TROMBONE-L Digest 2283 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Your Blues Name by "Adrian Drover" 2) Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions (Doublevalved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? by "Art Triggs" 3) Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions(Doublevalved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? by Eric & Candice Swanson 4) Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions (Doublevalved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? by "Gary D. Maxwell" 5) Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions by "Gary D. Maxwell" 6) Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions by "Dale J. Cruse" 7) Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions (Doublevalved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? by "Adrian Drover" 8) Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions by "Aaron Roth" 9) Re:alternate valves/slide positions & some Shires news by jimandcat@juno.com 10) Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions by "Gary D. Maxwell" 11) Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions(Doublevalved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? by Craig Parmerlee 12) valves by emrose79@pacbell.net 13) Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions by "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" 14) Beantown Bones to the SuperBowl by Douglas Yeo 15) Re: Beatles Tbne Quartet? by Jason Andrew Hooper 16) Re: Your Blues Name by "Dale J. Cruse" 17) Re: [TL]Re: Beatles Tbne Quartet? by Galen Zinn 18) Re: Your Blues Name by "Hector Bourg Jr." 19) Re: Beatles Tbne Quartet? by Greg Bergantz 20) Road to the Super Bowl OnLine Diary by Douglas Yeo 21) Re: Beantown Bones to the SuperBowl by "Richard Johnson" 22) Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions (Doublevalved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? by Gabriel Langfur 23) RE: Beantown Bones to the SuperBowl by "Jeffrey Albert" 24) Re: valves by Gabriel Langfur 25) New Web Site for Kevin Thompson by Brad Howland 26) Annie Whitehead by "Richard Johnson" 27) Possible Virus Recently Sent! by "Roger Carmichael" 28) Re: Beantown Bones to the SuperBowl by "Adrian Drover" 29) Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions(Doublevalved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? by "Adrian Drover" 30) alternate use of valves by "Charles Levine" 31) Re: Ritter gig bags by sgreatwood@goconnect.net (Simon Greatwood) 32) RE: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions (Double valved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? by richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL 33) RE: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions (Doublevalved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? by "Jeffrey Albert" 34) OTJ Classifieds Update - 1/28/2002 by Chris Waage 35) Re: Your blues name by "Tom C. Shaddox" 36) Split Lip by REOnofreyJ@aol.com 37) Brass Weekend 2002 by "Michael Clayville" 38) =?us-ascii?Q?RE=3A_To_use_or_not_to_use_alternate_valves=2Fsli?= =?us-ascii?Q?de_positions_=28Double=09valved_independent_F=2C_Gb_bass_?= by Steve Gamble 39) Re: Split Lip by Chris Waage 40) RE: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions (Double valved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? by Craig Parmerlee 41) RE: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions (Doublevalved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? by "Paul Johnston" 42) Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions (Doublevalved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? by "Dean McCarty" 43) Re: Split Lip by "Daniel Pliskin" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:06:18 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Your Blues Name Message-ID: <009201c1a75d$7f20aed0$0d90fc3e@homedmpbgvaomg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Your Blues Name From: Roger Carmichael > I'm "Skinny Bad-Boy Hopkins". I like that. That's not fair! You got 4 names, I only got 2. Quite like my Nawlins name tho'. Fat Dupree. Out of curiosity, I tried it out on my wife. I didn't think it would work as most of the names seem to relate to boys, but to my surprise, she turned out to be Pretty Lips Dupree. Very appropriate. Adrian ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:11:42 -0500 From: "Art Triggs" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions (Doublevalved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? Message-ID: <001001c1a766$75938730$f6a315ac@taz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all 1.Eliazar Aharoni (hope I spelled your name correctly) has a method that covers independant valve bass trombones some others can be adapted to F/Gb, or F/G very easily. There are others also, as I understand it at least....;-) Maybe some other listers can add their .02 also 2.About sound quality..., any note you play antwhere on the axe should match in tone qaulity no matter what slide/valve combination you use, obviously due to the physics of valves / tubing etc, some notes will be harder to do that with than others, so....experiment and do what works for you, that means practicing every posiible combination, choosing what works for you, then refining that until you sound the same no matter what valve/slide combination you use. ( easier said than done , naturally ) Art Triggs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Galen Zinn" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 11:18 AM Subject: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions (Doublevalved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? > I have yet to find a bass trombone method book that provides a thorough > discussion of or even general "rules of thumb" (no pun intended) on the pros > and cons of using alternate valve & slide positions on a bass trombone with > independent F & Gb