Subject: TROMBONE-L Digest - 17 Jan 2003 to 18 Jan 2003 (#2003-18) Date: Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:00 AM From: Automatic digest processor Reply-To: "Trombones and related issues forum." To: Recipients of TROMBONE-L digests There are 17 messages totalling 620 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Jim Pugh at NY POPS 2. Jolly Ball (2) 3. Linus & Lucy (2) 4. vision-impaired student (6) 5. Preparing for Auditions Part 2 6. Preparing for auditions 7. Advice on replacing a stolen trombone 8. need a valve (2) 9. LATEX TRBN QT. SHORT CONCERT TOUR OK/KS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 01:35:52 EST From: Kavett@AOL.COM Subject: Jim Pugh at NY POPS Jimmy Pugh performed the SHILKRET Trombone Concerto, the Dorsey piece, tonight at Carnegie Hall. He was terrific with this difficult piece. Listening to it after reading the ITA Journal article a few months back and the reason its "disappearance" for a generation becomes clear--it was so far ahead of its time...ahead of so much of the trombone literature of even our era. This evening, with the 85-year old Skitch Henderson at the podium, was a glimpse back and I had a "back to the future" kind of feeling. It is hard to believe Skitch is still operating with the energy level he does and with such a connection with the audience. The program concluded with Pugh on stage for a brief encore---an abridged version of "Sentimental" in the Dorsey style and as velvety, smooth and juicy as one could want. Clearly, a wise move to leave the audience yearning for more. The only negative I could point to was Pugh's small horn, unmiked, fighting a bit to cut through and above the 70-piece ensemble at times. OK, OK...it was the NY POPS...and no Beethoven was in earshot...but it was enjoyable...the playing of the highest order...and the house was FULL...even up to the last seat in the nose bleed section where I was... Henry Kavett New Providence, NJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 10:30:33 -0000 From: Adrian Drover Subject: Re: Jolly Ball From: "Keith Marr" > A while ago somebody on the list showed us how to make a plunger mute for > bass trombone from a Jolly Ball. They had a website illustrating this. I > wonder if the site is still online and, if so, what's the URL? I want to know how to make a jolly ball from my plunger mute. ..........Pogo stick from my 'bone? A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:43:43 -0000 From: Keith Marr Subject: Re: Jolly Ball Pogo stick from a bone? Well it would be a good start if you've got a trombone with springs on the slide buffers . . . ------------------------ Keith in Bb/F/D www.allthingsmusic.co.uk/entertainers/keith.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Drover" To: Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [TBN-L] Jolly Ball > From: "Keith Marr" > > > > A while ago somebody on the list showed us how to make a plunger mute for > > bass trombone from a Jolly Ball. They had a website illustrating this. I > > wonder if the site is still online and, if so, what's the URL? > > > I want to know how to make a jolly ball from my plunger mute. > ..........Pogo stick from my 'bone? > > A ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 10:09:09 -0600 From: Pat & Jo McFarland Subject: Linus & Lucy Dear List, I've been looking high and low for Stephen Bulla's arrangement for 10 = trombones of "Linus & Lucy." It was recorded by Spiritual To The Bone = on their Christmas CD. Does anybody know where I can purchase the = arrangement? Thanks. Pat ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:11:43 -0700 From: Tom Ervin Subject: vision-impaired student Blind student? Almost blind, anyway. I'm a "seasoned" trombone teacher, but am faced with a new challenge, and bet I can get good help from this list. The challenge is a new student (non-university, an older man of 80-something) who can barely see to drive, let alone read music. Does NOT yet read any Braille. Glasses are very little help, and his vision is not going to improve. Surprisingly I have not had this challenge before. This fellow is at about the stage of halfway through Rubank elementary, but once upon a time was a fairly competent high school trumpeter, he says. Certainly he does not aspire to professional work, but I'd like to help him succeed and progress as much as possible. I do not yet know how much time and effort he will be giving in practice. All contributions are welcome, on or off the list. What materials to use? What exercises? What worked for you (or your student)? What did not work? Puffing up the music with oversize photocopies is of some help naturally. But what else? Input from the teachers or players of other instruments is also very welcome of course. And are there other lists I might explore, or other sources? -- -------------------- Tom Ervin, Professor of Music, University of Arizona, PO Box 210004 Tucson AZ 85721-0004 Office 520/621-7021, Fax 520/621-8118 ervint@u.arizona.edu http://tom-ervin.