Subject: TROMBONE-L Digest - 20 Jan 2003 to 21 Jan 2003 (#2003-21) Date: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 12:00 AM From: Automatic digest processor Reply-To: "Trombones and related issues forum." To: Recipients of TROMBONE-L digests There are 19 messages totalling 881 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Romeo and Juliet (2) 2. NAMM show report (2) 3. Midi Question (8) 4. Lewis Kahn 5. John Fedchock at OMEA Dist 12 Honors Jazz Fest. 6. Serpent Alert 7. williams 9 8. Big Favor - Old ITA Journal Article 9. tomas 10. /wrw news////more namm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:09:53 -0800 From: Andrew Michael Subject: Re: Romeo and Juliet At 9:39 PM -0500 1/20/03, Chris Dearth wrote: >Does anybody know where to get a copy of Christian Lindberg's >arrangement of, "Romeo and Juliet" by Sergei Prokofiev? Try Christian Lindberg's web site (google to get there) and then there is a link to his publisher. Most of what he has arranged or written is there for sale or rent. Cheers, Andy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:34:16 +0000 From: Daniel Pliskin Subject: Re: NAMM show report > >>I avoid garage sales and flee markets. > >Excellent. A typo with complete deniability. > CanŐt get no respect around this joint. Makes me feel right at home. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 23:22:47 -0700 From: "Roger L. Karren" Subject: Re: Midi Question Band in a Box 12. Import the MIDI file and then export as a WAV. Windows Media could then convert it to MP3. -----Original Message----- From: Trombones and related issues forum. [mailto:TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU] On Behalf Of Daryl Burch Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 10:41 PM To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU Subject: Re: [TBN-L] Midi Question On the PC at least, you can use Reason (Propellerhead) to play the MIDI track to a WAV file. Then use something like Cool Edit Pro (Syntrillium Software) or SoundForge (Sonic Foundry) to master and compress to mp3. The real trick for saving file size comes down to a compromise of how tight you compress it and how good you want it to sound. <--TROMBONE CONTENT--> If you're compression an audio file with a single sound source (or not highly contrasted like triangle & electric bass)--e.g.: trombone choir/quartet, spoken voice, solo piano--you can downsample the file at 22kHz instead of the normal 44kHz. This will save you about half the file size or more. This downsampling is important for those of us with quartets/quintets or chamber groups who want their stuff up online, but don't want to kill their listeners with excessive downloads. On the Mac, I still believe Digital Performer's the way to go. Hinch (hinch@earthlink.net) should have some valuable input on this. If others express interest, please reply to the list. Otherwise I'd be happy to respond off list. Regards, Daryl Burch www.radionoise.com SF, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Dyess" To: Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 8:42 PM Subject: [TBN-L] Midi Question > OK, this isn't exactly trombone related. Unless you are trying to > find the best sounding tone generator to replace the trombone (but > please don't try too hard). > > I have a friend who wants to make mp3's from midi files. The only > way I know to do this is to record the file from a tone generator or > via the sound-out on the computer... then make a conversion. > > I can do it... but I'm a Mac guy and tend to go the recording > engineer route. Anyone have knowledge they would care to share with > a friend? > > Midi to mp3 -- for internet use. > > ???? > Wayne Dyess > -- > ========================= > Dr. J. Wayne Dyess, Professor of Music > Lamar University Music Department > P. O. Box 10044 > Beaumont, Texas 77710 > 409-880-8146 > FAX: 409-880-8143 > dyessjw@hal.lamar.edu > http://www.lamar.edu > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 23:57:42 -0700 From: James Scott Subject: Re: Romeo and Juliet Chris - I just checked his web site, and didn't see it there either, but you might try e-mailing him through his site - www.tarrodi.se/lindberg/index.html I know that Joe Alessi played it a couple of years ago, so it's available from somewhere. It just might not be available to the general public. Jim Scott Chris Dearth wrote: >Does anybody know where to get a copy of Christian Lindberg's arrangement of, "Romeo and Juliet" by Sergei Prokofiev? I've searched Hickey's and Robert King's web sites and was wondering if it is out there somewhere. I've