TROMBONE-L Digest 2298 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: mouthpiece materials by richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL 2) RE: mouthpiece materials by Steve Gamble 3) Re: mouthpiece materials by David Buckley 4) lawler tbones by "R.A. Bates" 5) Re: lawler tbones by "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" 6) Re: mouthpiece materials by "Daniel Pliskin" 7) Navy Band lead bone by TboneGib@aol.com 8) Re: lawler tbones by "Daniel Pliskin" 9) RE: Christian Lindberg Resistance Balancer - Baloney? by "Jon Moeller" 10) gold plating by "James W. Yardley" 11) Re: gold plating by "David Pozos" 12) Re: insurance, bach linkages, static by Craig Parmerlee 13) gold plating by Bruce Guttman 14) Re: linkages by "Elizabeth Lewis" 15) Bottoms Up??? by Earl Needham 16) Re: mouthpiece materials (glass mouthpiece) by "Elisabeth Frederick" 17) Re: mouthpiece materials (glass mouthpiece) by "Dave Wank" 18) RE: linkages by "Gary Greenhoe" 19) Successful transfer! by "Berggren, Erik" 20) Re: mouthpiece materials (glass mouthpiece) by Bruce Guttman ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2298 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:37:54 -0500 From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL To: sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: mouthpiece materials Message-ID: <81F62454EA21B94EA95517180D7303730243F848@lee-is-102.lee.army.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1B32B.37BE7980" I don't know about the physics of mouthpiece materials.Ê I have some ideas, but there is little likelihood of anyone sharing them! I do know something about the engineering involved in manufacturing something to precise dimensions in a variety of materials. I think we all agree mouthpieces demand precision manufacturing and that small dimensional changes can make a lot of difference. You will find that the same tool setups that give you good results in one material may not work at all for another, and each material will need careful experimenting before you start making a good copy of whatever you're copying. I am not at all surprised that Mr. Wilcox's brass mouthpiece turned out best, but it may have nothing to do with the material it was made out of. Brass is relatively easy to machine, and his machinist probably got pretty close to the size he wanted. If he used stainless steel, for example, which is fairly hard to work, he may not even have got close, and might not know it. You can work with stainless, or wax, or tungsten, etc., but for each material you work out your tactics largely by trial and error, and you don't get it anywhere near right the first time. Sometimes the first 100 times.Ê Peter, you might ask your friend why he wants to work with exotic materials. You don't need any particular amount of strength or light weight in a mouthpiece, which is why you normally use expensive metals. You want it cheap, non-toxic, somewhat corrosion resistant, easily machinable, and that's probably about all. Maybe easily platable as well.Ê -----Original Message----- From: Steve Gamble [mailto:sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 11:49 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: RE: mouthpiece materials Hi All, When I was in high school (class of '69!!), my private teacher was my math teacher. He had a doctorate in music. (He said he liked music too much to do it all the time.) His dissertation was on the subject of mouthpiece materials. As part of his research, he had a machinist make dozens of trumpet mouthpieces (he was a trumpet player) out of a wide variety of materials. I remember seeing the collection in his studio. The gist of the outcome of his research: brass is the best material. As to exactly what he did and what materials he tested, I don't remember. But I think his research was the basis for an article in The Instrumentalist. His name was Francis Wilcox (not sure of the spelling) if you want to try to look it up. Steve Gamble Librarian Tucson Symphony Orchestra 2175 N. 6th Ave. Tucson, AZ 85705 (520) 792-9155 x118 (520) 792-9314 fax sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Albert [SMTP:jalbert@bellsouth.net] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 9:18 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: RE: mouthpiece materials I have also heard of wood mouthpieces. I imagine that the predominance of brass as a mouthpiece material is due to a combination of cost and effectiveness. Brass is probably easier to form than steel, aluminum may have odd sound characteristics, titanium might sound great but is REALLY expensive. I am guessing at these things, but I would imagine that there are similar reasons. Maybe you can tell us what they are after your experiments. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 8:09 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: mouthpiece materials Hi everybody, I am thinking of making my own mouthpieces and have been talking to the guy who is going to do the actual manufacturing. We have been talking about materials and my only idea is brass with nickel-silver or gold plating. He is talking about using other materials that are foreign to me for mouthpieces; special steels, tungsten, aluminum etc. I don't know why mouthpieces are always made out of brass (with the exception of some plastics) and I don't want to fall into the trap of "they have always been made that way" so if anybody can provide me with some insight that would be helpful. Peter Collins Bass Trombone Hamilton Philharmonic Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2298 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:05:14 -0700 From: Steve Gamble To: "trombone-l@po.missouri.edu" Subject: RE: mouthpiece materials Message-ID: <01C1B2F4.5E19D480.sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Richard, You're probably right about everything. I have no idea to what extent Dr. Wilcox went to compensate for the kinds of things you mention. Besides, there may very well be a greater variety of materials from which to choose now than there was some forty or fifty years ago. I didn't mean to give the idea that I thought the research was conclusive. (When is research ever conclusive?) My only purpose was to point toward some research that had already been done. Steve Gamble Librarian Tucson Symphony Orchestra 2175 N. 6th Ave. Tucson, AZ 85705 (520) 792-9155 x118 (520) 792-9314 fax sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org -----Original Message----- From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL [SMTP:richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 11:38 AM To: sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org; trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: mouthpiece materials << File: ATT00014.htm >> I don't know about the physics of mouthpiece materials. I have some ideas, but there is little likelihood of anyone sharing them! I do know something about the engineering involved in manufacturing something to precise dimensions in a variety of materials. I think we all agree mouthpieces demand precision manufacturing and that small dimensional changes can make a lot of difference. You will find that the same tool setups that give you good results in one material may not work at all for another, and each material will need careful experimenting before you start making a good copy of whatever you're copying. I am not at all surprised that Mr. Wilcox's brass mouthpiece turned out best, but it may have nothing to do with the material it was made out of. Brass is relatively easy to machine, and his machinist probably got pretty close to the size he wanted. If he used stainless steel, for example, which is fairly hard to work, he may not even have got close, and might not know it. You can work with stainless, or wax, or tungsten, etc., but for each material you work out your tactics largely by trial and error, and you don't get it anywhere near right the first time. Sometimes the first 100 times. Peter, you might ask your friend why he wants to work with exotic materials. You don't need any particular amount of strength or light weight in a mouthpiece, which is why you normally use expensive metals. You want it cheap, non-toxic, somewhat corrosion resistant, easily machinable, and that's probably about all. Maybe easily platable as well. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Gamble [mailto:sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 11:49 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: RE: mouthpiece materials Hi All, When I was in high school (class of '69!!), my private teacher was my math teacher. He had a doctorate in music. (He said he liked music too much to do it all the time.) His dissertation was on the subject of mouthpiece materials. As part of his research, he had a machinist make dozens of trumpet mouthpieces (he was a trumpet player) out of a wide variety of materials. I remember seeing the collection in his studio. The gist of the outcome of his research: brass is the best material. As to exactly what he did and what materials he tested, I don't remember. But I think his research was the basis for an article in The Instrumentalist. His name was Francis Wilcox (not sure of the spelling) if you want to try to look it up. Steve Gamble Librarian Tucson Symphony Orchestra 2175 N. 6th Ave. Tucson, AZ 85705 (520) 792-9155 x118 (520) 792-9314 fax sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Albert [SMTP:jalbert@bellsouth.net] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 9:18 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: RE: mouthpiece materials I have also heard of wood mouthpieces. I imagine that the predominance of brass as a mouthpiece material is due to a combination of cost and effectiveness. Brass is probably easier to form than steel, aluminum may have odd sound characteristics, titanium might sound great but is REALLY expensive. I am guessing at these things, but I would imagine that there are similar reasons. Maybe you can tell us what they are after your experiments. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 8:09 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: mouthpiece materials Hi everybody, I am thinking of making my own mouthpieces and have been talking to the guy who is going to do the actual manufacturing. We have been talking about materials and my only idea is brass with nickel-silver or gold plating. He is talking about using other materials that are foreign to me for mouthpieces; special steels, tungsten, aluminum etc. I don't know why mouthpieces are always made out of brass (with the exception of some plastics) and I don't want to fall into the trap of "they have always been made that way" so if anybody can provide me with some insight that would be helpful. Peter Collins Bass Trombone Hamilton Philharmonic Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2298 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:37:13 -0500 From: David Buckley To: jalbert@bellsouth.net Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: mouthpiece materials Message-ID: <3C681D69.106A01ED@sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I blew on a wood mouthpiece at a British Trombone Society event as few years ago. Very odd feeling on the face. They seemed to resonate and you could feel all the vibrations. Didn't play enough to tell what it did to the sound. They were extraordinarily beautiful though, real works of art. Bought a Lindberg mouthpiece- which is also a work of art- in Nashville for my alto trombone. As yet not convinced I like it but it sure looks pretty. Dave. Jeff Albert wrote: > I have also heard of wood mouthpieces. I imagine that the predominance > of brass as a mouthpiece material is due to a combination of cost and > effectiveness. Brass is probably easier to form than steel, aluminum > may have odd sound characteristics, titanium might sound great but is > REALLY expensive. I am guessing at these things, but I would imagine > that there are similar reasons. Maybe you can tell us what they are > after your experiments. > > Jeff > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu > [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of Peter Collins & > Sara Wilbur > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 8:09 AM > To: Trombones and related issues forum. > Subject: mouthpiece materials > > Hi everybody, > > I am thinking of making my own mouthpieces and have been talking to the > guy who is going to do the actual manufacturing. We have been talking > about materials and my only idea is brass with nickel-silver or gold > plating. He is talking about using other materials that are foreign to > me for mouthpieces; special steels, tungsten, aluminum etc. I don't know > why mouthpieces are always made out of brass (with the exception of some > plastics) and I don't want to fall into the trap of "they have always > been made that way" so if anybody can provide me with some insight that > would be helpful. > > Peter Collins > Bass Trombone > Hamilton Philharmonic Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2298 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:42:59 -0500 From: "R.A. Bates" To: "Trom Bone List" Subject: lawler tbones Message-ID: <000801c1b33c$b1abcac0$4defd018@bates> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1B312.C8835D00" Whenever I try to go lawlerbrass.com I get Sunfinder vacations.Whasup? ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2298 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:47:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" To: "R.A. Bates" Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: lawler tbones Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, R.A. Bates wrote: > Whenever I try to go lawlerbrass.com I get Sunfinder vacations.Whasup? Life is a vacation when you play trombone? Carole cnowicke@indiana.edu ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2298 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:57:50 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: mouthpiece materials Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Peter, After doing lots of mouthpiece modifications, I considered making my own mouthpieces. So, Iâve done a bit of thinking about all this. First, donât even bother trying to make a mouthpiece without a numeric-control (NC) lathe. The whole things about inconsistencies, between mouthpieces, which are supposedly the same model, is that they were made with form tools, not NC. Itâs not about production. Itâs about being able to repeat your experiment, or, better yet, being able to make a mouthpiece, which is exactly the same except for one small detail. OK. On to materials: Initially brass was chosen in that itâs easy to work and hard enough to retain its form. Mouthpieces were made of a highly machinable alloy of brass, which had a high lead content. There are alloys of aluminum that are hard enough for a mouthpiece and the hard aluminums, generally machine very well. But aluminum is amphoteric (capable of reacting with acids or bases). Un-anodized aluminum would react with saliva and not-so-slowly disintegrate. Anodized aluminum could be cool. Calphalon and Magnelight are anodized aluminum. Theyâre rugged and easy to clean. There are several nice colors that you could use, although I donât know what chemicals are used to get those colors and that could be a problem. But anodized aluminum is highly abrasive, so the outside of the shank would need to be re-machined, down to the aluminum. Lots of people are allergic to nickel, a component of stainless steel. So, although stainless might be a great mouthpiece material, it wouldnât be for everybody. That also raises questions about the use of nickel-silver as a plating. Tungsten is one of the hardest materials to machine. If you have way more money than you know what to do with, then, by all means, see what a tungsten mouthpiece is like. But while weâre considering materials that are hard to machine, titanium is a great material. But way before going there, there are lots of plastics to consider, as well as impregnated plastics. Has anybody tried making mouthpieces out of bronze? If you wanted to minimize resonance, within the mouthpiece, magnesium comes to mind. Then, what about zinc·cheap to cast, a bit brittle but strong enough to make carburetors out of. And why stop at metals. A ceramic mouthpiece could be great. It has the same problem of being abrasive as anodized aluminum, but its incredible in-elasticity might do something wonderful for the sound. And while youâre talking about mouthpieces that you dare not drop, thereâs also glass. Iâd say that