Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Why I Use The F-Attachment... by "Kathy-Green -TJ" 2) Re: Phil Teele's book by "Stephen Jones" 3) Re: Why I Use The F-Attachment... by "Daniel Pliskin" 4) Nelson Riddle's bones by "Tom G Tyson" 5) Re: Serpent spotting by "Bodie Pfost" 6) Weather by william david proctor 7) Re: Trombone and percussion piece by "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" 8) Re: Nelson Riddle's bones by Phil Burton 9) Re: Weather by Wayne Dyess 10) RE: Weather by "Kevin Saunders" 11) RE: Weather by "Jeffrey Albert" 12) Re: Weather by Phil Burton 13) Re: Weather by "Rod Ellard" 14) Re: Weather by "David Pozos" 15) NYT: Black Musician, Beaten by Spanish Police, to Miss Concert by "Richard Johnson" 16) RE: Weather by "Daniel Pliskin" 17) Re: Weather by "Billy Cordova" 18) The Book by "Bill Dinwiddie" 19) Physical size as related to big sound by "Richard Johnson" 20) Test by Galen Zinn 21) Re: Physical size as related to big sound by Craig Parmerlee 22) Re: Weather by Larry White 23) Dallas Church Instrumental Conference by "Dean McCarty" 24) Re: Dallas Church Instrumental Conference by Sldtbn@aol.com 25) RE: Physical size as related to big sound by "Dan Maslowski" 26) Cotton Carpet Binding "Burns" Out Your Slide Sludge by Galen Zinn 27) Fwd: Weather by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 28) RE: Weather by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Marius_Helg=E5?= 29) Re: Physical size as related to big sound by "Adrian Drover" 30) Re: Weather by "Adrian Drover" 31) Re: Weather by "Adrian Drover" 32) Re: Dallas Church Instrumental Conference by "David Morrow" 33) RE: medical pitch question by richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL 34) hand brace by Barry Green 35) Re: hand brace by Brian French 36) Re:Hand Brace by "Denver D. Seifried" 37) Thanks by Barry Green 38) RE: Weather by "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> 39) Re:Hand Brace by Craig Parmerlee 40) Re: Cotton Carpet Binding "Burns" Out Your Slide Sludge by "Dave Wank" 41) Fwd: Weather by REOnofreyJ@aol.com 42) Re: Weather by "Adrian Drover" 43) Re: medical pitch question by "Adrian Drover" 44) RE: medical pitch question by Gabriel Langfur ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:49:05 -0800 From: "Kathy-Green -TJ" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Why I Use The F-Attachment... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I learned euphonium before trombone. With no help or instruction other than my own two ears and a slide position chart. I knew that the F-attachment did the same thing as the fourth valve on the euph, so I just learned it that way. As I improved, I did use 6th whenever possible. Now that I primarily play bass instead of tenor trombone, I have to balance the intonation vs. the tone quality vs. the convinience vs. my short little arms. Low C natural is quite a stretch for me unless I use both valves on the bass trombone. However, in my big band group, we are playing a piece where I have to play low C (rearticulated many times) for about 30 measures or so. It's quite lovely, the band begins to fade out one by one, and I am the last one left after the tenor sax soloist stops playing. For that passage I start using both, then go to just the F because I can play pianissimo much better. It's a very cool chart called Marionette. Then there is I Hear A Rhapsody where I am the first wind player to play and the note is pedal Bb fortissimo. Don't we all live for those moment? Kathy Green, Band Director Thomas Jefferson High School Music has the power of producing a certain effect on the moral character of the soul, and if it has the power to do this, it is clear that the young must be directed to music and must be educated in it. (Aristotle, Politics) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:16:08 -0500 From: "Stephen Jones" To: "'Trombones and related issues forum.'" Subject: Re: Phil Teele's book Message-ID: <004401c1aa8b$bcc02690$f0585582@library.lib.umbc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not a bass trombonist (I play a straight King 3B) and wondered how practical it would be for me to get the Teele book. Not too long ago I started doing long tone exercises from low Bb down to low E and then pedal Bb to Ab a la bits and pieces of posts to this list, and have noticed a very positive difference in my playing.Ê Stephen Jones ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:44:24 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Why I Use The F-Attachment... Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed It's quite lovely, the band begins to fade out one by one, and I am the last one left after the tenor sax soloist stops playing. Kathy, But isn't it always "quite lovely" when "the tenor sax soloist stops playing"? Sorry. I couldn't resist. I'll go back to work, now. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:48:52 -0500 From: "Tom G Tyson" To: "'Trombones and related issues forum.'" Subject: Nelson Riddle's bones Message-ID: <002601c1aa90$5011a230$5fddbfa8@DD943111> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just started listening to a bunch of old Nelson Riddle records and I was wondering who made up his trombone section. I assume George Roberts is anchoring the section from the wonderful bass I'm hearing, but who else played with his band(s). All I can say is that Nelson Riddle certainly knew how to arrange for trombones! Are any of his charts available (short of transcribing them)? - Tom Tyson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:06:32 -0800 From: "Bodie Pfost" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Serpent spotting Message-ID: <3c59a3c8.448e.0@humboldt1.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit List, Check out http://www.modularpeople.com/avalanches/ it requires flash, but in the videos section you can check out the music video for Frontier Psychiatrist by The Avalanches. Weird music, but there are serpents! -Bodie >I suddenly spotteda line of Serpentists on MTV! > >In The Avalanches' music video "Frontier Psychiatrist", there is a line of >men standing in the back, playing serpents, but as far as I can hear, they >have been overdubbed by trumpets in the actual recording. > >But still, it's funny to see such a rare instrument on MTV. > >Marius HelgŒ >Bass Trombone >Mo i Rana > >Obl. Trombone content: Tomorrow (hopefully) I'll receive a new slide from >the Holton factory after the one I currently don't use broke due to >corrosion on the inner tube. > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:56:03 -0700 From: william david proctor To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Weather Message-ID: <3175248960.1012492563@bldg62-0241.unm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Last night a major winter storm hit much of the southwestern United States. Other than everything opening two hours late because of snow and ice, didn't impact my schedule too much. It did start me thinking of what might be an interesting dicussion topic: what preparations do you make when bad weather (snow, heavy rain, etc.) is forecast? This includes adjustments you make to your car, instrument, case, accessories, anything else that affects your ability to get to your destination and perform. For instance, people who live way up north probably know how to handle snow and ice better than those of us from the south. (I know, if the weather's REALLY bad, sometimes the gig is cancelled and it makes no difference....) David Proctor bass trombone University of New Mexico ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:02:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" To: "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Trombone and percussion piece Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Guion, David wrote: > Miles Anderson recorded a nice piece several years ago. If memory serves, it > was something like Commedia by Campo. (The same recording had a piece for > trombone and double bass. If the Campo is the bass piece, try Esque by > Kellaway. One of those titles is bound to be close!) If it's not too low, there's the Paul Chihara piece "Willow, Willow" for three percussion, tuba, and bass flute.