wanted to do this for sometimel, but am beginning to believe I need to get a ballet version of the score (piano reduced for ballet rehearsal) and create my own version (using full score for more detailed dynamics). This is a little more of a headache than finding Christian's arrangement. > >Chris Dearth > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 23:13:47 -0800 From: Daryl Burch Subject: Re: Midi Question "Band in a Box 12" is definitely the more cost conscious way to go @ $88. I've certainly spent more than that on dinner! Reason--although it is wicked powerful and runs like a full MIDI rack studio complete with synths, samplers, drum machines, and as big a mixer as your machine can handle--is not for the weak of budget @ $279. Add to that Cool Edit Pro @ $250, and extra CDs of samples & drum loops and your MIDI studio is as much as or more than your computer. If you do go the more expensive rout, I also _strongly_ recommend you drop another hundred or so on a decent 24-bit soundcard. With Reason & Cool Edit Pro, latency becomes on issue and will frustrate the heck out of you when you're trying to get your mix just right. Also, having a cheap sound card will severly inhibit your ability to play your parts in in realtime. Personally, I find Reason invaluable in writing because I can sketch out new tunes quickly & email these sketches to my associates. Write it on Wednesday... Rehearse it on Thursday. Perform it on Friday. As with all computer-based recording/editing software, you can let yourself get really bogged down in the process to the point that it detracts from your writing. Ergo, the song never gets finished--the "black hole" of personal recording reigns on. .....just my five cents. Regards, Daryl Burch www.radionoise.com SF, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger L. Karren" To: Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [TBN-L] Midi Question > Band in a Box 12. > > Import the MIDI file and then export as a WAV. Windows Media could then > convert it to MP3. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Trombones and related issues forum. > [mailto:TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU] On Behalf Of Daryl Burch > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 10:41 PM > To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU > Subject: Re: [TBN-L] Midi Question > > On the PC at least, you can use Reason (Propellerhead) to play the MIDI > track to a WAV file. Then use something like Cool Edit Pro (Syntrillium > Software) or SoundForge (Sonic Foundry) to master and compress to mp3. > The > real trick for saving file size comes down to a compromise of how tight > you > compress it and how good you want it to sound. > > <--TROMBONE CONTENT--> > If you're compression an audio file with a single sound source (or not > highly contrasted like triangle & electric bass)--e.g.: trombone > choir/quartet, spoken voice, solo piano--you can downsample the file at > 22kHz instead of the normal 44kHz. This will save you about half the > file > size or more. > > This downsampling is important for those of us with quartets/quintets or > chamber groups who want their stuff up online, but don't want to kill > their > listeners with excessive downloads. > > On the Mac, I still believe Digital Performer's the way to go. Hinch > (hinch@earthlink.net) should have some valuable input on this. > > If others express interest, please reply to the list. Otherwise I'd be > happy > to respond off list. > > Regards, > Daryl Burch > www.radionoise.com > SF, CA > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wayne Dyess" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 8:42 PM > Subject: [TBN-L] Midi Question > > > > OK, this isn't exactly trombone related. Unless you are trying to > > find the best sounding tone generator to replace the trombone (but > > please don't try too hard). > > > > I have a friend who wants to make mp3's from midi files. The only > > way I know to do this is to record the file from a tone generator or > > via the sound-out on the computer... then make a conversion. > > > > I can do it... but I'm a Mac guy and tend to go the recording > > engineer route. Anyone have knowledge they would care to share with > > a friend? > > > > Midi to mp3 -- for internet use. > > > > ???? > > Wayne Dyess > > -- > > ========================= > > Dr. J. Wayne Dyess, Professor of Music > > Lamar University Music Department > > P. O. Box 10044 > > Beaumont, Texas 77710 > > 409-880-8146 > > FAX: 409-880-8143 > > dyessjw@hal.lamar.edu > > http://www.lamar.edu > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:57:01 -0400 From: sabutin Subject: Re: Lewis Kahn >Who can tell me anything about trombonist/violinist Lewis Kahn? >I'm interested in biographical type stuff. >Any relation to Gus Kahn? Thannks, JB ========== I don't know about "biographical" stuff except that he grew up in Brooklyn lives there to this day, and studied w/the relatively unknown but great trombonist and teachers Jack Nowinski. He is one of my best and oldest friends, a great trombonist who collects and plays old Conns, a veru good violinist, and he has been particularly active on the latin scene in NYC for 30 years. Mostly he plays a trigger Conn 14H from the '30s...bell tuning, .525/.547 bore. Wonderful man, wonderful player. S. P.S. Sorry to respond so late...busy times for me... -- (Sam Burtis, author of "The American Trombone" and proud proprietor of The Trombone Store in NYC, featuring only the finest new and used lower brass instruments and accessories. Visit us on the web at [still under construction], email us at , or call us at [718] 796-4413. By appointment only.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:21:27 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee Subject: Re: Midi Question Look into Wavmaker -- it is designed to do exactly this. I've never used it. FInd it at http://www.polyhedric.com/software/wavmaker/ Also Roland Virtual Sound Canvas has great quality rendering, but is a real pain to use. At 10:42 PM 1/20/2003 -0600, you wrote: >OK, this isn't exactly trombone related. Unless you are trying to >find the best sounding tone generator to replace the trombone (but >please don't try too hard). > >I have a friend who wants to make mp3's from midi files. The only >way I know to do this is to record the file from a tone generator or >via the sound-out on the computer... then make a conversion. > >I can do it... but I'm a Mac guy and tend to go the recording >engineer route. Anyone have knowledge they would care to share with >a friend? > >Midi to mp3 -- for internet use. > >???? >Wayne Dyess >-- >========================= > Dr. J. Wayne Dyess, Professor of Music > Lamar University Music Department > P. O. Box 10044 > Beaumont, Texas 77710 > 409-880-8146 > FAX: 409-880-8143 >dyessjw@hal.lamar.edu >http://www.lamar.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:28:05 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee Subject: Re: NAMM show report At 06:34 AM 1/21/2003 +0000, Daniel Pliskin wrote: >>>I avoid garage sales and flee markets. >> >>Excellent. A typo with complete deniability. > >Can't get no respect around this joint. Makes me feel right at home. > >DanP And in the original email, there was this: "Some have unsoldered bell rims, some have gold brass crooks, to taylor each model to a different style of music or different player." ... as in, give the instrument the Dave Taylor treatment. I wish all my typos could be so good. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:08:52 -0500 From: Denver Seifried Subject: John Fedchock at OMEA Dist 12 Honors Jazz Fest. I know that quit a few list members are high school/college students, who are getting some great experience on the trombone, by playing in their jazz band/jazz combos, at their schools. I know we also have some directors of these organizations, on the list. I wanted to relay to the list, what a wonderful experience I had, last Saturday, with John Fedchock, who was the guest performer, along with the DJO, at the Ohio Music Ed. Assoc. District 12 Honors Jazz Band Festival, in Centerville, OH. I would very strongly encourage those of you involved with your jazz programs, to contact John, and have him present one of his concert/clinics, with your school jazz program. In the short time we had, John was able perform a couple of tunes with us and do some question & answer things with the students attending. John really has a very low-key, relaxed approach with the students and I found his ideas on warm-ups, use of rhythm in improv, who-what-and why to listen to, his own high school-college-road experiences, and his arranging techniques, to be most informative and interesting to the students and myself. John is able to work with any charts, either some of the NYBB charts (very demanding) or just give John some open space, in whatever charts you have in your book, as he did with the high school/middle school honors jazz bands. Since John is a clinician with C.G.Conn (old UMI), I am sure Conn and your local Conn dealers can help with the arrangements to get John into your area. Please check out John's web page at: www.johnfedchock.com Besides being a world-class trombonist, John can also clinic in jazz arranging, which would really be great for the college/university, with arranging classes. Denny Seifried Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Symphony & Dayton Jazz Orchestra Adjunct Trombone-Wittenberg Univ. Dept. of Music ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 12:02:34 -0500 From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL Subject: Serpent Alert Go to www.mimf.com and check out the Forum/WindInstruments/How to make a pretty good serpent quickly and cheaply. Also follow the link to Scott's home page for the pictures of the finished products. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:25:23 +0000 From: Daniel Pliskin Subject: Re: Midi Question >"Band in a Box 12" is definitely the more cost conscious way to go @ $88. >If you do go the more expensive rout, I also _strongly_ recommend you drop >another hundred or so on a decent 24-bit soundcard. >... I was studying why sound synthesizers donŐt sound real, when they threw me out of college with a degree in electrical engineering. It wasnŐt quite like that, but kinda. But what I had basically come up with was that if a synthesizer plays the same note twice and it sounds the same, your ear will know that itŐs not real. That goes for dinky synthesizers as well as mega-samplers. ThereŐs no doubt that audio electronics noticeably improves every year. So I have mixed feelings about the advantages of a 24-bit sound card. Yes it might be far better than the 20-bit sound cards of a couple of years ago, but you definitely wonŐt be getting close to the promise of 144 dB of sound quality. In contrast, no matter how bad a musician is, their signal to noise ratio is infinite. DanP _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 12:54:50 -0600 From: "D.J. Kennedy" Subject: williams 9 hey kelly here is an unusual size ---515n/515 b/f williams 9 not sure how is sounds w 9 in bell most likely its niceand thin -and velvety responsive ---------------------------------------------------------- keith is still looking for a 4 or 6 KEITHHOCKIN@aol.com wrote: > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: No Subject > Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:05:28 EST > From: Wafeki@aol.com > To: KEITHHOCKIN@aol.com > > I don't have a 4 or 6 but if you are interested in Williams horns, I have a > 9, .515 bore, f trigger, 9" bell, made by Earl in 1969. One owner. Asking > $1200. Let me know if you are interested or if you know someone who would > like it. > Steve > > Dept. of Music > Dodge MC1825 > Columbia University > 2960 Broadway > NY NY 10027 > 212-854-5837 > 212-854-8191 fax > sf525@columbia.edu > http://www.bosavipeoplesfund.org > http://www.music.columbia.edu/~cecenter/ceflyer.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:12:55 -0800 From: Daryl Burch Subject: Re: Midi Question >In contrast, no matter how bad a musician is, their signal to noise ratio is >infinite. Great point! At least with good gear you can truly see the quality of the writing..... -D- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:47:49 -0600 From: Corliss Subject: Re: Midi Question I don't know much about sound cards but I have at times followed the discussions on the Band-in-the-Box forum. Those who make use of sound cards, as opposed to sound generators, focus on finding the best and most appropriate sound fonts for the music they play and some of them make use of more than one sound bank. The popular sound card is the SoundBlaster L:ive and it is said that the least expensive one functions as well as the more expensive ones. I don't recall any mentioning of 24-bit sound cards. Do they enhance the quality of the sound of all sound fonts? How does the 24-bit sound card compare to the various sound generators? I realize that this is a big question but is the assumption that the 24-bit card can out perform most sound generators. Below it is said, "what I had basically come up with was that if a synthesizer plays the > same note twice and it sounds the same, your ear will know that it's not > real." I suggest that the ear does not literally know anything. It merely gives us the sounds. It is we who interpret those sounds. The interesting question is whether all of us intrerpret those sounds in the same relevant way. I use a Roland SC8820 sound generator with a laptop computer in live performances - along with trombone, vocals and keyboard - and at times the sounds from the sound generator seems very real. Having worked with this hardware for