Subject: TROMBONE-L Digest - 13 Feb 2003 to 14 Feb 2003 (#2003-45) Date: Saturday, February 15, 2003 12:00 AM From: Automatic digest processor Reply-To: "Trombones and related issues forum." To: Recipients of TROMBONE-L digests There are 15 messages totalling 823 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. slide/grammys 2. Pederson Intermediate BTRB Etudes (4) 3. Tommy Pederson Etudes 4. Grover Mitchell & The Count Basie Orchestra 5. Tax Tips 6. Copy compensation? (was: Pederson Intermediate BTRB Etudes) (5) 7. FW: [TBN-L] Copy compensation? (was: Pederson Intermediate BTRB Etudes) 8. DER ROSENKAVALIER ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 11:30:11 +0100 From: Howard Weiner Subject: Re: slide/grammys At 21:58 13.02.03 -0500, DSlide13@AOL.COM wrote: >Hey...here's something else that's funny. I just got off the phone with >Slide, and he says the recording that's nominated was recorded 25 years >ago. It was a live concert that someone finally decided to release as a >CD. Either the music is timeless, or the grammy folks are a little slow >on the uptake. Probably both. Apparently the German broadcasting networks are discovering the financial advantages of releasing on CD the treasures they have lying around in their archives. Since the SWR came into existence only about 5 years ago through the fusion of the SR (SŸddeutscher-Rundfunk Stuttgart) and the SWF (SŸdwestfunk Baden-Baden), the group with which Slide Hampton made this recording was probably originally called the SR Big Band. Howard -- Howard Weiner weiner@privat.toplink.de http://www.odilia.ch/howard-weiner If vegetarians eat only vegetables, what do humanitarians eat? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 07:43:46 -0500 From: clenthe Subject: Re: Pederson Intermediate BTRB Etudes While I can't answer directly to Randy's need, I would like to break a lance for the Pederson etudes (and further works). Since he was published by at least three different publishers (Schmitt, Kendor, ---?---), no one company recognizes the value of the entire Pederson catalog, and I fear that they are slowly becoming unavailable. I advise my students to buy!! whenever they see one of his books. The etudes are simply excellent vehicles for trombone study, and fun too. Maybe other listers have insights that could help us here. It would seem that frequent orders and queries - and purchases - should help the cause somehow. Ideas? Carl Lenthe http://www.indiana.edu/~trombone/StudioLenthe.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Campora" To: Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 12:27 AM Subject: [TBN-L] Pederson Intermediate BTRB Etudes > Does anyone know where I can get a copy of Pederson's Intermediate Etudes > for Bass Trombone? My copy has gone missing a while ago and I don't see it > listed in catalogs. I hope it's not out of print for ever and ever... It > was always my favorite Pederson volume and now I don't have it around any > longer. > > Help, > > Randy Campora > Baltimore ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 07:43:58 EST From: BITEensemble@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Pederson Intermediate BTRB Etudes In a message dated 2/14/2003 12:41:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, Randy.Campora@VERIZON.NET writes: > Does anyone know where I can get a copy of Pederson's Intermediate Etudes > for Bass Trombone? My copy has gone missing a while ago and I don't see it > listed in catalogs. I hope it's not out of print for ever and ever... It > was always my favorite Pederson volume and now I don't have it around any > longer. > > Help, > > Randy Campora > Baltimore > The tenor books are certainly our of print. Not sure about the bass books. The good news is that if they are out of print and you happen to find a copy, you can photo copy it until your heart's content and give them all to your students. -Wes Wesley Hopper Trombone, Triton Brass Quintet Adjunct Professor, Boston College 80.5 Kinnaird Street Cambridge, MA 02139 617.331.6438 (cell) 617.497.5246 www.tritonbrass.