Ê The New Music Ensemble I was in that year had two basses, two tubas, two flutes, a clarinet, a bunch of percussionist, a couple fiddles, and some keyboard people, so we had to scramble for literature (and everyone brought whatever they doubled on). Ray Zupko wouldn't let me bring my ophicleide. Carole Nowicke cnowicke@indiana.edu ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:24:57 -0700 From: Phil Burton To: tgtyson@earthlink.net, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Nelson Riddle's bones Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020131162420.00a85c70@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_33023031==_.ALT" You can include the great Milt Bernhart in that wonderful group too. At 12:48 PM 1/31/2002, Tom G Tyson wrote: I just started listening to a bunch of old Nelson Riddle records and I was wondering who made up his trombone section. I assume George Roberts is anchoring the section from the wonderful bass I'm hearing, but who else played with his band(s). All I can say is that Nelson Riddle certainly knew how to arrange for trombones! Are any of his charts available (short of transcribing them)? - Tom Tyson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:41:44 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess To: dproctor@unm.edu Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Weather Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Howdy from Southeast Texas. Whut is snow and ice????? :-) Wayne At 3:56 PM -0700 1/31/02, william david proctor wrote: Last night a major winter storm hit much of the southwestern United States. Other than everything opening two hours late because of snow and ice, didn't impact my schedule too much. It did start me thinking of what might be an interesting dicussion topic: what preparations do you make when bad weather (snow, heavy rain, etc.) is forecast? This includes adjustments you make to your car, instrument, case, accessories, anything else that affects your ability to get to your destination and perform. For instance, people who live way up north probably know how to handle snow and ice better than those of us from the south. (I know, if the weather's REALLY bad, sometimes the gig is cancelled and it makes no difference....) David Proctor bass trombone University of New Mexico -- ========================= Dr. J. Wayne Dyess, Professor of Music Lamar University Music Department P. O. Box 10044 Beaumont, Texas 77710 409-880-8146 FAX: 409-880-8143 dyessjw@hal.lamar.edu http://www.lamar.edu ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:23:52 -0600 From: "Kevin Saunders" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Weather Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Wayne, I believe it is the stuff we see on tv! Snow is no muy bueno here in San Antonio. :) Kevin -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Wayne Dyess Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:42 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Weather Howdy from Southeast Texas. Whut is snow and ice????? :-) Wayne At 3:56 PM -0700 1/31/02, william david proctor wrote: >Last night a major winter storm hit much of the southwestern United >States. Other than everything opening two hours late because of snow >and ice, didn't impact my schedule too much. It did start me >thinking of what might be an interesting dicussion topic: what >preparations do you make when bad weather (snow, heavy rain, etc.) >is forecast? This includes adjustments you make to your car, >instrument, case, accessories, anything else that affects your >ability to get to your destination and perform. For instance, >people who live way up north probably know how to handle snow and >ice better than those of us from the south. (I know, if the >weather's REALLY bad, sometimes the gig is cancelled and it makes no >difference....) > >David Proctor >bass trombone >University of New Mexico -- ========================= Dr. J. Wayne Dyess, Professor of Music Lamar University Music Department P. O. Box 10044 Beaumont, Texas 77710 409-880-8146 FAX: 409-880-8143 dyessjw@hal.lamar.edu http://www.lamar.edu ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:18:29 -0600 From: "Jeffrey Albert" To: , "'Trombones and related issues forum.'" Subject: RE: Weather Message-ID: <003101c1aab5$f9cc41c0$ea209d42@user> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The only handling of ice that we do in New Orleans is to put it in a glass. Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of william david proctor Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 4:56 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Weather Last night a major winter storm hit much of the southwestern United States. Other than everything opening two hours late because of snow and ice, didn't impact my schedule too much. It did start me thinking of what might be an interesting dicussion topic: what preparations do you make when bad weather (snow, heavy rain, etc.) is forecast? This includes adjustments you make to your car, instrument, case, accessories, anything else that affects your ability to get to your destination and perform. For instance, people who live way up north probably know how to handle snow and ice better than those of us from the south. (I know, if the weather's REALLY bad, sometimes the gig is cancelled and it makes no difference....) David Proctor bass trombone University of New Mexico ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:36:16 -0700 From: Phil Burton To: dproctor@unm.edu, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Weather Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020131173321.00a95d70@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_37303025==_.ALT" Ok, you southern "ding dongs" knock it off. "were havn' a heat wave" with temps in the 30's this week. Snow and ice brings out the animal (and I don't mean sheep) in many of the Montana drivers. Phil ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:46:17 -0800 From: "Rod Ellard" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Weather Message-ID: <003901c1aab9$dd2fe5e0$61cffea9@rodcomp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01C1AA76.CD83E300" From the Great White North: Your bad winter weather is our good winter weather. Rod ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:45:34 -0600 From: "David Pozos" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Weather Message-ID: <000f01c1aab9$c30c00e0$4bc2180a@xal.megared.net.mx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Here in the tropics we have what are known as "nortes", gale force winds. We usually take a roll of packing tape to the gig to tape down the music stand to the floor even if it is inside. A door can open and the rush of wind can toss everything on the floor. Also if we have heat wave conditions you must use talcum powder in all "those places". If we want snow we go to the nearest volcano! David Pozos Primer