TROMBONE-L Digest 2288 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: medical pitch question by Brian French 2) RE: Physical size as related to big sound by Gabriel Langfur 3) RE: Hand Brace by "Kevin Saunders" 4) RE: medical pitch question by Earl Needham 5) Re: Weather by "Tom C. Shaddox" 6) Re: Weather by Brad Howland 7) RE: Physical size as related to big sound by Roger Hecht 8) Re: medical pitch question by "Matthew Stoecker" 9) Re: Physical size as related to big sound by "Tom C. Shaddox" 10) Re: Cotton Carpet Binding "Burns" Out Your Slide Sludge by Gary Sloane 11) weather by "s76lewis" 12) RE: Weather by "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" 13) RE: medical pitch question by "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" 14) Re: weather by "s76lewis" 15) Ending Notes by "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" 16) Re: Ending Notes by "Daniel Pliskin" 17) Re: medical pitch question by Walter Barrett 18) Re: Cotton Carpet Binding "Burns" Out Your Slide Sludge by "Daniel Pliskin" 19) Bass Trombone opening in Calgary (long) by James Scott 20) Calgary BT audition list by James Scott 21) Calgary Bass Trombone Audition list by James Scott 22) Re: Bass Trombone opening in Calgary (long) by "Lisa & Patrick Bates" 23) Re: medical pitch question by "Billy Cordova" 24) Re: Physical size as related to big sound by "Paul Hill" 25) Re: Bass Trombone opening in Calgary (long) by James Scott 26) RE: medical pitch question by "Jeffrey Albert" 27) My New E-Mail Address by Bear Woodson 28) Re: Physical size as related to big sound by "Les Benedict" 29) Re: hand brace by Larry White 30) Re: Weather by Larry White 31) Re: weather by Larry White 32) Re: Army Blues Jazz Ensemble & P.A. Reinforcement by TRBNTERRY@webtv.net (TRBNTERRY) 33) Re: hand brace by Randy Campora 34) Re: Cotton Carpet Binding "Burns" Out Your Slide Sludge by "Adrian Drover" 35) Re: medical pitch question by "Adrian Drover" 36) Re: medical pitch question by "Adrian Drover" 37) for Donn Schaefer by "Charles Levine" 38) Re: medical pitch question by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 39) Re: medical pitch question by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 40) Re: Thanks by Ted Toulouse 41) Re: Army Blues Jazz Ensemble & P.A. Reinforcement by "Steve Beck" 42) Re: Cotton Carpet Binding "Burns" Out Your Slide Sludge by "Dave Wank" 43) Re: Physical size as related to big sound by "Paul Hill" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 13:13:01 -0500 From: Brian French Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: medical pitch question Message-ID: <3C5ADAAD.6000800@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gabe, didn't Arnold Jacobs have (at least) a stethoscope in HIS office? --Brian Gabriel Langfur wrote: Am I the only one who doesn't understand why there's a tuning fork in a doctor's office? Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:32:03 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Physical size as related to big sound Message-ID: <20020201183203.31700.qmail@web10305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dan Maslowski wrote: > He said his > nickname was "Tiny" because he was a midget or something > of the sorts. > Anyhow, supposedly had the biggest sound he ever heard > out of a bass > trombonist. He was talking about B.B. McCullough. I never met him, but I'd never heard that B.B. referred to his size - just a nickname for Byron, I thought. Anyway, he was a small person, a great bass trombone player, a composer, and a poet - and from what I always heard a wonderful guy. > So, I think there is much to be said about > lung capacity. > It's like Arnold Jacobs said it, it's not how much you > have, it's HOW > you use it. Exactly. I'm not a big guy - somewhere between 5'10" & 5'11", about 175 (well...185 to be honest), and I manage. Doug Yeo is a little smaller than me, and my teacher Ray Premru was smaller than Doug (although sort of barrel-chested - I think he had large lung capacity for his size). Doug plays a larger mouthpiece than I do, and I think he can probably play a longer phrase (we've never had a contest - whaddya say Doug?). There are a lot of factors other than lung capacity. I don't think anybody produces a larger sound for the listener at the back of a hall than Norman Bolter (on tenor trombone anyway), and he's quite small - no more than 5'6" and very slim. Up close, his sound is not particularly broad, but it's very focussed, with a lot of substance to the overtone spectrum. It carries like crazy. Furthermore, he's learned enough about how to sneak breaths, cover breaths, and strategically circular breathe, to make long, musical phrases, even with breaths in the middle of them. Also, every time I sit next to the top-level players - Norman, Doug, and the people who sub in the BSO more frequently than me - I am forced to push myself a little harder than usual to protect and stretch the end of the phrase, letting the resonance linger in the hall for the best, most beautiful effect. I'm convinced that that's part of what makes the "big sound" - the notes and phrases that have resonance beyond the "end of the note". It's hard to explain, but there are at least as many different ways to end a note as there are to start one, and they have significant effects on what the audience perceives. I remember listening to one player in particular at an audition. I have no idea who it was, so I'll talk about it - he/she had an absolutely HUGE sound, like a great big bass trombone (this was a principal trombone audition). The sound was not really for my taste, but very impressive nonetheless. And the player had a lot of other things going for him/her as well - but every note ended like a pillow got shoved into the bell. There was no resonance whatsoever, and there was no way he/she could accomplish a convincing musical line. The sound, big as it was, probably wouldn't really have carried well in a large ensemble, either. Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:41:21 -0600 From: "Kevin Saunders" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Hand Brace Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't forget that the Greenhoe rest bar is adjustable at first as it comes with a clamp. One only solders it in place AFTER finding the right location. That location tends to be very close to the locknut, so that is the only real compromise that is required. I have mine soldered very close to the locknut, because it is more comfortable, and then place the bell on the stand when attaching the slide. To me, that is a safer assembly procedure anyway, but it was made necessary by my choice in mounting the bar so low. If you go to the www.greenhoe.com site you will see George Roberts holding my horn with the Greenhoe Rest Bar attached. Knowing what Mr. Roberts thinks about ANY double rotor bass, it is encouraging to see a smile on his face with this rest bar! Best Regards, Kevin -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Craig Parmerlee Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 9:44 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re:Hand Brace At 08:54 AM 2/1/2002 -0500, Denver D. Seifried wrote: >The Edwards "Bullet Brace" at the present time will not fit a Bach trombone, >as there is a difference in bell brace tubing diameters between the two >brands of trombones. I wanted to install one on my Bach 50B3 and contacted >Edwards several months ago and found this information. According to Edwards, >on their next production run of the "Bullet", there will a Bach size made. If the Bach tubing has a larger diameter, a person with a Dremel tool and some patience should be able to adapt the Bullet to fit. I don't know how big the Bach tube is, but there is some room to work on the Bullet. I suppose this is a very personal thing. I have the Edwards Stegeman bar on my bass. It is similar to the Greenhoe rest, although less elegant looking. I like it fine. I recently put the Edwards Bullet on my tenor with F. Although there is a fine range of adjustment, every setting felt awkward to me. I finally figured out that the balance of the horn is such that it wants to roll to the left. When using the Stegeman bar or the Greenhoe rest, that rolling action seats the bar more firmly into the left hand, which is a good thing. With the bullet, the bar approaches from the left side of the hand. The angle that the bar is bent at the factory made it feel to me as if the horn was always trying to get away. I found myself gripping the slide just as if I had no bar. I went into the workshop and changed the angles of the bends in the bar. That helped a lot. Now it feels similar to the Stegeman bar. I'm not sure that the factory could adopt my fix directly because my modifications reduce the range of adjustment. It works better for me, but maybe the next person would need something different. Regardless of which solution you choose, definitely get something. There is no reason for us to punish ourselves. Cheers, Craig ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 11:03:11 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: medical pitch question Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020201110200.00b5fb28@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:56 AM 2/1/2002 -0800, Gabriel Langfur wrote: Am I the only one who doesn't understand why there's a tuning fork in a doctor's office? Gabe They use them to verify a person can hear. If you have one handy, whack it on something so it vibrates, and then hold it close to your ear to see what I'm talking about. You can also what the tuning fork and then place the end of the "handle" on your forehead and that's a real eye-opener... Earl ********************************************************* Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:needhame@yucca.net Clovis, New Mexico KD5XB-2>APU24L,WA5IHL-11,K5BEN-15,WA5IHL-7,W5SF-1,K5CQH-15,WB5EKP-1*,TRACE7- 1:=3425.84N/10313.56W-[DM84] Pet peeve #1: You look at a "SITE" with your "SIGHT". Pet peeve #2: "Congratulations" does NOT have a "d" in it. Old pet peeve: People who get themselves on a mailing list and then can't figure out how to get OFF the list, then repeatedly sending "unsubscribe" or "remove" as one-word messages to the list. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 12:45:46 -0600 From: "Tom C. Shaddox" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Weather Message-ID: <3C5AE25A.2F53C487@fnc.fujitsu.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We always have an email hot line set up if weather threatens, and our award winning web site www.planoband.com is updated rapidly with info about delays or cancellations. (There's only one member of our 85 piece band that doesn't have email, and if the weather turns bad he wouldn't be able to ford the crik and get into town to play anyway.) Our piccolos, clarinets, oboes and bassoons are always told that it is NOT required for them to bring their wooden concert instruments to cold outdoor performances. Most have plastic or metal instruments for these gigs, anyway. I understand that the Marine Band in Washington DC has a piece called "The Frozen Horn March" that they can play if the weather for the presidential inauguration is rreeeeaaallllllyyy cold. Semper Fi! Tom Shaddox, 9th chair tenor ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 10:59:15 -0800 From: Brad Howland To: william david proctor , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Weather Message-ID: <012a01c1ab52$8b6e1580$a11a4118@gv.shawcable.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I live in Victoria, BC Canada, and it hasn't snowed yet this year! Brad Howland ----- Original Message ----- From: "william david proctor" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:56 PM Subject: Weather > Last night a major winter storm hit much of the southwestern United States. > Other than everything opening two hours late because of snow and ice, > didn't impact my schedule too much. It did start me thinking of what might > be an interesting dicussion topic: what preparations do you make when bad > weather (snow, heavy rain, etc.) is forecast? This includes adjustments you > make to your car, instrument, case, accessories, anything else that affects > your ability to get to your destination and perform. For instance, people > who live way up north probably know how to handle snow and ice better than > those of us from the south. (I know, if the weather's REALLY bad, sometimes > the gig is cancelled and it makes no difference....) > > David Proctor > bass trombone > University of New Mexico > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 13:49:56 -0500 From: Roger Hecht To: glangfur@yahoo.com, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Physical size as related to big sound Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020201134926.00a63040@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_13509689==_.ALT" At 10:32 AM 2/1/2002 -0800, Gabriel Langfur wrote: He was talking about B.B. McCullough. I never met him, but I'd never heard that B.B. referred to his size - just a nickname for Byron, I thought. Anyway, he was a small person, a great bass trombone player, a composer, and a poet - and from what I always heard a wonderful guy. Yes. All true. Long-time bass trombonist of the Pittsburgh Symphony, Byron B. McCullough was well under 5'. Maybe 4'6", something like that. I studied with him for a year in Pittsburgh. I enjoyed my time with him and learned a lot: he was a very interesting, very nice man. He was a student of Remington. I was glad to run into him a few years years ago at a Pittsburgh Symphony concert. (He was retired by then.) We had a very pleasant chat. I was surprised he remembered me. Sad to say, a friend in Pittsburgh who is familiar with some of the affairs of the orchestra told me BB died a couple of years ago. BB was in his 70s or thereabouts. Roger Hecht ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:54:27 -0800 From: "Matthew Stoecker" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: medical pitch question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0002_01C1AB0E.D1553A40" Tuning forks are used to diagnose skull fractures. Seriously. Take a tuning fork, ring it, then press it to your head.