TROMBONE-L Digest 2316 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Aphorisms by Gabriel Langfur 2) Re: Aphorisms by Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur 3) RE: Aphorisms by "Gary Maxwell" 4) Aphorisms by Dave Tall 5) Aphorisms by Joestanko@aol.com 6) Re: Aphorisms by "Elizabeth Lewis" 7) more aphorisms by Bruce Faske 8) Re: more aphorisms by Jimkinkella1@aol.com 9) Re: Aphorisms by 10) Re: On the decline in popularity of the 88H by Gary Sloane 11) Wycliffe Gordon performance by "Dale J. Cruse" 12) Fw: NYC "Chorus Line" Trombonists by "Roger Carmichael" 13) RE: Aphorisms by "Ian McKenzie (HOME)" 14) Ebay oddities by "Jon Moeller" 15) Re: Mpcs for sale by "Rod Ellard" 16) Re: Mpcs for sale by "Rod Ellard" 17) RE: Ebay oddities by "Tom Izzo" 18) aphorisim by "Charles Levine" 19) Re: Ebay oddities by "Fred Hudson" 20) Re: alto horn mouthpiece by Larry White 21) Re: Ebay oddities by "Daniel Pliskin" 22) Re: alto horn mouthpiece by "Daniel Pliskin" 23) Re: On the decline in popularity of the 88H by Randy Campora 24) Choking problem. by Pat and Joe Chapman 25) Re: Ebay oddities by Howard Weiner 26) RE: Ebay oddities by "Jon Moeller" 27) Re: Ebay oddities by Craig Parmerlee 28) Re: Fw: NYC "Chorus Line" Trombonists by Gabriel Langfur 29) Conn 88H by "McFarland's" 30) part prices by "Edwards Eric, Leandra, Sara & Jared" 31) Re: Conn 88H by "Edwards Eric, Leandra, Sara & Jared" 32) Re: A rude awakening by "Chris McClure" 33) RE: Aphorisms by Earl Needham 34) RE: Ebay oddities by Earl Needham 35) peter ellefson by "posaune rex" 36) Re: Ebay oddities by Earl Needham 37) RE: Ebay oddities by "Jon Moeller" 38) Re: Aphorisms by mahler427@aol.com 39) Rude Awakening, College by "Elisabeth Frederick" 40) Re: NTC Band by Wayne Dyess ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:03:54 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Aphorisms Message-ID: <20020301200354.94658.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm interested in collecting aphorisms - brief (preferably one simple sentence), easy to remember, statements of wisdom regarding brass playing, or maybe music in general...I'm most interested in the ones we use to remond ourselves how we want to play, or that teachers use to help students play better. Here's what I've got so far: "Tongue and blow" - I've always heard this one attributed to John Coffey “Start with what you CAN do.” – Norman Bolter “Blow THROUGH the notes, not AT them.” – Joe Alessi (attributed to his father, Joe Alessi Sr.) "Hit it hard and wish it well". – Claude Gordon (I’ve also heard it attributed to Glen Dodson, but he probably got it from Gordon) “RELAX -- BREATHE -- SET – BLOW” – JP from OTJ Forum Please add your favorites! I've posted this to the OTJ Forum as well...I'll let you all know interesting ones that come up there... Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 15:15:44 -0500 From: Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur To: glangfur@yahoo.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Aphorisms Message-ID: <3C7FE170.95ACE894@sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gabe, Always remember: More air, less tongue. Peter Collins ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:23:45 -0800 From: "Gary Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Aphorisms Message-ID: <659829993461CA49942D1312DE3436918309E9@edcenmail1.bcsd.k12.ca.us> content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1C15E.FCB0AB4F" Remembering a Maynard F. concert, and wanting real power to come out of my group, I often use the term "Nail 'em to the wall!", or "Take aim and hurt me!" How about "Sit tall." -or- "You're slower than Grandma, and she's dead!" -or- from a former orchestra conductor, when "giving THE hand", "MENO, Meno, meno". So many aphorisms, so little cyber-space. (:>)) This should be a very interesting collection. I'm looking forward to this thread. Gary Maxwell Bass Trombone Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra ===================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Gabriel Langfur [mailto:glangfur@yahoo.com] Sent: Fri 3/1/2002 12:03 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Cc:ŹŹŹŹ Subject: Aphorisms I'm interested in collecting aphorisms - brief (preferably one simple sentence), easy to remember, statements of wisdom regarding brass playing, or maybe music in general...I'm most interested in the ones we use to remond ourselves how we want to play, or that teachers use to help students play better. Here's what I've got so far: "Tongue and blow" - I've always heard this one attributed to John Coffey ŅStart with what you CAN do.Ó Š Norman Bolter ŅBlow THROUGH the notes, not AT them.Ó Š Joe Alessi (attributed to his father, Joe Alessi Sr.) "Hit it hard and wish it well". Š Claude Gordon (IÕve also heard it attributed to Glen Dodson, but he probably got it from Gordon) ŅRELAX -- BREATHE -- SET Š BLOWÓ Š JP from OTJ Forum Please add your favorites! I've posted this to the OTJ Forum as well...I'll let you all know interesting ones that come up there... Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 13:32:49 -0700 From: Dave Tall To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Aphorisms Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20020301133249.014b97c8@mail.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Just say tA...little "t", big "A" Charlie Vernon to me, at least 3 million times Dave Tall Bass Trombonist New Mexico Symphony ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 16:05:43 EST From: Joestanko@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Aphorisms Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b9.1c78ca3a.29b14727_boundary" Don't confuse "music" with the "music business" - the two have very little in common. