys, << I have heard some rumblings that list member Mike Suter is trying to bring some of Tommy Pederson's long out-of-print materials back into "print" again. We exchanged some emails a year or so ago about some of the "duet series" which I had used in my teaching, for years, which, unfortunately, I had loaned to students and most are lost. >> << I believe that it's P.O.P. or permanently out of print. You'll probably need to find a used copy. >> << Personally, I think the publisher of the Pederson Etudes is missing the boat. >> I've been trying for the past few years to find out who currently owns the Etude series' with no luck. Belwin, Schmitt, et al seem to have no idea who THEY even sold the rights to. But I've not given up yet. (If you have any ideas, get in touch w/ me off list) My attorney is exploring the alternate method that we've used with Blue Topaz and Josephine, which might allow PrimeSlide to publish the material. I'll know more in the near future. As for the duets, they're complete and ready to go. Again, I'm just waiting for my attorney to give me the go-ahead. As Chuck said, none of this is just a matter of cranking up the old Xerox and putting stuff on the market. There's a word for guys who do this and get caught: bankrupt. In some cases, it's even a felony (depending on how good a case their lawyers make regarding losses). When I have the proper permission to go ahead, y'all will be the first to know. All The Best, Mike Suter Slidewerke National Slide Quartet PrimeSlide Group ----------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 17:51:55 -0500 From: Harlan Feinstein Subject: Re: brass doubling DJ> so do you double on the same gig ?? ---like reed players and DJ> trumpets on pics etc Sometimes, yes. The most involved one was a run of Gypsy where I was playing 2nd trumpet, horn, and bass trombone. It's not that often that I'll do those, though... it has to be a music director that knows I play all those, but a small enough pit that they wouldn't have a full-time trombone and horn. Plus, I have to commit to the entire run, because finding a sub gets harder with each extra instrument. Some of these shows inherently have doubling books anyway; Assassins and Big River have a trombone/euphonium books, and I think there are occasional trombone/tuba books. (and as you mention, the trumpet books will often have pic or flugel) --Harlan ----------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 17:52:06 -0500 From: Dave Wank Subject: Encore A few of us have been using an obsolete music-writing system called Encore. It's a lot more of a manual affair than is Finale which teaches you to do many things in "clumps" of operations. There have been some problems with Encore in the past and the current owner of the product, GVOX, has been seemingly deaf to all suggestions of putting out an up-graded notation system. For those of you who are familiar with Encore you will be happy to find out that they are now putting out a new version with a decent price for up-dates for those of us who have the old ones. Check out their web site: www.gvox.com I honestly don't know if there is any difference in the old and the new. However, they have it set up for Windows 2000 and XP. I have Windows 98 and I had to have assistance to get the old system to work on it and I am sure it won't go on 2000. Now, however, we have an all-new Encore that will work with the new computers. Check it out! dave wank ----------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 18:22:37 -0600 From: "D.J. Kennedy" Subject: trombones////////////small bell update//cruise ship//local work small bell and local news D.J. Kennedy wrote: > hey it was some other guy on the cruise ----but it coulda been you > !!! > w phil wilson > ------- > yeah its cool to try different horns -chris cleaned up the 39 2b > which plays great > but looked ancient -i dont care about looks --me and geru > mulligan and winnie --- > -- thats a bunch of bones to ship how do you want em ? > cases no case small student gig cases -big clunky cases ??? > -----mpcs to try -i have a box coming back from england -- > keith hocking picked out a vintage king 28 to go w his 38 > silvertone > -he is now getting a williams 6 no 1122 --3500 bucks in walt > johnson -extra 350 > that horn is here for maybe another week > wow ---light responsive --lots of touches and vibes on it > sam burtis old horn //maybe old when he got it in 70s --a great one > a violin ---a real priviledge to just play for a few days > yes we are mortals ---brief butterflies and flowers blossoming > -------- > there are a