TROMBONE-L Digest 2290 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) was: Breath attacks now it's stupid mute tricks by "Steve Beck" 2) Almost made it... by Earl Needham 3) Re: Physical size as related to big sound by Earl Needham 4) Re: Breath attacks now it's stupid mute tricks by "Gary D. Maxwell" 5) Re: Almost made it... by "Gary D. Maxwell" 6) Hamilton Trombone Stand Parts by Bruce Guttman 7) Re: Almost made it... by Earl Needham 8) Re: Breath attacks now it's stupid mute tricks by Craig Parmerlee 9) Bach or Martin parts? by Gabriel Langfur 10) Sam Burtis from NYC to Indianapolis + back, Feb.6-Feb.??? by sabutin 11) RE: Hamilton Trombone Stand Parts by Stan Brager 12) Re: Bass Trombone opening in Calgary (long) by Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur 13) Doug Yeo by "Joe L. Norcross" 14) Re: [TL]Re: Breath attacks now it's stupid mute tricks by Galen Zinn 15) Re: Hamilton Trombone Stand Parts by "Daniel Pliskin" 16) Re: [TL]Re: Breath attacks now it's stupid mute tricks by Peter Soukup 17) Doug Yeo by "Joe L. Norcross" 18) Re: Four Freshman w/Brass Pete Rugolo by David Burch 19) Re: Doug Yeo by Larry White 20) Marcus Bonna bag by Peter Ellefson 21) Help by Peter Ellefson 22) Re: Bass Trombone opening in Calgary (long) by "Adrian Drover" 23) practice mute warning by "Charles Levine" 24) OTJ Classifieds Update - 02/04/2002 by Chris Waage 25) Re: practice mute warning by Matmutt@aol.com 26) Re: [TL]Marcus Bonna bag by Galen Zinn 27) Re: practice mute warning by David Buckley 28) Re: practice mute warning by Chris Waage 29) Re: Doug Yeo by "Brian Frederiksen" 30) RE: Breath attacks now it's stupid mute tricks by "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> 31) Beantown Bones to the SuperBowl (fwd) by Mearl Danner 32) To Doug Yeo by REOnofreyJ@aol.com 33) RE: To Doug Yeo by "Tom G Tyson" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 13:04:28 -0500 From: "Steve Beck" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: was: Breath attacks now it's stupid mute tricks Message-ID: <005e01c1acdd$3a59d440$02330923@cl.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Craig Parmerlee" For example, a "wah" attack can be done to sound almost like a plunger. I have had to use this tactic when playing something obviously arranged by a trumpet player. Plunger technique is tough enough on a trombone without having to make ridiculous mute changes without any rests. I'm going to invent a flexible stand that truly lets me play the trombone one handed. Then I can make all the crazy mute changes like the trumpet players can. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290 Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 11:42:23 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Almost made it... Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020203114126.00a9fa88@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:28 PM 1/22/2002 -0700, Earl Needham wrote: At 11:12 PM 1/21/2002 -0800, Paul Hill wrote: Hi Earl, Yes...Coronado/North Island is where you want to be (so do I in the middle of winter!) Thanks, Paul, for the directions. Unfortunately, the last couple of days, there seems to be a problem brewing and I may not be able to go. Yet. I almost made it, in fact, I put 1100+ miles on my car yesterday trying. Unfortunately, when I got to Tucson, there was voice mail waiting for my Sprint PCS phone that said "come home"... Gee... Earl ********************************************************* Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:needhame@yucca.net Clovis, New Mexico KD5XB-2>APU24L,WA5IHL-11,K5BEN-15,WA5IHL-7,W5SF-1,K5CQH-15,WB5EKP-1*,TRACE7- 1:=3425.84N/10313.56W-[DM84] Pet peeve #1: You look at a "SITE" with your "SIGHT". Pet peeve #2: "Congratulations" does NOT have a "d" in it. Old pet peeve: People who get themselves on a mailing list and then can't figure out how to get OFF the list, then repeatedly sending "unsubscribe" or "remove" as one-word messages to the list. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290 Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 11:54:08 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Physical size as related to big sound Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020203115306.00a9fa88@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:58 PM 2/2/2002 -0500, Craig Parmerlee wrote: One of the less discussed elements of the long tone regimen is the breath attack. To me, it is the very most important part of the long tone exercise. The breath attack forces you to begin the note with a very pliable embouchure. If you have to start notes with a hard tongue, it is bound to take more air. If the embouchure can be trained to vibrate as soon as you pass air across it, you will use less air when starting notes. Breath attacks are difficult, so I suspect people often leave out this element of the long tone practice. So 200 breath attacks a day (long tones or short tones, I don't care). For extra practice, you can sneak in a lot of breath attacks when you are rehearsing in ensembles. Sounds similar to Mr. Burtis' 3-note exercise, which I believe he says he got from Mr. Caruso? Earl ********************************************************* Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:needhame@yucca.net Clovis, New Mexico KD5XB-2>APU24L,WA5IHL-11,K5BEN-15,WA5IHL-7,W5SF-1,K5CQH-15,WB5EKP-1*,TRACE7- 1:=3425.84N/10313.56W-[DM84] Pet peeve #1: You look at a "SITE" with your "SIGHT". Pet peeve #2: "Congratulations" does NOT have a "d" in it. Old pet peeve: People who get themselves on a mailing list and then can't figure out how to get OFF the list, then repeatedly sending "unsubscribe" or "remove" as one-word messages to the list. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 10:58:20 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Breath attacks now it's stupid mute tricks Message-ID: <000401c1ace4$c0db4100$93525d3f@garymaxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Steve Beck" > I'm going to invent a flexible stand that truly lets me play the trombone > one handed. Then I can make all the crazy mute changes like the trumpet > players can. ============================================================ Will you then start sounding like them too? BUMMER! Gary Maxwell Bass Trombone Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 11:08:37 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Almost made it... Message-ID: <000e01c1ace6$305029a0$93525d3f@garymaxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Earl Needham" > > I almost made it, in fact, I put 1100+ miles on my car yesterday > trying. Unfortunately, when I got to Tucson, there was voice mail waiting > for my Sprint PCS phone that said "come home"... ========================================================================= There's one PO'd exserviceman! But then, Earl has been through a few snafus in his day. Right Earl? It was a great attempt though. One of these days you'll make it and George will still be "poppin'" those good ones. (:>)) All the best Earl. Gary Maxwell ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 14:11:05 -0500 From: Bruce Guttman To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Hamilton Trombone Stand Parts Message-ID: <200202031411_MC3-F081-8925@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message text written by INTERNET:chris@trombone.org >Does anyone know where to order replacement parts for Hamilton trombone stands? I just picked up a stand base, and it's missing the black plastic part that supports the bell and the rubber stop that covers the top of the tube.< You can replace the dome that supports the trombone with an old plunger with the center part (inside the stick hole) drilled out. I supported the plunger with a plate designed for a GEM box that has a hole drilled in it. Btw, the plunger fits my bass trombone better than the old dome did. In place of the rubber bumper, you can use a cane tip (at your local pharmacy). I think the 1/2" size fits best. Hope this helps. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290 Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 12:20:14 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Almost made it... Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020203121744.00ac4e48@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:08 AM 2/3/2002 -0800, Gary D. Maxwell wrote: From: "Earl Needham" > > I almost made it, in fact, I put 1100+ miles on my car yesterday > trying. Unfortunately, when I got to Tucson, there was voice mail waiting > for my Sprint PCS phone that said "come home"... ========================================================================= There's one PO'd exserviceman! But then, Earl has been through a few snafus in his day. Right Earl? Gee, you don't know just the half of it! In fact, working on airplanes was one of them, and I stuck with that for 16+ years. I dropped out of college to join the Marine Corps, not actually knowing anything about the Marines. Only after I had been to tech school did I discover that there were bands OTHER than the DC band! So, I scheduled an audition, did fairly well on it, the band wanted me, and guess what? Since I had already been to tech school, I was stuck working on airplanes from 1977 until 1999. WOW! What a LONG SNAFU! It was a great attempt though. One of these days you'll make it and George will still be "poppin'" those good ones. (:>)) Yep, in fact, I've emailed him already to let him know I'll try again! Earl ********************************************************* Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:needhame@yucca.net Clovis, New Mexico KD5XB-2>APU24L,WA5IHL-11,K5BEN-15,WA5IHL-7,W5SF-1,K5CQH-15,WB5EKP-1*,TRACE7- 1:=3425.84N/10313.56W-[DM84] Pet peeve #1: You look at a "SITE" with your "SIGHT". Pet peeve #2: "Congratulations" does NOT have a "d" in it. Old pet peeve: People who get themselves on a mailing list and then can't figure out how to get OFF the list, then repeatedly sending "unsubscribe" or "remove" as one-word messages to the list. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290 Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 14:27:27 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Breath attacks now it's stupid mute tricks Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020203142508.01e91d98@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed There is a thing called an "ergobone" which is a little monopod and ball socket that attached to the gooseneck near the receiver, or maybe the fixed portion of the slide hand brace. You can extend the monopod to rest on your chair, or the fellow also provides this little "feed bag" think that drapes around your neck. That might be just the trick for one handed mute changes. There is a web page, but I sure can't find it. At 10:58 AM 2/3/2002 -0800, Gary D. Maxwell wrote: From: "Steve Beck" > I'm going to invent a flexible stand that truly lets me play the trombone > one handed. Then I can make all the crazy mute changes like the trumpet > players can. ============================================================ Will you then start sounding like them too? BUMMER! Gary Maxwell Bass Trombone Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 11:53:44 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Bach or Martin parts? Message-ID: <20020203195344.16292.qmail@web10302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have a friend looking to wed a Bach valve trombone section to a Martin Urbie Green model bell. His best option is probably to convert his Martin bell and slide to Bach connections, but he's been quoted high prices on the Bach parts, as well as a couple of hours worth of labor. Does anyone have an unsalvagable small-bore Bach with salvagable slide reciever parts? The bell that came with it is a 16, but I think a 12, 36 or maybe even 8 would work. Alternatively, he could change the reciever on the Bach valve section - does anyone have a Martin slide that's beyond repair? Or, finally, does anyone have a Martin valve trombone they would like to sell or maybe trade? Please email me privately & I can put you in touch with my friend. Thanks all, Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:19:20 -0500 From: sabutin To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Sam Burtis from NYC to Indianapolis + back, Feb.6-Feb.??? Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi all... I get so many emails asking me when and where I'm going to be that I can't really keep track of them, so...I usually post my forays outside of NYC on the trombone list and the OTJ Forum. I will be appearing in Indianapolis Sat., Feb. 9 w/Bobby Shew and his latin-jazz group, Feb. 10 w/the Buselli Wallarab Band as a guest soloist. I'm still not sure of the venues + times, but I'll post them when my whole itinerary is straight. I have to be in Indianapolis by Thursday night, Feb. 7 to do a clinic/rehearsal at DePauw University, and being a driving fool (and also to save a buck or two) I am going to drive from NYC and back. This also allows me a certain leeway as far as sidetrips, departure times + days etc. soooo... If anyone on the route from NYC to Indianapolis (or even a few hours OFF that route) wants me to do a clinic or masterclass of some kind, my schedule is pretty fluid so far. I'm planning on driving out that Wednesday afternoon/Thursday morning (Feb. 6/7), driving back on Monday Feb. 11, but I could get out of whatever work I have immediately before and after those days if anyone is interested in putting together a last minute clinic arrangement. Pittsburgh, Columbus, Dayton...even Springfield, IL, I guess. I'm liable to take a run down to Cincinnati to see an old friend as well... Anyone interested, please email me at and we'll see what we can work out. At the very least, I'll have plenty of free time for some private teaching in the Indianapolis/Bloomington area. Later... Sam Burtis ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 13:24:45 -0800 From: Stan Brager To: "'Chris Waage'" , "trombone-l@po.missouri.edu" Subject: RE: Hamilton Trombone Stand Parts Message-ID: <01C1ACB6.26026100.sbrager@socal.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris; A good starting point would be their website at: www.hamiltonstands.com They can point you in the right direction for your area. Stan Stan Brager Trombonist-in-Training -----Original Message----- From: Chris Waage [SMTP:chris@trombone.org] Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 6:01 AM To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Hamilton Trombone Stand Parts Does anyone know where to order replacement parts for Hamilton trombone stands? I just picked up a stand base, and it's missing the black plastic part that supports the bell and the rubber stop that covers the top of the tube. Chris ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290 Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 16:58:53 -0500 