ÊYou will hear the sound a lot louder than it seems because bone conducts sound. If youÊhaveÊa skullÊfracture or other such business, your ability toÊhear it will be impaired. Matthew Stoecker ----- Original Message ----- From: Gabriel Langfur Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 10:47 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: RE: medical pitch question Am I the only one who doesn't understand why there's a tuning fork in a doctor's office? Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 12:56:07 -0600 From: "Tom C. Shaddox" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Physical size as related to big sound Message-ID: <3C5AE4C7.5B61005D@fnc.fujitsu.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug can speak directly to this, but I recall he mentioned a few years ago that his lung capacity is quite large. I've always wondered if this was strictly genetic or if thousands of hours in the practice room expanded his air sacks and/or trained his body to fill and expel deeper. Tom Shaddox, 9th chair tenor ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:58:23 -0800 From: Gary Sloane To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Cc: Galen Zinn , marksmen@outdrs.net, "Robert Boring" <1sttrombone@attbi.com> Subject: Re: Cotton Carpet Binding "Burns" Out Your Slide Sludge Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm no metallurgist, but the idea of heating the slide tubes deliberately strikes me as an running an unnecessary risk of warping. For my best slides: I just swab them out with cheese cloth wrapped around the cleaning rod. I've also produced good results with copper or brass polish followed by a complete flush (just remove the shower-massage unit from the hose), a wipe down with fresh cheese cloth, then an application of teflon (see trombone-l archives for discussion and directions) using Autofom, then S-O-M. For really old or rough slides: First, I soak them overnight in a bathtub full of hot water and dish- washing liquid, then I use the usual slide brush. (I'd love to have one with denser, stiffer bristles, perhaps more like a soft to medium toothbrush.) Then I swab them out, as above. In extreme cases, I've used extra-fine (00) steel wool, and in one case, even fine-grade ScotchBrite, but the latter borders on overkill and can damage what's left of the inner suface. As with certain delicate medical questions, softening is preferable to brute force. GS PS: Maybe Pliskin has an opionion on this question... This was demonstrated to me last Tuesday by John Brummel, a local trombone instructor. It did seem to improve the freeness of my slide movement enough that I plan to try it on other slides. Wind enough clean cotton carpet binding (1" - 1 1/4" width) around your trombone slide cleaning rod so that the bound rod fits rather snugly (tightly) into your outer slide. Pump the bound rod back and forth inside your outer slide so that it is creating heat from friction within about a 6" section of the slide. This 6" portion of the slide will get quite hot to the touch. Continue this procedure until you have created this hot friction throughout the entire length of the outer slide. The heat and friction will "burn" off any accumulated residues and polish the inner surface of your outer slide. Apply your usual lubrication and you are back in business. Is this something that any of the rest of you already knew about? If you want to try it, you'd better find a local Ma and Pa carpet shop soon and buy a spool of cotton carpet binding. Most carpet companies have now changed over to nylon binding. The cotton binding may be hard to find. I found a role in a dusty old cabinet in a local carpet warehouse. They sold me a 200 yard spool of it for $20.00; this will probably be more than enough to last a lifetime. I figure I can wash and reuse the same piece of binding for multiple "burnings". You be the judge, was this worth 2¢ or 5¢? Galen Zinn E-mail: zinger@musician.org -- Gary Sloane sloane@batnet.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:41:04 -0600 From: "s76lewis" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: weather Message-ID: <003d01c1ab58$65ad9130$6501a8c0@sandy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow! We might have frost tonight in Southwest Louisiana! Time to make gumbo. Trombone related statement: If you sit next to loud players, your hearing will go and you won't be able to hear the doctor's tuning fork anyway. Sandy Lewis ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:20:17 -0600 From: "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" To: "'slide.rule@adios.co.uk'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Weather Message-ID: <587F49FABBEDD411A68F00A0C9EA313B5FD06D@dasmthkhn561.amedd.army.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1AB55.7B381F50" Sunshine Adrian, is what you give me on the List. Rick Marple San Antonio TX City of the Sun ==================== Subject: Re: Weather Whut is sunshine? Adrian ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:51:09 -0600 From: "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" To: "'glangfur@yahoo.com'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: medical pitch question Message-ID: <587F49FABBEDD411A68F00A0C9EA313B5FD06E@dasmthkhn561.amedd.army.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1AB59.CB359510" Am I the only one who doesn't understand why there's a tuning fork in a doctor's office? Gabe ==== That is a much easier question to answer Gabe. There are many uses, the testing of hearing (8th nerve or acoustic nerve), testing nerve function in the feet/legs, and to fool around with :-). The testing of your ability to feel vibrations is the main use. Some people get dysfunction of their long nerves, which just happen to go down the legs to the feet. The condition is collectively called peripheral neuropathy.Ê The physician activates the tuning fork and places it on your big toe for instance, and asks you "Do you feel the buzz?" If you say yes, that's good, if you say no then you may have lost your vibratory sensation and this might indicate disease of the long nerves. Over time physicians have learned that 128 and 256 Hz work very well for this screening test, but why these vibrations are the ones codified forever in medical history is the earlier question, and I am still working on that. I suspect they were the frequencies produced by tuning fork manufacturers in the 1800's when the practice started but I have no evidence for this opinion yet. To clarify the other posts, the hearing test uses 512 Hz since high frequencies are usually lost first, and has 2 parts, 1.) place the vibrating tuning fork on the forehead and ask if the patient hears the sound in one ear louder than the other (the Weber test), 2.) Place a vibrating tuning fork behind the ear and ask when the patient can no longer hear the bone conduction. Place the fork at the same ear, the patient should be able to hear the fork again (it is normal for air conduction to be more efficient than bone conduction, this is the Rinne test). The tests are used in combination to screen for air conduction hearing loss. (Note from Mom: Remember don't ever stick anything into your