Subject: TROMBONE-L Digest - 18 Jan 2003 to 19 Jan 2003 (#2003-19) Date: Monday, January 20, 2003 12:00 AM From: Automatic digest processor Reply-To: "Trombones and related issues forum." To: Recipients of TROMBONE-L digests There are 13 messages totalling 399 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Want to buy a bass trombone 2. Blind Student 3. nearly blind student (2) 4. bassbone_mike, how are you (2) 5. mixing Shires and Edwards parts (4) 6. Vision Imparred Students 7. Jim Pugh at NY POPS 8. bassbone_mike, how are you? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 00:35:29 -0700 From: Douglas Baughman Subject: Want to buy a bass trombone Hi, IÕm in the market for a bass trombone. The brand does not matter but I do have some specs IÕd like to adhere to: 9 1Ú2 inch bell, preferably open wrap, but closed wrap is acceptable also, 2 dependent rotors, Key of Bb/F/Gb. Any further communication should be directed to basshorn1@yahoo.com. Please do not respond to this messasge. Thanks Doug ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 10:37:17 -0700 From: Richard Parmer Subject: Re: Blind Student I have a blind student, a high school freshman. Taught him since sixth grade. I have used a number of techniques with him. Playing with you will help, but that will only happen during a lesson. Tape his lesson assignments for him. He will be able to hear the lesson, play it back, and play along to match pitch with the tape. Contact the public schools for resources for the visually impaired, and addresses for materials. There is a wealth of material available for the visually impaired music student. Not reading braille yet will not be a problem, and may be a benefit. Braille uses only six dots in each cell, so each symbol must do duty for more than one application. My student had trouble remembering that he was reading music, not text, math, or science symbols. In your case, your student would know that it is music up front. If you need more resources, contact me off list and I will run down what I can. Parmer ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:33:28 -0500 From: Dennis Kitchen Subject: Re: nearly blind student This guy probably won't ever do much reading, so play by ear and teach = by rote. Tape his Rubank lesson and trombone parts to marchs (or what = ever) he can play along with. Teach him a couple scale paterns/licks and = use an Abersold CD. Sounds like fun.=20 I tried, once, to teach a nearly blind kid in a public school band = situation. It didn't work very well, but we had fun trying. Bless you = for making the effort. Dennis Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:11:43 -0700 From: Tom Ervin Subject: vision-impaired student Blind student? Almost blind, anyway. I'm a "seasoned" trombone teacher, but am faced with a new challenge, and bet I can get good help from this list. The challenge is a new student (non-university, an older man of 80-something) who can barely see to drive, let alone read music. Does NOT yet read any Braille. Glasses are very little help, and his vision is not going to improve. Surprisingly I have not had this challenge before. This fellow is at about the stage of halfway through Rubank elementary, but once upon a time was a fairly competent high school trumpeter, he says. Certainly he does not aspire to professional work, but I'd like to help him succeed and progress as much as possible. I do not yet know how much time and effort he will be giving in practice. All contributions are welcome, on or off the list. What materials to use? What exercises? What worked for you (or your student)? What did not work? Puffing up the music with oversize photocopies is of some help naturally. But what else? Input from the teachers or players of other instruments is also very welcome of course. And are there other lists I might explore, or other sources? -- -------------------- Tom Ervin, Professor of Music, University of Arizona, PO Box 210004 Tucson AZ 85721-0004 Office 520/621-7021, Fax 520/621-8118 ervint@u.arizona.edu http://tom-ervin.com ----------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 12:35:18 -0600 From: "Michael B. McCreless" Subject: bassbone_mike, how are you Hello, I only got the subject line but no text. Who are you jdyer33? I am doing fine. Michael Mccreless ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:42:01 -0600 From: "D.J. Kennedy" Subject: Re: nearly blind student turn of the lights dancing in the dark teach a dog to howl duets with eyes closed harmony and discord hi lo ---tongue ---- long short ---- inner music --------- turn on radio hit this note ---- piano part listening -silence moonlight felt no seen --- prayers for guidance givers of music open up a stream of a place that brings peace all beginners in thebeginning and at the end silence in the sun all find light and rejoice blind to what ?????? a gift use it --- to inspire --- listen to an old voice a timeless voice ------------------------------------------ Dennis Kitchen wrote: > This guy probably won't ever do much reading, so play by ear and teach by rote. Tape his Rubank lesson and trombone parts to marchs (or what ever) he can play along with. Teach him a couple scale paterns/licks and use an Abersold CD. Sounds like fun. > I tried, once, to teach a nearly blind kid in a public school band situation. It didn't work very well, but we had fun trying. Bless you for making the effort. > Dennis > > Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:11:43 -0700 > From: Tom Ervin > Subject: vision-impaired student > > Blind student? Almost blind, anyway. > > I'm a "seasoned" trombone teacher, but am faced with a new challenge, > and bet I can get good help from this list. The challenge is a new > student (non-university, an older man of 80-something) who can barely > see to drive, let alone read music. Does NOT yet read any Braille. > Glasses are very little help, and his vision is not going to improve. > > Surprisingly I have not had this challenge before. This fellow is at > about the stage of halfway through Rubank elementary, but once upon a > time was a fairly competent high school trumpeter, he