From: Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Bass Trombone opening in Calgary (long) Message-ID: <3C5DB29D.886F823D@sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Richard and list, The rules on airguns may be screwy but they're there to protect the other candidates at the audition. Airguns don't win auditions, musicians win auditions... (all done tongue in cheek. Please note the following smiley...;) Peter Collins Bass Trombone Hamilton Philharmonic Orchestra > richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL wrote: > > Also be aware, Canada has some screwy rules on airguns, and if they are one of your hobbies you won't be able to take them with, nor buy most types there. > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 13:41:03 -0800 From: "Joe L. Norcross" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Doug Yeo Message-ID: <009201c1acfb$88c40100$e2e3f7a5@computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As Doug is a the Super Bowl, I just wish him a wonderful time. He is a real credit to this forum and I am sorry that my Rams will beat his Patriots Joe L. Norcross Tuba: Visalia CA Sequoia Winds Bass Trombone: Clovis CA Community Band Tuba and Announcer: Kingsburg CA City Band joetuba@lightspeed.net ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290 Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 14:34:40 -0800 From: Galen Zinn To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: [TL]Re: Breath attacks now it's stupid mute tricks Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 2/3/02 11:27 AM, Craig Parmerlee blasted this into the cosmos: > There is a thing called an "ergobone" which is a little monopod and ball > socket that attached to the gooseneck near the receiver, or maybe the fixed > portion of the slide hand brace. You can extend the monopod to rest on > your chair, or the fellow also provides this little "feed bag" think that > drapes around your neck. That might be just the trick for one handed mute > changes. There is a web page, but I sure can't find it. > > > > At 10:58 AM 2/3/2002 -0800, Gary D. Maxwell wrote: > >> From: "Steve Beck" >>> I'm going to invent a flexible stand that truly lets me play the trombone >>> one handed. Then I can make all the crazy mute changes like the trumpet >>> players can. >> ============================================================ >> >> Will you then start sounding like them too? BUMMER! >> >> Gary Maxwell >> Bass Trombone >> Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra > Here's your Ergobone site: http://www.ergobone.com/mainpage.html Be careful in ordering one that you measure the diameter of the attachment position on your trombone accurately. The Ergobone was not big enough to fit a Shires bass trombone at 22 mm. Galen Zinn E-mail: zinger@musician.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 02:21:39 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Hamilton Trombone Stand Parts Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Does anyone know where to order replacement parts for Hamilton trombone stands? I just picked up a stand base, and it's missing the black plastic part that supports the bell and the rubber stop that covers the top of the tube. Chris, Use a plunger (with a hole in the center) and a plastic furniture leg cover; both available in the hardware store. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 21:44:37 -0600 From: Peter Soukup To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: [TL]Re: Breath attacks now it's stupid mute tricks Message-ID: <832E80F4-1921-11D6-A9F8-0003931C85C2@mindspring.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-127339597 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) www.ergobone.com On Sunday, February 3, 2002, at 04:34 PM, Galen Zinn wrote: On 2/3/02 11:27 AM, Craig Parmerlee blasted this into the cosmos: There is a thing called an "ergobone" which is a little monopod and ball socket that attached to the gooseneck near the receiver, or maybe the fixed portion of the slide hand brace. You can extend the monopod to rest on your chair, or the fellow also provides this little "feed bag" think that drapes around your neck. That might be just the trick for one handed mute changes. There is a web page, but I sure can't find it. At 10:58 AM 2/3/2002 -0800, Gary D. Maxwell wrote: From: "Steve Beck" I'm going to invent a flexible stand that truly lets me play the trombone one handed. Then I can make all the crazy mute changes like the trumpet players can. ============================================================ Will you then start sounding like them too? BUMMER! Gary Maxwell Bass Trombone Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra Here's your Ergobone site: http://www.ergobone.com/mainpage.html Be careful in ordering one that you measure the diameter of the attachment position on your trombone accurately. The Ergobone was not big enough to fit a Shires bass trombone at 22 mm. Galen Zinn E-mail: zinger@musician.org Pete Soukup psoukup@mindspring.