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:40:09 -0500 From: Denver Seifried Subject: Re: Tommy Pederson Etudes Carl, Randy & List Members, I have heard some rumblings that list member Mike Suter, is trying to bring some of Tommy Pederson's long out-of-print materials back into "print" again. We exchanged some emails a year or so ago about some of the "duet series" which I had used in my teaching, for years, which, unfortunately, I had loaned to students and most are lost. This was his wonderful series called "Trombone & Teens", if I remember correctly. I think this series was about ten, entry-level duets written for 2 Tenors, Tenor & Bass, and 2 Basses. These were written along the same style as the duets, which are still in print, but much easier. At that time, Mike was trying to get some of Tommy's things back in print. Maybe Mike will chime in and add some information for all of us. Denny Seifried Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Symphony & Dayton Jazz Orchestra Adjunct Trombone-Wittenberg Univ. Dept. of Music ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:51:25 -0500 From: Denver Seifried Subject: Grover Mitchell & The Count Basie Orchestra List Members, I had the great fortune to hear, once again, the latest version of The Count Basie Orchestra, led by Basie veteran trombonist, Grover Mitchell, at a local high school on Wednesday. Lucky for the audience, this was a fairly small, but very nice auditorium to hear the band. It was really great to hear an "acoustic" band, again! The Basie Band uses only minimum sound reinforcement, mainly a mike on the piano, soloist mikes, singers, and a little electric boost for the acoustic bass player. I hope all of you take the opportunity to hear this classic, musical treasure, we have, in this great orchestra. All trombonists need to see and hear this trombone section and please check-out their "slide technique". I spent just as much time watching their great slide work, as listening to the great "acoustic" sound coming from the orchestra. Great singing group with the band, by the name of "The Cunninghams". Go see them, if they get to your area! Denny Seifried Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Symphony & Dayton Jazz Orchestra Adjunct Trombone-Wittenberg Univ. Dept. of Music ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 10:25:50 EST From: BassBonist@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Pederson Intermediate BTRB Etudes Randy Campora writes: > Does anyone know where I can get a copy of Pederson's Intermediate Etudes > for Bass Trombone? My copy has gone missing a while ago and I don't see it > listed in catalogs. I hope it's not out of print for ever and ever... Great book: fun to play, challenging and keeps you on your toes. Unfortunately, I believe that it's P.O.P. or permanently out of print. You'll probably need to find a used copy. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 10:51:26 -0500 From: Chuck De Paolo Subject: Re: Pederson Intermediate BTRB Etudes > The tenor books are certainly our of print. Not sure about the bass books. > The good news is that if they are out of print and you happen to find a copy, > you can photo copy it until your heart's content and give them all to your > students. Aarrgh! This is a common misconception. When something goes out of print, it does not follow that the prohibition on photocopying is lifted. Out of print means just that - it's out of print, there are no benefits that tag along with that status. Even when out of print, the copyright remains with the copyright holder and they, and only they, have the right to produce more copies. This is black letter. Now, if someone decides to make copies once an item is out of print, (which might seem to be justified from time to time) please don't think it's legal or accepted practice. And for heavens sake, please don't tell your students it's legal. It's not, never has been. Not even under "fair use." As educators, we have a responsibility make sure that what we preach is accurate. There is less harm when customer make copies of an item that's *definitely* out of print. Problem is, too many yahoos at music stores declare items "out of print" because they either don't have the skills necessary to locate them, or are too lazy to make the effort. Yes, that pisses me off. Personally, I think the publisher of the Pederson Etudes is missing the boat. These books are ever popular, and it is so sad to see them slowly dying of attrition. A few years ago, all six were available. Now we're left with only three, and I wouldn't be surprised if one more of them died off soon. If the copyright were mine, and I did not want to be bothered with reprinting due to low sales or whatever, I would allow another company to license the right to produce and sell the book, paying me a substantial fee. That's what we publishers are supposed to be doing - generating revenue from our copyright assets. To spread the blame evenly though, I have to say, every time one of you folks Xeroxes something instead of making a purchase, it hurts. If you're playing off Xeroxes of available copyrighted material, you're causing damage to the print music business, period. Those losses are real, not imaginary. Food for thought next time you're standing in front