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 15:18:14 -0600 From: "Elizabeth Lewis" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." , glangfur@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Aphorisms Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Put your mind in the sound" Bill Adam "Scheisse here (points to head), Scheisse here (points to bell)" Michael Mulcahy "You have a tuba [or trombone] in the head, and a tuba in the hand; the tuba in your head is the one you concentrate on" Arnold Jacobs After writing these, I notice that they all say basically the same thing. Great minds think alike, I suppose... Beth On Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:03:54 Gabriel Langfur wrote: >I'm interested in collecting aphorisms - brief (preferably >one simple sentence), easy to remember, statements of >wisdom regarding brass playing, or maybe music in >general...I'm most interested in the ones we use to remond >ourselves how we want to play, or that teachers use to help >students play better. > >Here's what I've got so far: > >"Tongue and blow" - I've always heard this one attributed >to John Coffey > >“Start with what you CAN do.” – Norman Bolter > >“Blow THROUGH the notes, not AT them.” – Joe Alessi >(attributed to his father, Joe Alessi Sr.) > >"Hit it hard and wish it well". – Claude Gordon (I’ve also >heard it attributed to Glen Dodson, but he probably got it >from Gordon) > >“RELAX -- BREATHE -- SET – BLOW” – JP from OTJ Forum > >Please add your favorites! > >I've posted this to the OTJ Forum as well...I'll let you >all know interesting ones that come up there... > >Gabe > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! >http://greetings.yahoo.com > 2,000,000,000 Web Pages--you only need 1. Save time with My Lycos. http://my.lycos.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 15:59:03 -0600 From: Bruce Faske To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: more aphorisms Message-ID: <007401c1c16c$4d47bba0$2503fea9@Slaveone> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_B4Xn5smszOYK+tYkWpiCJg)" Here's a few I've heard....they apply to more that just brass instruments. "You don't have to practice every day: only the days that you eat." -Unknown author, Chinese origin "When you go to sleep at night, remember that somebody else is up practicing your part." Jeff Reynolds "When you breathe, take plenty of air. It's cheap: it don't cost nothing, so you can waste it." Arnold Jacobs (When asked about his accuracy of pitch) "You have to be able to taste the note...." Philip Farkas (not sure) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:28:11 EST From: Jimkinkella1@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: more aphorisms Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit here's a few choice favorites from Matty Shiner's trombone choir in Pittsburgh humorous, and, believe it or not, actually helpful at the time You're playing like you've got your mother's noodles in your mouth You're playing like you're at a wedding, everybodys' drunk Play this passage like a mouse walking across hot coals and my personal favorite.... You're playing like you've got rusty water in your head jim k ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:06:57 -0600 From: To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Aphorisms Message-ID: <003701c1c175$e4ca92a0$b8fbfea9@sonylaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Don't get old, you won't like it." - Arnold Jacobs ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:10:15 -0800 From: Gary Sloane To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: On the decline in popularity of the 88H Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Guys, If you've ever bought a custom tailored suit, or perhaps had shirts made to order, you know that the difference between made-to-order and off-the-rack is incredible...but I can't see any point in paying a premium for clothes that were custom tailored for somebody else. Some day, I want to have a horn custom made for *me*: for my chops, my requirements, my conception of what sounds good. Until then, I'm just wearing old corduroys. Hi Steve and list, I have to support you here, Steve. I have talked to several people who have tried _one_ Edwards instrument and deemed them unlikeable. WHAT?! There are just too many combinations to make such a gross generalization. I play an Edwards so I may be biased but I do choose my words carefully when I discuss Shires instruments. I have only tried a couple and I know they play well, I just haven't found the combination of variables that works to produce I sound that I want coming out of my bell...I can hardly wait until I do! :) Peter Collins Bass Trombone Hamilton Philharmonic Orchestra > I think the modular setups like Shires and Edwards are far too difficult to > evaluate by trying out one or two preassembled horns. But I constantly > hear "I tried an Edwards/Shires and it was wonderful/terrible/whatever." > > Steve Troy -- Gary Sloane sloane@batnet.