TROMBONE-L Digest 2291 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Mouthpiece info by "Jerry Blomberg" 2) Re: Breath attacks now it's stupid mute tricks by emrose79@pacbell.net 3) Patriotic fervor by "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> 4) Producers by Anders.Carlsson@gfs.gu.se (Anders Carlsson) 5) "I'm Getting Cement All Over You" recording by "James W. Yardley" 6) Re: Producers by Gabriel Langfur 7) Re: Producers by Dansatt@aol.com 8) Re: Mouthpiece info by Gabriel Langfur 9) Mariah Carey by Earl Needham 10) Re: Producers by Earl Needham 11) Re: Mouthpiece info by "Jerry Blomberg" 12) Buddy Rich's version of "Wave" by "Shaun Hillen" 13) RE: Cement all over by TboneGib@aol.com 14) Re: Trombone stands by Richard Parmer 15) Re: Mouthpiece info by "Daniel Pliskin" 16) King 607F vs. King 608F by "Daniel Pliskin" 17) Thanks Doug by "Bob Byers" 18) Re: King 607F vs. King 608F by Eric & Candice Swanson 19) having trouble in upper register by "Jon Moeller" 20) RE: having trouble in upper register (what my playing looks like) by "Jon Moeller" 21) Finale Graphics/Hidas Concerti by "Aaron Roth" 22) Re: Buddy Rich's version of Wave by "Denver D. Seifried" 23) Re: Buddy Rich's version of "Wave" by "Steve LaRue" 24) Re: Doug Yeo by "Richard Johnson" 25) Re: Breath attacks now it's stupid mute tricks by "Adrian Drover" 26) practice mute warning by "Charles Levine" 27) Re: Buddy Rich's version of "Wave" by "Dean McCarty" 28) Lincoln Center Jazz Orchestra trombone section by "Richard Johnson" 29) Posting Messages by Listmonitor Trombone-L 30) Re: Super Bowl (was: Doug Yeo) by Douglas Yeo 31) Re: Breath attacks now it's stupid mute tricks by Atlbrvsnt@aol.com 32) by Barry Green 33) Re: Producers by Gabriel Langfur 34) Peter Collins by David Buckley 35) Re: Wave by "Shaun Hillen" 36) More on Sam Burtis from NYC to Indianapolis + back, Feb.6-Feb.??? by sabutin 37) Re: Mouthpiece info by Gabriel Langfur 38) RE: Mouthpiece info by "Kevin Saunders" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 12:39:01 -0800 From: "Jerry Blomberg" To: "trombone list" Subject: Mouthpiece info Message-ID: <000d01c1adbc$6e196720$4786d43f@cubs> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How many of you are using the Jeff Reynolds-L bass mouthpiece? Can anyone tell me what Bach piece it is comparable to? I know it was designed like the Minnick-L (what ever that means) but do you have any numbers? To me, it feels very comfortable with the wide rounded rim, much more so than the Conn(UMI) George Roberts piece that I have. The GR is also much lighter even though it has a 1 1/4H cup. Any thoughts? Jerry Blomberg jerrzo@netzero.net <>< ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 12:51:31 -0800 From: emrose79@pacbell.net To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Breath attacks now it's stupid mute tricks Message-ID: <3C5EF453.4ED0F176@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT OK..I've got a question about mutes...I always seem to get a call for a plunger mute when playing a "trigger" note, that is a note below the staff. How do you do both? Ed "Guion, David" wrote: > > Steve Beck threatened: > > > I'm going to invent a flexible stand that truly lets me play the trombone > > one handed. Then I can make all the crazy mute changes like the trumpet > > players can. > > > Don't do that! You'll just encourage arrangers and composers to write even > crazier mute changes than they already do. > > Brass band composers seem to specialize in demanding the mute be put in and > taken out in too little time all for the sake of about three notes. > > ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ > David Guion, Cataloging Librarian > The John Marshall Law School > 315 S. Plymouth Ct. > Chicago, IL 60604 > Voice: (312) 427-2737 x 552 Fax; (312) 427-8307 > 8guion@jmls.edu > > Should part-time band directors be called semi-conductors? > > Quidquid latine dictum sit, profundum viditur. > > ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:44:17 -0600 From: "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> To: "'trombone-l'" Subject: Patriotic fervor Message-ID: <47763CCCA27C4F4FA4BEF7DDB754A1E71249E5@marshall.jmls.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain We all know, of course, why the Patriots won. Doug Yeo and the Boston Pops played. Doug told us more than once that the Patriots have never lost games where he was invited to play. I didn't think they could keep the string going this time, but that was the second most exciting Super Bowl I have ever watched. (I'd have to rank the first time the Bills lost as the tops, as the lead changed several times in that game. Congratulations! ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ David Guion, Cataloging Librarian The John Marshall Law School 315 S. Plymouth Ct. Chicago, IL 60604 Voice: (312) 427-2737 x 552 Fax; (312) 427-8307 8guion@jmls.edu Should part-time band directors be called semi-conductors? Quidquid latine dictum sit, profundum viditur. ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 20:59:46 +0200 From: Anders.Carlsson@gfs.gu.se (Anders Carlsson) To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Producers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I just watched a TV special from the recording of the broadway show the Producers. How does these things work? Was it the orchestra that works on the Show? If so, is it automatically so when a recording of such a show is done? Who were the guys playing? (Horns). Maybe Sam or some other of the NY guys can answer some of these questions and maybe some questions have different answers depending on where you live. /Anders Carlsson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:08:30 -0800 From: "James W. Yardley" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: "I'm Getting Cement All Over You" recording Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List, I was rummaging through our Jazz music library at school today, looking for some music to play on some upcoming auditions, and I found an arrangement of "I'm Getting Sentimental Over You" arr. by Tom Matta to be played by Bill Reichenbach on bass trombone. I was wondering if anyone knew of a recording either played by Reichenbach or anyone else. If anyone can help I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks. Take care, James Yardley ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:20:38 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Producers Message-ID: <20020204222038.88696.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Anders Carlsson wrote: > I just watched a TV special from the recording of the > broadway show the > Producers. How does these things work? Was it the > orchestra that works > on the Show? If so, is it automatically so when a > recording of such a > show is done? Who were the guys playing? (Horns). I don't know who the horn players are for the most part - one of the French horns is Jill Bobo, sister of a flutist here in Boston. I think she is playing the show. I know the harpist playing the show pretty well - she's not on that special. I don't remember for sure why, but I think she hadn't started the gig yet when that special was done. Incidentally, because of space limitations in the pit, she and a percussionist play from the 7th floor of the theater building, using a live audio & video feed. What a gig! She doesn't have to change her clothes, walks to work from her apartment just outside Times Square, and has almost limitless time off to do more musically interesting things. Where do I sign up? If only we could get some long-running shows in Boston, Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:24:34 EST From: Dansatt@aol.com To: Anders.Carlsson@gfs.gu.se, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Producers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c6.5ff3da7.29906422_boundary" For the most part, the orchestra you saw on the TV special are the same regular orchestra members for the show. However, they usually hire more strings for a recording than would fit in the pit. ÊI noticed that the lead trumpet on the recording was Tony Kadleck, while Dave Rogers is the regular lead trumpet for the show. ÊThe harpist was also different. Maybe they had scheduling conflicts. Trombone players are Dan Levine (of "The Daily Show" fame) playing a small Minick or Williams horn, Tim Sessions playing a Bach 42, and Chris Olness playing a Bach 50 with Thayer valves. ÊMost Broadway shows are recorded, but they usually wait to see that the show will run for a while before putting money into a recording that might not sell. ÊThis was a moot point for "The Producers", because they had the largest advance ticket sales in Broadway history. ÊIt's a really great show, both to play and to see. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:40:00 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Mouthpiece info Message-ID: <20020204224000.90215.qmail@web10306.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jerry Blomberg wrote: > How many of you are using the Jeff Reynolds-L bass > mouthpiece? Count me as 1. I know another not on the list here in Boston. > Can anyone > tell me what Bach piece it is comparable to? I know it > was designed like > the Minnick-L (what ever that means) but do you have any > numbers? The Minick-L was based on the 1-1/4G. The Reynolds-L is larger, closer to a 1G. Compared to the 1G, the inner diameter of the rim is comparable but the surface is wider, the cup is a little smaller, and the throat & backbore are quite a bit smaller, providing much more focus and pitch center than the 1G. If you compare to Schilke mouthpieces, it's somewhere between a 59 and 60, probably a little closer to the 59. To me, it > feels very comfortable with the wide rounded rim, Me too...before the JR-L I played on a Doug Elliot 112 wide rim for years. The JR-L is just a hair larger in the inner diameter than that - it was a small enough difference that there was very little adjustment time for me. much > more so than the > Conn(UMI) George Roberts piece that I have. The GR is > also much lighter > even though it has a 1 1/4H cup. Any thoughts? Yes - for my taste, the blank Larry Minick came up with for these bass trombone mouthpieces is just right - not too light, not too heavy, with the mass well distributed around the shape of the cup. Too many bass trombone mouthpieces are just tenor mouthpieces with more cut away inside, leaving them much lighter than tenor mouthpieces and with some spots that are really thin. Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 15:48:08 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Mariah Carey Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020204154741.00a9fb40@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:22 PM 2/3/2002 -0800, Joe L. Norcross wrote: He got us all!. Fine job Boston Pops, Maria Carey can not sing the banner I suspect she CAN, she just DIDN'T. Earl ********************************************************* Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:needhame@yucca.net Clovis, New Mexico KD5XB-2>APU24L,WA5IHL-11,K5BEN-15,WA5IHL-7,W5SF-1,K5CQH-15,WB5EKP-1*,TRACE7- 1:=3425.84N/10313.56W-[DM84] Pet peeve #1: You look at a "SITE" with your "SIGHT". Pet peeve #2: "Congratulations" does NOT have a "d" in it. Old pet peeve: People who get themselves on a mailing list and then can't figure out how to get OFF the list, then repeatedly sending "unsubscribe" or "remove" as one-word messages to the list. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 15:53:44 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Producers Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020204155325.00a9fb40@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:20 PM 2/4/2002 -0800, Gabriel Langfur wrote: I don't know who the horn players are for the most part - one of the French horns is Jill Bobo, sister of a flutist here in Boston. Just curious, you understand, but is she a relative of Roger? Earl ********************************************************* Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:needhame@yucca.net Clovis, New Mexico KD5XB-2>APU24L,WA5IHL-11,K5BEN-15,WA5IHL-7,W5SF-1,K5CQH-15,WB5EKP-1*,TRACE7- 1:=3425.84N/10313.56W-[DM84] Pet peeve #1: You look at a "SITE" with your "SIGHT". Pet peeve #2: "Congratulations" does NOT have a "d" in it. Old pet peeve: People who get themselves on a mailing list and then can't figure out how to get OFF the list, then repeatedly sending "unsubscribe" or "remove" as one-word messages to the list. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:13:20 -0800 From: "Jerry Blomberg" To: "trombone list" Subject: Re: Mouthpiece info Message-ID: <001101c1add1$8a16ba80$4af6d03f@cubs> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Gabe -- Does the weight of the mouthpiece blank affect the tone, or is there really a problem with a lighter mouthpiece? Jerry Blomberg jerrzo@netzero.net <>< ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabriel Langfur" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 2:40 PM Subject: Re: Mouthpiece info > --- Jerry Blomberg wrote: > > How many of you are using the Jeff Reynolds-L bass > > mouthpiece? > > Count me as 1. I know another not on the list here in > Boston. > > > Can anyone > > tell me what Bach piece it is comparable to? I know it > > was designed like > > the Minnick-L (what ever that means) but do you have any > > numbers? > > The Minick-L was based on the 1-1/4G. The Reynolds-L is > larger, closer to a 1G. Compared to the 1G, the inner > diameter of the rim is comparable but the surface is wider, > the cup is a little smaller, and the throat & backbore are > quite a bit smaller, providing much more focus and pitch > center than the 1G. If you compare to Schilke mouthpieces, > it's somewhere between a 59 and 60, probably a little > closer to the 59. > > To me, it > > feels very comfortable with the wide rounded rim, > > Me too...before the JR-L I played on a Doug Elliot 112 wide > rim for years. The JR-L is just a hair larger in the inner > diameter than that - it was a small enough difference that > there was very little adjustment time for me. > > much > > more so than the > > Conn(UMI) George Roberts piece that I have. The GR is > > also much lighter > > even though it has a 1 1/4H cup. Any thoughts? > > Yes - for my taste, the blank Larry Minick came up with for > these bass trombone mouthpieces is just right - not too > light, not too heavy, with the mass well distributed around > the shape of the cup. Too many bass trombone mouthpieces > are just tenor mouthpieces with more cut away inside, > leaving them much lighter than tenor mouthpieces and with > some spots that are really thin. > > Gabe > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com > ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:57:27 -0600 From: "Shaun Hillen" To: Subject: Buddy Rich's version of "Wave" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know if it's possible to get Buddy Rich's version of Jobim's tune "Wave". It's off of his album "Stick It". Were the parts ever available? Are they out of print? Mandatory trombone content: It features a bass trombone soloist as well as the bone section. On the recording Bill Reichenbach is the soloist par excellance. --Shaun ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 18:37:58 EST From: TboneGib@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Cement all over Message-ID: <147.8f6049a.29907556@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Matta is on faculty at DePaul University in Chicago. His BUSINESS email (I'm not going there:-) is: thomasmatta@earthlink.net (thomasmatta@earthlink.net) Tom is a wonderful person,player, and arranger. One of the best, actually. Contact him for more info and tell him his old buddy says "HEY....why don't you return calls?" Tom Gibson Brass Dept. Coordinator Georgia State University TboneGib@aol.com (404) 651-1740 trombonelessons.