of the copier. In Music, ---Charles De Paolo, Owner Ensemble Publications P.O. Box 32 Ithaca, NY 14851-0032 607.279.1456 (phone) 607.273.4655 (fax/evening phone) EnsPub@aol.com (E-Mail) http://members.aol.com/EnsPub (Website) ----- Original Message ----- From: BITEensemble@AOL.COM To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [TBN-L] Pederson Intermediate BTRB Etudes In a message dated 2/14/2003 12:41:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, Randy.Campora@VERIZON.NET writes: > Does anyone know where I can get a copy of Pederson's Intermediate Etudes > for Bass Trombone? My copy has gone missing a while ago and I don't see it > listed in catalogs. I hope it's not out of print for ever and ever... It > was always my favorite Pederson volume and now I don't have it around any > longer. > > Help, > > Randy Campora > Baltimore > The tenor books are certainly our of print. Not sure about the bass books. The good news is that if they are out of print and you happen to find a copy, you can photo copy it until your heart's content and give them all to your students. -Wes Wesley Hopper Trombone, Triton Brass Quintet Adjunct Professor, Boston College 80.5 Kinnaird Street Cambridge, MA 02139 617.331.6438 (cell) 617.497.5246 www.tritonbrass.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 10:47:49 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess Subject: Re: Tax Tips At 10:16 PM -0800 2/13/03, Brad Howland wrote: >Hi Wayne. > >Being a tax preparer I'm really interested in seeing this article, but the >link you gave doesn't work for me. Can you confirm the URL? Thanks! > >Regards, >Brad Howland ================================================== Ouch. Apparently the link is dead. Here's how I got to the article: 1) Go to the IAJE website: http://www.iaje.org/ 2) Click on the Jazz Education Journal icon (located left side): http://www.iaje.org/journal.asp 3) Click on the "back issues" link: http://www.iaje.org/backissues.asp 4) Click on the March 2001 icon/link: http://www.iaje.org/issue.asp?IssueID=10 5) Click on the Tax Law and Musician link: http://www.iaje.org/article.asp?ArticleID=26 You can try any one of those links to see if the link works... or backtrack from #5, to #4, #3... or just follow my procedure from #1. I know the iaje.org link works. The tax man cometh... Wayne -- ========================= Dr. J. Wayne Dyess, Professor of Music Lamar University Music Department P. O. Box 10044 Beaumont, Texas 77710 409-880-8146 FAX: 409-880-8143 dyessjw@hal.lamar.edu http://www.lamar.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:26:09 -0500 From: Carl Lenthe Subject: Copy compensation? (was: Pederson Intermediate BTRB Etudes) Chuck, Thanks for this information. This has always been my understanding as well and I try to respect it, not only because I also have publications out there. Now, I wonder: Copying is SO easy and near, and many people - whether through lack of knowledge or scruples, or through succumbing to the ease - are simply going to copy up a storm. If I recall correctly, in 1980's Europe a small 'blank tape' tax was charged for blank cassettes with those proceeds going to a fund that eventually was paid out to the recording artists in the form of (slightly) higher royalties. As such, at least some compensation was offered for pirated recordings. It seems that something similar could be done in the photocopy & publishing industries. True, not everyone used each of their blank cassettes to pirate recordings, and yet these people also paid the tax. The same would apply if a tax were added to photocopy machines and blank paper, and I don't have an answer for that. And, of course, there is the question of who would/should manage such a thing (the government??). Logisitics to be sure --- but what about the idea and the possible justice it could bring? BTW, where does this issue stand with the recording industry versus blank CD's and CD burners? So - a couple of thoughts on the subject. I'm curious how list members may see this. And I'm sorry for using the 'T' word 3 times above! Carl Lenthe http://www.indiana.edu/~trombone/lenthe.