ear, especially when your running with scissors or you might get an air conduction loss) Rick Marple San Antonio TX ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:21:07 -0600 From: "s76lewis" To: "Brian French" Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: weather Message-ID: <000501c1ab5d$fb37a240$6501a8c0@sandy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Brian, It's the trombone players who had the red beans and rice special for lunch who are deadly. Sandy Lewis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian French" To: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 2:06 PM Subject: Re: weather > Your trombone related statement should be: If you sit next to loud > players, be sure they're not eating too much gumbo! > --Brian > > s76lewis wrote: > > >Wow! We might have frost tonight in Southwest Louisiana! Time to make > >gumbo. > >Trombone related statement: If you sit next to loud players, your hearing > >will go and you won't be able to hear the doctor's tuning fork anyway. > >Sandy Lewis > > > > > > > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:58:11 -0600 From: "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" To: "'Trombone-L (List)'" Subject: Ending Notes Message-ID: <587F49FABBEDD411A68F00A0C9EA313B5FD06F@dasmthkhn561.amedd.army.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Gabe said: It's hard to explain, but there are at least as many different ways to end a note as there are to start one, and they have significant effects on what the audience perceives. =================================================== I have always felt one of the signs of a great player is to end a note or phrase as well or "better" than its beginning. The overtone series is just one aspect of that. Many players focus on the beginning of note and phrase but the ends don't get the same listening effort. Whenever I have heard a really tight group, this is what I notice, the ending of notes and phrases are as clean as the beginnings. Anyone else feel this way? Rick Marple San Antonio TX ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 20:54:06 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Ending Notes Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I have always felt one of the signs of a great player is to end a note or phrase as well or "better" than its beginning. Anyone else feel this way? Yes Rick. I have noticed that and it's a bit unnerving, that Iâm so bad at it. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldâs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 16:05:59 -0500 From: Walter Barrett To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: medical pitch question Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 2/1/02 1:54 PM, Matthew Stoecker at The_Mighty_Quinn@msn.com sent forth into the cosmos: > Tuning forks are used to diagnose skull fractures. Seriously. Take a tuning > fork, ring it, then press it to your head. You will hear the sound a lot > louder than it seems because bone conducts sound. If you have a skull fracture > or other such business, your ability to hear it will be impaired. > > > > > > Matthew Stoecker > > When I took a spill down the basement stairs once (12 steps to the bottom!), my chiropractor checked me out for broken ribs with a tuning fork. He held the end on each rib. When he was done, I asked him how he would have known if one was broken. He said "The ribs where you scream are the broken ones." Glad I was just bruised up!!! -- Walter Barrett My Pet Peeve- People with pet peeves! Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 21:10:08 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Cotton Carpet Binding "Burns" Out Your Slide Sludge Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed PS: Maybe Pliskin has an opionion on this question... Gary, When I really need to do something major clean the inside of outer slide tubes, I first whimper a little. I whimper, because Iâm clearly going to be removing brass, in the process. Iâve got a very bright white LED, at the end of a wall transformer, which allows me to slide the light (LED) down one slide tube and around the crook. That way, I can inspect a slide tubes, lit from the bottom. The tubes need to be dry, in order to see anything. If all I see is corrosion and the corrosion doesnât feel major, Iâll try to remove it with a gun-cleaning rod, wool swab and a find abrasive like Pearl Drops. If the inner tubes have junk or corrosion, which is flaky, I use a gun-cleaning rod and brass brush, to clean that out. But there are also times when the slide tubes look shiny bright, but there are still tight spots in the slide action. If I canât detect a dent in the outer slide, I use one of those infamous expander things, sold by Ferree, but I use it much like the description of how the Cotton Carpet Binding was being used. First, I set the expander gadget so that I can feel where the tight spots are. Then I slide the slide back and forth, on the expander, in an attempt to, basically wear more corrosion and/or brass away, in that area. An alternative to the expander, is to, again, use the gun-cleaning rod and wool swab, but use a more aggressive abrasive, like car buffing compound. Here I would turn the handle, slowly, in a drill motor, which I hold in place, in a vise. Again, Iâm basically wearing more corrosion and/or brass away, in that area. Maybe you now know why I whimper, first. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldâs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 15:39:15 -0700 From: James Scott To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Bass Trombone opening in Calgary (long) Message-ID: <3C5B1913.C6329F70@ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone - I just wanted to use this forum to announce an opening here in Calgary, Alberta, Canada for the position of Bass Trombone with the Calgary Philharmonic Orchestra. Our Bass Trombonist, Mark Johnson, has indicated that he will not be returning to the CPO next season, after a long, and distinguished career. Canadian National Auditions will be held on April 22,2002, with the possibility of finals being held over to the 23rd. These auditions are, in accordance with immigration regulations dictated by the Government of Canada, open only to Canadian citizens and landed immigrants (permanent residents). For all of those who are elligible, the contact information is: Calgary Philharmonic Orchestra Tim Rawlings, Personnel Manager 205 - 8th Ave. SE Calgary, Alberta Canada T2G 0K9 there may also be an e-mail link from www.cpo-live.com The job is currently 38 weeks, down from a previous 41. We were locked out by our management/board this season, and to be honest with everyone, there is still some tension and some resentment from the players towards the office. They have a long way to go in rebuilding the organization, but this has been, in the recent past, one of the most promising orchestral situations in Canada, and just may become that again with the right leadership. I tell you all of this, so that anyone applying will have an accurate assesment of the situation here (at least as I see it!) so they can factor this into the decision to come or not. We are, of course, hoping for a large turnout of quality players. Should a suitable candidate not be found at those auditions, international auditions may be scheduled at a later date. I am going to attach the list to this message - please don't take details of dates or repertoire from this source to be absolute - whatever is communicated from the front office will be the "Gold Standard". Jim Scott Principal Trombone Calgary Philharmonic Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 15:43:16 -0700 From: James Scott To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Calgary BT audition list Message-ID: <3C5B1A04.C04999FC@ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry everyone - The audition list didn't attach properly to my last post, so here goes again. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 16:16:32 -0700 From: James Scott To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Calgary Bass Trombone Audition list Message-ID: <3C5B21D0.DC34CB7A@ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sorry everybody - third time's the charm! I'm attaching the audition list for the opening for Bass Trombone in Calgary. Audition will be April 22 (finals 23rd? TBA). Thanks - sorry for this taking 3 messages! Jim Scott Bass Trombone Audition List Solos : 1. R. Vaughan-Williams - Concerto for Tuba - mvt. 2 (Romanza) - beginning to #3 2. J.S. Bach - Suite no. 5 (in C minor) for Violoncello Alone - Sarabande (no repeats) note: Both solos are required -#1 for round 1, and #2 for finals Orchestral Excerpts : Beethoven - Symphony no. 9 Berg - Concerto for Violin and Orchestra Brahms - Symphonies 1 and 4 Haydn - The Creation - Part II no. 26 - ãAchieved is the Glorious Workä Kodaly - Hary Janos - Suite Respighi - Fontane di Roma Rossini - La Gazza Ladra (Italian version - single trombone part as it appears in International Music (Keith Brown) excerpt book no. 1) William Tell Overture Schumann - Symphony no. 3 Strauss - Also sprach Zarathustra Ein Heldenleben Till Eulenspiegel Wagner - Das Rheingold (excerpts found in International Music (Hausmann) Wagner book) Die Walkure - Ride of the Valkyries ( Hausmann book) Tannhauser - Overture (Concert version) Section Playing : Brahms - Symphonies 1 and 4 Bruckner - Symphonies 4 and 8 Dvorak - Symphony no. 9 (New World) Prokofiev - Lt. Kije (octaves with tuba) Schubert - Symphony no. 9 (C major - ãThe Greatä) Verdi - Nabucco (Overture) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:33:19 -0500 From: "Lisa & Patrick Bates" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Bass Trombone opening in Calgary (long) Message-ID: <001c01c1ab78$d5b7c3e0$cf885fd8@plbates> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just curious, since you're closer than the rest of us to Edmonton, are the problems similar to what I've been hearing on CBC about Edmonton? What's the scoop on both situations? Patrick Bates Bass bone Chatham Concert Band & Primitive Roots Jazz Band From: James Scott Subject: Bass Trombone opening in Calgary (long) . We were locked out by our management/board this season, and to be honest with everyone, > there is still some tension and some resentment from the players towards > the office. They have a long way to go in rebuilding the organization, > but this has been, in the recent past, one of the most promising > orchestral situations in Canada, and just may become that again with the > right leadership. I tell you all of this, so that anyone applying will > have an accurate assesment of the situation here (at least as I see it!) > so they can factor this into the decision to come or not. We are, of > course, hoping for a large turnout of quality players. Should a suitable > candidate not be found at those auditions, international auditions may > be scheduled at a later date. > > I am going to attach the list to this message - please don't take > details of dates or repertoire from this source to be absolute - > whatever is communicated from the front office will be the "Gold > Standard". > > Jim Scott > Principal Trombone > Calgary Philharmonic Orchestra > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:32:24 -0600 From: "Billy Cordova" To: Cc: "Trombone-L" Subject: Re: medical pitch question Message-ID: <007b01c1ab78$b5f8ef20$34294c42@coxinternet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wouldn't it have been easier (and less painful) to get an x-ray? Billy Cordova I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it - Voltaire St. Cecelia, pray for us. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Barrett" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 3:05 PM Subject: Re: medical pitch question > on 2/1/02 1:54 PM, Matthew Stoecker at The_Mighty_Quinn@msn.com sent forth > into the cosmos: > > > Tuning forks are used to diagnose skull fractures. Seriously. Take a tuning > > fork, ring it, then press it to your head. You will hear the sound a lot > > louder than it seems because bone conducts sound. If you have a skull fracture > > or other such business, your ability to hear it will be impaired. > > > > > > > > > > > > Matthew Stoecker > > > > > When I took a spill down the basement stairs once (12 steps to the bottom!), > my chiropractor checked me out for broken ribs with a tuning fork. He held > the end on each rib. When he was done, I asked him how he would have known > if one was broken. He said "The ribs where you scream are the broken ones." > Glad I was just bruised up!!! > -- > > Walter Barrett > > My Pet Peeve- People with pet peeves! > > > Yamaha Artist/Clinician > Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones > Euphonium > Bass Trumpet > Tuba > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:45:11 -0800 From: "Paul Hill" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Physical size as related to big sound Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1AB50.94734440" Hi Tom, In the book, "In Pursuit of a Dream: Proclamation", it is stated that Doug has a Forced Vital Capacity (FVC) of 6.2 liters. Although I have never met Doug, I recall that he is somewhere just under 6' tall and from his photos, he is on the thin side (good for you, Doug!). That is an incredible amount of air for *ANY* size person! I believe that the "foundation" of most physical activities is genetic (although much can be accomplished by sheer force of will andÊdetermination). Another factor is "development". For example, I ran the 400m from 7th grade through college and (through testing) know that I have frequently stressed my lungs close to "capacity" which has been measured at 6.5 liters (I'm 6' 2"/235 lbs). In other words, my lungs have been developed and utilized to their maximum capacity. I recall that Doug likes to ride his bicycle but don't know what else he might do for exercise. "Song and Wind" has made a profound impact on my wind "awareness".ÊI strive for "efficiency" over simple capacity - this is where Doug really shines! Another good use for those Long Tones! While I believe that this activity (plus genetics) is largely responsible for my lung capacity, Doug is still the more efficient "breather".