thereâs no end to where this could lead, and so, hereâs what I suggest. I suggest that you start with brass, come up with a mouthpiece that you like and then try making mouthpieces of that same design out of other materials. Changing materials will change the weight of the mouthpiece, so be willing to make mouthpieces with various wall thicknesses. If youâre still interested in a material, you might want to adjust the inside dimensions, of the mouthpiece, for a specific material. Iâm reminded of how long Edison worked to try to invent the light bulb. DanP I am thinking of making my own mouthpieces and have been talking to the guy who is going to do the actual manufacturing. We have been talking about materials and my only idea is brass with nickel-silver or gold plating. He is talking about using other materials that are foreign to me for mouthpieces; special steels, tungsten, aluminum etc. I don't know why mouthpieces are always made out of brass (with the exception of some plastics) and I don't want to fall into the trap of "they have always been made that way" so if anybody can provide me with some insight that would be helpful. Peter Collins Bass Trombone Hamilton Philharmonic Orchestra _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2298 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:12:32 EST From: TboneGib@aol.com To: TROMBONE-L@po.missouri.edu Subject: Navy Band lead bone Message-ID: <99.21a5de55.29998dc0@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tim Pitchford has been offered the lead bone spot in the Navy's premiere jazz ensemble, the Commodores. Tim will finish his Masters Degree here at Georgia State this semester, then probably head off to Basic Training. From there, on to Washington DC. Congrats to him and may it inspire those of you sitting frustrated in a practice room........hard work is rewarded. Dedication is worth it. Gigs are available for fine players....always will be. Tom Gibson Brass Dept. Coordinator Georgia State University tbonegib@aol w: 404-651-1740 trombonelessons.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2298 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:20:43 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: lawler tbones Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Whenever I try to go lawlerbrass.com I get Sunfinder vacations.Whasup? R.A., Clearly, youâve been working too hard. To put it not so kindly, youâre out of it. And just as clearly, youâre not a religious person. If you were, youâd recognize an omen, when you saw one. You need a vacation. Elementary· DanP _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2298 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:24:01 -0600 From: "Jon Moeller" To: "'Trombone List'" Subject: RE: Christian Lindberg Resistance Balancer - Baloney? Message-ID: <000001c1b34a$ceb206d0$9401a8c0@Jon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually I have a good explanation to all this. 1. My friends all come to my house to use my computer since I'm the only one who has internet access. 2. 2 of them are trombone players, and post to this list with my name 3. I HATE marching band! -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of Gary Greenhoe Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 11:14 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: RE: Christian Lindberg Resistance Balancer - Baloney? Hi Jon, I don't mean this in an unkind way, but aren't you the same Jon that a few days ago posted several pictures of your embouchure and were complaining of serious problems playing notes above the staff? Now you are asking about questionable accessories for you horn so you can project better on the parade deck? This is the same Jon that wants to be the best trombonist in the world? In a major orchestra? I have just one comment at this point. Please spend your money on some serious trombone lessons with a qualified trombonist and forget about equipment. No....two comments: Trying to get more projection with a marching horn is not a solution to your problem...or desires. Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Jon Moeller Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 10:29 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Christian Lindberg Resistance Balancer - Baloney? Has anyone heard of the Christian Lindberg Resistance Balancer? And if anyone has, have you used it, or heard it used, or somehow determined that it did something? I would like to get one of these for my marching horn, so I can project more, but I don't want to waste my money ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2298 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:47:36 -0800 From: "James W. Yardley" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: gold plating Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List, I've been searching through my old L e-mails searching for information on gold plated mouthpieces. From what I've read from earlier posts, it sounds like Anderson Plating in Elkhart is the place to have a mouthpiece gold plated. My question is, what are the benefits and disadvantages to having a gold plated mouthpiece? Does gold plating produce a desired sound or is it a feel issue? Curiously yours, James Yardley ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2298 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:43:52 -0600 From: "David Pozos" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: gold plating Message-ID: <001101c1b366$b9dd2ac0$4bc2180a@xal.megared.net.mx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Chuck