Tromb—n Orquesta Sinf—nica de Xalapa www.sinfonicadexalapa.com ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "william david proctor" Para: "Trombones and related issues forum." Enviado: Jueves, 31 de Enero de 2002 04:56 p.m. Asunto: Weather > Last night a major winter storm hit much of the southwestern United States. > Other than everything opening two hours late because of snow and ice, > didn't impact my schedule too much. It did start me thinking of what might > be an interesting dicussion topic: what preparations do you make when bad > weather (snow, heavy rain, etc.) is forecast? This includes adjustments you > make to your car, instrument, case, accessories, anything else that affects > your ability to get to your destination and perform. For instance, people > who live way up north probably know how to handle snow and ice better than > those of us from the south. (I know, if the weather's REALLY bad, sometimes > the gig is cancelled and it makes no difference....) > > David Proctor > bass trombone > University of New Mexico ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:02:54 -0600 From: "Richard Johnson" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: NYT: Black Musician, Beaten by Spanish Police, to Miss Concert Message-ID: <001b01c1aabc$2e523e80$f83b84ac@zemry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw the post below on the trumpet newsgroup. Subject: Re: Trumpet player assaulted! From: "Jose Jimenez" Moon1956@worldnet.att.net Date: 1/31/02 2:54 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: This is a note sent to Rob Roy Mcgregor by Rodney Mack. -------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 5:30 AM Subject: barcelona attack Hi Rob, I just wanted to write to let you know what happened to me recently here in Barcelona. I was attacked by 4 unidentified men while picking up a rental car in Barcelona. This happened on Tuesday , January 15, 2002. In the end the attackers ended up being policemen (dressed in jeans and leather jackets) with no visible ID. I had just come from teaching class in the Conservatory and a rehearsal for our orchestra tour. I was in an underground parking structure where there is a rental car company called Easyrent-a- Car. I had just arranged my papers, left the office and walked about 15 yards to my car when in my peripheral vision I saw some one moving towards me. The next thing I knew there were at least two people grabbing me and they were not saying anything. My first thought was that they wanted my wallet so I shouted out in Spanish and English "take my wallet" when they made no move to take my ring or wallet or anything and when I saw that it was a group of young guys in leather jackets and jeans I started thinking that I was being attacked by some sort of racial group or some one who was simply out to do physical damage to me. I know that they were hitting me with some sort of stick and grabbed my neck . I started screaming " I am a citizen of the United States" in english and spanish. After they had done the damage, (many large bruises, cut lip, elbow, neck trauma) I heard some one saying "policia!". I really was just wondering why these attackers were saying police and it was only when I saw the handcuffs that I started to have some hope that they were police and not vandals or terrorist attackers. Once handcuffed, I asked them why did you do this to me? They said, at some point, that they were looking for a man of color that was stealing cars. So, I told them that I was the principal trumpet player of the Barcelona Symphony Orchestra here in Catalunya. I asked them hadn't they seen my face on TV, or on the posters that had been hanging up all over the city? While being handcuffed, I showed them my trumpets which were in the car. When they looked at my trumpets in the rental car , they still did not believe that I was who I said I was. They proceeded to take me to the police station because they said that I attacked their group and that I resisted police arrest. Once they told me that they were looking for a "person of color who was stealing cars" I asked them what other description they had and they just said "person of color". I asked what other physical characteristics did they have as a description? (height, build, weight, complexion, hair color, length of hair, facial characteristics, ect.) They replied by saying no, we were looking for a colored man who was stealing cars. I made it clear to them that I was sure that I was being mugged or worse because they showed no ID and did not say the word police until they had already wrestled me to the ground and beat me. They said absolutely nothing while beating me . By the time we got to the police station I saw that they were beginning to see that I was not who they were looking for and that I was simply trying to escape a bunch of guys who jumped me. At the station I heard their boss on the phone say that they had the Principal Trumpet player from the Barcelona symphony and that they wanted to do the paper work as fast as possible so that I could go. They had taken me to a hospital, but since the nurse thought I was a criminal she barely looked at me. Finally a lawyer arrived at the station and I made my statement and they let me go. In the end, they were telling me that they thought they were controlled because they didn't break any bones, nor did they shoot me. When I made my statement, I made it clear that at no moment did I see a badge. I think that they were so sure that they had their "man of color" they did not bother trying to talk to me first. They just jumped on me. Once they let me go I went to the orchestra hall and called a neighbor to take me to the hospital He picked Karen up and brought me to the hospital where they took note of the bruises on my legsbuttocks, and back, my cut lip, and the fact that it hurt to move my neck. After giving me a neckbrace and some medicine for the pain, they let us come home. These undercover officers started to say I was trying to run away but later ended up saying that they understood that I thought they were attacking me for money or otherwise. My neighbor likes to say that Spain fights for human rights, but tonight I felt completely invaded and that they saw one thing "un hombre de color". I am supposed to go on tour as principal trumpet with the Barcelona Symphony Orchestra this coming Monday, (January 21) to the US. We are to play in halls in Miami, Gainesville, Orlando, Williamsburg, Kennedy Center, DC, and Carnegie Hall in NY. I will not be able play on this tour. And, my concerts with Karen have been put in jeopardy this coming month. Will you pass this story on to as many people as you see fit. In the meantime, the American Consulate has taken action, and we are currently being advised by lawyers. We will keep you posted to events. There has been a big uprising of support from thousands of citizens here in Spain, and outside, and from hundreds of musicians. It hit the papers and tv stations and radio broadcasts on Thursday morning. We have had every TV station and news reporter here in our house taking pictures of the contusions on my body. There have many articles in the Spanish national press showing support and solidarity. I am really just hoping that something can be done so that this does not happen to anyone else. We are all human beings and no one deserves to be treated otherwise. I hope all is going well with you and I look foward to corresponding with you about happier subjects. : ) Rodney **************************************************************************** ** Richard Zemry