ÊÊUnless one has lungs down to their kneecaps, I have found that simply playing my horn does not maintain my lung capacity optimally...I try to run every day but during the winter months, I do not use my lungs to capacity.ÊÊHowever, during the "warmer" months when I can run at full throttle, my lungpower is greatly enhanced - directly relating to increased FVC. It is interesting to read what several "vertically challenged" folks have done to overcome physical limitations and still push BIG horns...good stuff! Best Regards, Paul Paul Hill Bass Tbn Newport, RI ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom C. Shaddox Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 11:00 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Physical size as related to big sound Doug can speak directly to this, but I recall he mentioned a few years ago that his lung capacity is quite large. I've always wondered if this was strictly genetic or if thousands of hours in the practice room expanded his air sacks and/or trained his body to fill and expel deeper. Tom Shaddox, 9th chair tenor ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 17:02:56 -0700 From: James Scott To: Lisa & Patrick Bates Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Bass Trombone opening in Calgary (long) Message-ID: <3C5B2CB0.7D5BBA5A@ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Patrick - I'm not sure that this is the forum for going into all of the problems that seem to be plaguing Canadian Orchestras, but I'll try to give a quick answer. 1. Type of support - the government has turned over support of the arts to the private sector, after years of supporting them through tax revenue. The old system was more like Europe - now more like USA. Unfortunately, they didn't change the tax code to give a big enough deduction to contributors, and they did it almost overnight, with no chance to change giving habits of the public. 2. Old managements are without fundraising skills, since they used to raise money by siting down with government officials over scotch and cigars. They aren't experienced at true fundraising. 3. Boards have changed from entrepreneurs and "money people" to middle management money crunchers who are used to trying to get more from less rather than having a long range vision. (ie: "Why do we need all those violins - couldn't we amplify a few less? - instead of "How can we expand our string section?") Our situation is very similar to Edmonton, except they may have found some bargaining power around it. Winnipeg was also locked out (over Christmas!), and Vancouver and Toronto have also taken drastic cuts this year. Anyway, that's my best assesment of the situation - sorry it's not as short as I promised! If you're a Canadian list member, write your goverment officials, asking for changes to the tax code to encourage giving to the arts! Jim Scott Lisa & Patrick Bates wrote: > Just curious, since you're closer than the rest of us to Edmonton, are the > problems similar to what I've been hearing on CBC about Edmonton? What's > the scoop on both situations? > > Patrick Bates > Bass bone > Chatham Concert Band & > Primitive Roots Jazz Band > > From: James Scott > Subject: Bass Trombone opening in Calgary (long) > > . We were locked out by our management/board this season, and to be honest > with everyone, > > there is still some tension and some resentment from the players towards > > the office. They have a long way to go in rebuilding the organization, > > but this has been, in the recent past, one of the most promising > > orchestral situations in Canada, and just may become that again with the > > right leadership. I tell you all of this, so that anyone applying will > > have an accurate assesment of the situation here (at least as I see it!) > > so they can factor this into the decision to come or not. We are, of > > course, hoping for a large turnout of quality players. Should a suitable > > candidate not be found at those auditions, international auditions may > > be scheduled at a later date. > > > > I am going to attach the list to this message - please don't take > > details of dates or repertoire from this source to be absolute - > > whatever is communicated from the front office will be the "Gold > > Standard". > > > > Jim Scott > > Principal Trombone > > Calgary Philharmonic Orchestra > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:34:44 -0600 From: "Jeffrey Albert" To: , "'Trombones and related issues forum.'" Subject: RE: medical pitch question Message-ID: <001d01c1ab81$69e794c0$70229d42@user> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > Tuning forks are used to diagnose skull fractures. Seriously. Take a tuning > > fork, ring it, then press it to your head. You will hear the sound a lot > > louder than it seems because bone conducts sound. If you have a skull fracture > > or other such business, your ability to hear it will be impaired. > > Yeah, but you probably won't have an experience to compare it to. You won't know if the sound is louder or softer or similar to before your incident. My wife is an internist, and she said they use them to check for conductive hearing loss, which does involve placement on the head, but the assessment is made by determining whether the patient hears it louder in one ear. They also use it for the thing on the toe that was described earlier. I don't remember what she called it, because when I ask her medical questions she quits speaking English. Jeff ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 21:20:04 -0700 From: Bear Woodson To: Trombone List Subject: My New E-Mail Address Message-ID: <3C5B68F5.38AC97A@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Trombone List. Please note that I now have a new E-Mail Address. My old E-Mail Address will stop working sometime in Late February, 2002. The old "Home.Com" System is going out of business. I am now switched over to a new E-Mail Address, just as of January 31, 2002: "Bear Woodson" Bear Woodson "Bear" Thomas C. Woodson Composer, Tucson, Arizona, USA ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:40:18 -0800 From: "Les Benedict" To: "Richard Johnson" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Physical size as related to big sound Message-ID: <008701c1aba3$b7abe7c0$cc3ba018@socal.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One of my good friends told me that when he was in Las Vegas a number of years ago, he peeked in on the Wayne Newton show just to hear what the orchestra was like. He saw and heard a tuba, but not the player. On the next number the tuba disappeared, but he heard a French horn. He felt he had to check it out, so he made his way around to the back of the bandstand and saw the tuba/Fhorn player, a man about 5' 2" tall. That man was Tommy Bridges, now another good friend of mine. Tommy played bass trombone with the Stan Kenton Orchestra, and recorded with him on the "Stan Kenton Live at Redlands University" album, now re-released on CD. Tommy told me that when they were doing the sound check, the engineer kept turning his mike down and moving it further away, and finally turned it off entirely--listen to the recording and you'd never believe it. Tommy's there big time. I say size doesn't matter, and Tommy's living proof. BTW, Tommy quit playing for nearly a decade because of problems with his teeth, and now lives in Anaheim, CA and appraises real estate for a living, but is playing again on a hobby basis. Les Benedict lbenedict@socal.