Subject: TROMBONE-L Digest - 11 Feb 2003 to 12 Feb 2003 (#2003-43) Date: Thursday, February 13, 2003 12:00 AM From: Automatic digest processor Reply-To: "Trombones and related issues forum." To: Recipients of TROMBONE-L digests There are 14 messages totalling 598 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Music stand ligt 2. The Music Man, Disney made-for-television (5) 3. sad news item 4. Music stand light 5. ALL-NEW S.E. SHIRES WEBSITE 6. Jim Miller in recital at Long Beach State 02/20/03 7. Fillmore Trombone Rags Question (4) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:17:32 -0500 From: John McGrath Subject: Music stand ligt I would like to extend a belated Thank You to all who responded to my request for information on battery operated stand lights. After reviewing all of the suggestions of those of you who responded, I purchased a Concertlight by lampcraft. So far I am quite satisfied with this light. Thanks for all of the help. Regards to all, Jack McGrath ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:06:18 -0500 From: "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" Subject: The Music Man, Disney made-for-television This weekend (for those with access to American television broadcasting) the "Wonderful World of Disney" will show the new made-for-tv "Music Man" staring Matthew Broderick in the Harold Hill role. The part of Iowa will be played by Ontario. Dr. Henry Meredith of the U of Western Ontario was the musical instrument consultant, supplier, and horn wrangler for the movie. Henry used all 1912-era instruments, and convinced the props people that helicons were more appropriate than fibreglas Sousaphones. He suggested to them that being as "double belled euphoniums" were in the song, they should be in the scenes (Henry has some fine examples). Not quite 76 trombones, but appropriate trombones to the period. Carole Nowicke cnowicke@indiana.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 06:52:29 -0800 From: Gabriel Langfur Subject: sad news item http://www.trombone.org/news/viewnews.asp?NewsID=322 Ben van Dijk posted this news item yesterday about the loss of his father, Piet van Dijk, who had a long, wonderful career as trombonist in the Hague Philharmonic and other ensembles. ===== Gabe Langfur Boston, MA __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:39:52 -0500 From: John McGrath Subject: Music stand light I would like to thank all of the listers that responded to my posting of 12/30 regarding a battery operated stand light. After reveiwing the various responses, I purchesed a Concertlight by lampcraft. So far, I find it to be very good. All responses were quite helpful to me. Regards, Jack McGrath ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:40:53 -0800 From: Gabriel Langfur Subject: ALL-NEW S.E. SHIRES WEBSITE Hello all, The following is an announcement I've prepared for the launching of the new S.E. Shires website. Visit early & often! Gabe The S.E. Shires Company proudly announces the launch of its completely redesigned website at www.seshires.com The new site features: á Your Interactive Guide to Selecting the Right Trombone, including a complete explanation of the labeling of Shires components and descriptions of the general playing characteristics of the various options. Here you will find more complete information to help you find the perfect instrument and realize your ideal sound than perhaps anywhere else on the Internet. á Comments from a few of the many satisfied S.E. Shires customers. These are not paid endorsements, just honest opinions from Shires players who are enthusiastic about what they play. á A photo gallery including downloadable images in various resolutions. á A complete list of S.E. Shires dealers throughout the world. There will be frequent updates over the coming weeks, including additions to the photo gallery, a Frequently Asked Questions page, a detailed guide to the maintenance of your S.E. Shires trombone, announcements of new products and design innovations, and much more. The new S.E. Shires website conception, design and content were created by Dale Cruse, Gabriel Langfur and Steve Shires. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 18:53:17 +0000 From: "J.c. Sherman" Subject: Re: The Music Man, Disney made-for-television Boy, they certainly picked the right guy - Hank has a collection that makes Mr. Izzo's look tiny. I better tune in! J.c. Sherman > This weekend (for those with access to American television broadcasting) > the "Wonderful World of Disney" will show the new made-for-tv "Music Man" > staring Matthew Broderick in the Harold Hill role. The part of Iowa will > be played by Ontario. Dr. Henry Meredith of the U of Western Ontario was > the musical instrument consultant, supplier, and horn wrangler for the > movie. Henry used all 1912-era instruments, and convinced the props > people that helicons were more appropriate than fibreglas Sousaphones. > He suggested to them that being as "double belled euphoniums" were in the > song, they should be in the scenes (Henry has some fine examples). Not > quite 76 trombones, but appropriate trombones to the period. > > > Carole Nowicke > cnowicke@indiana.