valves. All of the books seem to have been written for an > instrument with either a single F valve, or one with two dependent valves. > Why is this? What has happened to the independent use of particularly the Gb > valve? Perhaps everyone feels more secure using the basic slide positions on > the open horn? If this is so, why bother putting two valves on the horn? > > The more I tinker and experiment with using the independent Gb valve, the > more I become convinced that it is even more useful than the F valve. Just > for starters, how about playing F's and C's in a long 2nd/short 3rd > position. Obviously, that's just the "tip of the iceberg". > > Yesterday I took a lesson from a very fine bass trombonist who believes that > fullness, beauty, and ease of tone production should always "win out" over > facility of slide movement. I agree that it is easier (more stable) to play > these notes on the open horn, but after considerable work, I feel that I > have gotten the valved notes to speak with almost identical richness and > quality of sound, so why not use them? Haven't French Hornists conquered the > same problem with no loss in the fullness and beauty of their tone quality? > > Should ease and stability of tone production always "win out" over a more > sensible sequence of slide movements? Why move the slide 4, 5, or 6 > positions when you can get the same note on the Gb valve with much less or > no slide movement at all? > > My 2¢ worth, > > Galen Zinn > E-mail: zinger@musician.org > > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 13:28:07 -0500 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions(Doublevalved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? Message-ID: <3C5446B7.CB769BB5@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > At 10:47 AM 1/27/2002 -0500, Eric & Candice Swanson wrote: > > All I ask is please don't use the valves above F in the staff! Craig Parmerlee wrote: >Not even to catch the Gb in first? Above that note, I agree with you. Craig, OK, but only for 16th notes. That reminds me of something that happened recently: A local player, a mostly self-taught bass trombonist who switched from tuba, had only played trombone on a Bb-F-Gb-D inline bass trombone. He played all his 5th position notes with the 2nd valve (Gb valve) and all his 6th and 7th position notes with the F valve, always had. I guess this was always OK until he decided to buy a straight tenor. I played a gig with him on his new tenor...he couldn't find any of the 5th, 6th, or 7th position notes because he'd literally never used those positions before. He's a good player, but had no idea where F#, C#, C, B, or low F were. Eric ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:11:37 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." , Subject: Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions (Doublevalved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? Message-ID: <000601c1a76e$d44c5ce0$44525d3f@garymaxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Eric & Candice Swanson" > You paid for the valves, use them. Use anything that makes the horn easier to > play. We all need any advantage we can get over the other bass trombone > players out there. > > All I ask is please don't use the valves above F in the > staff! ========================================================= Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it sure is fun, once and awhile, to rip off some scales as fast, or faster than those d--- trumpets. AND do it by not moving the slide! (:>)) Kinda makes those guys a little cross-eyed for a bit. Gary Maxwell ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:21:28 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions Message-ID: <000b01c1a770$344b2440$44525d3f@garymaxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Craig Parmerlee" > I'm with you, brother. The second valve is far more useful than the F > valve (and would be even more so if it were in G). ============================================== For your "almost a nickel", I'll throw in a FWIW. The Olds P24-G was an F and G triggered, independent valved instrument, and that was REALLY nice. Alas! The Bach 50B is not, and, also at an "advancing" age, that 1/2 step difference presents mental efforts that are tiring. (Whine & Sigh) BTW, the question came up last night, to an MD in our group, about the most recent advances on Arthritis control/relief. His very straight forward, with a wry smile added, was, "Just stop whining." So there ya go. Off to practicing and the "Blue Stuff". Gary Maxwell ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:28:55 -0500 From: "Dale J. Cruse" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions Message-ID: <012f01c1a771$3e21f380$70d92444@union1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Off to practicing and the "Blue Stuff". > > Gary Maxwell Viagra? Dale J. Cruse dale@dalecruse.com http://www.dalecruse.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:24:05 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions (Doublevalved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? Message-ID: <00b901c1a76e$6241dfd0$0d90fc3e@homedmpbgvaomg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Eric & Candice Swanson" > All I ask is please don't use the valves above F in the > staff! Why not? If I'm already in 1st, I find it convenient to play 4th space Gb in 1st. If I'm in 6th, then I'll play Gb in 5th. Adrian ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:40:06 -0500 From: "Aaron Roth" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed As a rule of thumb, I agree here, although I did just this thing once. On the final fast lick of Sonata Breve, at the descending D-Bb-G-E 16th notes, I hit the G in first (on Bb/F/G/Eb gigmaker) to make the slide motion much smoother. On my horn, the G valve is preferable to the F because the throw is shorter and the tone is reportedly indistinguishable, in addition to the coordination advantages. -Aaron Roth Basically, you don't need special books. You've already figured out the alternate positions, no doubt. Just practice them on the books you already have, play scales etc. All I ask is please don't use the valves above F in the staff! Eric Swanson _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:50:01 -0800 From: jimandcat@juno.