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 18:28:51 -0500 From: "Dale J. Cruse" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Wycliffe Gordon performance Message-ID: <014e01c1c178$d8c0b9f0$70d92444@union1.nj.home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT For those in the New Jersey/New York area, trombonist Wycliffe Gordon's Quartet will be playing at Shanghai Jazz in Madison, NJ, March 29th and 30th. Shanghai Jazz is an interesting venue - very small and intimate with fantastic Oriental-style food. For more info, check out their site at: http://www.shanghaijazz.com. Hope to see you there! Dale J. Cruse dale@dalecruse.com www.dalecruse.com For effective visual communication ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:11:21 -0500 From: "Roger Carmichael" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Fw: NYC "Chorus Line" Trombonists Message-ID: <001501c1c187$2be72980$70ff5a41@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C1C15D.41983D20" With the recent postings on the demise of the 88H and the rise of custom-made trombones, I haveŹa bit of trivia for you. Does anybody remember anyone who did the Chorus Line gigs back in the early 80's? I recall the night I was there, the opening number featured a really loud and boisterous trombone. It couldn't have been a 88H. Maybe it was a 42B or possibly a bass bone. I don't recall if any performer names were ever published in the programs but my programŹbrouchure is long gone. Roger Carmichael ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 18:47:38 -0700 From: "Ian McKenzie (HOME)" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Aphorisms Message-ID: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Blow don't suck! - high school music teacher a third of a century ago. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 21:15:53 -0600 From: "Jon Moeller" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Ebay oddities Message-ID: <000001c1c198$8fd9f420$9401a8c0@Jon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1C166.453F8420" If any of you guys out there check eBay with any regularity (I do since IÕm a computer nerd) then you have probably seen some strange brand names or rare trombones, so I ask you all this:Ź Does anyone know if any of them are any good? Here is a little list IÕve compiled of some trombones (and brands) that I have never heard of (or just stuff I havenÕt seen before: Conn Trombone 14H Shooting Star http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1519107665 Parrot Trombone http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1518227652 BUESCHER * ARISTOCRAT * Trombone http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1518462105 Silver Plated King Trombone (Does anyone know if this is a 2b I can actually afford? =P ) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1517587919 Conn Silver Slide Trombone & Case http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1517666453 VINTAGE 20s FRENCH Couesnon Trombone http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1519810744 B Tenor Trombone Amati Kraslice http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1519302082 PAN-AMERICAN SILVER PLATED TROMBONE http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1519384199 Conn 100H http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1519422698 Parduba dual cup mÕpiece Ź§ this is weird, and at the same time interestingÉ I wonder if it works. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1518265206 1920Õs Marceau Trombone § this one looks interesting, I would like to see it in action. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1520637148 J.W. Pepper Trombone (I thought they sold sheet music!) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1520167316 4 rotor valve t-bone http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1520365872 a very odd beast, looks like an old predecessor to the bass trombone http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1519111356 ŅYorkÓ trombone http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1519736804 King 2b/tempo http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1519757947 Louis ArmstrongÕs personal trombone (im not sure whether to laugh, or to be impressed) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 19:17:05 -0800 From: "Rod Ellard" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Mpcs for sale Message-ID: <011101c1c198$c1549460$61cffea9@rodcomp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Large shank 6 1/2 A - Virtually new - $20 Schilke 59 - virtually new - $30 Add $4 for shipping. All funds USD Rod Ellard ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 19:18:55 -0800 From: "Rod Ellard" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Mpcs for sale Message-ID: <011901c1c199$0369d8b0$61cffea9@rodcomp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Correction > Large shank Bach 6 1/2 A - Virtually new - $20 > Schilke 59 - virtually new - $30 > > Add $4 for shipping. All funds USD > > Rod Ellard > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 22:23:41 -0600 From: "Tom Izzo" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Ebay oddities Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006A_01C1C16F.BDE86820" Parrot Trombone http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1518227652 South American Trb, not good reputation Parduba dual cup mÕpiece Ź§ this is weird, and at the same time interestingÉ I wonder if it works. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1518265206 That's the product of Dan Perrontoni a very odd beast, looks like an old predecessor to the bass trombone http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1519111356 Not really. That's a strap valve (pre rotor lever) Yes I think that is an old Bass Trb, not a predeccessor, just an older version. Amazing to see "open wrapping" too. Did you notice the description said "one" valve Bass Trombone, then proceeded to say the slides and valveS all work well? LOL Tom ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 23:12:21 -0600 From: "Charles Levine" To: "tlist" Subject: aphorisim Message-ID: <001601c1c1a8$d9b6b1e0$90b01ad1@D7493111> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C1C176.8A92E930" Big discount for first time trombonists! Segal ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 23:12:44 -0600 From: "Fred Hudson" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Ebay