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 13:39:54 -0500 From: Alan Partis Subject: Re: vision-impaired student At 01:11 PM 01/18/03, Tom Ervin wrote: >Input from the teachers or players of other instruments is also very >welcome of course. And are there other lists I might explore, or >other sources? I'm not a teacher so I can't necessarily add anything from that perspective, but I am/have been a student over the years. I don't know what your student's objectives are, but two thoughts come immediately to my mind: the Suzuki violin method and jazz improv. I started out at age 4 in a Suzuki violin program where we learned everything by rote/ear, I'm sure there's some ideas in that world that can be applied here. I also had a blind piano and organ teacher for a few of years in junior high school who was very good with teaching me chords and music structure. Just a couple thoughts, but maybe that's where you can lead your student to find enjoyment with his instrument. __________________________________________________ alan partis, amateur bonehead louisville, ky ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:00:46 -0800 From: Joshua Brown Subject: Re: Linus & Lucy Hi Pat, Try contacting Stephen at STTBonTour@aol.com Josh --- Pat & Jo McFarland wrote: > Dear List, > > I've been looking high and low for Stephen Bulla's > arrangement for 10 trombones of "Linus & Lucy." It > was recorded by Spiritual To The Bone on their > Christmas CD. Does anybody know where I can > purchase the arrangement? > > Thanks. > > Pat __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 12:20:42 -0800 From: Galen McQuarrie Subject: Re: vision-impaired student I read this recently in the Forum of the OTJ. Early Anderson was describing his "practice routine" which he did on a daily basis, playing for several hours without reference to any written notation. These were easy patterns that could be modified by giving rules that are progressive in nature that cover most of the aspects of trombone technique. Additionally, I will often augment my practice by playing melodies, and "licks" by ear, sometimes taken from a CD that I have listened to. I can do this for a half hour to an hour or so, refining what I practice. Another thing you can do, is do as my trombone instructor, Dave Glenn does, and that is play an example and then have me play along as well. I'm sure as a seasoned educator, you already are aware of much of this, but I would like to give testimony to the fact that this is effective. Finally, I have to say, I deeply admire someone of eighty plus years who will venture into an experience such as this. I began playing the trombone one year ago after a long hiatus when I was 62. I felt pretty long in the tooth then, but I am a comparative youngster to this admirable man. It is very important not to give up on life's experiences after you get older. Bless you Tom for taking an interest in him. Galen McQuarrie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ervin" To: Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:11 AM Subject: [TBN-L] vision-impaired student | Blind student? Almost blind, anyway. | | I'm a "seasoned" trombone teacher, but am faced with a new challenge, | and bet I can get good help from this list. The challenge is a new | student (non-university, an older man of 80-something) who can barely | see to drive, let alone read music. Does NOT yet read any Braille. | Glasses are very little help, and his vision is not going to improve. | | Surprisingly I have not had this challenge before. This fellow is at | about the stage of halfway through Rubank elementary, but once upon a | time was a fairly competent high school trumpeter, he says. Certainly | he does not aspire to professional work, but I'd like to help him | succeed and progress as much as possible. I do not yet know how much | time and effort he will be giving in practice. | | All contributions are welcome, on or off the list. What materials to | use? What exercises? What worked for you (or your student)? What did | not work? Puffing up the music with oversize photocopies is of some | help naturally. But what else? | | Input from the teachers or players of other instruments is also very | welcome of course. And are there other lists I might explore, or | other sources? | | -- | -------------------- | Tom Ervin, Professor of Music, University of Arizona, | PO Box 210004 | Tucson AZ 85721-0004 | Office 520/621-7021, Fax 520/621-8118 ervint@u.arizona.edu | http://tom-ervin.