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Johnson" Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 6:48 PM Subject: Physical size as related to big sound ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 21:46:57 -0800 From: Larry White To: valveless@earthlink.net Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: hand brace Message-ID: <3C5B7D50.3588A573@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My original Denis Wick Sovereign circa 1977 had this already manufactured on to it. I loved that baby. She was a big double valver - Bb, F & Eb, independant valves. Sorry that it was stolen from my car. I had it about 20 years, and except for a small ding on the bell, it was as good then as it was new. The brute was heavy, especially when you had to carry around the big blue case which by itself must have weighed about 20 pounds by itself. Replaced it with another Sovereign 2 valve with same configuration, however it came with a D Slide as well. It is also 'freer' blowing due to its being an open wrap. Not nearly as heavy, and the valve configuration for the thumb and finger is not nearly as friendly for my small hand. Took me awhile to get used to, but that is attributed ot to anything that is a change after you have been playing or doing one thing for a long period of time. (It took me quite a while to get used to playing a Bb / F trombone after playing a G Trombone (with the stick) for so many years before that! Sorry I got carried away, but I wanted to make the point that the Dennis Wick Sovereign was well thought out, when it was first built in the early '70s. I don't think that they also made an inline version either. Larry White Brian French wrote: > Barry, > > Gary Greenhoe (www.greenhoe.com) makes a rest bar that sits in the > "meat" between your thumb and index finger. It really makes a > difference, to me it makes the horn feel considerably lighter than it > is. It comes with a felt-lined clamp so that you can try different > placements, find out what's comfortable for you, and then take it to > your repairman to solder in place. Edwards > (www.edwards-instruments.com) has come out with the "Bullet Brace" which > is also very comfortable. Both are about $100. > > --Brian > > Barry Green wrote: > > > Listers, > > I find myself practicing more bass and large bore tenor trombone these > > days and am having many hand cramps from > > holding my horns and using the triggers. I'm wondering who makes > > braces for horns like these. We have a great repairman here but I'd > > love to take him something ready to install. I have a bach 42ow and a > > benge 290 bass trombone. They sure make my small bore tenor feel good! > > Barry Green > > pea shooter at heart > > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 22:20:09 -0800 From: Larry White To: bhowland@shaw.ca Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Weather Message-ID: <3C5B8519.7AA6BC1A@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brad Howland wrote: > I live in Victoria, BC Canada, and it hasn't snowed yet this year! > > Brad Howland > No, because the snow that you are supposed to have had, ended up, blowing across the Lower Mainland this past week and the previous weekend. Must be all the pol'ticins keeping the hot air around Victoria all week that did it fer ya! Larry White Burnaby With snow that is rapidly melting and green grass showing agin! ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 22:22:57 -0800 From: Larry White To: s76lewis@bellsouth.net Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: weather Message-ID: <3C5B85C1.F54BABE5@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit s76lewis wrote: > Trombone related statement: If you sit next to loud players, your hearing > will go and you won't be able to hear the doctor's tuning fork anyway. > Sandy Lewis Nor your wife telling you what you have to do next, especially this Sunday afternoon, when she wants the bedroom painted or the wallpaper hung just because you decided to stay at home (to watch T V!). L White ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 01:42:33 -0500 (EST) From: TRBNTERRY@webtv.net (TRBNTERRY) To: DyessJW@hal.lamar.edu Cc: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu (Trombones and related issues forum.) Subject: Re: Army Blues Jazz Ensemble & P.A. Reinforcement Message-ID: <10444-3C5B8A59-1649@storefull-114.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) My tombstone shall be inscribed "The worst thing that ever happened to music was electricity". I coined that expression and I'll proclaim it to the very end. Mike Terry ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 01:44:10 -0500 From: Randy Campora To: eljaywhite@telus.net, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: hand brace Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020202013703.024956f0@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The Sovereign in line came out in the earlier 80's I believe. I happened to save a photo of the hand grip from one that was on sale on eBay a few months ago, just to study it. I remember playing it at a couple of conventions and checking out the grip. If anyone wants to look at the photos, just email me and i'll attach them to an email to you. Basically, the cross bar is in the original "straight tenor" place, that is to say it is low enough so that your thumb goes over it and then on to the F trigger. There is a little curved brace, smaller than a Greenhoe rest bar, that attaches to the cross brace at that spot, so that not only is your thumb going over the bar but the curved brace is propping up the horn. Very simple, it's amazing that when F valves became the craze the makers so quickly moved the cross brace up so that the hand goes under it, rather than over it as it does on a straight tenor bell section. Another thing on this Boosey: the 2nd trigger was used by poking one of the finger, don't remember which, on to a metal pad straight back. Don't know how comfy that was or wasn't, but it was at least a thoughtful attack on the problem. Randy Campora Baltimore Symphony Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:48:23 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: "Gary Sloane" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Cotton Carpet Binding "Burns" Out Your Slide Sludge Message-ID: <00e301c1abe8$17f61490$c47c68d5@homedmpbgvaomg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Gary Sloane" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For my best slides: I just swab them out with cheese cloth wrapped around the cleaning rod. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tried that once. Left my horn smelling of Roquefort for weeks. Adrian ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:48:41 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: medical pitch question Message-ID: <00e401c1abe8$1b2ab2b0$c47c68d5@homedmpbgvaomg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Gabriel Langfur" > Am I the only one who doesn't understand why there's a > tuning fork in a doctor's office? If the overtones from your heartbeat together with the C=256 from the tuning fork produce any chord other than Ab major, you only have another 32 bars to live. It's so the doctor can give you an early warning. Jus' jokin'. Here's the true reason: When the doctor pings the fork tuned to C=256, if you can't tell him/her that it's 6 points flat, he/she knows that you're a string player and that special corrective treatment may be necessary to your ears. Adrian ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:49:02 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: medical pitch question Message-ID: <00e501c1abe8$1ec27f70$c47c68d5@homedmpbgvaomg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Billy Cordova" > Wouldn't it have been easier (and less painful) to get an x-ray? Tuning fork diagnosis comes on the economy plan. Adrian ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 07:08:40 -0600 From: "Charles Levine" To: "tlist" Subject: for Donn Schaefer Message-ID: <000a01c1abea$be077020$9eb01ad1@D7493111> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1ABB8.717C53B0" Donn: I received your check this morning. Please tell me which component you wanted. Charlie ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 09:36:13 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: slide.rule@adios.co.uk, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: medical pitch question Message-ID: <11d.b850901.298d535d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Also the doc can do it standing up and by himself. Otherwise it is off to a med facility and spend hours getting pix of your bones. beldon ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 09:36:57 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: slide.rule@adios.co.uk, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: medical pitch question Message-ID: <68.1acda51a.298d5389@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 32 bars to live... I thought it was 32 more bars to buy Guinness in. beldon ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 08:00:40 -0800 (PST) From: Ted Toulouse To: rbarrygreen@home.com, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Thanks Message-ID: <20020202160040.8061.qmail@web21204.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Barry - I had my repairman in Kansas City put on Minik Mini-ball arms on my Thayers. They tend to be smoother than a Clontz liknage and over time will probably wear better. These mini-ball linkages are similar in construction to the arms that Edwards puts on their Thayers. I'm not sure if they can be installed on a rotor valve. Someone else on the list might know more about that. That said, the Clontz conversion seems to be the most popular and is probably the easiest. My $.02 Ted Toulouse --- Barry Green wrote: > Thanks to all who replied about the brace. The > solution is at hand so > to speak. Now, how about > a linkage conversion for my Benge 290 bass trombone. > This horn plays > great for me (I'm really a small bore > tenor player) but the linkage is awful. Again, it > would be great to > find something I could order and have my repairman > install because it's > hard for me to be without it because I never know > when I'm going to > have to double on a session. (My kids always want > food in the house, go > figure.) > Barry > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 11:04:15 -0500 From: "Steve Beck" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Army Blues Jazz Ensemble & P.A. Reinforcement Message-ID: <004801c1ac03$44cc3ec0$5e310923@cl.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "TRBNTERRY" "The worst thing that ever happened to music was electricity". You must have a tough time playing your CD collection. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 11:48:44 -0500 From: "Dave Wank" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Cotton Carpet Binding "Burns" Out Your Slide Sludge Message-ID: <002401c1ac09$7b0cbcc0$a598fea9@computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tried that once. Left my horn smelling of Roquefort for weeks. Adrian Adrian, You're supposed to remove the cheese! ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 11:47:20 -0800 From: "Paul Hill" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Physical size as related to big sound Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1ABDF.5F5EF580" ...second atempt ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Hill Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 6:45 PM To: Tom.Shaddox@fnc.fujitsu.com; Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Physical size as related to big sound Hi Tom, In the book, "In Pursuit of a Dream: Proclamation", it is stated that Doug has a Forced Vital Capacity (FVC) of 6.2 liters. Although I have never met Doug, I recall that he is somewhere just under 6' tall and from his photos, he is on the thin side (good for you, Doug!). That is an incredible amount of air for *ANY* size person! I believe that the "foundation" of most physical activities is genetic (although much can be accomplished by sheer force of will andÊdetermination). Another factor is "development". For example, I ran the 400m from 7th grade through college and (through testing) know that I have frequently stressed my lungs close to "capacity" which has been measured at 6.5 liters (I'm 6' 2"/235 lbs). In other words, my lungs have been developed and utilized to their maximum capacity. I recall that Doug likes to ride his bicycle but don't know what else he might do for exercise. "Song and Wind" has made a profound impact on my wind "awareness".ÊI strive for "efficiency" over simple capacity - this is where Doug really shines! Another good use for those Long Tones! While I believe that this activity (plus genetics) is largely responsible for my lung capacity, Doug is still the more efficient "breather".ÊÊUnless one has lungs down to their kneecaps, I have found that simply playing my horn does not maintain my lung capacity optimally...I try to run every day but during the winter months, I do not use my lungs to capacity.ÊÊHowever, during the "warmer" months when I can run at full throttle, my lungpower is greatly enhanced - directly relating to increased FVC. It is interesting to read what several "vertically challenged" folks have done to overcome physical limitations and still push BIG horns...good stuff! Best Regards, Paul Paul Hill Bass Tbn Newport, RI ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom C. Shaddox Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 11:00 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Physical size as related to big sound Doug can speak directly to this, but I recall he mentioned a few years ago that his lung capacity is quite large. I've always wondered if this was strictly genetic or if thousands of hours in the practice room expanded his air sacks and/or trained his body to fill and expel deeper. Tom Shaddox, 9th chair tenor ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2288--