oddities Message-ID: <001001c1c1a8$e42ceae0$f285fea9@s0024172501> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C1C176.984BF120" Thae Amati Kraslice is made in Czechoslovakia or whatever they call it now. The company is still active. The Couesnon is an interesting story I've lost the link but you could look it up on google. At one time there were 11 manufacturing sites in France but it is now down to one - hand made fluegel horns. Still the fluegel horn of choice for jazz. I have the Marceau on my watch list but I don't know anything about it. Which brings me to the point of why I subscribed to this list. (This my first post). I recently succumbed to the temptations of ebay and bought a trombone made by D. Ansingh & Co. of Zwolle, Netherlands. I have not been able to find anything on it. It is not listed in Langwill's 1993 which I understand is the latest edition. The only thing I could find on the net about D. Ansingh is that they overhauled a cathedral organ somewhere in Holland in 1904. The article was in Dutch and I couldn't tell much more about it. The trombone has a very small bore and a 5" bell but it is definitely a B flat tenor. It plays very well with a 61/2 AL mpc. but has a poor mid range with 12C or a 7C. (More fodder for the discussions on mouthpieces?) I would appreciate any information anyone could offer on the provenance of this horn (The SN is 12). I can send pictures to individuals who request them, I understand such attachments are verbotten on this list. I will be out of pocket over the weekend but will respond to any of your responses on my return. By the way Jon I believe the silver plated King probably predates the 2B Liberty but it is an interesting piece. It looks like my first horn which was an "American Standard" made by White as an entry level instrument back in the good old days when kids were not being encouraged by "bandmasters" to start off with F attachments. Good Luck on your bidding Fred M. Hudson Retired Rocket Scientist Recycled Trombonist (And Loving It!) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Moeller To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 9:15 PM Subject: Ebay oddities If any of you guys out there check eBay with any regularity (I do since IÕm a computer nerd) then you have probably seen some strange brand names or rare trombones, so I ask you all this:Ź Does anyone know if any of them are any good? Here is a little list IÕve compiled of some trombones (and brands) that I have never heard of (or just stuff I havenÕt seen before: Conn Trombone 14H Shooting Star http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1519107665 Parrot Trombone http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1518227652 BUESCHER * ARISTOCRAT * Trombone http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1518462105 Silver Plated King Trombone (Does anyone know if this is a 2b I can actually afford? =P ) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1517587919 Conn Silver Slide Trombone & Case http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1517666453 VINTAGE 20s FRENCH Couesnon Trombone http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1519810744 B Tenor Trombone Amati Kraslice http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1519302082 PAN-AMERICAN SILVER PLATED TROMBONE http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1519384199 Conn 100H http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1519422698 Parduba dual cup mÕpiece Ź§ this is weird, and at the same time interestingÉ I wonder if it works. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1518265206 1920Õs Marceau Trombone § this one looks interesting, I would like to see it in action. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1520637148 J.W. Pepper Trombone (I thought they sold sheet music!) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1520167316 4 rotor valve t-bone http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1520365872 a very odd beast, looks like an old predecessor to the bass trombone http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1519111356 ŅYorkÓ trombone http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1519736804 King 2b/tempo http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1519757947 Louis ArmstrongÕs personal trombone (im not sure whether to laugh, or to be impressed) Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Shortcut to Amati Trombones.URL" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Shortcut to Amati Trombones.URL" Attachment converted: Administrator:Shortcut to Amati Trombones.URL (????/----) (00006014) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 21:19:36 -0800 From: Larry White To: jlr@sc.rr.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: alto horn mouthpiece Message-ID: <3C8060E8.6697416D@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Would you gentlemen be referring to an Eb Alto horn, which looks like a miniature euphonium? If that is what you are talking about then you are a long way off from the trombone class. In Canada and other parts of the banding world, if this is the instrument that you are talking about, and I am only assuming that you are when DanP stated, " I just bought an alto horn. It's very cute and it's my first experience with valves. ", it is called an Eb Tenor Horn. Now if I am way off base, just let me know, and I will go back to bed, and sleep again! L W . Jayson Rowe wrote: > I play Alto Horn as well, and I can say from experience, you won't get a > good "Alto Horn" sound with a shanked down Trombone mouthpiece. It > doesn't really bother me to switch around, since I play trumpet also, > but I would go in the 18.5 to 19 mm range... > Hope this helps. > Jayson Rowe > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu > [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of Daniel Pliskin > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 6:05 PM > To: Trombones and related issues forum. > Subject: alto horn mouthpiece > > I just bought an alto horn. It's very cute and it's my first experience > > with valves. > > There are evidently two different size shanks for alto horns and none of > > them is similar to any other instrument. Also, what is considered to be > a > large mouthpiece for an alto horn has a cup diameter of 19 mm. > > Now, I play a medium-bore tenor with a Bach 4 mouthpiece. What's the > chance > that I can compromise, somehow, and come up with a mouthpiece that I can > > play, while having a shank that will fit the alto horn? I'm willing to > buy > a trombone mouthpiece and change the shank, but is there an easier way > to go > about this? > > DanP > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 05:30:19 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Ebay oddities Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Jon, First, expect to pay bucks to repair any trombone you buy on ebay. I've gotten only a few trombones, out of a total of 20, that were playable, as is. Parrot Trombone Supposedly, these are marginally better than the rest of the Chinese trombones. Don't buy it. BUESCHER * ARISTOCRAT * Trombone I like these, if they're old enough. They came in two sizes, though. The 0.500" bore ones are very nice tame instruments. The 0.508" bore instruments are a bit heavy and amazingly loud. Unless you're after something specific, I wouldn't buy a trombone that doesn't screw together. They tend to be older and the older trombones are generally a bit meek sounding. DanP _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 05:39:05 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: alto horn mouthpiece Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Larry, Would you gentlemen be referring to an Eb Alto horn, which looks like a miniature euphonium? , it is called an Eb Tenor Horn. OK, hereās the story. Americans call it an alto horn. British and I guess Canadians call it a tenor horn. But Germans call baritone horns Tenorhorn (one word). Now thereās some question about whether tenor horns have larger bores than alto horns, but my tenor horn has a 0.455ä bore, which is the bore-size for an alto horn. When I was shopping for an alto horn, alto horns were selling for hundreds of dollars more than Eb tenor horns. As such, I bought an Eb tenor horn. Now that youāre thoroughly confused, good night and sleep well. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 01:10:05 -0500 From: Randy Campora To: sloane@batnet.com, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: On the decline in popularity of the 88H Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020302010333.0246e9c0@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed A tidbit for you Conn fans out there (I am not one of them, really--not a slam, just that I'm not in that camp when it comes to most orchestral stuff anyway): In November I heard a Mahler 6 rehearsal with Zubin Mehta leading the Vienna Philharmonic in the Musikvereinsaal in Vienna. The entire section was playing Conns. Ian on first with I think an 88H open wrap, the 2nd player was subbing (he is the 2nd trombonist in the LSO in London, Ian's old orchestra) playing an 88H, and Hans Strocker was on bass playing a prototype of the Conn dependent that has been in production now for a little while. And the VPO's regular 2nd trombonist, William McElheney, plays an 88H as well. So there you go. Conns in Vienna. Randy Campora Baltimore Symphony Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 23:42:51 -0800 From: Pat and Joe Chapman To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Choking problem. Message-ID: <3C80827B.6060207@pioneer.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A few months ago I was diagnosed with having a nearly paralyzed epiglottis. A friend of mine mentioned to me tonight that there might have been an article in the I.T.A. journal some time back about an epiglottis problem associated with trombone playing. Does anyone remember such an article? Thanks, Pat P.S. Sorry for the double posts, don't know why that happens. I talked to my server about it, but....... ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 13:38:31 +0100 From: Howard Weiner To: fmhudson@arkansas.net, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Ebay oddities Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020302132933.009eec30@mail.sampo.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 23:12 01.03.02 -0600, Fred Hudson wrote: I have the Marceau on my watch list but I don't know anything about it. Which brings me to the point of why I subscribed to this list. (This my first post). I recently succumbed to the temptations of ebay and bought a trombone made by D. Ansingh & Co. of Zwolle, Netherlands. I have not been able to find anything on it. It is not listed in Langwill's 1993 which I understand is the latest edition. The only thing I could find on the net about D. Ansingh is that they overhauled a cathedral organ somewhere in Holland in 1904. The article was in Dutch and I couldn't tell much more about it. Sometimes it pays not to update so quickly: I have the next to last edition of Langwill's and was able to find a bit of info on both of the above. "Marceau, Pierre & Cie.: Paris ... Marceau insts. were imported and distributed in U.S.A. by Sears Roebuck & Co." "Ansingh, D. & Co.: Zwolle. Founded 1875-1914." Not much, but it's a start... Howard -- Howard Weiner weiner@privat.toplink.de http://www.odilia.ch/howard-weiner If vegetarians eat only vegetables, what do humanitarians eat? ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 07:03:44 -0600 From: "Jon Moeller" To: "Trombone List" Subject: RE: Ebay oddities Message-ID: <000c01c1c1ea$af45cda0$9401a8c0@Jon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, I'm not planning on buying anything for awhile (at least until I get some cash, then I will probably get a 4B or something cause I need a new concert horn) Just curious as to what a lot of these were. -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of Daniel Pliskin Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 5:30 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Ebay oddities Jon, First, expect to pay bucks to repair any trombone you buy on ebay. I've gotten only a few trombones, out of a total of 20, that were playable, as is. >Parrot Trombone Supposedly, these are marginally better than the rest of the Chinese trombones. Don't buy it. >BUESCHER * ARISTOCRAT * Trombone I like these, if they're old enough. They came in two sizes, though. The 0.500" bore ones are very nice tame instruments. The 0.508" bore instruments are a bit heavy and amazingly loud. Unless you're after something specific, I wouldn't buy a trombone that doesn't screw together. They tend to be older and the older trombones are generally a bit meek sounding. DanP _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 08:10:23 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Ebay oddities Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020302080836.00b9b600@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:12 PM 3/1/2002 -0600, Fred Hudson wrote: The Couesnon is an interesting story I've lost the link but you could look it up on google. At one time there were 11 manufacturing sites in France but it is now down to one - hand made fluegel horns. Still the fluegel horn of choice for jazz. Yes, I believe they went completely out of production for a number of years. Apparently somebody saved the tooling and was able to get a fraction of their product line built under contract recently. It remains to be seen if these new instruments are as good as the brand's reputation. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 05:10:54 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Fw: NYC "Chorus Line" Trombonists Message-ID: <20020302131054.21466.qmail@web10305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There were 3 trombones in that show. The bass trombonist was a friend of my parents' (sadly, I can't seem to remember his name), and he let me sit in the pit with them in about 1988. That night Wayne Andre was sight-reading the first part. Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 07:18:50 -0600 From: "McFarland's" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Conn 88H Message-ID: <001101c1c1ec$cbf8b000$374a4740@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I haven't received any e-mail from the list in 3 days. Is anybody out there? Trombone content... I'm in the market for a new trombone. The Conn 88H series "Gen 2" has peaked my interest. Does anybody know anything about this horn or had experience with it? I've downloaded all the info from the UMI website and I'm working with my local dealer to get one to try before "taking the plunge." The main things I'm interested in are quality and flexibility (interchangeability). I'm specifying the thinwall rose brass bell or the #98 bell option, open wrap f-attachment with the new CL2000 rotor, and 2 slides (not to be used simultaneously)... .547 straight bore and the .547/.525 dual bore (both with 3 interchangeable leadpipes). I'll be using different mouthpieces in different situations. Thanks. Pat ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 07:43:55 -0600 From: "Edwards Eric, Leandra, Sara & Jared" To: "Trombone-L\(posts\)" Subject: part prices Message-ID: <001801c1c1f0$4cc3d9a0$a837fea9@elsj> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, regarding the price of a new slide, just figure it's basically half of a horn. So if a new Bach bass retails for $2500 to $3000, $1200 is almost right. Please don't get me wrong! I'm not justifying these outrageous amounts. I do not believe these instruments are worth anywhere near what Selmer and Holton are asking. Especially quality wise!! As far as availability, Selmer, for one, does not keep a separate warehouse for parts. Replacement parts come off of the assembly line. Sometimes they have extra parts from a run of a particular model. So if they run out, you just have to wait until they retool for that model, and hope the specifications don't change too dramatically. Thanks Eric Edwards bonearzt@mindspring.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 08:02:39 -0600 From: "Edwards Eric, Leandra, Sara & Jared" To: "Trombone-L\(posts\)" , Subject: Re: Conn 88H Message-ID: <007901c1c1f2$eae977a0$a837fea9@elsj> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Pat, I've tried several new 88H's, and even though I play bass mostly, I fell in love with them. I feel they are probably the best mass produced horns on the market. And speaking from a repairman's perspective, UMI has done a wonderful job with the care & quality in building these bones. If I were in the market for a tenor I wouldn't think twice about buying one. Thanks Eric Edwards bonearzt@mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "McFarland's" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 7:18 AM Subject: Conn 88H > I haven't received any e-mail from the list in 3 days. Is anybody out > there? > > Trombone content... > I'm in the market for a new trombone. The Conn 88H series "Gen 2" has > peaked my interest. Does anybody know anything about this horn or had > experience with it? I've downloaded all the info from