about a year I'm starting to wonder whether I should upgrade it. Richard Corliss ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [TBN-L] Midi Question > >"Band in a Box 12" is definitely the more cost conscious way to go @ $88. > > >If you do go the more expensive rout, I also _strongly_ recommend you drop > >another hundred or so on a decent 24-bit soundcard. > > >... > > I was studying why sound synthesizers don't sound real, when they threw me > out of college with a degree in electrical engineering. It wasn't quite > like that, but kinda. > > But what I had basically come up with was that if a synthesizer plays the > same note twice and it sounds the same, your ear will know that it's not > real. That goes for dinky synthesizers as well as mega-samplers. > > There's no doubt that audio electronics noticeably improves every year. So > I have mixed feelings about the advantages of a 24-bit sound card. Yes it > might be far better than the 20-bit sound cards of a couple of years ago, > but you definitely won't be getting close to the promise of 144 dB of sound > quality. > > In contrast, no matter how bad a musician is, their signal to noise ratio is > infinite. > > DanP > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months > http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 20:18:06 +0000 From: Daniel Pliskin Subject: Re: Midi Question >How does the 24-bit sound card compare to the various sound >generators? ItŐs not such a hard question, once youŐve thought about it for a while. There are two contradicting technical issues. The promise of 24 bits is that it will give you 6 dB per bit of signal-to-noise. That would be 144 dB and as far as I know no commercial piece of audio electronics is that good. But if youŐve listened to any great 78s lately, or even a beat up old cassette, youŐll agree that although the noise floor is very high, thereŐs still a lot of music there, thatŐs worth listening to. So maybe that additional 24 dB, or so, that 24-bit audio promises, does give you something extra, worth listening to, down there in the noise. Unfortunately, the move to 24 bits seems to be more of a marketing issue than an issue of being able to technically take advantage of that extra headroom. Will a 24-bit sound card, sound better than a cheaper 20-bit sound card? Ultimately, you get to let your ears, testosterone level and wallet, make that call. DanP _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 12:28:14 -0800 From: Andrew Michael Subject: Big Favor - Old ITA Journal Article All, I have a big favor to ask of someone. I have a hankering to read this article: I.T.A. Journal, Vol. 10, No. 2, April 1982 Gade, Per: An Interview with Thorkild Graae Jżrgensen Unfortunately, the Stanford Music Library does not subscribe to the ITA Journal and my other source for such things is out of town for a couple of weeks. So, if someone was willing to either copy it and mail it to me or scan and email it to me, I would be most appreciative and would certainly owe you one. One what, I'm not sure. :-) I'll send out another note if I get an offer so that multiple people don't wind up doing this. Thanks much. Andy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 12:29:13 -0800 From: Daryl Burch Subject: Re: Midi Question >Ultimately, you get to let your ears, testosterone level and >wallet, make that call. I 2nd that! -D- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:47:54 -0700 From: Tom Ervin Subject: Re: tomas Hmm. I think that I have none of these! And I am also pretty stupid about making copies, or sending them as files. I'm not really a collector or an audiophile, as much as I do enjoy JJ and others. I am forwarding your note to a few collectors and many trombonists (and they should write you directly, not thru me please). I think you will get many responses from them. Also see http://tapmusic.com/ Best Wishes, all. Tom Ervin >Hi friend,I work in the University of Alicante (Spain), I have studies >of musical History and I play the trombone too( King 3B 2103,King 4B >and Bach Stradivarius). These are the disks of trombonist JJJohnson that >I am looking for because they are not available in music's stores and >others, as Amazon and CDNow. If you have some CD disk or LP of these >list or others JJJohnson music, I would like you to get a copy me,please >tell me how I can get a copy : >á Aurex Jazz Festival(1982) >á Stonebone(1969) >á Israel(1968) >á Say When(1964) >á The complete JJJohnson Columbia Small..