McAlexander does very fine gold plating of mouthpieces and it lasts. He«s at the Brasslab in Manhattan. David Pozos Primer Tromb—n Orquesta Sinf—nica de Xalapa www.sinfonicadexalapa.com ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "James W. Yardley" Para: "Trombones and related issues forum." Enviado: Lunes, 11 de Febrero de 2002 08:47 p.m. Asunto: gold plating > List, > > I've been searching through my old L e-mails searching for information on > gold plated mouthpieces. From what I've read from earlier posts, it sounds > like Anderson Plating in Elkhart is the place to have a mouthpiece gold > plated. My question is, what are the benefits and disadvantages to having a > gold plated mouthpiece? Does gold plating produce a desired sound or is it > a feel issue? > > Curiously yours, > James Yardley ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2298 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:48:51 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: insurance, bach linkages, static Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020211224716.01f12748@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:08 PM 2/10/2002 -0600, Chris Waage wrote: OK - I should know better than answer posts at 1:00 a.m. . . I know brass will conduct electricity, but it sure didn't sound like it in that reply - my answer was dead wrong. With a little more clarity of thought, it's a circuit issue. Usually, your trombone is isolated in some way - if it's on a stand, it's sitting on rubber (which I feel I can state IS non-conductive ). In the case, it's wood and cloth (as a rule). Plus most of us play most of the time while seated. Usually the seat will discharge any static electricity from our bodies before we grab the horn. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2298 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:20:16 -0500 From: Bruce Guttman To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: gold plating Message-ID: <200202112320_MC3-F1A5-7444@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message text written by INTERNET:yardlejw@uwec.edu >From what I've read from earlier posts, it sounds like Anderson Plating in Elkhart is the place to have a mouthpiece gold plated. My question is, what are the benefits and disadvantages to having a gold plated mouthpiece? Does gold plating produce a desired sound or is it a feel issue?< This has been hashed here, on the OTJ Forum, and at Trombone Central. There is no basis for the plating to create a difference in the sound. Gold is a little more "slippery" than silver. It's a different color. If you think it will make a difference in your playing, it probably will (major placebo effect). FWIW, I have Denis Wick 4BL mouthpieces in Gold and Silver, and I found no difference between them, except the gold is a little slipperier; moves on my face a little. Bruce Guttman Solo Trombone, Hollis Town Band Section Leader, Merrimack Valley Philharmonic Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2298 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:52:23 -0600 From: "Elizabeth Lewis" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: linkages Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While we're on the subject, my Shires/Thayer valve (with minibal linkage) is REALLY loud. I've tried putting grease on the linkage contact points, switching bumper materials (cork, neoprene, etc.), to no avail. My only guess is that it might have something to do with the resonance of the horn. Has anyone else with this setup noticed this, or can anyone explain it? Beth Lewis Go Get It! Send FREE Valentine eCards with Lycos Greetings http://greetings.lycos.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2298 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:27:35 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Bottoms Up??? Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020211232454.00aa0a88@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Anybody know how many albums have been titled Bottoms Up? The reason I ask, is that tonight I saw "Jazz 1" over at Texas Tech, the guest artist was Victor Bailey, formerly of Weather Report, and a great bassist, BTW -- but his bio stated that his first solo "CD" was titled Bottoms Up. Hmm... Thanks, Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico KD5XB-2>APU24L,WA5IHL-11,K5BEN-15,WA5IHL-7,W5SF-1,K5CQH-15,WB5EKP-1*,TRACE7- 1:=3425.84N/10313.56W-[DM84] Pet peeve #1: You look at a "SITE" with your "SIGHT". Pet peeve #2: "Congratulations" does NOT have a "d" in it. Old pet peeve: People who get themselves on a mailing list and then can't figure out how to get OFF the list, then repeatedly sending "unsubscribe" or "remove" as one-word messages to the list. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2298 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:02:05 -0800 From: "Elisabeth Frederick" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: mouthpiece materials (glass mouthpiece) Message-ID: <003501c1b393$2fb15600$0472fb3f@d9h2z9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would think that a glass mouthpiece would be pretty interesting.....a really quick way to see problems.......