Subject: TROMBONE-L Digest - 23 Jan 2003 to 24 Jan 2003 (#2003-24) Date: Saturday, January 25, 2003 12:00 AM From: Automatic digest processor Reply-To: "Trombones and related issues forum." To: Recipients of TROMBONE-L digests There are 18 messages totalling 759 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Big Favor - Old ITA Journal Article 2. Band Calendar 3. Newsgroup etiquette (3) 4. Trombone/Low Brass Teaching gig- Western Carolina University 5. Duo Grav/6B (2) 6. Players needed (2) 7. Conn 50H advice 8. Conn 6H 9. CL2000 Valve (3) 10. The score says alto, but does it mean it? 11. Bass Trombone Orchestral Parts (2) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:41:20 -0800 From: Andrew Michael Subject: Re: Big Favor - Old ITA Journal Article Got it. Someone came through. I appreciate the inter-library loan suggestion. In fact, I made that suggestion to someone else recently and then didn't think of it myself. However, in this case time is of the essence. It's a bone-studying emergency. Cheers, Andy At 12:28 PM -0800 1/21/03, Andrew Michael wrote: >All, > >I have a big favor to ask of someone. I have a hankering to read >this article: >I.T.A. Journal, Vol. 10, No. 2, April 1982 >Gade, Per: An Interview with Thorkild Graae J¿rgensen > >Unfortunately, the Stanford Music Library does not subscribe to the >ITA Journal >and my other source for such things is out of town for a couple of weeks. > >So, if someone was willing to either copy it and mail it to me or >scan and email it >to me, I would be most appreciative and would certainly owe you one. One >what, I'm not sure. :-) > >I'll send out another note if I get an offer so that multiple people >don't wind up >doing this. > >Thanks much. >Andy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:58:12 +0100 From: Howard Weiner Subject: Re: Band Calendar At 22:21 23.01.03 -0500, Neal Schermerhorn wrote: >Article link: > >http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisobispo/5013122.htm > >"For the Cal Poly Wind Orchestra to get to Carnegie Hall this spring, it >will take practice, practice, practice. > >And a nude calendar.... > >The idea for a calendar is the brainchild of bass trombonist Holly Ransom, >a.k.a. Miss February..." > >Figures, a trombone player's idea! A BASS trombone player's idea! ;-) Howard -- Howard Weiner weiner@privat.toplink.de http://www.odilia.ch/howard-weiner If vegetarians eat only vegetables, what do humanitarians eat? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:03:35 -0000 From: Adrian Drover Subject: Re: Newsgroup etiquette From: "Keith Marr" > Those of you who look at alt.music.trombone will have noticed the most > disgusting foulmouthed and abusive contribution to the "Music Notation" > thread this afternoon. I responded as firmly as I felt necessary and the > person hasn't come back so maybe that's the last we see of him. It was so > unnecessary too. It's so easy to disagree without being abusive. > > The question is does anybody know what can be done on an unmoderated > newsgroup should someone like that persist with such contributions? Hi Keith I know that it is difficult, especially when suffering a personal attack from such unintelligent contributor, but Non-response is the best course of action. This kind of low-life usually feed on response. I reckon you have been lucky. Filter out their address from your incoming mails. Constant hate mail is very wearisome and upsetting, as a few trom-listers including myself have experienced. The trom-L has been relatively free of such attacks since it became monitored and I wish to thank again LM for his devoted attention to keeping our list peaceful and happy. A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 05:51:11 -0500 From: Peter Fielding Subject: Trombone/Low Brass Teaching gig- Western Carolina University Hello, I wanted to spread the word about a trombone teaching position that I learned about the other day. All the best, Peter Fielding ------------------- Western Carolina University Assistant Professor - Applied Low Brass Application Due: Open Until Filled Posted: 01/21/2003 Location: NC Type: Full Time POSITION: Applied Low Brass, Tenure Track: Full-time, nine-month appointment Candidate will teach applied low brass (trombone performance area preferred) with additional duties in the candidateÕs field of expertise (music theory, music education preferred), additional duties may be assigned in ensemble directing, conducting and liberal studies as load permits. QUALIFICATIONS: Doctorate, ABD considered RANK AND SALARY: Assistant professor, Salary commensurate with qualifications and expertise. APPLICATIONS: Please send application letter, resume, recent recording of a performance (CD , tape, or video), three letters of recommendations , a list of references (including title, phone number, mailing address, and email address), and most recent transcripts. Applications will be reviewed beginning on February 3rd, 2003; position will be open until filled. A self-addressed stamped mailer is required for return of supporting materials. Western Carolina University is one of sixteen constituent institutions of the University of North Carolina, and is located 55 miles west-southwest of Asheville, North Carolina adjacent to the Great Smoky Mountains. The University enrolls approximately 7000 students in four undergraduate colleges and a graduate school. The Department of Music has 17 full-time plus affiliate and part-time faculty and offers undergraduate and graduate degrees in music. The Department of Music is a member of the National Association of Schools of Music. Apply To Mail: Dr. Mario Gaetano, Chair: Low Brass Search Committee Western Carolina University Department of Music Highway 107 Cullowhee, NC 28723 Phone: NA Fax: NA TDD: NA Online App: NA Via Email: gaetano@email.wcu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 12:56:53 -0000 From: Keith Marr Subject: Re: Duo Grav/6B I think that must be the answer then. It was a 6B and when they called it the Duo Gravis it become the 7B. Mine has Duo Gravis on the bell. ------------------------ Keith in Bb/F/D www.allthingsmusic.co.uk/entertainers/keith.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "D.J. Kennedy" To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 4:20 AM Subject: Re: [TBN-L] Duo Grav/6B > seeing is beleiving !!!!!!!!! > a pic is worth a 1000 posts !!!!!!! > > Keith Harshaw wrote: > > > It is a 6B, it's my horn. Care for a picture of the bell showing the model? It does NOT have Duo Gravis engraved on it as I've seen some 6Bs. Bell reads: > > > > King > > 2106 > > USA > > 6B > > > > Keith Harshaw > > -----Original Message----- > > From: J.c. Sherman [mailto:thetubameister@ATT.NET] > > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:41 PM > > To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU > > Subject: [TBN-L] Duo Grav/6B > > > > There is a 6B/Duo Gravis on E-bay - at least the seller believes it a 6B :-) > > > > J.c. Sherman > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 12:58:36 -0000 From: Keith Marr Subject: Re: Newsgroup etiquette It's certainly been very mundane recently. Nothing you can't discuss on T-L. ------------------------ Keith in Bb/F/D www.allthingsmusic.co.uk/entertainers/keith.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Oien" To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [TBN-L] Newsgroup etiquette I don't think the newsgroup offers anything unusual. In fact I'm not even sure why I read it anymore. > Jeff Oien ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:56:48 -0500 From: Coop Subject: Re: Newsgroup etiquette Further to the following thread - in case you missed it. If you are using Outlook Express, you can go to View>Current View>Define Views and then click "New". This brings up numerous options on how to filter the messages you receive on Newsgroups/usenet. For example, if you don't want to see those ads for HGH and "male stamina", select the box beside "Where the subject line contains..." and then click on the link that appears below and add the words you don't want to see, OK, then click on the "Show/hide" link and choose "Hide". If you only want to see messages that deal with certain types of trombones for sale, follow the above steps and then choose "Show" instead of "hide". The same goes if you want to block out or see certain certain senders. After you have set this up, choose the "Apply View" button and you are on your way. Ian Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:05:33 -0000 From: Keith Marr Subject: Newsgroup etiquette Those of you who look at alt.music.trombone will have noticed the most disgusting foulmouthed and abusive contribution to the "Music Notation" thread this afternoon. I responded as firmly as I felt necessary and the person hasn't come back so maybe that's the last we see of him. It was so unnecessary too. It's so easy to disagree without being abusive. The question is does anybody know what can be done on an unmoderated newsgroup should someone like that persist with such contributions? Just interested. ------------------------ Keith