TROMBONE-L Digest 2295 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Diminished Cord Part Writing by "Adrian Drover" 2) Linkage for Edwards by Craig Parmerlee 3) Re: Eugene Ormandy Quotes by "Gary D. Maxwell" 4) Minick Conn bass trombone & Edwards bass trombone for sale. by SFTrombone@aol.com 5) Re: Linkage for Edwards by Posaune9@aol.com 6) Minibals available! by "Gary Greenhoe" 7) RE: Minibals available! by "Jon Moeller" 8) RE: Minibals available! by Craig Parmerlee ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2295 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:20:38 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Diminished Cord Part Writing Message-ID: <002f01c1b0cd$62c24e50$0c98fc3e@homel29g9mgyk9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Steve Gamble" > Now, if you're trying to get an A in part writing class, > forget what I said and do it by the book. Good advice Steve. As a long time arranger/composer in jazz and commercial music, I break a lot of the rules, so I spent a little time this afternoon reading what "the book" says about diminished 7th chords. Walter Piston's book seems to be the most comprehensive I have on this subject. Condensing its 12 pages, it basically rules that dim. 5th intervals should always converge. A dim.7th chord built on the leading note has two such intervals, so if resolving to the tonic chord, the 3rd has to be doubled in the resolution. This is to avoid similar motion to a perfect 5th. In inversions that contain the Aug.4th interval, the supertonic may fall. Also "In 4-part writing no factor of a dim.7th chord is omitted, in any position". Interesting that even tho' Walt was professor at Harvard U., he uses good olde European spelling of "chord" in his book. I have always considered dim.7th chords as having no root at all, but being rather the upper part of a dom.7(b9). In spelling the chord, it is usually the bass note that is called on to be the root, tho' I have seen many scores in which the melody note takes on this role. How strange! Adrian ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2295 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 19:05:39 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Linkage for Edwards Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020208185923.01f254a0@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed My Edwards came with the little plastic socket joints (brass ball inside a plastic socket) After about 14 month's use, one of those joints got stiff enough to slow down the action, even when well lubed. Edwards can supply an improved joint that looks very similar to the original, but appears to have a brass sheath in the socket portion. In other words, the contact is brass to brass, although the socket housing is still plastic. I put one of these on today, and it seems to be OK. I imagine it will last awhile. However, that got me looking at the Minibal. All I have been able to find on this is an Osmun service that requires you to send them your horn and costs $120 per valve. No thanks to that. Does anybody offer a Minibal assembly that fits the Edwards linkage without having to send it to a shop for installation? Thanks, Craig ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2295 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:27:16 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." , Subject: Re: Eugene Ormandy Quotes Message-ID: <000c01c1b100$88757540$61525d3f@garymaxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C1B0BD.78EA19C0" OR--How about a new Berra=ism that Yogi made the other day, whenÊ receiving an Honorary Degree: "You graduating Seniors have aÊ great future, even if it isn't the same future it used to be". Submitted by, Gary Maxwell Bass Trombone Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom G Tyson To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 6:08 AM Subject: Eugene Ormandy Quotes After quoting Hans Vonk and Paul Desmond, why donât we quote some of Eugene Ormandyâs gems too. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2295 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:36:20 EST From: SFTrombone@aol.com To: Trombone-L@po.missouri.edu Subject: Minick Conn bass trombone & Edwards bass trombone for sale. Message-ID: <23.18f2f77c.2995c904@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_23.18f2f77c.2995c904_boundary" A client of mine has two bass trombones for sale, so I'm posting this for him. ÊIf interested, call or email him directly, don't email me. ÊHe is available until February 15, then is moving overseas.. Robert Hsu (626) 447 - 4076, Liweihsu@yahoo.com Minick Conn 71H bass trombone. ÊConverted by Larry Minick to stacked double valves, open wrap in F and D, Minick crossover 2nd valve paddle. Ê.562" bore Conn yellow brass standard weight slide, removable leadpipe. Ê9.5" yellow brass bell. ÊEssentially this horn is now a custom 73H, a double valve version of the otherwise identical 71H and 72H. ÊGreat condition, great slide, 90% lacquer. ÊIncludes new custom Walt Johnson hard case. ÊHe's asking $1900 plus shipping, or best offer. Also he has a colleague's Edwards double Thayer in-line bass trombone. Ê.562" standard bore standard weight slide, 9.5" rose brass bell, model #1312CF, a little lacquer wear, and a few dents have been removed. ÊSome scarring remains on a transition tube into the second valve where a dent was removed. ÊValve action is perfect, and alignment is good. ÊSlide works great, both just got a tune up by me. ÊComes with Getzen hard case. ÊAsking $1500 plus shipping. Steve Ferguson www.steveferguson.net ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2295 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:47:54 EST From: Posaune9@aol.com To: craig@acticalc.com, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Linkage for Edwards Message-ID: <84.230f4282.2995cbba@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_84.230f4282.2995cbba_boundary" Craig, Get Yamaha's tuba linkage. ÊIt's metal on metal, works great and is pricey (cost is about $100) but should be less than what osmun would charge, and you can install them yourself. Ryan Johnstone Curtis Institute of Music ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2295 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:13:41 -0600 From: "Gary Greenhoe" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." , Subject: Minibals available! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Craig and list, I would be willing to sell Minibals and linkages to anyone needing them. All I would need is an accurate length of the rod for the complete assembly. I machine rods from nickel silver and thread them to specifications. As the Minibals are very expensive I will try to establish a good price for anyone needing them. As an introductory offer, I will sell them for $15 each plus shipping. If I don't get overwhelmed, I will cut and thread nickel silver rods to your specified length for $15 each. If you really want to go uptown...for another 2 bucks, I will include stainless steel 3mm locknuts to lock the minibals to the rod...AND a stainless steel screw for each minibal which has a 2.5mm x .45 (as I recall) thread with a hex socket. If your own screws are usable...the nuts would be a buck. Stainless steel, mind you! Try to find those at your local hardware.... So, a complete package would be custom made to your specs for $47 plus shipping. The Minibals that I use are GK 6-2.5 which have a ball hole for a 2.5mm screw. The threads of the rod are 3mm. If you would like to check Martin Seybold's website, here is the link: http://home.t-online.de/home/minibal/ The Minibals as of today are about $14 each figuring the exchange rate. Minibals are the only reasonable answer I've found and they never break! I'm fed up with plastic of any kind....just too many have broken on me at critical times. I would rather use string! Kind Regards, Gary Gary Greenhoe Greenhoe Musical Instrument Components Milwaukee Symphony Orchestra gary@greenhoe.com http://www.greenhoe.com 262-677-0460 -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Craig Parmerlee Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 6:06 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Linkage for Edwards My Edwards came with the little plastic socket joints (brass ball inside a plastic socket) After about 14 month's use, one of those joints got stiff enough to slow down the action, even when well lubed. Edwards can supply an improved joint that looks very similar to the original, but appears to have a brass sheath in the socket portion. In other words, the contact is brass to brass, although the socket housing is still plastic. I put one of these on today, and it seems to be OK. I imagine it will last awhile. However, that got me looking at the Minibal. All I have been able to find on this is an Osmun service that requires you to send them your horn and costs $120 per valve. No thanks to that. Does anybody offer a Minibal assembly that fits the Edwards linkage without having to send it to a shop for installation? Thanks, Craig ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2295 Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 11:18:24 -0600 From: "Jon Moeller" To: "Trombone List" Subject: RE: Minibals available! Message-ID: <000701c1b18d$c84c8e50$9401a8c0@Jon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now if you could only drop the price on your double tenor attachment to $47 -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of Gary Greenhoe Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 11:14 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Minibals available! Hi Craig and list, I would be willing to sell Minibals and linkages to anyone needing them. All I would need is an accurate length of the rod for the complete assembly. I machine rods from nickel silver and thread them to specifications. As the Minibals are very expensive I will try to establish a good price for anyone needing them. As an introductory offer, I will sell them for $15 each plus shipping. If I don't get overwhelmed, I will cut and thread nickel silver rods to your specified length for $15 each. If you really want to go uptown...for another 2 bucks, I will include stainless steel 3mm locknuts to lock the minibals to the rod...AND a stainless steel screw for each minibal which has a 2.5mm x .45 (as I recall) thread with a hex socket. If your own screws are usable...the nuts would be a buck. Stainless steel, mind you! Try to find those at your local hardware.... So, a complete package would be custom made to your specs for $47 plus shipping. The Minibals that I use are GK 6-2.5 which have a ball hole for a 2.5mm screw. The threads of the rod are 3mm. If you would like to check Martin Seybold's website, here is the link: http://home.t-online.de/home/minibal/ The Minibals as of today are about $14 each figuring the exchange rate. Minibals are the only reasonable answer I've found and they never break! I'm fed up with plastic of any kind....just too many have broken on me at critical times. I would rather use string! Kind Regards, Gary Gary Greenhoe Greenhoe Musical Instrument Components Milwaukee Symphony Orchestra gary@greenhoe.com http://www.greenhoe.com 262-677-0460 -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Craig Parmerlee Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 6:06 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Linkage for Edwards My Edwards came with the little plastic socket joints (brass ball inside a plastic socket) After about 14 month's use, one of those joints got stiff enough to slow down the action, even when well lubed. Edwards can supply an improved joint that looks very similar to the original, but appears to have a brass sheath in the socket portion. In other words, the contact is brass to brass, although the socket housing is still plastic. I put one of these on today, and it seems to be OK. I imagine it will last awhile. However, that got me looking at the Minibal. All I have been able to find on this is an Osmun service that requires you to send them your horn and costs $120 per valve. No thanks to that. Does anybody offer a Minibal assembly that fits the Edwards linkage without having to send it to a shop for installation? Thanks, Craig ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2295 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 12:46:09 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Minibals available! Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020209124424.01e4eb88@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:18 AM 2/9/2002 -0600, Jon Moeller wrote: Now if you could only drop the price on your double tenor attachment to $47 Or you could look at it this way. If you buy 4 miniballs for $450 each, Gary will throw in the rest of the double tenor section for free! You can't beat that. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2295--