Subject: TROMBONE-L Digest - 13 Jan 2003 to 14 Jan 2003 (#2003-14) Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:00 AM From: Automatic digest processor Reply-To: "Trombones and related issues forum." To: Recipients of TROMBONE-L digests There are 13 messages totalling 454 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Bankelsangerlieder? 2. Calvert (2) 3. Mouth Cavity Size 4. Extra Bach 50 Bell? 5. What size screw for Getzen 1062 6. Trombone Trios (2) 7. cannot seem to post to trombone list 8. Hal Crook Recordings? (2) 9. 'Pirates of Penzance' Broadway version 10. Pirates ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:29:23 -0500 From: David Buckley Subject: Re: Bankelsangerlieder? Morley Calvert was a grad of McGill University in Montreal who grew up in the Salvation Army and was at one time bandmaster of the SA Montreal Citadel Band. He was music director for many years at the Barrie, Ont, Collegiate whose band won numerous contests. Around the early or mid 70's he moved to Hamilton, Ont where he passed away in , I think, 1981. The Monteregian Hills are located near Montreal. I believe Morley wrote this while he was at McGill. Two movements were rescored for brass band in 1967 as part of The Canadian Folk Song Suite and a third, Il est Ne, was also rescored for brass band. Morley has a number of works published by the Salvation Army for brass band as well as other works for brass and concert band. He was not a prolific composer but all his works are interesting and creative. Hope that helps Tom. Dave Buckley. Tom Ervin wrote: > ?Anybody got reasonably accurate "program note" info on that brass > quintet chestnut, "Sonata from Die Bankelsangerlieder?" (and all > the a's in that German noun have umlauts). (Anon./Robert King publ > 1958) > > While we're at it, I/we could use more info on > the Scheidt/DeJong "Canzona Bergamasca," > the Morley Calvert "Monteregian Hills," > the Collier Jones "Four Movements", and > the John Cheetham "Scherzo." > > Info on the composers, works, history, whatever. > > In this case I could use it in a hurry, so perhaps write to me > directly (or on the list, but direct will help) at: > > ervint@u.arizona.edu > > Grateful as always > > -- > -------------------- > Tom Ervin, Professor of Music, University of Arizona, > PO Box 210004 > Tucson AZ 85721-0004 > Office 520/621-7021, Fax 520/621-8118 ervint@u.arizona.edu > http://tom-ervin.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:38:22 -0500 From: "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" Subject: Re: Calvert On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, David Buckley wrote: > The Monteregian Hills are located near Montreal. I believe Morley wrote > this while he was at McGill. Two movements were rescored for brass band Well, yes, that was one of the pieces commisssioned by Robert Ryker for the Montreal brass quintet... They're responsible for more than a few pieces of original quintet music. Heard the Calvert done on New Year's Eve and it's held up well through the years. The audience, (at a First Night celebration) had listened to goodness-knows-what before and those who stayed heard an acid rock band as the next group. Unfortuntely--boxes of archival documents relating to the Montreal quintet and their commissions were given to the Ball State Univ. library by J. Lesley Varner when he left BSU (they have the tuba resource library) and they've since disappeared. I've contacted the library, archives, etc. I suspect they were "put in a closet" and someone did some house cleaning. A very important collection relating to the development of brass quintet literature lost. Librarians don't necessarily know how to handle archival records and vice versa (I go either way). Another batch of orignal quintet music was commissioned by the Modern Brass Ensemble which was sponsored by and performed live every two weeks on WBAI in New York. They commissioned 63 pieces in 4 years (Henry Brand and Barney Childs the only names I have of the composers). I was told most of the music was given to the Honolulu quintet. Carole E. Nowicke cnowicke@indiana.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 07:46:00 -0800 From: David Leep Subject: Re: Mouth Cavity Size ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [TBN-L] Mouth Cavity Size > I have very mixed feelings about this thread. > > I do believe that your mouth cavity, throat, etc are going to have an effect > on the sound. It would be that way for any other acoustic system. But like > other acoustic systems, it's very easy to say qualitative things about it > and very hard to predict quantitative effects..... ------- Yes. Not having anything quantitative to say on the original issue, I stayed out of it at first. Then someone appeared to suggest that the player's windway acoustics couldn't be relevant to ordinary trombone