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 19:22:03 -0800 From: "Joe L. Norcross" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Doug Yeo Message-ID: <011d01c1ad2b$1ef5aaa0$e2e3f7a5@computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit He got us all!. Fine job Boston Pops, Maria Carey can not sing the banner and the Patriots won Joe L. Norcross Tuba: Visalia CA Sequoia Winds Bass Trombone: Clovis CA Community Band Tuba and Announcer: Kingsburg CA City Band joetuba@lightspeed.net ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290 Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 22:48:47 -0500 From: David Burch To: Trombone list Subject: Re: Four Freshman w/Brass Pete Rugolo Message-ID: <3C5E049F.C26702AD@fuse.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On the "Four Freshmen with Fivr Trombones" album -- I don't recall which track -- the Freshmen sneaked Pete Rugolo's name into a string of scat nonsense syllables. A tribute to a friend, I guess. I nearly fell off my seat the first time I noticed it. Dave Burch Hamilton, Ohio ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290 Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 20:02:29 -0800 From: Larry White To: joetuba@lightspeed.net Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Doug Yeo Message-ID: <3C5E07D5.B3B41066@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What was the score of the game? is it over or was I watching a different game. Larry White (All in good fun of course) I thank Doug for his daily diary - and his insight as to what goes on. "Joe L. Norcross" wrote: > As Doug is a the Super Bowl, I just wish him a wonderful time. He is a real > credit to this forum and I am sorry that my Rams will beat his Patriots > > Joe L. Norcross > Tuba: Visalia CA Sequoia Winds > Bass Trombone: Clovis CA Community Band > Tuba and Announcer: Kingsburg CA City Band > joetuba@lightspeed.net ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290 Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 20:26:23 -0800 From: Peter Ellefson To: Subject: Marcus Bonna bag Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I know this has been mentioned on the list before but has anyone purchased or examined the Marcus Bonna leather trombone bag? If so, I'd like your take on it. Thanks. Peter Ellefson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290 Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 20:28:41 -0800 From: Peter Ellefson To: Subject: Help Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have misplaced Pete Norton's email address. If you have it please respond to me PRIVATELY. Thanks, Peter Ellefson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:03:53 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Bass Trombone opening in Calgary (long) Message-ID: <006b01c1ad5a$dedd6e00$3891fc3e@homedmpbgvaomg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur" > The rules on airguns may be screwy but they're there to protect the > other candidates at the audition. > > Airguns don't win auditions, musicians win auditions... > > (all done tongue in cheek. Please note the following smiley...;) Air today. Gun tomorrow. Adrian ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 05:17:55 -0600 From: "Charles Levine" To: "tlist" Subject: practice mute warning Message-ID: <000c01c1ad6d$98a33d80$a8b01ad1@D7493111> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C1AD3B.4D3A8100" With ANY practice mute.......avoid extended playing! It can really mess up your embouchure.Ê charlie ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:20:22 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L , Brass@lists.fsu.edu Subject: OTJ Classifieds Update - 02/04/2002 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" The Online Trombone Journal Classifieds (http://www.trombone.org/classifieds) have been updated as of 7:19 AM on February 4, 2001 with twenty-one new ads. - - - - - Thank you for using the OTJ Classifieds! - - - - - OTJ Instrument Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/instruments.asp OTJ Accessory Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/accessories.asp OTJ Music Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/music.asp OTJ Classifieds Frequently Asked Questions http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/faq.asp To place an ad: http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/adform.asp OTJ Gift Shoppe: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=trombones If you have any questions or comments about the Online Trombone Journal Classifieds, please contact me at chris@trombone.org. Chris -- ________________________________________________ Chris Waage, Associate Webmaster chris@trombone.org http://www.trombone.org - A web site for trombonists ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 08:35:29 EST From: Matmutt@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: practice mute warning Message-ID: <17b.3146da2.298fe821@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_17b.3146da2.298fe821_boundary" In a message dated 2/4/2002 6:19:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, chardy@totcon.com writes: With ANY practice mute.......avoid extended playing! It can really mess up your embouchure.