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:23:28 -0600 From: Jeff Albert Subject: Re: The Music Man, Disney made-for-television That's interesting because he bought a 1917 Olds slide tuning trombone from me a while back. Maybe it will be in the movie. :) Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Trombones and related issues forum. [mailto:TROMBONE- > L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU] On Behalf Of Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 12:06 PM > To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU > Subject: [TBN-L] The Music Man, Disney made-for-television > > This weekend (for those with access to American television broadcasting) > the "Wonderful World of Disney" will show the new made-for-tv "Music Man" > staring Matthew Broderick in the Harold Hill role. The part of Iowa will > be played by Ontario. Dr. Henry Meredith of the U of Western Ontario was > the musical instrument consultant, supplier, and horn wrangler for the > movie. Henry used all 1912-era instruments, and convinced the props > people that helicons were more appropriate than fibreglas Sousaphones. > He suggested to them that being as "double belled euphoniums" were in the > song, they should be in the scenes (Henry has some fine examples). Not > quite 76 trombones, but appropriate trombones to the period. > > > Carole Nowicke > cnowicke@indiana.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:13:30 -0500 From: "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" Subject: Re: The Music Man, Disney made-for-television On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, J.c. Sherman wrote: > Boy, they certainly picked the right guy - Hank has a collection that > makes Mr. Izzo's look tiny. I better tune in! Mr. Izzo isn't going to like you calling him "tiny." Carole cnowicke@indiana.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:27:00 -0800 From: alex iles Subject: Jim Miller in recital at Long Beach State 02/20/03 Got this today from Jim... > James Miller of the Los Angeles Philharmonic will be presented in a concert > of solo works on Thursday, February 20 at 8:00pm in the Gerald R. Daniels > Recital Hall on the campus of Cal State Long Beach in Long Beach, CA. > the concert will also feature Yoko Mizuno on piano and Ferenc Nemeth on > drums. Music of Crespo, Milhaud, Bolter and Miller will be performed. > > tickets are $10 adults/$7 students and seniors > > from the 405 north, exit Palo Verde, right on Atherton > from the 405 south, exit Bellflower, left on Atherton > > Boredom will NOT be an option > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:37:08 -0500 From: Jay Sheridan Subject: Fillmore Trombone Rags Question List- Recently there was a question about Fillmore's set of trombone rags, and since I had them at school with my bass, I started playing some of them. I do have some questions that I have not been able to answer for myself. First, do them mean to have all of the markings like 2--------6---------1 or however they mark it to be played as a gliss? Second, is the appropriate tempos. Lassus is mark as a "slow drag", but I have never heard it played very slow. If the quick tempo of Lassus is slow, about how fast do they want "lively"? Third, in looking at Lassus, there is the intro, section A (with a DS sign) with repeat signs and a 1st and 2nd ending as well as a third ending with Fine. Then there is the B section with repeat signs and a 1st and 2nd ending, and in the 2nd ending there is a DS al Fine. The Trio has it's own 1st and 2nd ending and then the ending section in the original key. I get confused when the DS al Fine happends before the trio, therefore not allowing you to play the Trio. Any help would be appreciated. Jay Sheridan Director of Music Upper Scioto Valley Schools McGuffey, OH jsheridan@usv.k12.oh.us ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:33:46 -0800 From: Tom Izzo Subject: Re: The Music Man, Disney made-for-television hahahahahah Actually I don't mind ME being called "tiny". And re: Henry's collection vs. mine--My collection has no two instruments alike, plus MOST of mine are Trombones. 