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck De Paolo" To: Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [TBN-L] Pederson Intermediate BTRB Etudes > > The tenor books are certainly our of print. Not sure about the bass books. > > The good news is that if they are out of print and you happen to find a > copy, > > you can photo copy it until your heart's content and give them all to your > > students. > Aarrgh! This is a common misconception. When something goes out of print, > it does not follow that the prohibition on photocopying is lifted. Out of > print means just that - it's out of print, there are no benefits that tag > along with that status. Even when out of print, the copyright remains with > the copyright holder and they, and only they, have the right to produce more > copies. This is black letter. > > Now, if someone decides to make copies once an item is out of print, (which > might seem to be justified from time to time) please don't think it's legal > or accepted practice. And for heavens sake, please don't tell your students > it's legal. It's not, never has been. Not even under "fair use." As > educators, we have a responsibility make sure that what we preach is > accurate. > > There is less harm when customer make copies of an item that's *definitely* > out of print. Problem is, too many yahoos at music stores declare items > "out of print" because they either don't have the skills necessary to locate > them, or are too lazy to make the effort. Yes, that pisses me off. > > Personally, I think the publisher of the Pederson Etudes is missing the > boat. These books are ever popular, and it is so sad to see them slowly > dying of attrition. A few years ago, all six were available. Now we're > left with only three, and I wouldn't be surprised if one more of them died > off soon. If the copyright were mine, and I did not want to be bothered > with reprinting due to low sales or whatever, I would allow another company > to license the right to produce and sell the book, paying me a substantial > fee. That's what we publishers are supposed to be doing - generating > revenue from our copyright assets. > > To spread the blame evenly though, I have to say, every time one of you > folks Xeroxes something instead of making a purchase, it hurts. If you're > playing off Xeroxes of available copyrighted material, you're causing damage > to the print music business, period. Those losses are real, not imaginary. > > Food for thought next time you're standing in front of the copier. > > In Music, > ---Charles De Paolo, Owner > > Ensemble Publications > P.O. Box 32 > Ithaca, NY 14851-0032 > > 607.279.1456 (phone) > 607.273.4655 (fax/evening phone) > EnsPub@aol.com (E-Mail) > http://members.aol.com/EnsPub (Website) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: BITEensemble@AOL.COM > To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 7:43 AM > Subject: Re: [TBN-L] Pederson Intermediate BTRB Etudes > > > In a message dated 2/14/2003 12:41:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, > Randy.Campora@VERIZON.NET writes: > > > Does anyone know where I can get a copy of Pederson's Intermediate Etudes > > for Bass Trombone? My copy has gone missing a while ago and I don't see it > > listed in catalogs. I hope it's not out of print for ever and ever... It > > was always my favorite Pederson volume and now I don't have it around any > > longer. > > > > Help, > > > > Randy Campora > > Baltimore > > > > The tenor books are certainly our of print. Not sure about the bass books. > The good news is that if they are out of print and you happen to find a > copy, > you can photo copy it until your heart's content and give them all to your > students. > > -Wes > > > Wesley Hopper > Trombone, Triton Brass Quintet > Adjunct Professor, Boston College > > > 80.5 Kinnaird Street > Cambridge, MA 02139 > 617.331.6438 (cell) > 617.497.5246 > www.tritonbrass.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 20:04:19 +0100 From: Simon Bailey Subject: Re: Copy compensation? (was: Pederson Intermediate BTRB Etudes) hi carl, all, On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 19:26, Carl Lenthe wrote: > BTW, where does this issue stand with the recording industry versus blank > CD's and CD burners? as far as i know, this tax was carried over to blank cd-r's as well (though i may be wrong). i do remember a big discussion a year or so back where the german government was considering bringing out a tax on hard-drives and cd-burners as they can be used to pirate music. however, this was dropped, as the general public were up in arms about this measure. if you're interested, drop me a line off-list and i'll see if i can dig up some of those links. regards, simon -- Don't be irreplaceable, if you can't be replaced, you can't be promoted. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:24:28 -0500 From: Steve Beck Subject: Re: Copy compensation? (was: Pederson Intermediate BTRB Etudes) From: "Carl Lenthe" > So - a couple of thoughts on the subject. I'm curious how list members may see this. Carl, as you mentioned, there are occasional uses for blank tapes (and CD's) that do not involve software piracy. However, it is so prevalent I can't help but like this idea. If the fee were small, and it really went back into a pool for artists I would cheerfully pay such a tax. However, I can't see it working. There are simply too many hands involved. All the game manufacturers would claim a cut etc. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:42:36 -0800 From: Robert Slaven Subject: Re: Copy compensation? (was: Pederson Intermediate BTRB Etudes) From: "Carl Lenthe" > are simply going to copy up a storm. If I recall correctly, in 1980's Europe > a small 'blank tape' tax was charged for blank cassettes with those proceeds > going to a fund that eventually was paid out to the recording artists in the > form of (slightly) higher royalties. As such, at least some compensation was > offered for pirated recordings. It seems that something similar could be > done in the photocopy & publishing industries. > > True, not everyone used each of their blank cassettes to pirate recordings, > and yet these people also paid the tax. The same would apply if a tax were > added to photocopy machines and blank paper, and I don't have an answer for > that. And, of course, there is the question of who would/should manage such > a thing (the government??). Logisitics to be sure --- but what about the > idea and the possible justice it could bring? > > BTW, where does this issue stand with the recording industry versus blank > CD's and CD burners? For what happens in Canada, see: http://www.cb-cda.gc.ca/new-e.html There is currently an 'interim' tariff in place, awaiting the decision on a proposed higher tariff. The current rates are: (a) 29¢ for each audio cassette of 40 minutes or more in length; (b) 21¢ for each CD-R or CD-RW; (c) 77¢ for each CD-R Audio, CD-RW Audio or MiniDisc. [Canadian currency, of course, currently worth about C$1 ~= US$0.65.] The proposed tariff is: (a) 60¢ for >40min. cassettes; (b) 59¢ for CD-R/CD-RW; (c) $1.23 for CD-R Audio, CD-RW Audio, MiniDisc; (d) 0.8¢ per MB for removable hard drives, memory sticks, etc.; (e) $2.27 for any kind of recordable DVD's; (f) 2.1¢ per MB for non-removable memory, etc. in MP3 players; (g) $21 per GB for non-removable HD in MP3 players [same as (f), really]. The tariff is managed by a federal government agency called the Copyright Board, but collected by the Canadian Private Copying Collective, which has as members "the Canadian Mechanical Reproduction Rights Agency (CMRRA), the Neighbouring Rights Collective of Canada (NRCC), the SociŽtŽ de gestion des droits des artistes-musiciens (SOGEDAM), the Society for Reproduction Rights of Authors, Composers and Publishers in Canada (SODRAC) and the Society of Composers, Authors and Music Publishers of Canada (SOCAN)." For further gory details, just check out the web link above and its subpages. Robert -- Robert & Linn-Marie Slaven www.robertslaven.ca ...with Stuart, Rebecca, Mariann, Kristina, Elizabeth, and Robin too Indeed, it's partly because of the casual and outright commercial use of the name of the Savior that we block Christian stations from our TV at home. - Orson Scott Card, 'Appropriate for the Audience' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 2003/02/13 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 16:14:05 -0600 From: Eric Edwards Subject: FW: [TBN-L] Copy compensation? (was: Pederson Intermediate BTRB Etudes) This tariff is kind of strange in that they would differentiate between "Data" and "Audio" CD-R and CD-RW. It really is the same medium. Eric -----Original Message----- From: Trombones and related issues forum. [mailto:TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU]On Behalf Of Robert Slaven Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 3:43 PM To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU Subject: Re: [TBN-L] Copy compensation? (was: Pederson Intermediate BTRB Etudes) From: "Carl Lenthe" > are simply going to copy up a storm. If I recall correctly, in 1980's Europe > a small 'blank tape' tax was charged for blank cassettes with those proceeds > going to a fund that eventually was paid out to the recording artists in the > form of (slightly) higher royalties. As such, at least some compensation was > offered for pirated recordings. It seems that something similar could be > done in the photocopy & publishing industries. > > True, not everyone used each of their blank cassettes to pirate recordings, > and yet these people also paid the tax. The same would apply if a tax were > added to photocopy machines and blank paper, and I don't have an answer for > that. And, of course, there is the question of who would/should manage such > a thing (the government??). Logisitics to be sure --- but what about the > idea and the possible justice it could