Johnson, Jr. "The Untouchables" Jazz Ensemble Shreveport Metropolitan Concert Band ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, , "There won't come a time when you won't have to practice anymore." J. J. Johnson **************************************************************************** ***** I'm not satisfied with anything about my playing. I know what I want. I can hear it; but it will take time and study to get it" -Sonny Rollins (1956) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 01:05:07 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Weather Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed The only handling of ice that we do in New Orleans is to put it in a glass. Jeff, Snow is that white stuff inside those glass balls with Christmas scenes in them. Evidently, someone shook the northern Mid-West, and itâs going to take a while for all that snow to settle down, again. DanP _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:50:53 -0600 From: "Billy Cordova" To: Cc: "Trombone-L" Subject: Re: Weather Message-ID: <002901c1aac2$e3ba4fa0$34294c42@coxinternet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wayne, you know 'snow' a contraction for is no as in "snow skin off my back"! ;-) Billy Cordova I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it - Voltaire St. Cecelia, pray for us. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Dyess" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:41 PM Subject: Re: Weather > > Howdy from Southeast Texas. > > Whut is snow and ice????? > > :-) > > Wayne > > > > At 3:56 PM -0700 1/31/02, william david proctor wrote: > >Last night a major winter storm hit much of the southwestern United > >States. Other than everything opening two hours late because of snow > >and ice, didn't impact my schedule too much. It did start me > >thinking of what might be an interesting dicussion topic: what > >preparations do you make when bad weather (snow, heavy rain, etc.) > >is forecast? This includes adjustments you make to your car, > >instrument, case, accessories, anything else that affects your > >ability to get to your destination and perform. For instance, > >people who live way up north probably know how to handle snow and > >ice better than those of us from the south. (I know, if the > >weather's REALLY bad, sometimes the gig is cancelled and it makes no > >difference....) > > > >David Proctor > >bass trombone > >University of New Mexico > > -- > ========================= > Dr. J. Wayne Dyess, Professor of Music > Lamar University Music Department > P. O. Box 10044 > Beaumont, Texas 77710 > 409-880-8146 > FAX: 409-880-8143 > dyessjw@hal.lamar.edu > http://www.lamar.edu > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:07:21 -0600 From: "Bill Dinwiddie" To: "Trombone List" Subject: The Book Message-ID: <005101c1aac5$2eec4580$5a34f90c@attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry White, Please send me your E-Mail address and I will E-Mail you "The Book". Bill Dinwiddie bill752d@attbi.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:48:36 -0600 From: "Richard Johnson" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Physical size as related to big sound Message-ID: <004701c1aaca$f2867ba0$f83b84ac@zemry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was looking at Doug Yeo's Super Bowl diary and noticed how slim he seemed. I would have expected a bass trombonist, especially one with the big sound of Doug's, to be a bigger person. If it is not too personal, Doug...what is your height and weight? If the question is entirely too personal, I apologize in advance, Doug! As an aside, does size matter when playing a trombone? **************************************************************************** ** Richard Zemry Johnson, Jr. "The Untouchables" Jazz Ensemble Shreveport Metropolitan Concert Band ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, , "There won't come a time when you won't have to practice anymore." J. J. Johnson **************************************************************************** ***** I'm not satisfied with anything about my playing. I know what I want. I can hear it; but it will take time and study to get it" -Sonny Rollins (1956) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:47:17 -0800 From: Galen Zinn To: Trombone List Post Subject: Test Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit My Posts haven't been coming through to me. Galen ZinnÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ E-mail: zinger@musician.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:05:31 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Physical size as related to big sound Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020131224018.00ba16d8@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:48 PM 1/31/2002 -0600, zemry@bellsouth.net wrote: As an aside, does size matter when playing a trombone? Sure, lung capacity helps. If all the other 1000 variables are equal, then the player with the greater lung capacity will be superior. But fortunately those other 1000 variables aren't equal. I am a tenor trombonist who has more dates on bass than tenor these days. I've only been playing the bass for 2-1/2 years. For the first 18 months, I felt extremely inadequate. I felt like I could never complete a musical phrase for lack of air. Then I started watching others more closely. I observed that a large percentage of bass trombonists don't really try to make complete musical phrases. The approach is often "poot poot poot", breathing whenever to make notes loud enough to be heard. That didn't really help my outlook because I wanted to be able to make musical phrases just like the rest of the instruments. So I have kept observing. Here are four things that I have found helpful. 1) Don't use a mouthpiece that is excessively large. The bigger the cup the muddier the sound. With a muddy sound, you have to play three times harder to have your voice heard. Cup size and muddiness is a relative thing, of course, but a person shouldn't go to a large piece just because of peer pressure. 2) Don't spend all the air on the first 1/10 second. Most passages aren't marked FFFF with accent marks. Putting the bell up where the sound can get through and playing in a more reserved manner does wonders. 3) Breathe in the "resonance holes". Unless you are playing a cappella, with an audience 10 feet from you, you can snatch tiny little breaths in the middle of the phrase. These days, I try to keep the lungs at least 60% full all the time unless there is a rest within the next measure. Treat the breath marks as phrasing suggestions. Don't wait for the marks to recharge your lungs. A quick breath is barely noticeable by experts, but if you run short of air before the end of the phrase, everybody can hear that and know it is wrong. 