1 Tuba, 2 Bass Trumpets, 1 Electric Bass, a handful of WW, & too many percussion do not a large collection of "brass", make. :-) Tom --- "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" wrote: > On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, J.c. Sherman wrote: > > > Boy, they certainly picked the right guy - Hank > has a collection that > > makes Mr. Izzo's look tiny. I better tune in! > > Mr. Izzo isn't going to like you calling him "tiny." > > > Carole > cnowicke@indiana.edu ===== Tom Izzo Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Bass Trumpet, Euphonium, Electric Bass, Percussion http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ (630) 983-1985 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 18:22:48 -0500 From: Bruce Guttman Subject: Re: Fillmore Trombone Rags Question Message text written by Jay Sheridan >List- Recently there was a question about Fillmore's set of trombone rags, and since I had them at school with my bass, I started playing some of them. I do have some questions that I have not been able to answer for myself. First, do them mean to have all of the markings like 2--------6---------1 or however they mark it to be played as a gliss?< That is indeed a gliss. In your example, you would start in 2nd, go to 6th, and come back to 1st. Though I don't think any of the glisses written by Fillmore were asymetrical like that. >Second, is the appropriate tempos. Lassus is mark as a "slow drag", but I have never heard it played very slow. If the quick tempo of Lassus is slow, about how fast do they want "lively"?< As Scott Joplin was credited with saying, "Ragtime should not be played fast". A quarter note to 92 or so should do it. People playing the music fast are just showing off. >Third, in looking at Lassus, there is the intro, section A (with a DS sign) with repeat signs and a 1st and 2nd ending as well as a third ending with Fine. Then there is the B section with repeat signs and a 1st and 2nd ending, and in the 2nd ending there is a DS al Fine. The Trio has it's own 1st and 2nd ending and then the ending section in the original key. I get confused when the DS al Fine happends before the trio, therefore not allowing you to play the Trio. < The roadmap for all the Fillmore rags is tough. My Dixieland Band usually gets it wrong and I have to make quick adjustments to the solo line all the time. There are A and B sections (repeated) to the main part with a DS to repeat A. Then you jump to the Trio, which has A and B sections (repeated) and often has its own DS either repeating part of the trio or part of the first part. Hope this helps. And give some of the other rags a try; most people play Lassus but there are also some other real gems. Bruce Guttman Solo Trombone, Hollis Town Band Hollis Dixieland Band Section Leader, Merrimack Valley Philharmonic Orchestra ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 18:53:26 EST From: ROSEBONE@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Fillmore Trombone Rags Question All, They are supposed to be played as glisses. Check out Fillmore's book on "jazz" trombone, published by Carl Fischer in 1926. for style and technique. Never "swung", played with straight eighth notes. Just because many folks don't know the tempo "Slow Drag" - right out of classic turn-of-the-century ragtime writing, it has for many years been played too fast, as a caricature of what is really is supposed to sound like. Try it at about quarter note=72, it takes on quite a different character, more like playing "molasses". Ragtime tempos ranged from 72 to 120, with the bulk being around 100 -108. Road maps like those that appear in these rags are very typical of pre-WWII publishing - they saved *lots* of paper, much like the Straus waltzes. Think of the road maps just like marches of the same period: 1st strain, 2nd strain, 1st strain - then key change to trio, break strain, and trio. Bill Rose McNeese State University Lake Charles, LA rosebone@aol.com In a message dated 2/12/03 4:35:03 PM, jsheridan@USV.K12.OH.US writes: >List- Recently there was a question about Fillmore's set of trombone rags, > >and since I had them at school with my bass, I started playing some of >them. > >I do have some questions that I have not been able to answer for myself. > > > >First, do them mean to have all of the markings like 2--------6---------1 > >or however they mark it to be played as a gliss? > > > >Second, is the appropriate tempos. Lassus is mark as a "slow drag", but >I > >have never heard it played very slow. If the quick tempo of Lassus is slow, > >about how fast do they want "lively"? > > > >Third, in looking at Lassus, there is the intro, section A (with a