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 13:50:36 -0700 From: Steve Gamble Subject: Preparing for Auditions Part 2 Hello again, Thanks for all the responses to my previous post. I think it would be great if everyone who was willing would send me your favorite audition anecdote, especially if it is from your personal experience. It doesn't matter if it has a happy ending or not, it just needs to have a "moral" to the story; you know, something we could learn from. Thank you so much. Steve Gamble, Librarian Tucson Symphony Orchestra 2175 N. 6th Ave. Tucson, AZ 85705 sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org 520-792-9155 x118 520-792-9314 fax 520-991-7056 cel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 15:07:35 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess Subject: Re: Preparing for auditions At 4:32 PM -0700 1/17/03, Steve Gamble wrote: >For a few years, I've been giving a little presentation to what is sort >of a music survival skills class at the U of A. Having been on both >sides of the screen many times and also run auditions for several years >as personnel manager here, the prof. thinks I have something important >to contribute. Anyway, I thought it might be interesting to share with >this class some wisdom from Trombone-L. Anybody who has some thoughts >on preparing for auditions, please feel free to send them to me. I'm >sure the students will appreciate it. Many thanks. ========= GREAT idea. We did this in an informal recital a few years ago with me and our concertmaster as demonstration bozo's. Worked quite well. I was just told to come onto stage for my audition and do everything wrong. I peeked around the screen and told the panel I thought the thing would hamper my sound... then peeked around a 2nd time to tell them I couldn't see them. Warmed up on stage... Started each excerpt before playing... missed a few things, backed up and played them again (still missing the high notes). Just had a ball. Good luck with your presentation. A little humor. That would be my recommendation. It never hurts. Wayne P.S. I was the perfect guy for this demonstration and didn't really have to try very hard. :-) -- ========================= Dr. J. Wayne Dyess, Professor of Music Lamar University Music Department P. O. Box 10044 Beaumont, Texas 77710 409-880-8146 FAX: 409-880-8143 dyessjw@hal.lamar.edu http://www.lamar.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 01:28:34 +0000 From: Daniel Pliskin Subject: Re: vision-impaired student Tom, >I'm a "seasoned" trombone teacher, but am faced with a new challenge, >and bet I can get good help from this list. The challenge is a new >student (non-university, an older man of 80-something) who can barely >see to drive, let alone read music. I mostly play by ear and enjoy it immensely. The question is does that guy have a music background in any other instrument, that is, does he understand the concept of practice. Does he understand that an exercise is usually just an organized set of things to practice. If so, that you should have no problem teaching him to play by ear. And if he wants to read, then I suppose you or he could make enlarged copies of material that he has in a workbook that he buys. That should not be a copyright violation. DanP _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 21:00:10 -0600 From: Pat & Jo McFarland Subject: Re: vision-impaired student Tom, An older trombonist friend of mine has vision problems. He uses a copy machine to enlarge his music as much as is practical. He says it helps him quite a bit. Just an idea. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ervin" To: Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 12:11 PM Subject: [TBN-L] vision-impaired student > Blind student? Almost blind, anyway. > > I'm a "seasoned" trombone teacher, but am faced with a new challenge, > and bet I can get good help from this list. The challenge is a new > student (non-university, an older man of 80-something) who can barely > see to drive, let alone read music. Does NOT yet read any Braille. > Glasses are very little help, and his vision is not going to improve. > > Surprisingly I have not had this challenge before. This fellow is at > about the stage of halfway through Rubank elementary, but once upon a > time was a fairly competent high school trumpeter, he says. Certainly > he does not aspire to professional work, but I'd like to help him > succeed and progress as much as possible. I do not yet know how much > time and effort he will be giving in practice. > > All contributions are welcome, on or off the list. What materials to > use? What exercises? What worked for you (or your student)? What did > not work? Puffing up the music with oversize photocopies is of some > help naturally. But what else? > > Input from the teachers or players of other instruments is also very > welcome of course. And are there other lists I might explore, or > other sources? > > -- > -------------------- > Tom Ervin, Professor of Music, University of Arizona, > PO Box 210004 > Tucson AZ 85721-0004 > Office 520/621-7021, Fax 520/621-8118 ervint@u.arizona.edu > http://tom-ervin.