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re:alternate valves/slide positions & some Shires news Message-ID: <20020127.125003.-494351.0.Jimandcat@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you got them, and you know how to use them, and they sound good. Why not? One of my students prefers the F/C notes with his Gb valve over the F valve. And don't forget low E/B (4th) and Eb (b5th) on the Gb--they can come in handy once and a while too. Right now I have 2 brand new Shires double valve sections that I am trying out--independent Greenhoes (F/Gb/D) and a dependent Greenhoes (F/D). I am also trying out Shires bass bone bells (as well as tuning slides and leadpipes). Here is what I have noticed so far: 1) The Indep. blows freer in the F attachment than the dep. but stuffier in the D (both valves) than the Dep., the Dep. blows freer overall. 2)No matter what bell I put on the Indep., there is a noticeable after-ring on several notes, some loud short notes have a 2+ second after-ring! 3)No matter which bell is on, the Indep. sound brighter and the Dep. sounds darker, could be weight or bracing. 4)Everyone listening prefers the tone quality of the Dep. in all registers, no matter which bells, tuning slides, or leadpipes are used (I agree, but the Indep still sounds pretty darn nice). 5)Greenhoe valves sound terrific, I think better than Thayers. Some of the notes on Thayers "I" have played have a strange timbre and occasionally weird intonation (that probably varies from instrument to instrument, and player to player). On the Greenhoes, there is a little blowback on low double valve notes, but I notice that on Thayers as well. They are faster, and I think help the response of even the open horn (I believe the ports are rounder than traditional rotors). But I do agree that a lot of good musicians make instruments with Thayers sound great. 6)I can use the upper C (middle C on piano) in 1st (F attach.) and even the B in certain instances, in 2nd. They match the open horn quite well and are very handy in passing tones and legato phrases. The combination I think I will end up with is the 2RLW bell, B tuning slide (C works well on low orchestral like stuff, but I think the B has a better pitch center), dependent Greenhoes, dual bore slide, B2.5 or B3 leadpipe. I am still waiting for a 1GT7 bell and a B3 leadpipe to try. But all combos and valves I tried, I could see matching up with certain players. Shires' bells and slides are fantastic! The valves and horn are so responsive, I am playing longer phrases with much less effort and plenty of projection. I am keeping my Minick/Bach as my big orchestra sound, but will use the Shires for everything else. All I would need to make it an orchestra horn is to get a heavy-duty bell. He is slow though. I was supposed to get all this stuff to try in early October (I ordered in July) and it is still trickling in. But he and his staff do great work, it is worth the wait. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:51:00 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions Message-ID: <002401c1a774$562206c0$44525d3f@garymaxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, No, NO! Muscle Pain relief ointment. Kinda like B-Gay. Sounds like more fun the other, though. (:>)) Gary Maxwell ==================== From: "Dale J. Cruse" > Viagra? ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:32:52 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions(Doublevalved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020127162749.00b92a90@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:28 PM 1/27/2002 -0500, Eric & Candice Swanson wrote: > At 10:47 AM 1/27/2002 -0500, Eric & Candice Swanson wrote: > > All I ask is please don't use the valves above F in the staff! Craig Parmerlee wrote: >Not even to catch the Gb in first? Above that note, I agree with you. Craig, OK, but only for 16th notes. I don't understand that advice. I don't believe there is any conductor or audience member who can tell the difference between my Gb in 1st (with the finger trigger) or 5th (open). I use the fingering that requires the least slide movement. Let's say a passage descends with A-Gb-E. If I take the A in 2nd position, then I'm definitely going to use the finger trigger -- for 32nd notes or double whole note. If I happen to take the A in 6th, then I'd play the passage 6-5-2 without either valve. I don't see why note length would make a difference. Just curious. Craig ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 13:29:01 -0800 From: emrose79@pacbell.net To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: valves Message-ID: <3C54711D.5210A1C4@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I have a question...I've heard great things about Greenhoe valves, esp compared to Thayers, but has anyone compared them to Rene Hagmanns? or does anyone have an opinion about the Hagmanns? Ed ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:32:14 -0500 (EST) From: "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" To: "Gary D. Maxwell" Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 27 Jan 2002, Gary D. Maxwell wrote: > No, No, NO! Muscle Pain relief ointment. Kinda like B-Gay. Sounds like > more fun the other, though. (:>)) Tiger Balm smells better than Ben Gay, but more expensive. I usually use stuff I buy for the horse. Although if you use valves more, you won't get the slide arm so sore. Carole "only answers reference questions about Viagra" Nowicke cnowicke@indiana.edu ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:05:18 