couple of tennessee 6s floating around --mixed opinions > ------ > me and chris moncelli are wondering if you ever blew > connstellations > bruce has a hard bell he really likes a bunch ---he had a super soft > 3b -- he no like > if you hooked up a trick edwards slide to a hard bell connie > for lead it would be hard to beat --- > for softer combos its a matter of style //taste - > i just got in a 1956 3b ----in orig case - > it needs tlc in slide -to come alive again - > ----------------- > roy barnes is really likeing a schmelzer silver no 1 for multi > purpose soloing > and i got a guy visiting soon who prefers heavy bell conn 24h > ballroom > as it holds up to ffffff and smacks harder even than the 6h > --i havea 1946 small heavy bell 6h w lt slide he will relate too > for sure > --------- > bill watrous called today ---cooking popcorn !!!!!!!!! > and petting his cat ---talking about slide hamilton grammys > cher --frank sinatra jr gig w walt johnson > who has stories about si zentner ------- > ---------- > locally old restaurant new owner wanting jazz blues ///budget 250 > bucks > and tired already of the 2 piece ''''' band ''''''''''thats been down > there lately > --------i told bill and he said whats the 250 for ??? > i dunno ??????at least he wants live music > -------any keyboard around here is workin //same for anybody else > halfway decent > i will work for free - > i make more $$$ doing sketches now --so i blow a few numbers > and draw --its up to 50 bucks > > Bill Hamilton wrote: > > > D.J., > > Hello there!Sorry it took so long to get in touch > > with you about the horns.Thank you for the kind words > > as well however i`m quite sure that isn`t me on the > > yamaha newsletter.I work for Princess as well. > > Anyway I wanted to talk to Chris first about all > > these horns of yours!We came up with a concencus of > > what we thought I would like.I don`t know what you are > > willing to send for me to try out but the horns i`m > > interested in are the LT bach 12(not the miles > > Anderson horn)The 16M and the 1939 2b.If you could > > send all three that would be great.If not i`d be happy > > with whatever you`re comfortable sending me.I`ll be > > happy to pay shipping costs. > > I`m glad you like my sterling 2b.Great horn for the > > right person!I hope we can work out some kind of > > reasonable trade. > > The address where you could send me stuff is: > > Bill Hamilton > > musician > > P&O mv Star Princess > > P.O. box 664 > > San Pedro CA 90733 > > If you have any mouthpieces around 11C-7C size that > > you would be willing to sell please let me know i`m on > > the hunt again.I just find that the bach mouthpieces > > don`t seem to work so well for me anymore.Do you have > > any Doug Elliott `pieces? > > At any rate,let me know what you think.I look foward > > to hearing from you soon.Bill > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day > > http://shopping.yahoo.com ----------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 20:03:40 -0500 From: "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" Subject: Velvet Brown concerts This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---559023410-579758561-1045357420=:15701 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Content-ID: I am also sending this tuba concert to Trombone-L, as she will be performing works by James Beckel. From Mr. Beckel: I should mention that Velvet Brown will be in town this coming week as a soloist premiering a new work that I have written for tuba and Percussion. If you could, please pass the word around. She will be playing at DePauw University's Thompson Recital Hall this Tuesday, Feb. 18th at 7;30 PM. This is a free concert. She will also be performing the work the following night in the recital hall at the Indiana Historic Society on the canal, downtown Indianapolis. That concert has an admission fee of $8 for students. The time of that concert is also 7:30 PM. The work is for 3 percussion and Tuba and features Velvet and Percussion Plus. They are also playing works by Hartley, Schmidt, Sermila, and McCarthy. ----- Carole Nowicke cnowicke@indiana.edu ---559023410-579758561-1045357420=:15701-- ----------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 17:58:52 -0800 From: Steve Mynett Subject: Pederson Etudes They are available through Kendor Music (http://www.kendormusic.com) I believe a large portion of it is still available through Hickeys. Tenor Trombone Etudes Volumes 1/2/5 are still in print as are a long number of duets/trios and the Christmas Quintets. All are high quality and HARD! I have some and am