in Bb/F/D www.allthingsmusic.co.uk/entertainers/keith.htm ----------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:01:03 -0600 From: Jeff Oien Subject: Re: Newsgroup etiquette > Those of you who look at alt.music.trombone will have noticed the most > disgusting foulmouthed and abusive contribution to the "Music Notation" > thread this afternoon. I responded as firmly as I felt necessary and the > person hasn't come back so maybe that's the last we see of him. It was so > unnecessary too. It's so easy to disagree without being abusive. > > The question is does anybody know what can be done on an unmoderated > newsgroup should someone like that persist with such contributions? > > Just interested. > ------------------------ > Keith in Bb/F/D > www.allthingsmusic.co.uk/entertainers/keith.htm That's typical Usenet. You should see some of the other newsgroups. The trombone group has been very tame. I don't see what you could do unless some sort of laws were broken. Even then it's tough to do anything about it. As much as I hate and am against obscene language, I guess with all the years being on Usenet it doesn't surprise me at all anymore. Some real dregs hang out there. Makes me thankful for this mailing list and OTJ. I don't think the newsgroup offers anything unusual. In fact I'm not even sure why I read it anymore. Jeff Oien ----------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:44:05 -0500 From: Dale Cruse Subject: Re: Newsgroup etiquette Since the group is not moderated, there isn't much you can do to stop this person from posting. But most newsgroup reader software contains some sort of blocking filter or "kill file." I suggest researching the various methods for the most popular software and then sharing them with the group. While you can't shut this person up, you can set it up so that you don't have to listen. Good luck. ---- Dale Cruse www.dalecruse.com Setting you up for online success. On 1/23/03 7:05 PM, "Keith Marr" wrote: > Those of you who look at alt.music.trombone will have noticed the most > disgusting foulmouthed and abusive contribution to the "Music Notation" > thread this afternoon. I responded as firmly as I felt necessary and the > person hasn't come back so maybe that's the last we see of him. It was so > unnecessary too. It's so easy to disagree without being abusive. > > The question is does anybody know what can be done on an unmoderated > newsgroup should someone like that persist with such contributions? > > Just interested. > ------------------------ > Keith in Bb/F/D > www.allthingsmusic.co.uk/entertainers/keith.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 16:17:06 -0000 From: Keith Marr Subject: Players needed Message for SE United Kingdom The Stevenage Symphony Orchestra are looking for trombonists for their next concert on April 5th. Details as follows: Ashwell Parish Church, April 5th 7.30pm Borodin - On the Steppes of Central Asia Mendelssohn - Violin Concerto (no trombones needed) Dvorak - Symphony No. 8 in G Major (sometimes known as No. 4) We particularly need second and bass trombones, but if we can get a first too I'm double booked at present. Anyone lurking out there? ------------------------ Keith in Bb/F/D www.allthingsmusic.co.uk/entertainers/keith.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 08:40:43 -0800 From: Gary Sloane Subject: Re: Conn 50H advice Just another $0.02 on the 50H controversy. I bought a new one with factory silver plating in 1995 for $700, if that helps to establish what the used value should be. I liked the ultra-narrow handslide and fairly quick response; however, it was extremely stuffy in the valve and, IMO, the tone was never any good at all. (I know some people will say it's just me, but I mean compared to my other horns.) Nevertheless, there's at least one really fine player in the Bay Area who has a room full of symphonic tenors and basses who regularly plays an old 50H and makes it sound great. I should add that I thought he sounded even better on my old 80H Custom (like a 78H w/F), especially doing the famously impossible (on a single-valve) Berlioz glissando, and don't know why he chooses to play the 50H except for its light weight. FWIW, any clapped out 3B with an F-attachment will sound better than the best 50H I've heard; nearly any Bach 36 will make a better symphonic horn than any 3B; and I just unloaded a beautiful Bach LT36BOG because it didn't compare favorably to my old Conn 80H except that the gold brass looked pretty. It's hard to imagine anything that couldn't be done much