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Beantown Bones to the SuperBowl Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" OK, this is a trombone forum, not a sports forum, so I'll just mention a gig I'm doing with some friends: I mentioned it a few weeks ago, but the stakes just got higher: the Boston Pops are playing at the American football SuperBowl pre-game show in New Orleans next Sunday - the trombone section will be Norman Bolter, Ron Barron and me (Randy Montgomery will be playing tuba). Who ever would have thought our team - the New England Patriots - would be going with us!? Actually, WE did! And here's the last piece of the puzzle: the Boston Symphony and Boston Pops brass section has played the national anthem at 5 Patriots games since I've been in the orchestra. EVERY time we play the anthem at a Patriots game, they win. We're jumping up and down in Beantown. What a week this will be... Jumbalaya! -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:17:29 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Andrew Hooper To: "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Beatles Tbne Quartet? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, I was wondering if anyone out there is aware of a quality arrangement of Beatles songs in a trombone quartet medley? Thanks for any help in advance and please send your replies off the list. thanks Jason hooper indiana university ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:06:20 -0500 From: "Dale J. Cruse" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Your Blues Name Message-ID: <01a301c1a787$3be017d0$70d92444@union1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My friend's wife ended up with "Boney Bones Jones." Nice! Dale J. Cruse dale@dalecruse.com http://www.dalecruse.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:07:56 -0800 From: Galen Zinn To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: [TL]Re: Beatles Tbne Quartet? Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 1/27/02 2:17 PM, Jason Andrew Hooper blasted this into the cosmos: > Hello, > I was wondering if anyone out there is aware of a quality > arrangement of Beatles songs in a trombone quartet medley? Thanks for any > help in advance and please send your replies off the list. > > thanks > Jason hooper > indiana university Hey, You can add me to the list of those interested in Beatles songs in a trombone quartet medley. My son and soon to be daughter-in-law are getting married this summer. They want all of their wedding music to be done by a trombone quartet or quintet, and she's a Beatles freak! Galen Zinn E-mail: zinger@musician.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:29:22 -0500 From: "Hector Bourg Jr." To: "Bone List" Subject: Re: Your Blues Name Message-ID: <00b901c1a78a$73607030$a2523842@hn9nz49oeloz7b> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wound up with "Brown Liver McGee"...UGH! I demand a recount! hb **************************************************************************** *** Hector L. "Butch" Bourg Jr. - Graphic and Web Design - Atlanta, GA Trombonist - Sentimental Journey Orchestra - http://www.thesjo.com ** NOW CELEBRATING TWENTY-SIX SWINGIN' YEARS ** **************************************************************************** *** PLEASE UPDATE your e-dress for me to: sackbutt@mediaone.net **************************************************************************** *** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:36:38 -0800 From: Greg Bergantz To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Beatles Tbne Quartet? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jason & Galen, Check out Hickey's http://www.hickeys.com/ You should find, for trombone quartet: 27765 Beatles, The (Mortimer), Michelle; Elanor Rigby; Yesterday; Ob-la-di, Ob-la-da 29402 Beatles: Hey Jude (Luis) I had the chance to play 'Hey Jude' last summer and it was a kick! Regards, Ugly Dog McGee (Greg Bergantz) On Sunday, January 27, 2002, at 03:07 PM, Galen Zinn wrote: On 1/27/02 2:17 PM, Jason Andrew Hooper blasted this into the cosmos: Hello, I was wondering if anyone out there is aware of a quality arrangement of Beatles songs in a trombone quartet medley? Thanks for any help in advance and please send your replies off the list. thanks Jason hooper indiana university Hey, You can add me to the list of those interested in Beatles songs in a trombone quartet medley. My son and soon to be daughter-in-law are getting married this summer. They want all of their wedding music to be done by a trombone quartet or quintet, and she's a Beatles freak! Galen Zinn E-mail: zinger@musician.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:20:15 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Road to the Super Bowl OnLine Diary Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" A number of people have asked if I would put up an online diary of the week leading to the Super Bowl, detailing what it is like to be part of a group that makes a trip to a huge event like this. I did something similar to this on the 1998 Boston Symphony Orchestra tour of Europe. Each day of the tour, I emailed Edward Solomon, webmaster of the British Trombone Society website, with a diary entry for the day. Edward formatted it and put it online - you can see the result at: http://www.trombone-society.org.uk/odyssey1.htm I'm going to try to do the same thing again this week but I will put the diary entries and photos on my own site. I will try to give some more detail of the preparations which have already gone onto our getting ready to go to the big game, and how all of this is fitting in with the rest of our life - including Boston Symphony Orchestra concerts all week - even Saturday night before the game on Sunday! I hope it's interesting and that you'll be able to join with me in the fun (unless, of course, you're a St. Louis Rams fan!). Keep in mind this, though: because