currently ordering some more. --------------------- Steve Mynett smynett@shaw.ca ----------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 21:05:58 EST From: Beldon Wade Subject: Re: brass doubling About twenty years ago, I can recall a fellow had a small group of about five people. He doubled on trombone and trumpet and would switch back and forth between songs. Evidently he built a firm embouchure, as you could hear that he had both instruments down pat. Of course he had also to adjust his breathing control to accomodate the higher pitched trumpet. beldon wade ----------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 23:57:14 -0500 From: "Paul D. Kemp Jr." Subject: Re: Pederson Etudes Dear List: I have stayed out of this conversation concerning the Pederson Etudes. The Intermediate Etudes for Tenor Trombone are, in my opinion, quite good, and yes, they are hard, but not that bad. They must be practiced slowly, as there are some odd intervals that must be dealt with. Those ARE NOT listed on the Hickey's website, nor are they listed on the Kendor music website. The Unaccompanied Solos and the Etudes ARE NOT the same thing. The Advanced Etudes are very difficult indeed, and they will definitely stretch your limits. In difficulty, they are head and shoulders above the Intermediate Etudes. Mike Suter probably has most if not all of the Tommy Pederson Publications, and I hope that he will see fit to re-issue these works. I have a set of the Teens & Trombones series of duets, which were 5 duets for 2 tenor trombones, 5 for tenor and bass trombone, and 5 for 2 Bass Trombones. They are more difficult than the ones published by Kendor, and in my opinion, much more musically satisfying. I have the set for 2 tenors and the set for tenor and bass trombone. Tommy was a fantastic player and a phenomenal musician. For those of you who are not familiar with him, he played on the infamous Spike Jones Band, as well as lead trombone in the Tommy Dorsey Orchestra, and he did many of the arrangements on the Hollywood Trombones "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas" album. He also played on the Trombones Incorporated Album as well as Tutti's Trombones, and in collaboration with Dick Noel, he produced All My Friends Are Trombone Players and All Right, OK, You Win. Those 2 albums are long out of print. He was one of those players that could play anything he could think of, and the one recording that I remember of him was when he recorded Flight of the Bumblebee while playing with the Spike Jones band, with all of the sneezing in it, and it was truly hilarious. Once he gained his composure, he then played it through FLAWLESSLY, long before Urbie Green or Christian Lindberg even thought about recording it. He was a pretty bad diabetic, and made some very bad business decisions, and he died just a few years ago. All My Friends Are Trombone Players was one album that my dad could stand to listen to when I was a teenager. It is still a classic. Paul Kemp Chattanooga Symphony www.trbnplyr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Mynett" To: Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 8:58 PM Subject: [TBN-L] Pederson Etudes > They are available through Kendor Music (http://www.kendormusic.com) I believe a large portion of it is still available through Hickeys. Tenor Trombone Etudes Volumes 1/2/5 are still in print as are a long number of duets/trios and the Christmas Quintets. All are high quality and HARD! I have some and am currently ordering some more. > > > --------------------- > Steve Mynett > smynett@shaw.ca > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003 ----------------------------- End of TROMBONE-L Digest - 14 Feb 2003 to 15 Feb 2003 (#2003-46) **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 10:09:10 -0800 From: Tom Izzo Subject: Re: brass doubling --- Beldon Wade wrote: > About twenty years ago, I can recall a fellow had a > small group of about five > people. > Oh heck, my Brass Quintet still does this. We ALL play Trumpet & we ALL play Trombone, (1 plays F Horn, & 1 plays Tuba), and we ALL pkay Percussion. For the record (since this conversation intrigues many of you): Player 1: Picc, Sopranino & Sop Trumpets, Sopranino & Sop Cornets, Flugel, Sop Trb, Perc. Player 2: Sopranino & Sop Trpts, Bb Cornet, Flugel, Sop & Tenor Trbs, Alto Sax, Piano, Perc, Timp. Player 3: Picc& Sop Trpts, Sopranino & Sop Cornets, Flugel, F Horn, Sop & Tenor Trbs, SATB Saxes, Bassoon, Clar, Keyboards, Perc. Player 4: Bass Trpt, Tenor Trbs (sm & lge), Tenor & Bar Hns, Euph, Harmonica, Perc. Player 5 (me): Sop & Bass Trpts, Alto, Tenor, Bass & CBTrbs, Euph, Tuba, String & Elect Bassi, Recorders, Flute, Oboe, Drums. Sop Sax, Perc Tom > He doubled on trombone and trumpet and would switch > back and forth between > songs. > > Evidently he built a firm embouchure, as you could > hear that he had both > instruments down pat. Of course he had also to > adjust his breathing control > to accomodate the higher pitched trumpet. > > beldon wade ===== Tom Izzo Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Bass Trumpet, Euphonium, Electric Bass, Percussion http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ (630) 983-1985 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 18:09:30 +0000 From: Jason Akai Subject: If you had to pick one - (Ok, or maybe three, or five...) What is/are your favorite piece(s) for band which showcase three+ trombones? This can be either a spotlight feature (one where the emphasis is clearly on the bones) or a signature part, for example the climax of Elsa's Procession or the opening of Night on Bald Mountain Yes, those are lower grade pieces most of us don't need the music for, but its Sunday morning, and I can't think of anything else off the top of my head. The only stipulation is I would like the piece to be one where an entire band ensemble participates, and there is not one specific solo, but a piece which defines a trombone section. Also, in answering, I'd like to hear why it is among your favorites, and any personal stories you might have about playing it. Ciao Jason Akai Bass Trombonist American Wind Band http://www.americanwindband.org _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 14:34:12 EST From: "Thomas B. Cox" Subject: Re: If you had to pick one - One of my favorites is Russian Christmas Music. It has several shining=20 moments for the trombones, especially to show off a section with good=20 intonation and balance! It has the bold unison statements in the trombones=20 to start the first moving section; later on, the major chords in the top 3=20 parts (D-E-D-C-D etc) and finally, the climax of the piece, which also shows= =20 off the entire section, especially the bass trombone with its moving 8th=20 notes. Another (very difficult) piece which is brand new and I've played just now i= s=20 Harrison's Dream by Peter Graham. The piece was written for one of the=20 service bands and our wind ensemble was able to get permission to play it=20 this winter, but I don't think it has been published yet. It has a short=20 section where the trombones are the only section besides the percussion=20 playing, and it can show off a good section or horribly expose a bad one. I= t=20 starts with a few 7/16 bars (the 8th note gets the beat in this very=20 percussive piece) and ends with a few groups of 5 notes over 4 beats. Those are the first pieces that come to mind at the moment...I'll try to=20 think of some more. -Tommy Cox Junior, Music Education University of Alabama Jason Akai wrote: (Ok, or maybe three, or five...) What is/are your favorite piece(s) for band which showcase three+ trombones? This can be either a spotlight feature (one where the emphasis is clearly on the bones) or a signature part, for example the climax of Elsa's Procession or the opening of Night on Bald Mountain Yes, those are lower grade pieces most of us don't need the music for, but its Sunday morning, and I can't think of anything else off the top of my head. The only stipulation is I would like the piece to be one where an entire band ensemble participates, and there is not one specific solo, but a piece which defines a trombone section.=A0 Also, in answering, I'd like to hear wh= y it is among your favorites, and any personal stories you might have about playing it. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 18:30:15 -0700 From: David Oliver Subject: If you had to pick one (trombone/band feature) I checked out out your website, and it looks like the American Wind Band is a community band like the DCB. We did a piece last summer at times called "Trombone Rag." It is fun to play and hear and it highlights the trombone section. We usually stood up in place when we performed it. It is written for four parts, but the 4th part is not really a bass trombone part as everyone has that final optional pedal. I'd recommend only 4 of the better trombones do it, but it could also sound OK if the whole section worked it to get in sync and get the balance down. We probably sounded the best when just four of us did it, as in summer you have subs who haven't played it much and it would start getting "holes", i.e. no answering