bring? > > BTW, where does this issue stand with the recording industry versus blank > CD's and CD burners? For what happens in Canada, see: http://www.cb-cda.gc.ca/new-e.html There is currently an 'interim' tariff in place, awaiting the decision on a proposed higher tariff. The current rates are: (a) 29¢ for each audio cassette of 40 minutes or more in length; (b) 21¢ for each CD-R or CD-RW; (c) 77¢ for each CD-R Audio, CD-RW Audio or MiniDisc. [Canadian currency, of course, currently worth about C$1 ~= US$0.65.] The proposed tariff is: (a) 60¢ for >40min. cassettes; (b) 59¢ for CD-R/CD-RW; (c) $1.23 for CD-R Audio, CD-RW Audio, MiniDisc; (d) 0.8¢ per MB for removable hard drives, memory sticks, etc.; (e) $2.27 for any kind of recordable DVD's; (f) 2.1¢ per MB for non-removable memory, etc. in MP3 players; (g) $21 per GB for non-removable HD in MP3 players [same as (f), really]. The tariff is managed by a federal government agency called the Copyright Board, but collected by the Canadian Private Copying Collective, which has as members "the Canadian Mechanical Reproduction Rights Agency (CMRRA), the Neighbouring Rights Collective of Canada (NRCC), the SociŽtŽ de gestion des droits des artistes-musiciens (SOGEDAM), the Society for Reproduction Rights of Authors, Composers and Publishers in Canada (SODRAC) and the Society of Composers, Authors and Music Publishers of Canada (SOCAN)." For further gory details, just check out the web link above and its subpages. Robert -- Robert & Linn-Marie Slaven www.robertslaven.ca ...with Stuart, Rebecca, Mariann, Kristina, Elizabeth, and Robin too Indeed, it's partly because of the casual and outright commercial use of the name of the Savior that we block Christian stations from our TV at home. - Orson Scott Card, 'Appropriate for the Audience' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 2003/02/13 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 19:13:50 -0500 From: Angie Brunk Subject: Re: Copy compensation? (was: Pederson Intermediate BTRB Etudes) At 1:26 PM -0500 2/14/03, Carl Lenthe wrote: >True, not everyone used each of their blank cassettes to pirate recordings, >and yet these people also paid the tax. The same would apply if a tax were >added to photocopy machines and blank paper, and I don't have an answer for >that. And, of course, there is the question of who would/should manage such >a thing (the government??). Logisitics to be sure --- but what about the >idea and the possible justice it could bring? I think the question of sheer volume would be a problem here. What types of paper would you tax? How would you figure the tax? People never bought as sound recording media as copy/inkjet/laser paper. Would you tax art papers, which are most often used for producing original art. Archival papers? (I might add that these two papers are pretty expensive as it is.) Don't forget that a scanner and printer can do as much damage as a copy machine. >BTW, where does this issue stand with the recording industry versus blank >CD's and CD burners? IIRC, some blank CDs are labeled as "audio" CDs, and a portion of their purchase price goes to a recording industry fund. Angie one of the resident librarians, but as far as I know the only resident paper geek. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 17:36:40 -0700 From: Phil Burton Subject: DER ROSENKAVALIER Dear Fellow Trombonists, About a year ago, many of you helped out my friend with information on another research paper he was working on. Does anyone have some resources or information for him? Phil Dear Phil - Here is one to ponder, and if you've got any resources, find out about. Actually, I'm doing another paper on trombone in chamber music and this particular work is darm hard to find out about. It is: Richard Strauss' DER ROSENKAVALIER Film Musik for Salonorchester, i.e., a 13-part ensemble (that includes one trombone). The film version of Rosenkavalier was produced in 1926, but this version wasn't discovered until perhaps the 1970s. Harmoni Mundi (EMI) did a recording in 1981 wtih Ensemble 13 Baden-Baden, Manfred Reichert conducting, which is fabulous - but all my efforts to inquire about this version of the opera have been ill-fated. Boosey & Hawkes seem to know nothing about it (that house is the principal Strauss-handling firm. Fuerstner may have been the original publisher, and though Strauss had his name on it (presumably he was the redactor), I have my doubts that he did the job himself. Any avenues you might pursue on this one would be appreciated. reb ------------------------------ End of TROMBONE-L Digest - 13 Feb 2003 to 14 Feb 2003 (#2003-45) ****************************************************************