tone production (multiphonics etc. aside) because this windway is (1) upstream from where the buzz is generated, or (2) nonresonant. That pushed me to try to point out that neither of these grounds is sufficient to rule out a possible effect. How large the effect may be (or how useful for players to consider such matters), I don't claim to know. [Also, friends, I did not mean to "confirm" point (2) above, I only tried to say that (2), even if true, would not rule out the possibility of an interesting effect.] Dan, I agree with your intuitive statement above. It's that way in the textbooks too (e.g. Neville H. Fletcher and Thomas D. Rossing: The Physics of Musical Instruments): the equations dealing with the harmonic content of the tone involve the acoustic properties of the player's windway as well as the instrument. Again, I don't know how large the relative contributions are. If anyone is interested, there is an on-line archive of papers by Arthur Benade. Some of these have a bearing on the present point. http://www-ccrma.stanford.edu/marl/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:40:04 -0500 From: David Buckley Subject: Re: Calvert "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" wrote: > On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, David Buckley wrote: > > > The Monteregian Hills are located near Montreal. I believe Morley wrote > > this while he was at McGill. Two movements were rescored for brass band > > Well, yes, that was one of the pieces commisssioned by Robert Ryker for > the Montreal brass quintet... They're responsible for more than a few > pieces of original quintet music. > > Heard the Calvert done on New Year's Eve and it's held up well through the > years. It really is good fun isn't it and the slow movement is absolutely gorgeous. Dave. > The audience, (at a First Night celebration) had listened to > goodness-knows-what before and those who stayed heard an acid rock band as > the next group. > > Unfortuntely--boxes of archival documents relating to the Montreal quintet > and their commissions were given to the Ball State Univ. library by J. > Lesley Varner when he left BSU (they have the tuba resource library) and > they've since disappeared. I've contacted the library, archives, etc. I > suspect they were "put in a closet" and someone did some house cleaning. A > very important collection relating to the development of brass quintet > literature lost. Librarians don't necessarily know how to handle archival > records and vice versa (I go either way). > > Another batch of orignal quintet music was commissioned by the Modern > Brass Ensemble which was sponsored by and performed live every two weeks > on WBAI in New York. They commissioned 63 pieces in 4 years (Henry Brand > and Barney Childs the only names I have of the composers). I was told most > of the music was given to the Honolulu quintet. > > Carole E. Nowicke > cnowicke@indiana.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 17:33:20 -0500 From: Jim Battell Subject: Re: Extra Bach 50 Bell? As it turns out , we ordered a brand new Bach 50B bell for a customer who later changed his mind. So, if you would like, it is immediately available for $865.00, the mfg suggested list is $967.75, and usually takes months to get delivery. It is the standard 9 1/2" Yellow brass, regular weight. We also have two used 10 1/2" Bach Bass bells. one in yellow, and one in goldbrass, we are asking $450.00 each. Also, we have a very rare MT. Vernon, NY Bach 50B buffed out thin, and silverplated for $300.00. And two new Osmun one piece Bass bells, one at 9 1/4" yellow brass, and one at 9" gold brass for $375.00 each. This should give you a good number to choose from. I would like to mention that we will no longer special order Bach bells in the future without a non-refundable deposit. They are simply too costly to have on hand at these prices. Let me know if you are interested in any one or more of these bells, as they are immediately available. Jim Becker, Senior Technician Osmun Music, Inc. jbecker@osmun.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnson, Scott (TBS)" To: Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 4:09 PM Subject: [TBN-L] Extra Bach 50 Bell? > Hi all! > > A friend of mine has a Bach 50BO3 that needs another bell flare. He would prefer a Bach bell, but if you have something else comparable, that may be OK. If you have a bass bell available, please send me a note off list. > > Thanks! > > Scott Johnson > Conyers, GA USA > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 18:07:27 -0500 From: JB Subject: What size screw for Getzen 1062 I lost the screw connecting the second valve linkage to the valve on my Getzen 1062 today. I was wondering if any of you could tell me the size of the screw, what threads, etc, and where I might find one. Thank you very much, -- John