part. David Oliver Broomfield, Colorado USA Trombone, Denver Concert Band www.denverconcertband.org (5 days to Fennell!) Jason Akai wrote: > (Ok, or maybe three, or five...) > > What is/are your favorite piece(s) for band which showcase three+ trombones? > > This can be either a spotlight feature (one where the emphasis is clearly on > the bones) or a signature part, for example the climax of Elsa's Procession > or the opening of Night on Bald Mountain... > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 20:37:52 -0500 From: "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" Subject: Jazz az History in Moscow, Idaho Forwarded w/o bothering with permission from the Archives list from Michael "Take the 'A' Train" Tarabulski (we go back so far he was with the Corps of Engineers and I was with the Navy), Archivist, International Jazz Collections, Lionel Hampton Center: "Here's something we have been putting together out here in Moscow. Displays and several archivists and historians coming in this week as part of the Lionel Hampton Jazz Festival. Check it out at:" http://www.ijc.uidaho.edu/news2.asp Carole "will never forget introducing Michael's Corps of Engineers boss to a really artsy male harpist, Les Varner, and other frightening apparitions" Nowicke cnowicke@indiana.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 21:07:02 -0500 From: John McVey Subject: Re: bone/trumpet double Hi Jeff, Perhaps John Jensen will respond. I have met him a few times here in DC. He retired from the Navy Commodores a few years ago and works in the Metro DC/MD/VA area. I have heard him double on Bone and Trumpet within 5 minutes while playing with a fine group called Chaise Lounge. Here is a website: http://www.dcjazz.com/johnjensen/ John McVey p.s. Looking forward to my next trip to NO. What was the name of that place we ate? It was great. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Albert" To: Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 1:19 PM Subject: [TBN-L] bone/trumpet double > Have any of you had any experience doubling on trumpet and trombone? I > know there are a couple of known players that do it well (Tom Malone, > James Morrison, Tower of Power usually has a trumpet player that doubles > valve bone). I was just look for any experience and insight into the > trials and tribulations of any list members that do it, or have tried to > do it. > > Jeff Albert > > www.jeffalbert.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 21:30:37 EST From: Beldon Wade Subject: Re: [TubaEuph] MC: Vibrato -the quick answer Yep the conductor punches your ticket so you gotta pay attention to what he says. beldon wade ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 22:34:18 -0600 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Subject: Ron Anson This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D6E8E721FDB543FE2ABC28C9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I regret to report that I have received this from Jim Widner. Anyone that ever met Ron Anson will miss him. He was a fine trombonist, musician, and person living in the Central Missouri area for many years. > It is with profound sadness for me to let you know of the death of our > dear friend Ron Anson. Ron died Friday evening from complications of > pneumonia. > > Jim Widner > Eric Swanson --------------D6E8E721FDB543FE2ABC28C9 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_119.1f35fd2d.2b817da1_boundary" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is with profound sadness for me to let you know of the death of our dear friend Ron Anson. Ron died Friday evening from complications of pneumonia. Funeral arrangements are unknown at this time. I am leaving tomorrow for a week, so anyone who needs to know any further information can contact Lana at this e-mail address in a day or two. Jim Widner Visit my website at: www.jimwidnerbigband.com --------------D6E8E721FDB543FE2ABC28C9-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 20:54:57 -0800 From: "James W. Yardley" Subject: Vladislav Blazhevich Does anyone know where I might find information on Vladislav Blazhevich? I've checked Grove, searched on Google and haven't found anything. I found out that there was an article written about him in I.T.A. Journal, Vol. 10, No. 1, January 1982, but 1982 was the year I was born so I don't have that issue. It'd be nice to know something about him while playing his music. Take care, James ------------------------------ End of TROMBONE-L Digest - 15 Feb 2003 to 16 Feb 2003 (#2003-47) ****************************************************************