DS sign) > >with repeat signs and a 1st and 2nd ending as well as a third ending with > >Fine. Then there is the B section with repeat signs and a 1st and 2nd > >ending, and in the 2nd ending there is a DS al Fine. The Trio has it's >own > >1st and 2nd ending and then the ending section in the original key. I get > >confused when the DS al Fine happends before the trio, therefore not > >allowing you to play the Trio. > > In a message dated 2/12/03 4:35:03 PM, jsheridan@USV.K12.OH.US writes: >List- Recently there was a question about Fillmore's set of trombone rags, > >and since I had them at school with my bass, I started playing some of >them. > >I do have some questions that I have not been able to answer for myself. > > > >First, do them mean to have all of the markings like 2--------6---------1 > >or however they mark it to be played as a gliss? > > > >Second, is the appropriate tempos. Lassus is mark as a "slow drag", but >I > >have never heard it played very slow. If the quick tempo of Lassus is slow, > >about how fast do they want "lively"? > > > >Third, in looking at Lassus, there is the intro, section A (with a DS sign) > >with repeat signs and a 1st and 2nd ending as well as a third ending with > >Fine. Then there is the B section with repeat signs and a 1st and 2nd > >ending, and in the 2nd ending there is a DS al Fine. The Trio has it's >own > >1st and 2nd ending and then the ending section in the original key. I get > >confused when the DS al Fine happends before the trio, therefore not > >allowing you to play the Trio. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:43:02 -0800 From: Jim O'Briant Subject: Re: Fillmore Trombone Rags Question Bill Rose replied, to questions about the Fillmore "Trombone Family" rags: > They are supposed to be played as glisses. Yes. > Check out Fillmore's book on "jazz" trombone, > published by Carl Fischer in 1926, for style > and technique. Never "swung", played with > straight eighth notes. Do you have the exact title of this? And does anyone know whether it's still in print? > ... tempo "Slow Drag" - right out of classic > ... ragtime ... has for many years been played > too fast ... Try it at about quarter note=72, > it takes on quite a different character, more > like playing "molasses". That's probably what Fillmore had in mind fro "Lassus," but it really sounds unusual to ears that have been hearing it faster for decades! > Ragtime tempos ranged from 72 to 120, with the > bulk being around 100 -108. Someone else quoted Scott Joplin as saying that ragtime was not to be played fast, and this is right, at least until we get into the novelty piano stuff from the 1920's (things like Zez Confrey's "Dizzy Fingers" and the like, some of which are still titled or subtitled with the word "Rag"). A number of ragtime experts with whom I've corresponded or conversed in person all seem to agree that Joplin and the other "classic" rag composers usually intended a tempo of about 100 beats per minute for their rags. This is what they considered "Slow March Tempo," and a lot of published piano rags say exactly that as their tempo indication. > Road maps like those that appear in these > rags [Fillmore's Trombone Family] are very > typical of pre-WWII publishing - they saved > *lots* of paper, much like the Straus waltzes. This, and they let the publisher fit the entire thing on to one page of quickstep-size paper or one page in a quickstep-size book. > Think of the road maps just like marches of > the same period: 1st strain, 2nd strain, 1st > strain - then key change to trio, break > strain, and trio. I'd elaborate it this way, where A = first strain, B = second strain, and C = trio: Introduction A, A, B, B, A C, Break Strain, C, B. Most (if not all) of the Fillmore Trombone Family rags close with a re-statement of the second strain. Classic Piano Rags varied as widely in their structure as marches of the same era. Most had an Introduction. Most followed with A, A, B, B; some then recapitulated the A strain and some didn't. Some had one theme for the Trio ("C"), either with or with out an Interlude (i.e. "break strain" or "dogfight"). Following the trio, some recapitulated either the "A" or "B" strain, and if so, it might be in the original key or it might be transposed up a fourth to the same key as the Trio. (But not all of them changed key at the Trio.) Like Marches, Rags demonstrate almost infinite variety within a very restrictive form. Jim O'Briant Bayside Music Press Gilroy, CA www.baysidemusicpress.com ------------------------------ End of TROMBONE-L Digest - 11 Feb 2003 to 12 Feb 2003 (#2003-43) ****************************************************************