4) Circular breathing. This is the final frontier. The bass consumes so much air that it is quite difficult to use circular breathing. I can't do it well enough to play continuously, nor can I do it effectively below the staff. What I am trying to get working well is the ability to do CB on whole notes at the end of a phrase to allow me to hold the note as long as indicated or directed. I'm getting to where the technique is usually good enough to be an improvement over the alternatives (having the tone die off, or taking an obvious breath in the middle of a sustained note). I'm hoping that it will be really seamless (for all notes on the staff and above) in another 4 or 5 months. IMHO, all other things being equal (there's that impossible condition again), a person who can do these techniques will outperform a player who has 40% more lung capacity. But that's true of everything on the trombone. It isn't the person with the biggest face muscles who has the best range and it isn't the person with the strongest arms who has the fastest slide technique. Just my opinion, Craig ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:04:03 -0800 From: Larry White To: DyessJW@hal.lamar.edu Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Weather Message-ID: <3C5A13B3.32D14924@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wayne Dyess wrote: > Howdy from Southeast Texas. > > Whut is snow and ice????? > Stuff that comes down from Alaska and spoils our beautiful green season in January here in British Columbia so you can't go outside to play your trombone withour defrosting the slide with wood alcohol! ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:26:02 -0600 From: "Dean McCarty" To: "Trombones and related issues forum" Subject: Dallas Church Instrumental Conference Message-ID: <000001c1aad9$38f526a0$fb0960cc@compaqcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1AAA6.4414EE40" For those on the list that may be attending this... My wife (also a trombonist), and I will be attending the Church Instrumental Expo in Euless, Tx. (Dallas area) at the First Baptist Church of Euless Feb. 1 - 2. This is a very big event that has a large instrumental gathering of between 300 and 400 church orchestra members and leaders. I hope to see some off of the list there. From what I have been told there were approx. 40 - 50 trombonists there. I'll keep my eyes out for familiar names. Dean McCarty freelance trombonist, Houston area ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:43:53 EST From: Sldtbn@aol.com To: bassbone@exp.net, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Dallas Church Instrumental Conference Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f5.16474c86.298b7709_boundary" Hey, I wish I could attend, my brother got married in that church! ÊToo bad I live in Chicago! Tom S ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:51:08 -0600 From: "Dan Maslowski" To: "'Trombones and related issues forum.'" Subject: RE: Physical size as related to big sound Message-ID: <000401c1aadc$10251fc0$9a022a0a@dmaslo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have to reply to this, because I just heard a lecture today from my Orchestra director ranting and raving about how big this Bass Trombonists sound was in Pittsburgh Symphony a while back. He said his nickname was "Tiny" because he was a midget or something of the sorts. Anyhow, supposedly had the biggest sound he ever heard out of a bass trombonist. So, I think there is much to be said about lung capacity. It's like Arnold Jacobs said it, it's not how much you have, it's HOW you use it. -Dan Maslowski -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of Craig Parmerlee Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 10:06 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Physical size as related to big sound At 08:48 PM 1/31/2002 -0600, zemry@bellsouth.net wrote: >As an aside, does size matter when playing a trombone? Sure, lung capacity helps. If all the other 1000 variables are equal, then the player with the greater lung capacity will be superior. But fortunately those other 1000 variables aren't equal. I am a tenor trombonist who has more dates on bass than tenor these days. I've only been playing the bass for 2-1/2 years. For the first 18 months, I felt extremely inadequate. I felt like I could never complete a musical phrase for lack of air. Then I started watching others more closely. I observed that a large percentage of bass trombonists don't really try to make complete musical phrases. The approach is often "poot poot poot", breathing whenever to make notes loud enough to be heard. That didn't really help my outlook because I wanted to be able to make musical phrases just like the rest of the instruments. So I have kept observing. Here are four things that I have found helpful. 1) Don't use a mouthpiece that is excessively large. The bigger the cup the muddier the sound. With a muddy sound, you have to play three times harder to have your voice heard. Cup size and muddiness is a relative thing, of course, but a person shouldn't go to a large piece just because of peer pressure. 2) Don't spend all the air on the first 1/10 second. Most passages aren't marked FFFF with accent marks. Putting the bell up where the sound can get through and playing in a more reserved manner does wonders. 3) Breathe in the "resonance holes". Unless you are playing a cappella, with an audience 10 feet from you, you can snatch tiny little breaths in the middle of the phrase. These days, I try to keep the lungs at least 60% full all the time unless there is a rest within the next measure. Treat the breath marks as phrasing suggestions. Don't wait for the marks to recharge your lungs. A quick breath is barely noticeable by experts, but if you run short of air before the end of the phrase, everybody can hear that and know it is wrong. 4) Circular breathing. This is the final frontier. The bass consumes so much air that it is quite difficult to use circular breathing. I can't do it well enough to play continuously, nor can I do it effectively below the staff. What I am trying to get working well is the ability to do CB on whole notes at the end of a phrase to allow me to hold the note as long as indicated or directed. I'm getting to where the technique is usually good enough to be an improvement over the alternatives (having the tone die off, or taking an obvious breath in the middle of a sustained note). I'm hoping that it will be really seamless (for all notes on the staff and above) in another 4 or 5 months. IMHO, all other things being equal (there's that impossible condition again), a person who can do these techniques will outperform a player who has 40% more lung capacity. But that's true of everything on the trombone. It isn't the person with the biggest face muscles who has the best range and it isn't the person with the strongest arms who has the fastest slide technique. Just my opinion, Craig ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:52:53 -0800 From: Galen Zinn To: Trombone List Post Subject: Cotton Carpet Binding "Burns" Out Your Slide Sludge Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This was demonstrated to me last Tuesday by John Brummel, a local trombone instructor. It did seem to improve the freeness of my slide movement enough that I plan to try it on other slides. Wind enough clean cotton carpet binding (1" - 1 1/4" width) around your trombone slide cleaning rod so that the bound rod fits rather snugly (tightly) into your outer slide. Pump the bound rod back and forth inside your outer slide so that it is creating heat from friction within about a 6" section of the slide. This 6" portion of the slide will get quite hot to the touch. Continue this procedure until you have created this hot friction throughout the entire length of the outer slide. The heat and friction will "burn" off any accumulated residues and polish the inner surface of your outer slide. Apply your usual lubrication and you are back in business. Is this something that any of the rest of you already knew about? If you want to try it, you'd better find a local Ma and Pa carpet shop soon and buy a spool of cotton carpet binding. Most carpet companies have now changed over to nylon binding. The cotton binding may be hard to find. I found a role in a dusty old cabinet in a local carpet warehouse. They sold me a 200 yard spool of it for $20.00; this will probably be more than enough to last a lifetime. I figure I can wash and reuse the same piece of binding for multiple "burnings". You be the judge, was this worth 2¢ or 5¢? Galen ZinnÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ E-mail: zinger@musician.