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 19:35:30 -0800 From: Robert Slaven Subject: Re: Advice on replacing a stolen trombone From: "Paul D. Kemp Jr." > YES!!! > Depending on the size of the orchestra, and also the literature being > performed, I have felt for years that the Bach 36 is still a very good > principal trombone. It's not better than a 42 or a Conn 88H, it is > DIFFERENT. I have used it on Mussorgsky's Night on Bald Mountain before, and > what I found was that I didn't have to play as loudly to be heard. What an > interesting concept. More sound with less effort. BTW, it is also a very > good tenor trombone when you need to blend between an alto and a bass, too. > Much better than a 42. > However, in the smaller orchestras, with smaller string sections, I > think that is quite a questionable philosophy. Yes, it is about getting a > true characteristic trombone sound, but it is also about blend and balance > too. On many works, the idea of a .525, .547, and .562 would solve many > problems in terms of balance and blend. The .547 is capable of producing an > enormous amount of sound, and if you bring that concept over to the .525, it > will be unfavorable, to say the least. The .525 requires a slightly smaller > mouthpiece, but that's OK when you're playing principal. I haven't tried a > 5GS with a small shank on a .525, but that might work very well. The 6 1/2 > AL works great. Thanks for that advice, Paul. Any orchestral playing I do here would be with small orchestras (both the semi-pro PGSO and the couple of other amateur orchestras here are *not* full-tilt big-urban-centre orchestras), so there's probably not much 'need' for the full-bore .547 sound. Although I am checking with the local pros to see what they use. I think if I get only one horn, it might very well be a .525. If I get two, while I'd lean towards a .547 for the bigger horn, I'll still try out any .525's I can. Thanks again very much to everyone here who's offered such great advice. I owe you guys. Robert -- Robert & Linn-Marie Slaven www.robertslaven.ca ...with Stuart, Rebecca, Mariann, Kristina, Elizabeth, and Robin too 'There's a chap who thinks he's going to escape! There's a chap who says he won't be stream-lined! ... After him! Stop him!' - George Orwell, Coming Up for Air --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 2003/01/10 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 19:47:50 -0800 From: Larry White Subject: Re: vision-impaired student If the person is legally declared as vision-impaired, here in Canada, he would normally qualify for a 'reading enhancer'. I use that term, for I don't know what the true name of it is. What it does is enlarge the printing of whatever you are reading and I think it helps contrast the colours of the printing so that it appears to be a heavier type, giving a much better contrast as well. These are not big units as far as I know, and they certainly help someone who still has some vision to see enlarged figuration. If in Canada, a person would check with the CNIB, which stands for the Canadian National Institute for the Blind. Do you have an equivalent in the US? L White Daniel Pliskin wrote: > Tom, > > >I'm a "seasoned" trombone teacher, but am faced with a new challenge, > >and bet I can get good help from this list. The challenge is a new > >student (non-university, an older man of 80-something) who can barely > >see to drive, let alone read music. > > I mostly play by ear and enjoy it immensely. > > The question is does that guy have a music background in any other > instrument, that is, does he understand the concept of practice. Does he > understand that an exercise is usually just an organized set of things to > practice. > > If so, that you should have no problem teaching him to play by ear. > > And if he wants to read, then I suppose you or he could make enlarged copies > of material that he has in a workbook that he buys. That should not be a > copyright violation. > > DanP > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 22:33:03 -0600 From: "Michael B. McCreless" Subject: need a valve Hey guys I need an F rotor for my Benge 290. If you have one or have a complete set of valves and tubing section for a Benge email me. Michael McCreless bassbone_mike@alumni.jsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 23:35:11 -0500 From: ROSEBONE@AOL.COM Subject: Re: LATEX TRBN QT. SHORT CONCERT TOUR OK/KS Sorry for the changes - The concert in Alva, OK, is a 3 p.m. on Sunday afternoon; and the concert at OU in Norman, OK, is at 8 p.m.(rather than 7 p.m) Bill Rose McNeese State Lake Charles, LA rosebone@aol.com > Dear List members, > > Just wanted to let all the folks know about the short tour > we are doing w/ the LATEX quartet in OK and KS this week: > > Sunday, Jan. 19, 2003 > Northwestern Oklahoma State University, Alva, OK > Herod Hall, 8 p.m. > > Monday, Jan. 20, 2003 > Oklahoma University, Norman, OK > Catlett Music Center Recital Hall, 7 p.m. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 23:16:24 -0600 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Subject: Re: need a valve "Michael B. McCreless" wrote: > Hey guys I need an F rotor for my Benge 290. Mike, Your repair shop can probably still get one from UMI (or Conn-Selmer as it's known now) since it wasn't that long ago that they stopped making them. They probably still have the parts. Retail price is between $350 and $400 for one complete rotor assembly, unfortunately. Eric Swanson ------------------------------ End of TROMBONE-L Digest - 17 Jan 2003 to 18 Jan 2003 (#2003-18) ****************************************************************