Ê AMEN ! Those sharp edges can cause severe lip lacerations. ( sorry Charlie, I couldn't resist) Larry Priori ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 06:07:11 -0800 From: Galen Zinn To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: [TL]Marcus Bonna bag Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 2/3/02 8:26 PM, Peter Ellefson blasted this into the cosmos: > I know this has been mentioned on the list before but has anyone purchased > or examined the Marcus Bonna leather trombone bag? If so, I'd like your take > on it. Thanks. > > Peter Ellefson It didn't provide enough protection for a Shires bass bone. I felt the construction was rather "slight" to say the least, and I was really repulsed by the "synthetic odor" of the case. As I recall, it was not leather. Perhaps the odor of a leather case would be more acceptable to me. I ordered one just to check it out for space and configuration but sent it back. My 2¢ worth, Galen Zinn E-mail: zinger@musician.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 10:05:14 -0500 From: David Buckley To: chardy@totcon.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: practice mute warning Message-ID: <3C5EA329.5982DB04@sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------182A69E4FC0DB4A7D5FE93CF" Not sure I agree with this. I have to use a practice mute at my cottage and find I can get the same benefit in less time. However it is important to not change what you do to compensate for the increased resistance. I don't much like using it because it is heavy and personally I like to hear real sounds but it certainly is a useful tool when needed. At present I am negotiating a condo purchase and discussing soundproofing with the builder. Hope I won't need to use the practice mute when we get things completed but have not yet been told how much he wants for the soundproofing. He does seem to have a good hand on what is needed. To get back to the original topic, it can mess up your embouchure if you start changing things. You can't worry about sound and tuning when you use one. Dave. Charles Levine wrote: With ANY practice mute.......avoid extended playing! It can really mess up your embouchure.Êcharlie ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:12:30 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: Re: practice mute warning Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" To me, a practice mute is a necessary tool. However, as with any tool, there are some safety tips that make it much more pleasurable to use: 1. Tune it. You may have to just about shove the tuner into the mute, but make sure that you are adjusting the tuning slide to keep the horn at the appropriate pitch. The main cause of embouchure problems, from my experience, is trying to adjust the tuning with your lips rather than the main tuning slide. 2. Balance it. The weight of any practice mute (be it the Wallace mute I use, a Silent Brass, or even just a straight mute with foam rings around it) will throw the instrument out of balance. Find a small weight to hang from the back of the instrument to balance the weight, or your hand and shoulder will be telling you that it's out of balance. The other problem is that you may start compensating by trying to balance the instrument with your right hand - rather detrimental to good slide technique. 3. Plan your Practice Playing Rochut Melodious Etudes with a practice mute isn't the best use of the time. A practice routine of scales, lip slurs and technique studies (from my experience) works the best with a practice mute. Tone? Forget about it - it's not a consideration with a practice mute. However, you can really feel any problems with tonguing and articulations when use use one. Tuning is another area that is difficult with the practice mute, but the upside is that you can pay more attention to the resonant sound "heard" internally in your head. It has definite benefits - if you're buzzing on pitch, the tone is more centered and focused. 