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:00:25 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Fwd: Weather Message-ID: <163.8108964.298b7ae9@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_163.8108964.298b7ae9_boundary" In a message dated 1/31/02 11:53:02 PM US Eastern Standard Time, BJMCHAFFIE writes: Thought I would just send this to Wayne at first but after reading some of the replies maybe yall ought to get a copy. The Calumet Region is Chicago and points around Lake Michigan and "Rilla is Amarilla TX. << Subj: Re: Weather Date: 1/31/02 11:53:02 PM US Eastern Standard Time From: BJMCHAFFIE To: DyessJW@hal.lamar.edu Whin th sky turn dark blue at "rillo an yu can see the bottom uf th cr in frnt of u bye lookin' at the concrete unnerneath it. thin. yuz got ahhhhhce .. when it turn white yuz got sno. In the Calumet Region along Ridge Road east and west they got three inches of ice with 7 inches of snow on top and more coming down. It just missed us in Laugh A Lot Indiana. Thank God. beldon wade >> Return-path: From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com Full-name: BJMCHAFFIE Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:53:02 EST Subject: Re: Weather To: DyessJW@hal.lamar.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 124 Whin th sky turn dark blue at "rillo an yu can see the bottom uf th cr in frnt of u bye lookin' at the concrete unnerneath it. thin. yuz got ahhhhhce .. when it turn white yuz got sno. In the Calumet Region along Ridge Road east and west they got three inches of ice with 7 inches of snow on top and more coming down. It just missed us in Laugh A Lot Indiana. Thank God. beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:33:56 +0100 From: Marius HelgŒ To: "'trombone-l@po.missouri.edu'" Subject: RE: Weather Message-ID: <1C5C11BC642AD41199DA00508BA5451F011E365E@victoria.nb.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Here in Mo i Rana, Norway (44 miles south of the arctic circle), we had a major cold period at the start of this year, with temperatures dropping down towards -30 degrees centigrade. In such cases there are just one thing to do, let the trombone stay at home, and don't even think of playing outdoors. Under the torchcarrying around in Norway before the 1994 olympic winter games, my school band was going to play som e marches outdoors, but with temperatures down to -15 degrees centigrade, after 3-4 bars, the only instruments still playing was the drums... Marius Bass Trombone Mo i Rana, Norway ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:18:42 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Physical size as related to big sound Message-ID: <00b201c1ab0a$3c99a750$929afc3e@homedmpbgvaomg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Richard Johnson" > If it is not too personal, Doug...what is > your height and weight? If the question is entirely too personal, I > apologize in advance, Doug! Having met Doug in Manchester, England for the first time last August, I can tell you that he is small framed, but big hearted. Adrian ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:18:47 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Weather Message-ID: <00b301c1ab0a$3ff2e470$929afc3e@homedmpbgvaomg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "Marius HelgŒ" > Under the torchcarrying around in Norway before the 1994 olympic winter > games, my school band was going to play som e marches outdoors, but with > temperatures down to -15 degrees centigrade, after 3-4 bars, the only > instruments still playing was the drums... And that was two bars after the drummers had died of hypothermia. Adrian ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:19:55 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: "Wayne Dyess" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Weather Message-ID: <00b401c1ab0a$426e92d0$929afc3e@homedmpbgvaomg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Wayne Dyess" > Howdy from Southeast Texas. > > Whut is snow and ice????? Ice is what you put in your whiskey. Snow is what you stick up your nose. Whut is sunshine? Adrian ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 05:24:27 -0600 From: "David Morrow" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Dallas Church Instrumental Conference Message-ID: <004301c1ab13$0260a120$74a33fd0@davidmor> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01C1AAE0.B793D680" There will be two more of these events - One in Atlanta and one in Charlotte, North Carolina. The organization's website is http://www.instrumentalexpo.com. Some from my church band will be attending the one in Atlanta. David Morrow Mobile, Alabama ----- Original Message ----- From: Dean McCarty To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 10:26 PM Subject: Dallas Church Instrumental Conference For those on the list that may be attending this... My wife (also a trombonist), and I will be attending the Church Instrumental Expo in Euless, Tx. (Dallas area) at the First Baptist Church of Euless Feb. 1 - 2. This is a very big event that has a large instrumental gathering of between 300 and 400 church orchestra members and leaders. I hope to see some off of the list there. From what I have been told there were approx. 40 - 50 trombonists there. I'll keep my eyes out for familiar names. Dean McCarty freelance trombonist, Houston area ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 07:43:42 -0500 From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL To: slide.rule@adios.co.uk, jalbert@bellsouth.net, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: medical pitch question Message-ID: <81F62454EA21B94EA95517180D7303730243F805@lee-is-102.lee.army.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1AB1E.1454E0C0" Adrian, Yes, This also works for figuring out what position to play a note in, I always bring a Hewlet-Packard calculator to rehearsal in case we get a weird key signature and I don't know how to finger the notes.Ê I never tried cutting a horn in half because it was easier to move the slide, but if you're having a problem, Adrian, I have one word for you. Duct tape. Ooops, that's two.Ê You do have to be a little careful with those formulas because the length that determines the pitch is effective length, not measured physical length, and that can vary somewhat because of edge effects (where exactly is the end of the bell to the sound wave?) -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Drover [mailto:slide.rule@adios.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 4:27 AM To: jalbert@bellsouth.net; Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: medical pitch question From: Jeffrey Albert What formula did you use to calculate if C=256 then A=431?Ê A = 256*2^(9/12) = 430.539 The above formula is based on the fact that if you multiply the cps (hertz) of any pitch by theÊ12th root of 2, you willÊarrive atÊthe cps of the pitch a semitone above (in Equal Temperament). If you do the same calculationÊ12 times you reach the octave. This particular A is 9 semitones above C=256. QED. The same formula can be used to calculate the tube length required to produce that note, only in reverse (divide instead of multiply). eg. If you have an 8' trombone in C and you want to cut it down to be a Soprano in A, it would need to be 8/2^(9/12) feet long. I just tried it with my trombone, now I can't play the bloody thing. Anyone know how toÊstick the two bitsÊtogether again? Adrian. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 06:58:12 -0600 From: Barry Green To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: hand brace Message-ID: <591B2CA0-1713-11D6-A92E-0003934114D8@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Listers, I find myself practicing more bass and large bore tenor trombone these days and am having many hand cramps from holding my horns and using the triggers. I'm wondering who makes braces for horns like these. We have a great repairman here but I'd love to take him something ready to install. I have a bach 42ow and a benge 290 bass trombone. They sure make my small bore tenor feel good! Barry Green pea shooter at heart ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 08:33:56 -0500 From: Brian French To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: hand brace Message-ID: <3C5A9944.8020007@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barry, Gary Greenhoe (www.greenhoe.com) makes a rest bar that sits in the "meat" between your thumb and index finger. It really makes a difference, to me it makes the horn feel considerably lighter than it is. It comes with a felt-lined clamp so that you can try different placements, find out what's comfortable for you, and then take it to your repairman to solder in place. Edwards (www.edwards-instruments.com) has come out with the "Bullet Brace" which is also very comfortable. Both are about $100. --Brian Barry Green wrote: Listers, I find myself practicing more bass and large bore tenor trombone these days and am having many hand cramps from holding my horns and using the triggers. I'm wondering who makes braces for horns like these. We have a great repairman here but I'd love to take him something ready to install. I have a bach 42ow and a benge 290 bass trombone. They sure make my small bore tenor feel good! Barry Green pea shooter at heart ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:54:43 -0500 From: "Denver D. Seifried" To: "Trombone - List" Subject: Re:Hand Brace Message-ID: <000f01c1ab28$012ca870$24077fd8@dseifried> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Edwards "Bullet Brace" at the present time will not fit a Bach trombone, as there is a difference in bell brace tubing diameters between the two brands of trombones. I wanted to install one on my Bach 50B3 and contacted Edwards several months ago and found this information. According to Edwards, on their next production run of the "Bullet", there will a Bach size made. The one nice thing about the "Bullet" is its ability to be removable, as it is not soldered on to the bell brace, and uses a set screw mounting system. I have a student who has the Greenhoe Rest Bar on his Bach 50B3, and is very satisfied with it. On either this list or the trombone forum, there is a member, Alan Charlesworth, who can supply diagrams for a rest bar made from readily available parts from hardware stores, at quite a cost savings. Maybe someone can supply his email address. Denny Seifried Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Symphony & Dayton Jazz Orchestra Adjunct Trombone-Wittenberg Univ. Dept. of Music ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:35:59 -0600 From: Barry Green To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Thanks Message-ID: <0297DAB9-1721-11D6-9D7D-0003934114D8@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to all who replied about the brace. The solution is at hand so to speak. Now, how about a linkage conversion for my Benge 290 bass trombone. This horn plays great for me (I'm really a small bore tenor player) but the linkage is awful. Again, it would be great to find something I could order and have my repairman install because it's hard for me to be without it because I never know when I'm going to have to double on a session. (My kids always want food in the house, go figure.) Barry ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:11:40 -0600 From: "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Weather Message-ID: <47763CCCA27C4F4FA4BEF7DDB754A1E71249DF@marshall.jmls.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain > Here in Mo i Rana, Norway (44 miles south of the arctic circle), we had a > major cold period at the start of this year, with temperatures dropping > down > towards -30 degrees centigrade. > > In such cases there are just one thing to do, let the trombone stay at > home, > and don't even think of playing outdoors. > > Under the torchcarrying around in Norway before the 1994 olympic winter > games, my school band was going to play som e marches outdoors, but with > temperatures down to -15 degrees centigrade, after 3-4 bars, the only > instruments still playing was the drums... > > Marius > Bass Trombone > Mo i Rana, Norway > I haven't seen "centigrade" in years and years. Someone over here decided that the world would be a better place to live if we started calling it Celsius. (I can't see that it's made much difference.) -30C = -19F, still a few degrees warmer than Chicago's record low temperature. -15C = 5 F. Not -5, but 5. That close to the Arctic Circle, I'm almost surprised it didn't feel like a heat wave. Still, I wouldn't attempt to play outdoors in below freezing temperatures even with a plastic mouthpiece. This has been a weird winter. Here in Chicago, we had hardly any measurable snow at all until a week ago, and that was soon gone. Then night before last we got over a foot. I just hope Mother Nature doesn't try to make up for lost time. ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ David Guion, Cataloging Librarian The John Marshall Law School 315 S. Plymouth Ct. Chicago, IL 60604 Voice: (312) 427-2737 x 552 Fax; (312) 427-8307 8guion@jmls.edu Should part-time band directors be called semi-conductors? Quidquid latine dictum sit, profundum viditur. ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 10:44:10 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re:Hand Brace Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020201103220.00b4dd98@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:54 AM 2/1/2002 -0500, Denver D. Seifried wrote: The Edwards "Bullet Brace" at the present time will not fit a Bach trombone, as there is a difference in bell brace tubing diameters between the two brands of trombones. I wanted to install one on my Bach 50B3 and contacted Edwards several months ago and found this information. According to Edwards, on their next production run of the "Bullet", there will a Bach size made. If the Bach tubing has a larger diameter, a person with a Dremel tool and some patience should be able to adapt the Bullet to fit. I don't know how big the Bach tube is, but there is some room to work on the Bullet. I suppose this is a very personal thing. I have the Edwards Stegeman bar on my bass. It is similar to the Greenhoe rest, although less elegant looking. I like it fine. I recently put the Edwards Bullet on my tenor with F. Although there is a fine range of adjustment, every setting felt awkward to me. I finally figured out that the balance of the horn is such that it wants to roll to the left. When using the Stegeman bar or the Greenhoe rest, that rolling action seats the bar more firmly into the left hand, which is a good thing. With the bullet, the bar approaches from the left side of the hand. The angle that the bar is bent at the factory made it feel to me as if the horn was always trying to get away. I