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 16:40:52 -0700 From: Richard Parmer To: Subject: Re: Trombone stands Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit List et al. . . I have been reading the comments on trombone stands for awhile now. Something I have done is make trombone stands from old music stands, mostly those where the desk has been damaged beyond use. Chair leg protector, plumbers helper, round piece of plywood to support plumbers helper, small hose clamp and an old sock. All of my trombone players in band now have a stand for the cost of $3.50. Plus I do not have the old music stands hanging around the band room. The stands are a little tall and look funny, but talk about a secure base. Mail me off list if you want more specific instructions. Parmer ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 00:52:59 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Mouthpiece info Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Does the weight of the mouthpiece blank affect the tone, or is there really a problem with a lighter mouthpiece? Jerry, Let me unload that question that you asked, a bit. Yes the weight of a mouthpiece makes a big difference, both in the tone and in the attack. And you can try this for yourself. Go to a music store and try a regular Bach mouthpiece and itâs Mega-Tone equivalent. Youâll see that the heavier mouthpiece has a faster attack and focuses better. But then you ask ãis there really a problem with a lighter mouthpiece?ä I used to think so. I added weights to all the mouthpieces that I used. But then the tone I was getting started to bother me·REALLY BOTHER ME. It was too bossy, too pushy. Fortunately, I figured out that the problem was the weights I had added and I took them all off. But then again, your mileage may vary. Iâm a little guy, but Iâve got oboe-playerâs lungs. The only problem Iâve got with attacks is problems taming them down. At any rate, I prefer the lighter mouthpieces. They still attack well enough for me to doodle-tongue and theyâve got a bit more of a ãbig-bore attackä, if there is such a thing. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 00:56:14 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: King 607F vs. King 608F Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Yâall, Iâve got a King 607F and Iâve always wondered what the difference is between it and the King 608F. I believe that theyâve got the same published specs and they look the same. Could it be that they got the attachment to sound a bit more easily in the 608F? DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 20:37:23 -0500 From: "Bob Byers" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Thanks Doug Message-ID: <001b01c1ade5$a8da4f40$0100a8c0@dell4100> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just want to put my $0.02 in and thank Doug for spending the time to create that great Super Bowl diary! My fater-in-law and I - both Pats fans - read every word with great envy! Thanks Doug, -Bob B (son-in-law) and Bob H (pop-in-law) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 20:33:01 -0500 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: King 607F vs. King 608F Message-ID: <3C5F364D.2CE13B22@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Daniel Pliskin wrote: > Yâall, > > Iâve got a King 607F and Iâve always wondered what the difference is between > it and the King 608F. I believe that theyâve got the same published specs > and they look the same. According to the price list, the 608F has a Gold Brass bell. Eric ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 20:35:57 -0600 From: "Jon Moeller" To: "'Trombones and related issues forum.'" Subject: having trouble in upper register Message-ID: <000001c1aded$d90d0c90$9401a8c0@Jon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whenever I get past Bb (4 ledger lines) I start to bite my bottom lip to play higher, and I know I shouldn't be doing this, but I can't seem to stop doing it, and I can't get enough air coming out of my mouth to pull off the high notes. Is there a remedy to this, or should I just stop playing up high? Also, on a side note, I am looking to become a professional trombone player someday, hopefully in a prominent orchestra. Are there any steps you people have taken that you greatly regret? Or any steps you've taken that were good for you would be great too (Yes Doug, I've read your entire website). ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 21:39:22 -0600 From: "Jon Moeller" To: "'Trombones and related issues forum.'" Subject: RE: having trouble in upper register (what my playing looks like) Message-ID: <000001c1adf6$b3f3bd60$9401a8c0@Jon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Me playing an in-the-staff F: http://home.attbi.com/~mole2k4/playingF.jpg My mouth after doing it: http://home.attbi.com/~mole2k4/F.jpg Me playing double F http://home.attbi.com/~mole2k4/dubbleF.jpg My mouth after playing it: http://home.attbi.com/~mole2k4/dubbleF2.jpg My mouth after playing it with the upper lip pulled up: http://home.attbi.com/~mole2k4/dubbleF3.jpg I know this isn't right, since I can get hardly any air through there -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of Jon Moeller Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 8:36 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: having trouble in upper register Whenever I get past Bb (4 ledger lines) I start to bite my bottom lip to play higher, and I know I shouldn't be doing this, but I can't seem to stop doing it, and I can't get enough air coming out of my mouth to pull off the high notes. Is there a remedy to this, or should I just stop playing up high? Also, on a side note, I am looking to become a professional trombone player someday, hopefully in a prominent orchestra. Are there any steps you people have taken that you greatly regret? Or any steps you've taken that were good for you would be great too (Yes Doug, I've read your entire website). ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 23:39:25 -0500 From: "Aaron Roth" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Finale Graphics/Hidas Concerti Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed This one's for you Finale buffs: Have any of you tried designing a graphics "template" that could be superimposed on the 5-line staff and used to carry squiggly-lines or other things that can't be customized through Finale itself? I'm having a great deal of trouble with this (since my scores tend to include a great deal of modern notation) and have suggested to Coda Music the usefulness of allowing for the import of .gif files (or any graphics format that supports transparency). Of course, I have no idea how hard that would be to realize in the program. Trombone: This past weekend we held a youngsters' trombone workshop, and I think I had the horn at/near my face for seven hours...a bit more than I'm used to these days, although I don't seem to be suffering too badly from the strain of that Saturday. The next day, I played the sola trombone part in the Hidas Piano Concerto #2, premiered Sunday, Feb. 3, 2002. His latest music (I've helped premiere both this and his second Oboe Concerto) has taken a turn towards a fusion of authentic romantic-period and modern pop/commercial, characteristic of a growing trend in composers today. Incidentally, both of the concerti in which I played included only one trombone part, and that part was playable on bass trombone given the rather low range involved and the sound in mind; the one part balanced nicely with the rest of the chamber orchestra in both cases. -Aaron Roth _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 23:50:54 -0500 From: "Denver D. Seifried" To: "Trombone - List" Subject: Re: Buddy Rich's version of Wave Message-ID: <005a01c1ae00$b259b0e0$34735acf@dseifried> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Shaun, Yes, the original version is published, as we have it in the DJO library. I don't have my library right in front of me; however, I believe it is published by Kendor Music and should be available from large distributors like Hickey's, on the web at www.hickeys.com or Stanton's Sheet Music in Columbus, OH. It is really a wonderful arrangement to play. I prefer taking Bill's notes from the record, and alter the bass trombone part that comes with the arrangement. It is close to Bill's, but Bill's is much tastier! Denny Seifried Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Symphony & Dayton Jazz Orchestra Adjunct Trombone-Wittenberg Univ. Dept. of Music ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 21:10:16 -0800 From: "Steve LaRue" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Buddy Rich's version of "Wave" Message-ID: <005301c1ae03$66ec9480$e12a9242@endxokep> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The chart is available from Otter Distributers www.otterdist.com. Published by Sierra Music.Number 182 according to the catalogue. Cost $47. Hope this helps, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Shaun Hillen To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 3:57 PM Subject: Buddy Rich's version of "Wave" > Does anyone know if it's possible to get Buddy Rich's version of Jobim's > tune "Wave". It's off of his album "Stick It". Were the parts ever > available? Are they out of print? Mandatory trombone content: It features > a bass trombone soloist as well as the bone section. On the recording Bill > Reichenbach is the soloist par excellance. > --Shaun > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 23:27:12 -0600 From: "Richard Johnson" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Doug Yeo Message-ID: <004f01c1ae05$c3de9ba0$beaaabac@zemry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have to respectfully disagree with one of your statements. I thought that Mariah Carey did a fine job on the SSB! **************************************************************************** ** Richard Zemry Johnson, Jr. "The Untouchables" Jazz Ensemble Shreveport Metropolitan Concert Band ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, , "There won't come a time when you won't have to practice anymore." J. J. Johnson **************************************************************************** ***** I'm not satisfied with anything about my playing. I know what I want. I can hear it; but it will take time and study to get it" -Sonny Rollins (1956) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe L. Norcross" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 9:22 PM Subject: Doug Yeo > He got us all!. Fine job Boston Pops, Maria Carey can not sing the banner > and the Patriots won > > Joe L. Norcross > Tuba: Visalia CA Sequoia Winds > Bass Trombone: Clovis CA Community Band > Tuba and Announcer: Kingsburg CA City Band > joetuba@lightspeed.net > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 00:37:29 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Breath attacks now it's stupid mute tricks Message-ID: <001901c1ae24$eee1b6b0$ed8168d5@homedmpbgvaomg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: > OK..I've got a question about mutes...I always seem to get a call for a > plunger mute when playing a "trigger" note, that is a note below the > staff. How do you do both? Take off you shoe and sock. Hold the plunger with your foot. And I'm not kiddin' this time. I actually did this once on rehearsal to point out to the arranger how impractical his mute instruction was. Adrian ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 05:27:14 -0600 From: "Charles Levine" To: "tlist" Subject: practice mute warning Message-ID: <000801c1ae38$117a3db0$99b01ad1@D7493111> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1AE05.C51A01D0" When I warned of use of practice mutes. The word should have been OVERUSE. Sometimes i(hotel rooms etc.) it is mandatory. But.............avoid overuse. It really can (and will) mess up your embouchure. There are some practice mutes that will offer less resistance than others (but not as sound restrctive). If possible, use the one with the LEAST resistance charlie. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 06:22:40 -0600 From: "Dean McCarty" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Buddy Rich's version of "Wave" Message-ID: <001d01c1ae3f$cf303420$560960cc@compaqcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes it is available through Sierra publications... great arrangement! Dean McCarty freelance trombonist, Houston area ----- Original Message ----- From: Shaun Hillen To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 5:57 PM Subject: Buddy Rich's version of "Wave" > Does anyone know if it's possible to get Buddy Rich's version of Jobim's > tune "Wave". It's off of his album "Stick It". Were the parts ever > available? Are they out of print? Mandatory trombone content: It features > a bass trombone soloist as well as the bone section. On the recording Bill > Reichenbach is the soloist par excellance. > --Shaun > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 06:44:19 -0600 From: "Richard Johnson" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Lincoln Center Jazz Orchestra trombone section Message-ID: <002901c1ae42$d58321e0$8efb5141@zemry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had the pleasure Friday night of going to see the Lincoln Center Jazz Orchestra. Since Mansfield, Louisiana was not one of their stops, I had to travel to Tyler, Texas, about 2 hours away, to see them. The concert was sold out at least two weeks prevfiously and I was on a waiting list to get tickets. I didn't know that I was going until about 3:30 in the afternoon and the concert started at 7:30. Luckily, I had taked off from work early that day. The concert was great. The band, although not overpowerfully loud, played with great dynamics. The trombone section blended together beautifully. None of the trombone players played with the same type horn. One played a King 4B, another played a Bach Signet. I had never seen one before. Does anyone know anything about them? I forget what brand of trombopne the third member, Ron Westray played. I got a chance to meet them all back stage. Wynton Marsalis and the entire band were very polite and courteous. They took time to sign numerous autographs and take pictures with anyone who came backstage. There were no security guards preventing you from talking to the band. A friend and I talked to the trombone section members for at least 10-15 minutes. All in all, a great experience! **************************************************************************** ** Richard Zemry Johnson, Jr. "The Untouchables" Jazz Ensemble Shreveport Metropolitan Concert Band ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, , "There won't come a time when you won't have to practice anymore." J. J. Johnson **************************************************************************** ***** I'm not satisfied with anything about my playing. I know what I want. I can hear it; but it will take time and study to get it" -Sonny Rollins (1956) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 07:45:43 -0600 From: Listmonitor Trombone-L To: Trombone-L Subject: Posting Messages Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" If you are trying to post a message to the trombone-l and you do not see it appear within a reasonable amount of time (and reasonable being within 8 hours: it may sometimes seem instantaneous, but e-mail can take extended periods to be processed), there are three primary causes: 1. Check the address to which you sent the message. Messages to be sent to the trombone-l must be sent to the address of trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu. Sending to any other address will result in your message not being posted. 