says. Certainly > he does not aspire to professional work, but I'd like to help him > succeed and progress as much as possible. I do not yet know how much > time and effort he will be giving in practice. > > All contributions are welcome, on or off the list. What materials to > use? What exercises? What worked for you (or your student)? What did > not work? Puffing up the music with oversize photocopies is of some > help naturally. But what else? > > Input from the teachers or players of other instruments is also very > welcome of course. And are there other lists I might explore, or > other sources? > > -- > -------------------- > Tom Ervin, Professor of Music, University of Arizona, > PO Box 210004 > Tucson AZ 85721-0004 > Office 520/621-7021, Fax 520/621-8118 ervint@u.arizona.edu > http://tom-ervin.com > > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:10:53 -0500 From: Steve Carr Subject: mixing Shires and Edwards parts I recall people mentioning that the use other bells on Shires horns. I'm pretty sure I heard of Edwards and maybe Bach bells. Obviously the conections to the braces need to be changed. Does the tuning slide fit without adjustment? If not what has to be done to the bell. thanks Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:27:19 -0600 From: Bart Roberts Subject: Vision Imparred Students Hello All, The band program I teach in in Houston, Texas has three students with vision problems. One Alto Saxophone player is totally blind and reads all of his music through braile. He has to memorize it then he can play it. It's pretty incredible. I guess there is a program on the market that translates music into braile. Then we have 2 other students who are brothers that have serious glaucoma. They both use inlargement screens to learn music. One plays trumpet and guitar in our jazz band and is hopefully going to North Texas to major in Jazz in a year . If anyone wants to know more please feel free to email me back at broberts@kleinisd.net Bart Roberts Assistant Director of Bands Klein Forest High School Houston, Texas ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 16:00:34 -0500 From: Chicojbass@AOL.COM Subject: Re: mixing Shires and Edwards parts Steve, The tuning slide from a Edwards it is to big to fit a Shires Bass. Felix ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 12:22:06 -0800 From: Andrew Michael Subject: Re: mixing Shires and Edwards parts At 2:10 PM -0500 1/19/03, Steve Carr wrote: >I recall people mentioning that the use other bells on Shires horns. I'm >pretty sure I heard of Edwards and maybe Bach bells. Obviously the >conections to the braces need to be changed. Does the tuning slide fit >without adjustment? If not what has to be done to the bell. I have a Bach Bell that needed to have the throat of the tuning slide receiver ever-so-slightly widened to fit on my Shires tuning slide, but that was an odd case of things being at the opposite ends of their tolerances. Generally, it is just a case of putting on the right connections to the braces. The tuning slides, however, can't be traded back and forth because the width from tube to tube is different between Bach and Shires. I don't know about Edwards. Cheers, Andy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:17:40 -0800 From: Andrew Michael Subject: Re: mixing Shires and Edwards parts Note: this is about a Bach 42 bell on a Shires 0.547 tenor. At 2:10 PM -0500 1/19/03, Steve Carr wrote: >I recall people mentioning that the use other bells on Shires horns. I'm >pretty sure I heard of Edwards and maybe Bach bells. Obviously the >conections to the braces need to be changed. Does the tuning slide fit >without adjustment? If not what has to be done to the bell. I have a Bach Bell that needed to have the throat of the tuning slide receiver ever-so-slightly widened to fit on my Shires tuning slide, but that was an odd case of things being at the opposite ends of their tolerances. Generally, it is just a case of putting on the right connections to the braces. The tuning slides, however, can't be traded back and forth because the width from tube to tube is different between Bach and Shires. I don't know about Edwards. Cheers, Andy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:01:43 +0900 From: Joseph Green Subject: Re: Jim Pugh at NY POPS Does anyone know if this concert will be broadcast (not live, of course) and if there are plans to release a recording of the Shilkret Concerto? JG +++++++++++++ Kavett@AOL.COM wrote: > > > Jimmy Pugh performed the SHILKRET Trombone Concerto, the Dorsey piece, > tonight at Carnegie Hall. He was terrific with this difficult piece. > Listening to it after reading the ITA Journal article a few months back and > the reason its "disappearance" for a generation becomes clear--it was so far > ahead of its time...ahead of so much of the trombone literature of even our > era. This evening, with the 85-year old Skitch Henderson at the podium, was > a glimpse back and I had a "back to the future" kind of feeling. It is hard > to believe Skitch is still operating with the energy level he does and with > such a connection with the audience. > ............... +++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 18:22:27 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess Subject: Re: bassbone_mike, how are you >Hello, I only got the subject line but no text. Who are you jdyer33? I am >doing fine. >Michael Mccreless ===================== Ain't me. I'm j(w) dyess... (ha) And what school are YOU from, JSU alum????? :-) Wayne Dyess -- ========================= Dr. J. Wayne Dyess, Professor of Music Lamar University Music Department P. O. Box 10044 Beaumont, Texas 77710 409-880-8146 FAX: 409-880-8143 dyessjw@hal.lamar.edu http://www.lamar.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 21:05:51 -0600 From: "Michael B. McCreless" Subject: bassbone_mike, how are you? Wayne, that would be Jacksonville State University, Alabama same alma mater as Scott Moore. Michael ------------------------------ End of TROMBONE-L Digest - 18 Jan 2003 to 19 Jan 2003 (#2003-19) ****************************************************************