security at the Super Bowl will be so tight (in order to protect the players, participants and the fans), I cannot speak of any details which have security implications including where we will be staying, exact travel plans, and such, until after we are back home after the game. However, there is plenty that CAN be told, and it's going to be a wild ride! You can link to all the latest news and info, which I am calling: The New England Patriots and Boston Pops - A Super Bowl Diary from my home page at http://www.yeodoug.com or directly at http://www.yeodoug.com/pops_patriots.html Now I'd better do some practicing! -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:27:19 -0600 From: "Richard Johnson" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Beantown Bones to the SuperBowl Message-ID: <002601c1a792$8bdf1000$bef0a7ac@zemry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been a Steelers's fan since high school! Needless to say, I'm disappointed in the results of the game. However, there is no doubt that the Patriots played the better game and the result was as it should have been. By the way, Doug, its "Jambalaya' not "Jumbalaya!" I can't believe it.....Yankees in New Orleans!! What ever has the world gone to!! **************************************************************************** ** Richard Zemry Johnson, Jr. "The Untouchables" Jazz Ensemble Shreveport Metropolitan Concert Band ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, , "There won't come a time when you won't have to practice anymore." J. J. Johnson **************************************************************************** ***** I'm not satisfied with anything about my playing. I know what I want. I can hear it; but it will take time and study to get it" -Sonny Rollins (1956) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Yeo" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 4:05 PM Subject: Beantown Bones to the SuperBowl > OK, this is a trombone forum, not a sports forum, so I'll just > mention a gig I'm doing with some friends: > > I mentioned it a few weeks ago, but the stakes just got higher: the > Boston Pops are playing at the American football SuperBowl pre-game > show in New Orleans next Sunday - the trombone section will be Norman > Bolter, Ron Barron and me (Randy Montgomery will be playing tuba). > > Who ever would have thought our team - the New England Patriots - > would be going with us!? Actually, WE did! > > And here's the last piece of the puzzle: the Boston Symphony and > Boston Pops brass section has played the national anthem at 5 > Patriots games since I've been in the orchestra. EVERY time we play > the anthem at a Patriots game, they win. > > We're jumping up and down in Beantown. What a week this will be... > > Jumbalaya! > > -Doug Yeo > > ********************************************** > * Douglas Yeo * > * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * > * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * > * yeo@yeodoug.com * > * http://www.yeodoug.com * > * <>< * > ********************************************** > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:43:37 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions (Doublevalved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? Message-ID: <20020128014337.51460.qmail@web10301.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Eric & Candice Swanson wrote: > The Aharoni book, I believe, has > different sections > dealing with some of the various valve configurations and > tunings. Yes, get the Aharoni book - sections for each tuning, dependent, independent, and etudes to target each (which are, of course, useful for the other tunings as well). Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:04:27 -0600 From: "Jeffrey Albert" To: , "'Trombones and related issues forum.'" Subject: RE: Beantown Bones to the SuperBowl Message-ID: <000001c1a7a0$1dfb50e0$ce279d42@user> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit By the way, Doug, its "Jambalaya' not "Jumbalaya!" =============================================== Yeah, but he was close to a phonetic spelling. Jeff ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:10:29 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: valves Message-ID: <20020128021029.58939.qmail@web10308.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- emrose79@pacbell.net wrote: > I have a question...I've heard great things about > Greenhoe valves, esp > compared to Thayers, but has anyone compared them to Rene > Hagmanns? or > does anyone have an opinion about the Hagmanns? > Ed > They're nice. The resistance is similar to Greenhoe valves - not quite as open as thayers, which can be a good thing. They seem to be sensitive to the quality of installation (of course, so are thayers) - I've played a couple of Bach tenors with a Hagmann valve that felt sort of cheap - too light and kind of unstable, like they wouldn't stand up to much air being put through them. Rath seems to know how to use Hagmanns - the bass trombones I've played from them feel very good in the valve register: very secure feel, very much unlike the Bachs with Hagmanns. I didn't really like the Rath instrument as a whole (way too different from what I'm used to and prefer), but it seemed like the valves were really well done. Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:23:05 -0800 From: Brad Howland To: Trombone-L Subject: New Web Site for Kevin Thompson Message-ID: <000901c1a7ab$1a34d200$a11a4118@gv.shawcable.