found myself gripping the slide just as if I had no bar. I went into the workshop and changed the angles of the bends in the bar. That helped a lot. Now it feels similar to the Stegeman bar. I'm not sure that the factory could adopt my fix directly because my modifications reduce the range of adjustment. It works better for me, but maybe the next person would need something different. Regardless of which solution you choose, definitely get something. There is no reason for us to punish ourselves. Cheers, Craig ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:56:52 -0500 From: "Dave Wank" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Cotton Carpet Binding "Burns" Out Your Slide Sludge Message-ID: <000f01c1ab39$1e1283e0$a598fea9@computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To me this sounds like a very invasive tactic! I have been using a similar approach by using cotton sheeting, torn in about 8" strips and wrapped around the cleaning rod, to merely wipe the inside of the outer slide. In over a year of such technique I never find any black residue in my slides (2) and lube (SuperSlick and SS Plus - ala Slide Dr.) lasts up to two two-hour rehearsals with practice in between! I don't believe heating the slide, by friction, will generate enough heat to do anything worthwhile but it sure will be an added opportunity to do some damage if the rod strays much from center. Dave Wank ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:55:29 EST From: REOnofreyJ@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Fwd: Weather Message-ID: <16e.81bc41f.298c1471@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_16e.81bc41f.298c1471_boundary" In a message dated 02/01/2002 10:13:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, 8guion@jmls.edu writes: Still, I wouldn't attempt to play outdoors in below freezing temperatures even with a plastic mouthpiece In college, here in the northeastern US, we often played outdoors in subfreezing temperatures. ÊThe only equipment change I ever made was to clean the slide, and use oil as a lubricant, and keep air continually moving through the horn to keep it warm. ÊOh, and when I wasn't playing, I would stick the mouthpiece in the pocket of my pants to keep it warm. ÊNever had a problem except trying to clean all that gunky oil off the slide afterwards. -Rick Onofrey Return-Path: Received: from rly-xe03.mx.aol.com (rly-xe03.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.195]) by air-xe04.mail.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINXE45-0201101335; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 10:13:35 -0500 Received: from po.missouri.edu (po.missouri.edu [128.206.12.137]) by rly-xe03.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXE32-0201101312; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 10:13:12 -0500 Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by po.missouri.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g11FDBC26121; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:13:11 -0600 Received: from marshall.jmls.edu (unknown.Level3.net [63.215.123.243] (may be forged)) by po.missouri.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g11FCsC26046 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:12:54 -0600 Received: by marshall.jmls.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:11:41 -0600 Message-Id: <47763CCCA27C4F4FA4BEF7DDB754A1E71249DF@marshall.jmls.edu> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:11:40 -0600 Reply-To: 8guion@jmls.edu Sender: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Weather MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-To: "Trombones and related issues forum." X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > Here in Mo i Rana, Norway (44 miles south of the arctic circle), we had a > major cold period at the start of this year, with temperatures dropping > down > towards -30 degrees centigrade. > > In such cases there are just one thing to do, let the trombone stay at > home, > and don't even think of playing outdoors. > > Under the torchcarrying around in Norway before the 1994 olympic winter > games, my school band was going to play som e marches outdoors, but with > temperatures down to -15 degrees centigrade, after 3-4 bars, the only > instruments still playing was the drums... > > Marius > Bass Trombone > Mo i Rana, Norway > I haven't seen "centigrade" in years and years. Someone over here decided that the world would be a better place to live if we started calling it Celsius. (I can't see that it's made much difference.) -30C = -19F, still a few degrees warmer than Chicago's record low temperature. -15C = 5 F. Not -5, but 5. That close to the Arctic Circle, I'm almost surprised it didn't feel like a heat wave. Still, I wouldn't attempt to play outdoors in below freezing temperatures even with a plastic mouthpiece. This has been a weird winter. Here in Chicago, we had hardly any measurable snow at all until a week ago, and that was soon gone. Then night before last we got over a foot. I just hope Mother Nature doesn't try to make up for lost time. ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ David Guion, Cataloging Librarian The John Marshall Law School 315 S. Plymouth Ct. Chicago, IL 60604 Voice: (312) 427-2737 x 552 Fax; (312) 427-8307 8guion@jmls.edu Should part-time band directors be called semi-conductors? Quidquid latine dictum sit, profundum viditur. ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:46:58 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: <8guion@jmls.edu>, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Weather Message-ID: <016401c1ab48$c34d42a0$929afc3e@homedmpbgvaomg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> . -15C = 5 F. Not > -5, but 5. That close to the Arctic Circle, I'm almost surprised it didn't > feel like a heat wave. The west coasts of Scotland and Norway get free central heating, all the way from the Mexican Gulf. Very rarely touches freezing here. Just rains a lot. Adrian ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:48:02 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: medical pitch question Message-ID: <016501c1ab48$c6f90c90$929afc3e@homedmpbgvaomg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0158_01C1AB48.98564470" From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL This also works for figuring out what position to play a note in, I always bring a Hewlet-Packard calculator to rehearsal in case we get a weird key signature and I don't know how to finger the notes.Ê I used to use a IBM main frame, but it took up too much room on the stage. I never tried cutting a horn in half because it was easier to move the slide, Now why on earth did I not think of that. You do have to be a little careful with those formulas You're not kiddin'. I just got your email reply in quadruplet and I couldn't figure out whichÊ3 to delete. because the length that determines the pitch is effective length, not measured physical length, and that can vary somewhat because of edge effects (where exactly is the end of the bell to the sound wave?) Well, if the sound wave is that dumb, I guess you couldÊalways clip a stop sign to the rim. Cheers, Adrian ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:56:59 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: medical pitch question Message-ID: <20020201175659.27133.qmail@web10305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Am I the only one who doesn't understand why there's a tuning fork in a doctor's office? Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2287--