the UMI website and > I'm working with my local dealer to get one to try before "taking the > plunge." The main things I'm interested in are quality and flexibility > (interchangeability). I'm specifying the thinwall rose brass bell or the > #98 bell option, open wrap f-attachment with the new CL2000 rotor, and 2 > slides (not to be used simultaneously)... .547 straight bore and the > .547/.525 dual bore (both with 3 interchangeable leadpipes). I'll be using > different mouthpieces in different situations. > > Thanks. > > Pat > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 08:01:39 -0600 From: "Chris McClure" To: Subject: Re: A rude awakening Message-ID: <008001c1c1f2$c77d2b40$2670ddd8@chrismcc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While I was fortunate enough to have a solid music education all the way through in my school system, I did not always take private lessons. Between the ones I did take and my middle and high school music teachers, I was ready enough to audition and be accepted into the USMC field band program after I graduated. So I went "professional" probably a few years before I was really ready. But the playing opportunities made up in part for the private study I didnt do for myself. When I retired and finally realized that I should have been studying privately along the way, I had bad habits to break (still do, actually, but at least I know about them, now). I am grateful that my college music instructors did not give up on me. And I gave them some major challenges with technique, and life situations in general. I have been fortunate that all of my collegiate trombone instructors were also music educators (K-12) and I know that I gave them challenges and made them want to pull their hair out. And my college studies are taking a long time....started in 96 and I may not be done until the end of '03. But none of my teachers ever sent me away (though a larger college might have had to due to the competition for available slots). I am finally starting to become the trombone player I dreamed of being, and you can't measure that in just one audition. I am glad that my auditions were heard by instructors who could also hear my potential. I highly recommend that this student pursue general studies, at the two year school nearby. Transferring anywhere with an AA degree means less scheduling headaches with the music classes, proves motivation on the part of the student, and eliminates SOME redundant courses in the music/music ed degree program that don't seem to transfer between schools. He or she should be in the band and pursuing private lessons or taking them as a non-music major to start. Keep the music connection and throw in the hard work gradually. If the student was "best" because they were the "only" or previously only did band for fun, jumping right into a hardcore program is probably going to send them running to any other major. When all they need is some extra time with a good instructor. (Of course, I am not suggesting that anyone else can do it for them...just that I would hate to see someone not in music ed only due to their HS playing level when we can encourage them to improve so that they can eventually join in as they are ready.) Just my own experience and opinion talking here. God bless, Chris Ann ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 08:33:36 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Aphorisms Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020302083317.00aa13e0@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:47 PM 3/1/2002 -0700, Ian McKenzie (HOME) wrote: Blow don't suck! - high school music teacher a third of a century ago. I musta had the same guy! Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico KD5XB-2>APW251,PCSAT-1*:=3425.83N/10313.55W-PHG7150/WinAPRS 2.5.1 -EARL_CLOVIS -251-<630> Did you get a letter from Nigeria offering a "deal"? See http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/ and http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/Business/nigerian.htm ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 08:35:23 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Ebay oddities Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020302083456.019234c8@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:23 PM 3/1/2002 -0600, Tom Izzo wrote: Parrot Trombone http:// cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1518227652 South American Trb, not good reputation Don't they make a good lamp, though? Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico KD5XB-2>APW251,PCSAT-1*:=3425.83N/10313.55W-PHG7150/WinAPRS 2.5.1 -EARL_CLOVIS -251-<630> Did you get a letter from Nigeria offering a "deal"? See http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/ and http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/Business/nigerian.htm ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 15:43:08 From: "posaune rex" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: peter ellefson Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hello, my loyal website fans are writing me asking if Peter Ellefson plans to commute between Seattle and IU, or if there will be a job opening at one of the locations. Any info is appreciated! Thanks. stacy werblin swerblin@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 08:41:36 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Ebay oddities Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020302084102.01913910@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:15 PM 3/1/2002 -0600, Jon Moeller wrote: King 2b/tempo http://c gi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1519757947 Just to be clear, a Tempo is NOT a 2B. However, you might like the way it plays, as some of them are OK. Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico KD5XB-2>APW251,PCSAT-1*:=3425.83N/10313.55W-PHG7150/WinAPRS 2.5.1 -EARL_CLOVIS -251-<630> Did you get a letter from Nigeria offering a "deal"? See http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/ and http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/Business/nigerian.htm ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:46:57 -0600 From: "Jon Moeller" To: "Trombone List" Subject: RE: Ebay oddities Message-ID: <000001c1c201$7c6c1b20$9401a8c0@Jon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Of course it's not a 2b, but I can say it's the only silver plated/gold wash bell tempo I've ever seen -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of Earl Needham Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 9:42 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Ebay oddities At 09:15 PM 3/1/2002 -0600, Jon Moeller wrote: >King 2b/tempo > >http ://c >gi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1519757947 Just to be clear, a Tempo is NOT a 2B. However, you might like the way it plays, as some of them are OK. Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico KD5XB-2>APW251,PCSAT-1*:=3425.83N/10313.55W-PHG7150/WinAPRS 2.5.1 -EARL_CLOVIS -251-<630> Did you get a letter from Nigeria offering a "deal"? See http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/ and http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/Business/nigerian.htm ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 11:10:09 EST From: mahler427@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Aphorisms Message-ID: <10d.e4866db.29b25361@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's one John Drew told me just a few days ago: You must be a flawless technician and a mindful musician. -joseph ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:46:31 -0800 From: "Elisabeth Frederick" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Rude Awakening, College Message-ID: <001c01c1c212$30c1ed60$8e73fb3f@d9h2z9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello List, I am a college student, currently in my last semester at a Junior College. I was accepted out of high school to a number of colleges, but I couldn't decide where I wanted to go and the financial situation was just plain weird. So I ended up not going and attending JR college. I have a really cool trombone teacher, I've met many of the musicians who play professionally in this area and I've matured both as a musician and as a student. I do my homework now.....etc. It was really a good experience and I am glad that I didn't go to a 'major' university right out of high school. I am much more focused and I know what kind of program and atmosphere appeals to me. I did get lessons in high school, starting in my Sophomre year, which is when I got interested in the trombone. So, I was a little ahead of the game. But, most of the Jr. Colleges in the area have a program where you get 'free' lessons. It least at my school you have to take a weekly lesson, practice 5 hours on campus, take an ensemble, and take preformance studies, which is a class that we all preform for eachother and give 4 student recitals from our jury materials. So, going to Jr. College is a great idea. And, you save a large amount of money. $11 a unit is a good price. So, I pay $33 for the classes that make up my music lessons, isn't that a great discount!?! Later... Liz ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2316 Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 11:33:32 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess To: emrose79@pacbell.net Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: NTC Band Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I'll take this one, Ed. I served in our United States Navy Band in Washington, D.C. from 1971 to 1975 (proudly, I might add). At that time, new members of the band had their choice of instruments. This was usually done after a few weeks of training with the Ceremonial Band, however. I initially got a "used" 88H (my request), but later -- as section leader -- was able to convince the entire section to make the switch to the 88H so we would blend better. All compliments of you, the tax payer. But our Leader and administration office was happy to oblige, and happily had the budget to do so. In fact, there was one year when they had a surplus of money and we bought matching King 3Bs for the tenor trombones in the concert band to compliment our 88H's. We took BOTH on tour for awhile. As for Sousa -- you need to read Paul Bierley's terrific book on Sousa and his band. Terrific and interesting reading. According to Bierley, Sousa was most proud of his commission in the United States Navy, which happened around World War I. I don't recall his exact level of achievement (Lieutenant, perhaps?) -- but it was higher than the Marines had ever granted... Sousa directed a recruit training band in the Navy, and gave concerts with huge massed bands. Wouldn't you love to have been around in those days? mmmmm. Maybe not. Then you wouldn't be around THESE days. :-) Best always, Wayne Dyess At 3:33 PM -0800 2/27/02, emrose79@pacbell.net wrote: I just got back from NTC Great Lakes (my step-son just graduated from boot camp). In between watching the "kid", I was watching the base band (or at least the trombones). They seem to be playing Bach 42s. Are these G.I.? The announcer also said that the band was formed in 1903 by John Philip Souza, or at least directed by him. Is this true? I had alsways thought that he had directed only the USMC band. Thanks Ed -- ========================= Dr. J. Wayne Dyess, Professor of Music Lamar University Music Department P. O. 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