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi list. Kevin Thompson is the Principal Trombone of the Malaysian Philharmonic Orchestra, and also an amazing euphonium soloist. His new web site is located at: www.euphplayer.com You can listen to some MP3 clips from his solo CD, and check out a photo album that documents Kevin's life and travels in Malaysia and South Africa! Regards, Brad Howland ********************************************************************* Trombone, Web Design, Income Tax, Brass Music "Specialization is for insects." ...Robert Heinlein E Mail: bhowland@shaw.ca Web Site: www.musicforbrass.com The Brass Tacks: www.musicforbrass.com/subTacks.html ********************************************************************* ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:21:43 -0600 From: "Richard Johnson" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Annie Whitehead Message-ID: <000901c1a7b3$4b32f5a0$d72686ac@zemry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was reading the news on The Mail and Guardian, a South African on-line newspaper, and noticed a picture of a female British jazz trombonist by the name of Annie Whitehead. Has anyone here ever heard of her? She is playing a jazz festival in South Africa next month. **************************************************************************** ** Richard Zemry Johnson, Jr. "The Untouchables" Jazz Ensemble Shreveport Metropolitan Concert Band ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, , "There won't come a time when you won't have to practice anymore." J. J. Johnson **************************************************************************** ***** I'm not satisfied with anything about my playing. I know what I want. I can hear it; but it will take time and study to get it" -Sonny Rollins (1956) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:19:41 -0500 From: "Roger Carmichael" To: "Wayne Norton" , "Walt Kelly" , , Subject: Possible Virus Recently Sent! Message-ID: <000f01c1a7b3$fadc2300$8afe5a41@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is a possibility a virus got into my mailbox and sent itself to you. DO NOT OPEN ANY ATTACHMENT YOU MAY HAVE RECEIVED FROM MY ADDRESS. DELETE THE MESSAGE IMMEDIATELY. Sorry for the inconvenience. Roger Carmichael ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:33:16 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Beantown Bones to the SuperBowl Message-ID: <00d401c1a7d6$a54643d0$787d68d5@homedmpbgvaomg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > By the way, Doug, its "Jambalaya' not "Jumbalaya!" Jumbolaya is a giant portion. Adrian ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:33:39 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions(Doublevalved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? Message-ID: <00d501c1a7d6$a950cf90$787d68d5@homedmpbgvaomg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Craig Parmerlee" > Let's say a passage descends with A-Gb-E. If I had to sight-read that, I'd send the copyist hate mail. Adrian ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 05:28:38 -0600 From: "Charles Levine" To: "tlist" Subject: alternate use of valves Message-ID: <000a01c1a7ee$ef01c450$d2b01ad1@D7493111> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1A7BC.A3978130" Alan Raph's book shows the use of valves for notes even above the staff.Ê ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:02:47 +1100 From: sgreatwood@goconnect.net (Simon Greatwood) To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Ritter gig bags Message-ID: <3c553ddd.561849@mail.tpg.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:39:01 -0500, you wrote: >Your Blues NameGreetings all. I was wondering if any of you have had any experience with Ritter gig bags (http://www.ritter-bags.com/). From the descriptions on the site, they sound well constructed and claim to have up to 30mm of padding. They look good too - especially some of the guitar and bass bags. Sounds intriguing. Any thoughts or experiences? Thank in advance for any replys. > >Dale J. Cruse >dale@dalecruse.com >http://www.dalecruse.com I own a ritter classic tenor bag and it's great. really cheap, but well constructed and has two outside pockets - one for mouthpieces/spray bottle, etc and one which will easily fit a fold up music stand and other stuff - i doubt it'd fit a small bone stand though. it has some king of cardboard piece in the bell end as well. i've used mine for 7 1/2 to 8 1/2 inch bells with no worries. (also fits a trumpet facing other way at other end of bell section) - don't try that at home boys and girls... i'm a trained idiot... Simon ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:45:31 -0500 From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions (Double valved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? Message-ID: <81F62454EA21B94EA95517180D7303730243F7E3@lee-is-102.lee.army.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1A7F9.AB9A0E60" Hmmh. Would you ever use 6th for F or G above middle C? Is the trigger that much different?Ê I think the trigger can be made to sound decent up to that F. I don't see a whole lot of advantage, but I guess there might be an occasion.Ê -----Original Message----- From: Craig Parmerlee [mailto:craig@acticalc.com] Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 12:39 PM To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions (Doublevalved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? At 10:47 AM 1/27/2002 -0500, Eric & Candice Swanson wrote: >Basically, you don't need special books. You've already figured out the >alternate positions, no doubt. Just practice them on the books you already >have, play scales etc. All I ask is please don't use the valves above F >in the >staff! Not even to catch the Gb in first? Above that note, I agree with you. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:32:43 -0600 From: "Jeffrey Albert" To: , "'Trombones and related issues forum.'" Subject: RE: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions (Doublevalved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? Message-ID: <000401c1a800$4430cdc0$ce279d42@user> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1A7CD.F9965DC0" I saw Alain Trudel in Recital a year or so ago, and he seemed to be using the trigger for middle C in some situations. Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 6:46 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: RE: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions (Doublevalved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? Hmmh. Would you ever use 6th for F or G above middle C? Is the trigger that much different?Ê I think the trigger can be made to sound decent up to that F. I don't see a whole lot of advantage, but I guess there might be an occasion.Ê -----Original Message----- From: Craig Parmerlee [mailto:craig@acticalc.com] Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 12:39 PM To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions (Doublevalved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? At 10:47 AM 1/27/2002 -0500, Eric & Candice Swanson wrote: >Basically, you don't need special books. You've already figured out the >alternate positions, no doubt. Just practice them on the books you already >have, play scales etc. All I ask is please don't use the valves above F >in the >staff! Not even to catch the Gb in first? Above that note, I agree with you. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:37:09 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L , Brass@lists.fsu.edu Subject: OTJ Classifieds Update - 1/28/2002 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" The Online Trombone Journal Classifieds (http://www.trombone.org/classifieds) have been updated as of 7:35 AM on January 28, 2001 with 25 new ads. - - - - - Thank you for using the OTJ Classifieds! - - - - - OTJ Instrument Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/instruments.asp OTJ Accessory Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/accessories.asp OTJ Music Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/music.asp OTJ Classifieds Frequently Asked Questions http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/faq.asp To place an ad: http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/adform.asp OTJ Gift Shoppe: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=trombones If you have any questions or comments about the Online Trombone Journal Classifieds, please contact me at chris@trombone.org. Chris -- ________________________________________________ Chris Waage, Associate Webmaster chris@trombone.org http://www.trombone.org - A web site for trombonists ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:05:06 -0600 From: "Tom C. Shaddox" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Your blues name Message-ID: <3C555A92.63F677F2@fnc.fujitsu.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Big Harp Davis, 9th chair tenor P.S. "Big Harp"????? ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:13:13 EST From: REOnofreyJ@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Split Lip Message-ID: <57.59b5488.2986b679@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_57.59b5488.2986b679_boundary" I was playing with my Dixieland band last night, when my horn felt somewhat strange. ÊI had a bar break in "Basin St." and looked down to discover that the inside of my mouthpiece was coated with blood. ÊAfter finishing the tune, I found that I had split my upper lip, which was bleeding profusely. Questions: How the heck did I split my lip? ÊI wasn't playing that high? How long should I lay off to let it heal? How do I prevent it from happening again? Any thoughts would be appreciated! Thanks Rick Onofrey a.k.a. ÊSkinny Eyes King ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:24:49 From: "Michael Clayville" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Brass Weekend 2002 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed March 2 and 3, 2002 Levine School of Music (Upton Campus), Washington, DC Join members of the Monumental Brass with clinicians David Fedderly (tubist, Baltimore Symphony Orchestra) and David Sternbach (music health expert) for an intensive weekend of master classes, ensemble coaching and performances. This popular program attracts brass players of all ages and ability levels, giving participants the opportunity to meet and perform with musicians from all over the metropolitan Washington area. The weekend culminates in a grand finale performance with all participants. For further information, contact Patrick Whitehead at the Levine School, (202) 686-9772, ext. 297, email at MBQBRASS@aol.com , or visit us at http://www.monumentalbrass.org. Mike Clayville for the Monumental Brass Quintet _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:11:17 -0700 From: Steve Gamble To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: To use or not to use alternate valves/sli de positions (Double valved independent F, Gb bass Message-ID: <01C1A684.1703BF60.sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Galen Zinn wrote: Should ease and stability of tone production always "win out" over a more sensible sequence of slide movements? I vote no. Practice the other combinations until they sound good. Steve Gamble Librarian Tucson Symphony Orchestra 2175 N. 6th Ave. Tucson, AZ 85705 (520) 792-9155 x118 (520) 792-9314 fax sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:27:30 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: Re: Split Lip Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" The cause is hard to determine from the info you gave, but I would venture that you were probably in a heated room with low humidity. Your lips dry out, then crack. Using some sort of lip mosturizer is essential. As for layoff times, I'd give it a day or two, then try gently practicing to see if anything happens. Chris I was playing with my Dixieland band last night, when my horn felt somewhat strange. I had a bar break in "Basin St." and looked down to discover that the inside of my mouthpiece was coated with blood. After finishing the tune, I found that I had split my upper lip, which was bleeding profusely. Questions: How the heck did I split my lip? I wasn't playing that high? How long