*ICK*......has anyone made glass or ceramic mouthpieces?? It dosen't seem like it would be overly expensive.....except when you consistently dropped them..... What a neat idea! Liz > And why stop at metals. A ceramic mouthpiece could be great. It has the > same problem of being abrasive as anodized aluminum, but its incredible > in-elasticity might do something wonderful for the sound. And while you're > talking about mouthpieces that you dare not drop, there's also glass. > > I'd say that there's no end to where this could lead, and so, here's what I > suggest. I suggest that you start with brass, come up with a mouthpiece > that you like and then try making mouthpieces of that same design out of > other materials. Changing materials will change the weight of the > mouthpiece, so be willing to make mouthpieces with various wall thicknesses. > If you're still interested in a material, you might want to adjust the > inside dimensions, of the mouthpiece, for a specific material. > > I'm reminded of how long Edison worked to try to invent the light bulb. > > DanP > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2298 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 02:22:56 -0500 From: "Dave Wank" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: mouthpiece materials (glass mouthpiece) Message-ID: <000601c1b396$184ab4e0$a598fea9@computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many, many summers ago a few of us had windywood mouthpieces which were clear, but I am sure they were not glass. Clear, nevertheless, enough to see through them when they were not in use. However, as soon as we played on one the inside was covered with condensation! We got a great view of "Tiny Bubbles"! dave wank ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2298 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 06:21:47 -0600 From: "Gary Greenhoe" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: linkages Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Beth, I've found with detachable systems that if there is any connection on the instrument that is not tight, activating the valve will amplify a loose part that sounds like it is the linkage....but upon closer inspection it is often a slightly loose detach nut on the bell....or somewhere else. Be sure to check any and every possible screw thread connection on the horn. Also make sure that the stop arm screw is tight. These things will drive you crazy trying to locate, but are almost never in the minibal. Also, make sure the locknuts on the linkage rod are tightened properly. If not, apply Loctite 222 to any of the small screws or nuts on the linkage assembly. This will keep them from coming loose, but not to a point where they can't be removed, if necessary. After checking all of these and ensuring that they are not loose, the only other logical problem is a worn bearing at the spindle of the Thayer valve. Good luck with your search and discovery! Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Elizabeth Lewis Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 10:52 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: linkages While we're on the subject, my Shires/Thayer valve (with minibal linkage) is REALLY loud. I've tried putting grease on the linkage contact points, switching bumper materials (cork, neoprene, etc.), to no avail. My only guess is that it might have something to do with the resonance of the horn. Has anyone else with this setup noticed this, or can anyone explain it? Beth Lewis Go Get It! Send FREE Valentine eCards with Lycos Greetings http://greetings.lycos.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2298 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:53:15 -0600 From: "Berggren, Erik" To: "'Trombone-L'" Subject: Successful transfer! Message-ID: <72F9096757B3D51186C500E01828EA7002976F@BKXCHUSR01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1B3D5.005D1230" Listers! A huge THANK YOU! to all of you for your assistance on learning how to transfer LP and cassette recordings to CD using my home PC! As I write this I'm listening to a recording of a Lions State Band concert from 1975. It is a recording I transferred from LP to cassette to CD. Although it took me longer than I thought (just to find the free time to do it!), it is almost pure ecstasy listening to this recording and knowing it has been preserved on a relatively current form of media! There are just soooo many more to do! Thanks to all of you for making this List a true resource for many things! Erik Berggren - AAA Always An Amateur ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2298 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:06:24 -0500 From: Bruce Guttman To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: mouthpiece materials (glass mouthpiece) Message-ID: <200202121106_MC3-F1A5-2B9D@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message text written by INTERNET:eliztbone@nctimes.net >I would think that a glass mouthpiece would be pretty interesting.....a really quick way to see problems.......*ICK*......has anyone made glass or ceramic mouthpieces??< When I got my 1925 Olds trombone (in 1965), there were remnants of a ceramic mouthpiece (brass shank and bowl, ceramic rim). No maker on the thing. There are a series of mouthpieces made by TruView that are glass. I know of a 6 1/2 AL and a 1 1/2 G. These are intended for teachers to examine embouchure while playing. If you want to see one, you can go to the OnLine Trombone Journal Forum and look for a response by Dr. Dave Wilken on Air Flow. He included some pictures taken through a TruView. I had a friend who had a crystal mouthpiece for her clarinet. Used it for 25 years, and then dropped it. Irreplacable :-( Hope this helps Bruce Guttman Solo Trombone, Hollis Town Band Section Leader, Merrimack Valley Philharmonic Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2298--