4. Don't Use It Find a way to get some practice every day without it. I do a 10 to 20 minute routine in the morning with the mute, and then I spend another 30 to 45 minutes at lunch without the mute. It is a bit like taking a shower wearing a raincoat, but a good practice mute is an excellent investment as it allows you to add practice time to your routine that normally wouldn't be there. Chris Not sure I agree with this. I have to use a practice mute at my cottage and find I can get the same benefit in less time. However it is important to not change what you do to compensate for the increased resistance. I don't much like using it because it is heavy and personally I like to hear real sounds but it certainly is a useful tool when needed. At present I am negotiating a condo purchase and discussing soundproofing with the builder. Hope I won't need to use the practice mute when we get things completed but have not yet been told how much he wants for the soundproofing. He does seem to have a good hand on what is needed. To get back to the original topic, it can mess up your embouchure if you start changing things. You can't worry about sound and tuning when you use one. Dave. Charles Levine wrote: With ANY practice mute.......avoid extended playing! It can really mess up your embouchure. charlie -- ________________________________________________ Chris Waage, Associate Webmaster chris@trombone.org http://www.trombone.org - A web site for trombonists ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:17:00 -0600 From: "Brian Frederiksen" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Doug Yeo Message-ID: <009001c1ad8f$48386ab0$12ccfea9@desk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug We gotta know: Did Maria Carey do a lip-sync job on the banner? Were the seats they gave the Pops on the side of the stage for U2 during halftime? I thought I saw you trippin' out waving your arms and being a rock band groupie during that? OK, the Pats won so did you ever stop partying and just caught the plane? Why didn't Fox do the Lincoln Portrait for halftime instead of U2? Brian Frederiksen WindSong Press PO Box 146 Gurnee, Illinois 60031 USA Phone 847 223-4586 Fax 847 223-4580 brianf@windsongpress.com www.windsongpress.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:33:46 -0600 From: "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> To: "Trombones and related issues forum." , "'becks@pilot.msu.edu'" Subject: RE: Breath attacks now it's stupid mute tricks Message-ID: <47763CCCA27C4F4FA4BEF7DDB754A1E71249E4@marshall.jmls.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Steve Beck threatened: > I'm going to invent a flexible stand that truly lets me play the trombone > one handed. Then I can make all the crazy mute changes like the trumpet > players can. > Don't do that! You'll just encourage arrangers and composers to write even crazier mute changes than they already do. Brass band composers seem to specialize in demanding the mute be put in and taken out in too little time all for the sake of about three notes. ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ David Guion, Cataloging Librarian The John Marshall Law School 315 S. Plymouth Ct. Chicago, IL 60604 Voice: (312) 427-2737 x 552 Fax; (312) 427-8307 8guion@jmls.edu Should part-time band directors be called semi-conductors? Quidquid latine dictum sit, profundum viditur. ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 09:58:50 -0600 From: Mearl Danner To: Trombone Subject: Beantown Bones to the SuperBowl (fwd) Message-ID: <8400799.1012816730@[172.31.2.21]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That makes it 6 for 6. Does this mean that the Boston Pops is the real MVP of the Super Bowl? ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Date: Sunday, January 27, 2002 5:05 PM -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Beantown Bones to the SuperBowl And here's the last piece of the puzzle: the Boston Symphony and Boston Pops brass section has played the national anthem at 5 Patriots games since I've been in the orchestra. EVERY time we play the anthem at a Patriots game, they win. ---------- End Forwarded Message ---------- Mearl Danner Systems Programmer Samford University jmdanner@samford.edu www.samford.edu ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:03:36 EST From: REOnofreyJ@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: To Doug Yeo Message-ID: <16e.840078e.29900ad8@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_16e.840078e.29900ad8_boundary" Doug, As a Patriots fan, I would like to thank you for the Superbowl victory. ÊNow the Pat's are 6-0 when you play for them! -Rick Onofrey ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:29:27 -0500 From: "Tom G Tyson" To: , "'Trombones and related issues forum.'" Subject: RE: To Doug Yeo Message-ID: <001301c1ad99$1e5eb7d0$22ddbfa8@DD943111> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C1AD6F.3588AFD0" Rick, Maybe the Patriots management should consider a contract to hire the section if not the entire Pops. They seem to be quite effective in the wins department and the section probably wouldnÕt cost as much as one of those Running Back fellas. (I still havenÕt quite figured out where theyÕre running back TO). Tom Òglad when Doug gets backÓ Tyson -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of REOnofreyJ@aol.com Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 11:04 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: To Doug Yeo Doug, As a Patriots fan, I would like to thank you for the Superbowl victory. ÊNow the Pat's are 6-0 when you play for them! -Rick Onofrey ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2290--