2. The list is set to automatically reply to sender, rather than to the entire list. If you reply to a post, it will be sent only to the original poster, not the entire list unless you change the address. 3. There are times when the listprocessor will reject posts because they match a set of predetermined criteria. The most common issue is that the post is the same length as a previous post, with length being defined as the same number of lines of text. The listprocessor does not analyze content, only construction, so this happens frequently. LM -- --------------------------------------- trombone-l digest archives and useful trombone-l information are available at http://www.trombone.org/trombone-l ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 08:56:32 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Super Bowl (was: Doug Yeo) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I'm back, and what a weekend it was. It's a rare event, but I think I've run out of words to describe the experience. I've updated my diary for the last time (apart from adding some more photos when they are developed later in the week). Tomorrow I will reformat it to read in chronological order. We in Boston are enjoying this so much. Our seats at the game were fabulous, and when the winning field goal was kicked, it came right to us. The Patriot's section was pure pandemonium. I have no voice left - but it was all worth it. The game was very exciting, and interesting as well, surely one of the most interesting Super Bowl games ever. Of course we in Boston think so! The odds at the beginning of the season against the Patriots winning the Super Bowl were 10,000 - 1. You never know what will happen. And the New England Patriots are now 6-0 when BSO/Boston Pops players perform the National Anthem at Patriots games. Here's hoping we can keep that roll going! I appreciate all the email messages so many of you have sent to me. We have a nice community here on the list, and I appreciate being part of it. Things will need to settle down a little this week, we're playing Brahms 4 with the BSO. But, we're still on cloud 9 here in Boston.... -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 09:20:15 EST From: Atlbrvsnt@aol.com To: Subject: Re: Breath attacks now it's stupid mute tricks Message-ID: <9c.1a861b98.29914420@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, it has worked for me before to position my horn so that I can use the F-attachment with my shoulder (on the back part of the linkage) while playing with plunger. Probably depends on the horn you're playing and the agility of your shoulder... -Tommy In a message dated Tue, 5 Feb 2002 4:11:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Adrian Drover" writes: > > From: > > > > OK..I've got a question about mutes...I always seem to get a call for a > > plunger mute when playing a "trigger" note, that is a note below the > > staff. How do you do both? > > Take off you shoe and sock. Hold the plunger with your foot. > And I'm not kiddin' this time. I actually did this once on rehearsal to > point out to the arranger how impractical his mute instruction was. > > Adrian ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 08:32:46 -0600 From: Barry Green To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Message-ID: <3941593E-1A45-11D6-95E2-0003934114D8@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, Bob McChesney if you're out there could you send me your email address, I wondered if you got the cd I sent you. Thanks, Barry Green ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 07:07:12 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Producers Message-ID: <20020205150712.54952.qmail@web10304.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Earl Needham wrote: > At 02:20 PM 2/4/2002 -0800, Gabriel Langfur wrote: > >I don't know who the horn players are for the most part > - > >one of the French horns is Jill Bobo, sister of a > flutist > >here in Boston. > > Just curious, you understand, but is she a > relative of Roger? > No...not as far as they know. Gabe > Earl > > > ********************************************************* > Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:needhame@yucca.net > Clovis, New Mexico > KD5XB-2>APU24L,WA5IHL-11,K5BEN-15,WA5IHL-7,W5SF-1,K5CQH-15,WB5EKP-1*,TRACE7- > > 1:=3425.84N/10313.56W-[DM84] > Pet peeve #1: You look at a "SITE" with your "SIGHT". > Pet peeve #2: "Congratulations" does NOT have a "d" in > it. > Old pet peeve: People who get themselves on a mailing > list and then can't > figure out how to get OFF the list, then repeatedly > sending "unsubscribe" > or "remove" as one-word messages to the list. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 10:36:27 -0500 From: David Buckley To: Trombone-L Subject: Peter Collins Message-ID: <3C5FFBFB.FD9F5FD9@sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry to put this on the list but I have lost both your mailing and email addresses Pete. Please send them on. Thanks. Dave. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 10:05:30 -0600 From: "Shaun Hillen" To: Subject: Re: Wave Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to all that gave me info about Buddy Rich's "Wave". I'm sure I'll have no trouble finding it. --Shaun ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:20:21 -0500 From: sabutin To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: More on Sam Burtis from NYC to Indianapolis + back, Feb.6-Feb.??? Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi all... My partial schedule there in the Indianapolis area... Thurs.+ Friday, 2/ +2/8... various teaching things,,,room for more... Sat., 2/9-Madame Walker Auditorium, w/Bobby Shew...8PM Sun, 2/10-Indianapolis Historical society w/Brent Wallarab/Mark Buselli band, playing the music of Duke Ellington and Gil Evans (Can't beat THAT combination!!!) 7-9PM Tues., 2/12 Jazz Kitchen w/Brent Wallarab's other band, playing music from the swing era. Some time in there I think I'll be in Bloomington as well, either giving individual lessons or a masterclass/clinic of some sort, probably not through the university but organized privately. Hope to see some of you... Sam ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 08:47:35 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Mouthpiece info Message-ID: <20020205164735.5461.qmail@web10302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jerry Blomberg wrote: > Thanks, Gabe -- > > Does the weight of the mouthpiece blank affect the tone, > or is there really > a problem with a lighter mouthpiece? > Oh boy - big subject. I don't have the time or the real knowledge to go into it in much detail, but the overall mass of the mouthpiece certainly affects the tone and playing characteristics in many ways. I tend to think that WHERE that mass is also makes a difference... If you want to do an experiment, go to a well-stocked music store, preferably with a friend whose ear you trust, and play a standard Bach 1-1/4GM back to back with a Bach Megatone 1-1/4G (or the corresponding 1-1/2s). If I understand correctly, all the inside dimensions will be the same for these two mouthpieces (I think Bach puts the larger M throat in the Megatone mouthpieces - someone please correct me if I'm wrong). The only difference is the blanks they are made from. You will probably notice differences in the articulations and the dynamic curve - by that, I mean the way the tone color changes at different dynamics. You might notice other things as well. What you prefer will depend on you - I like for the mass of the mouthpiece to be in between those two extremes. I could make generalizations about the more specific playing characteristics of lighter vs. heavier mouthpieces, but I'm not sure how useful they would be, because they vary for different players. Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:07:08 -0600 From: "Kevin Saunders" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Mouthpiece info Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have to throw this in-the mass is important, but WHERE the mass is - this is even more important. Gary Greenhoe and I are working on a little mouthpiece project that will prove this out. Some prototypes are out being tested now, and I think you will be surprised at 1) how much or little mass is really necessary and 2) where the mass needs to be. I will leave the rest to Gary to explain, and to anyone with a Greenhoe mouthpiece prototype who wants to chime in. :) Best regards, Kevin Saunders -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Gabriel Langfur Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:48 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Mouthpiece info --- Jerry Blomberg wrote: > Thanks, Gabe -- > > Does the weight of the mouthpiece blank affect the tone, > or is there really > a problem with a lighter mouthpiece? > Oh boy - big subject. I don't have the time or the real knowledge to go into it in much detail, but the overall mass of the mouthpiece certainly affects the tone and playing characteristics in many ways. I tend to think that WHERE that mass is also makes a difference... If you want to do an experiment, go to a well-stocked music store, preferably with a friend whose ear you trust, and play a standard Bach 1-1/4GM back to back with a Bach Megatone 1-1/4G (or the corresponding 1-1/2s). If I understand correctly, all the inside dimensions will be the same for these two mouthpieces (I think Bach puts the larger M throat in the Megatone mouthpieces - someone please correct me if I'm wrong). The only difference is the blanks they are made from. You will probably notice differences in the articulations and the dynamic curve - by that, I mean the way the tone color changes at different dynamics. You might notice other things as well. What you prefer will depend on you - I like for the mass of the mouthpiece to be in between those two extremes. I could make generalizations about the more specific playing characteristics of lighter vs. heavier mouthpieces, but I'm not sure how useful they would be, because they vary for different players. Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2291--