B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 19:58:24 -0400 From: Scott Robinson Subject: Trombone Trios Greetings, My trombone quartet at school (due to circumstance) has now unexpectedly turned into a trio. Unhappily for me, I don't know of many, or any trios that would be suitable for a decent undergraduate trombone trio (Except the William Schmidt Partita on Hammering). My questions is: Do you? (know of some good trios, that is) I need to order some as soon as I can so we've got something to play for the semester. So I'll provide the thanks up front (thanks) and eagerly await any response. -Scott _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 17:25:12 -0700 From: "Holst, Bill" Subject: cannot seem to post to trombone list Eric, Not sure what is going on. I send email to mailto:trombonel@lists.missouri.edu It gets bounced with an error: Your message is being returned to you unprocessed because it looks like a LISTSERV command, rather than material intended for distribution to the members of the TROMBONE-L list. Please note that LISTSERV commands must ALWAYS be sent to the LISTSERV address; if it was indeed a command you were attempting to issue, please send it again to LISTSERV@PO.MISSOURI.EDU for execution. Otherwise, please accept our apologies and try to rewrite the message with a slightly different wording - for instance, change the first word of the message, enclose it in quotation marks, insert a line of dashes at the beginning of your message, etc. I am NOT sending it to LISTSERV@PO.MISSOURI.EDU Please help me out here. Something has changed. Thanks, Bill Holst ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 16:49:37 -0800 From: John & Mary Subject: Hal Crook Recordings? Who can recommend some Hal Crook recordings? Thanksalot. jb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 20:51:49 -0500 From: Chris Dearth Subject: Re: Trombone Trios Try either, "Bachy Things" or "Steak and Kidney Supper" by Michael Lynn, both available from Hickey's. "Bachy Things" is obviously a take off on the music of Bach. "Steak and Kidney Supper" I first heard back at Oberlin many moons ago (Gabe Langfur's quartet had temporarily down-sized to a trio and I remember them doing it). It's a very unique, cool work. Hopefully Gabe will post some suggestions since he's done more trio playing than myself. :-) Chris Dearth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Robinson" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:58 PM Subject: [TBN-L] Trombone Trios > Greetings, > > My trombone quartet at school (due to circumstance) has now unexpectedly > turned into a trio. Unhappily for me, I don't know of many, or any trios > that would be suitable for a decent undergraduate trombone trio (Except the > William Schmidt Partita on Hammering). > > My questions is: Do you? (know of some good trios, that is) I need to order > some as soon as I can so we've got something to play for the semester. > > So I'll provide the thanks up front (thanks) and eagerly await any response. > > > -Scott > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 21:26:09 -0500 From: Dave Burch Subject: 'Pirates of Penzance' Broadway version Has anyone played the Broadway version of 'Pirates', as opposed to the original scoring by Sullivan? I am being asked to play the single trombone part, and I'd like to learn something about it. Thanks, Dave Burch Hamilton-Fairfield Symphony Orchestra and Chorale (Ohio) Mt. Auburn Brass Fellowship After Hours Big Band ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 22:08:06 -0500 From: Charles Perron Subject: Re: Hal Crook Recordings? Only Human - RAM Records RMCD4531- This may not be for everyone, but track 3 gets to me: Brazil Hal Crook is so FREE and fluid on this tune that I can listen to it over and over. Hero Worship - RAM Records RMCD4506 - A significant portion of this album features Hal playing trombone augmented by 5 voice digital harmonizer. Again, not for everyone, but his take on Night and Day is a CLASSIC. I laugh every time I hear it. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Trombones and related issues forum. [mailto:TROMBONE- >> L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU] On Behalf Of John & Mary >> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:50 PM >> To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU >> Subject: [TBN-L] Hal Crook Recordings? >> >> Who can recommend some Hal Crook recordings? >> Thanksalot. jb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 22:13:56 -0600 From: Bill Dinwiddie Subject: Pirates Dave Burch, If you want to contact me off-list I can tell you about my experiences playing the Pirates. Bill Dinwiddie bill752d@attbi.com ------------------------------ End of TROMBONE-L Digest - 13 Jan 2003 to 14 Jan 2003 (#2003-14) ****************************************************************