better on a 78H or 88H than on a 50H. ************************************************* * Gary Sloane ERRATA: * * sloane@batnet.com For errata read erratum * ************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 16:58:10 +0000 From: "J.c. Sherman" Subject: Conn 6H This has probably been asked before, but... I got a Conn 6H in the shop - Bare Brass, Friction Fit (but with a slide lock (?)), tuning-in-bell, very low six digit serial. The engraving style screams early-mid 20's. Anyone know anything about these? Is it worth restoring? Likewise, I got another oddity - a King tuning-in-slide instrument, marked on the slide "large bore - low pitch", mid 5-digit serial. Huge back bow guard on the bell section, one brace. It hangs around 440 with the tuning slide completely in, and it is obviosly not a large bore by our standards. Plus, we have a horn there that in every way is it's clone, save that it is tuning -in- bell, but with the same markings and close serials. Was the tuning-in-slide an option? The sound is great but it is a finicky horn - only certain mouthpieces work on it, otherwise it sounds awful. Bach 7, and 15c work well (?!). I'm still looking to purchase calipers, but I guess the bore of both of these axes in the .500 range. Am I right? Thanks in advance, J.c. Sherman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 12:41:34 -0600 From: "D.J. Kennedy" Subject: Re: Players needed ok --you guys -get thoses 88s going !!! Keith Marr wrote: > Message for SE United Kingdom > > The Stevenage Symphony Orchestra are looking for trombonists for their next > concert on April 5th. Details as follows: > > Ashwell Parish Church, April 5th 7.30pm > Borodin - On the Steppes of Central Asia > Mendelssohn - Violin Concerto (no trombones needed) > Dvorak - Symphony No. 8 in G Major (sometimes known as No. 4) > > We particularly need second and bass trombones, but if we can get a first > too I'm double booked at present. > > Anyone lurking out there? > ------------------------ > Keith in Bb/F/D > www.allthingsmusic.co.uk/entertainers/keith.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:01:01 -0600 From: "Isaac J. Roorda" Subject: CL2000 Valve Greetings, listers, I've started looking seriously at buying a new horn sometime soon, and I'm leaning toward a Conn 88H with Lindberg valve. Does anyone have much or any experience with this system? How does it compare to a Thayer valve or just a standard rotor? Is it as good as Conn's literature says? Thanks, Isaac Roorda ------------------------ Isaac J. Roorda Pella, IA Tuba - Pella High "Marching Dutch" & Concert Band Bass Trombone - Pella High Jazz II ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:38:41 +0100 From: Anders Carlsson Subject: Re: Duo Grav/6B mail@gothicway.fsnet.co.uk writes: >I think that must be the answer then. It was a 6B and when >they called it >the Duo Gravis it become the 7B. Mine has Duo Gravis on >the bell. The 6B/Duo Gravis same horn. The engraving on the bell changed some where along the line. I have a King catalog from the 80s where it's called the 6B Duo Gravis. I have a 6B but it doesn't say Duo Gravis anywhere. Same horn though. 7B is an inline version of it with a semi-open wrap. Like the kind found on Benges. Same kind of semiopen on the 8B. /Anders Carlsson Gothenburg Sweden ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 23:56:17 -0000 From: Keith Marr Subject: Re: CL2000 Valve The guy playing seconds in one of my orchestras came back from the states with an 88HCL last year and is well pleased with it. It is very free blowing with a good sound. The most noticeable characteristic of the Lindberg valve is that it has the most tiny throw. Hardly any distance at all to activate it. I guess it's too soon to say about stuff like the durability of the valve and how maintenance free/heavy it is. They've only been around for a year or so. I have heard of some folk having intonation problems with them, but it sounds an okay instrument from where I sit next to him. ------------------------ Keith in Bb/F/D www.allthingsmusic.co.uk/entertainers/keith.