(MOSAIC) >á Perceptions(1961) >á A touch of Satin(1960) >á First place(1957) >á Dave Brubeck and Jay & Kai at Newport(1956) >á Really LivinŐ(1959) >á Trombone and voices(1960) >á Andre Previn and JJ play the music of Kurt Weill(1962) > >Also it interests me especially all the trombone music (jazz, classic, >avant garde...);but many disks are not gotten in Spain or the rest of >Europe. >In all ways If you agree, we can exchange our music lists with the >purpose of being able to exchange recordings (recordings in CDr). Tell >me your address and I will send you my list. My list contains jazz >disks and enough trombone music (jazz and classic). I am serious and >respectful with music's exchange, you won't have any problem with me. I >wait your answer sincerely, especially if you have some disk of >JJJohnson. My address is: >JOSE TOMAS PLANELLES SORIA >UNIVERSIDAD DE ALICANTE-BECAS >APDO 99-03080-ALICANTE-ESPA„A >EMAIL: TOMAS.PLANELLES@UA.ES >Tom‡s, from Spain. >Universidad de Alicante -- -------------------- Tom Ervin, Professor of Music, University of Arizona, PO Box 210004 Tucson AZ 85721-0004 Office 520/621-7021, Fax 520/621-8118 ervint@u.arizona.edu http://tom-ervin.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 20:43:11 -0600 From: "D.J. Kennedy" Subject: /wrw news////more namm hey rudy this is so good its goin out Rudy Garcia wrote: > DJ!!!!! > > My Brother!! > > Spoke with WRW on Sat. 01/182002, Bill was at the Bach/Selmer booth at the > NAMM show. WRW was affable as ever. WRW looked great!!. WRW was sporting a > tux and loooked totally cool!. WRW was doing the Frank Sinatra Jr. gig at > the NAMM show. WRW was "holding Court" at the Bach booth, tons of people > hanging out, getting autographs etc. WRW was smoking!!, playing soooo quiet, > I was standing maybe a foot away, hearing all his attacks, seeing all his > slide positions, WRW is the best!!!!!!!!! Bobby Flynn was playing as well, > (Bobby can play!!). > > Boneswest did our 40 minute set on Sat. at the NAMM show. George Roberts > played "Embraceble You" and Lloyd Ullyate played "Watch what Happens". Both > were Harry Betts arrngmnts. and Harry was there as well!! Both George and > Lloyd sounded masterfully!! > > When I got to the show, I saw the Boneswest/R. Bigelows set list, in the > second number he had me listed to solo on Miles Davis's "All Blues". I was > kind of nervous at first, However I have been listening to Kind of Blue for > about 3 months now, (it's my post Birth of the Cool period!!) It's like I > can sing/know Trane's, Miles and Cannonball's melodies by heart!. Those guys > play soooooo melodic!! Music !! Music!!. > > The 32 bars came and went so fast I don't even know what I played, I > remember closing my eyes, by the time I reached the second 16, the fear was > gone, I glanced at the crowd, I remember seeing George, Lloyd and Harry and > thinking this is fucking great!! > > WRW asked If I had spoken with you, I said not in a while, he told me he was > gonna e-mail you. I told him you were laying low on the OTJ and on the > puter. I told him you were practicing!! I memeber you once told me, "get > your head out of the page", those words are so true, If we spent our spare > time practicing...you know!!! > > later for now!! > > rg > rog@rkmlaw.com > boneswest.org > > p.s. How is Miles Anderson's old Bach 16?? > p.s.s. How is my Conn 110H doing???????? > p.s.s.s. I think that S. Hampton and WRW recording is on eBay right now!!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "D.J. Kennedy" > To: "cbdabutcher Butcher" ; "livett Livett" > ; ; "2bkroy BARNES" > ; "Luis Flores" ; "urbie > Garcia" ; "eeearly Anderson" ; > "nedholter bennett" ; ; "dgdgdgdg > Gibson" ; "noodle doodle Barlow" ; > "kelkelkel" ; "kelly Kelley" ; > "joejackson Jackson" ; ; > "Miles Anderson" > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 9:45 PM > Subject: /wrw news > > > latest news from bill > > > > WRWatrous@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Yo , D.J. I have been out of town a whole lot , and sort of out > of > > > touch... I played in Cleveland with Slide Hampton and the world of > trombones > > > , and again in Toronto at the I.A.J.E . The live album with the same > > > group is about to have a release on the Manchester Craftsmen,s Guild > label > > > ...it`s pretty nice !!!Slide Hampton is amazing . always !!! I hope all > is > > > well with you , old buddy ....there`s rumors going around about you > doing a > > > whole lot of practicing these days !!! See ya !! Bill Watrous > > > > ------------------------------ End of TROMBONE-L Digest - 20 Jan 2003 to 21 Jan 2003 (#2003-21) ****************************************************************