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isaac J. Roorda" To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 9:01 PM Subject: [TBN-L] CL2000 Valve > Greetings, listers, > > I've started looking seriously at buying a new horn sometime soon, and > I'm leaning toward a Conn 88H with Lindberg valve. Does anyone have much or > any experience with this system? How does it compare to a Thayer valve or > just a standard rotor? Is it as good as Conn's literature says? > > Thanks, > Isaac Roorda > ------------------------ > Isaac J. Roorda > Pella, IA > Tuba - Pella High "Marching Dutch" & Concert Band > Bass Trombone - Pella High Jazz II > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 19:28:22 -0500 From: Chris Dearth Subject: Re: CL2000 Valve Definitely better than a standard rotor. Moving between the Bb side and F side is VERY fluid. I agree with Keith. They have the shortest throw. If I had to choose between a Conn with a CL2000 and a regular rotor, I'd go with the CL2000. Chris Dearth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isaac J. Roorda" To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 4:01 PM Subject: [TBN-L] CL2000 Valve > Greetings, listers, > > I've started looking seriously at buying a new horn sometime soon, and > I'm leaning toward a Conn 88H with Lindberg valve. Does anyone have much or > any experience with this system? How does it compare to a Thayer valve or > just a standard rotor? Is it as good as Conn's literature says? > > Thanks, > Isaac Roorda > ------------------------ > Isaac J. Roorda > Pella, IA > Tuba - Pella High "Marching Dutch" & Concert Band > Bass Trombone - Pella High Jazz II > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 01:14:52 -0000 From: Keith Marr Subject: The score says alto, but does it mean it? I am mainly a big band and orchestral bass trombonist but I occasionally, and just recently rather more regularly get called upon by a local orchestra to play first. The question I find I am asking myself at the beginning of each rehearsal schedule is whether to play alto or tenor. A lot of parts are written for alto according to the score but I wonder if the composer was merely following a convention. One thinks of Dvorak's writing for trumpets and horns as if natural instruments were in use, marking in all the changes of crook whilst at the same time writing passages that can only be played by keyed instruments. So I'm looking for views on the following composers who specify alto for the first part, and these are my initial suggestions. Alto to be played on alto Mozart Beethoven Mendelssohn Brahms Alto to be played on tenor Borodin Glinka Dvorak Gliere Schubert Obviously this isn't an exhaustive list, just a start point. So anyone with a view of the situation regarding other composers, I'm listening. What about Schumann for example? Also I dare say with some composers it varies from one work to another. Any thoughts? ------------------------ Keith in Bb/F/D www.allthingsmusic.co.uk/entertainers/keith.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 21:44:52 -0500 From: "Daniel E. Beckley" Subject: Bass Trombone Orchestral Parts Hello all! I'm preparing for an audition and I have located all the parts I need at = Hickey's, except the following: BARTOK - Miraculous Mandarin STRAUSS - Le Bourgeois Gentilhomme Where might one get a hold of the bass trombone parts to these? Thanks! -Daniel E. Beckley Freelance Bass Trombonist, Low Brass Instructor Washington, D.C. Metro Area (703) 366-3483 beckley@beckleyweb.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 20:19:13 -0700 From: Steve Gamble Subject: Re: Bass Trombone Orchestral Parts Hi Daniel, Those two pieces are rental only. You will need to get a score and copy out the parts yourself or find someone who has a photocopy of the parts you need. Some orchestras will automatically send the candidates copies of the excerpts from rental only pieces. Maybe you should ask. Steve Gamble, Librarian Tucson Symphony Orchestra 2175 N. 6th Ave. Tucson, AZ 85705 sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org 520-792-9155 x118 520-792-9314 fax 520-991-7056 cel -----Original Message----- From: Trombones and related issues forum. [mailto:TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU] On Behalf Of Daniel E. Beckley Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 7:45 PM To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU Subject: [TBN-L] Bass Trombone Orchestral Parts Hello all! I'm preparing for an audition and I have located all the parts I need at Hickey's, except the following: BARTOK - Miraculous Mandarin STRAUSS - Le Bourgeois Gentilhomme Where might one get a hold of the bass trombone parts to these? Thanks! -Daniel E. Beckley Freelance Bass Trombonist, Low Brass Instructor Washington, D.C. Metro Area (703) 366-3483 beckley@beckleyweb.com ------------------------------ End of TROMBONE-L Digest - 23 Jan 2003 to 24 Jan 2003 (#2003-24) ****************************************************************