should I lay off to let it heal? How do I prevent it from happening again? Any thoughts would be appreciated! Thanks Rick Onofrey a.k.a. Skinny Eyes King -- ________________________________________________ Chris Waage, Associate Webmaster chris@trombone.org http://www.trombone.org - A web site for trombonists ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:26:47 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions (Double valved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020128092013.01e37630@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:45 AM 1/28/2002 -0500, richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL wrote: Hmmh. Would you ever use 6th for F or G above middle C? Is the trigger that much different? I think the trigger can be made to sound decent up to that F. I don't see a whole lot of advantage, but I guess there might be an occasion. I'm sure there are all sorts of special cases, trills and such, where the trigger can be put to good use on the upper register. I'd like to make a distinction between the "navigation tricks and special needs" use of the trigger and the "everyday use". A lot of people look down upon the use of the trigger. I don't understand this attitude at all. On most of today's better horns, the trigger notes are every bit as good as the untriggered notes. After all, the sound goes through the valve either way. If a person can't make the trigger notes sound good, 9 times out of 10 they have the slide in the wrong place. It took practice and concentration to learn exactly where to place the slide to get it right on a straight horn. It takes practice and concentration to get the slide in the right place when using the triggers too. If a person isn't willing to learn the instrument, maybe they would be better of playing a straight horn. I guess I'm up to 6 cents now. Craig ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:30:57 -0600 From: "Paul Johnston" To: "Trombone-L \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions (Doublevalved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? Message-ID: My .02 cents worth...............I agree with Eric, just use the valves in the books you already have. One thing my teacher in graduate school made me do was use the Bass Clef Clarke studies book. Run the exercises using no valve, F valve only, G valve only, and both valves. Makes you really flexible with the valves and you are forced to learn many of the alternate possibilities. As to whether or not to use valves over open horn, same teacher's comment was he didn't care what combinations I used, just make it all SOUND the same and correct. Paul Bass Trombone - Fort Smith Symphony Bass Trombone - North Arkansas Symphony Adjunct Low Brass Instructor - UA Fort Smith ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Johnston - MCSE, MCT Instructor Business and Professional Institute University of Arkansas - Fort Smith 5210 Grand Ave. P.O. Box 3649 Fort Smith, AR 72913-3649 (479)788-7777 Fax (479)788-7780 pjohnsto@systema.westark.edu -----Original Message----- From: Craig Parmerlee [mailto:craig@acticalc.com] Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 11:39 AM To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions (Doublevalved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? At 10:47 AM 1/27/2002 -0500, Eric & Candice Swanson wrote: >Basically, you don't need special books. You've already figured out the >alternate positions, no doubt. Just practice them on the books you already >have, play scales etc. All I ask is please don't use the valves above F >in the >staff! Not even to catch the Gb in first? Above that note, I agree with you. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:03:32 -0600 From: "Dean McCarty" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions (Doublevalved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? Message-ID: <001f01c1a81d$b8aabe00$fd0960cc@compaqcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I use the second valve alone often. You paid for the inline setup... use it. Otherwise you should have gone dependent. As for a book... the Aharoni Method does have sections in it that deal with the second valve alone. But in truth... you don't need a book for it. Just use it and get a tuner to show you the tendencies of that valve. Dean McCarty freelance trombonist, Houston area ----- Original Message ----- From: Galen Zinn To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 10:18 AM Subject: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions (Doublevalved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? > I have yet to find a bass trombone method book that provides a thorough > discussion of or even general "rules of thumb" (no pun intended) on the pros > and cons of using alternate valve & slide positions on a bass trombone with > independent F & Gb valves. All of the books seem to have been written for an > instrument with either a single F valve, or one with two dependent valves. > Why is this? What has happened to the independent use of particularly the Gb > valve? Perhaps everyone feels more secure using the basic slide positions on > the open horn? If this is so, why bother putting two valves on the horn? > > The more I tinker and experiment with using the independent Gb valve, the > more I become convinced that it is even more useful than the F valve. Just > for starters, how about playing F's and C's in a long 2nd/short 3rd > position. Obviously, that's just the "tip of the iceberg". > > Yesterday I took a lesson from a very fine bass trombonist who believes that > fullness, beauty, and ease of tone production should always "win out" over > facility of slide movement. I agree that it is easier (more stable) to play > these notes on the open horn, but after considerable work, I feel that I > have gotten the valved notes to speak with almost identical richness and > quality of sound, so why not use them? Haven't French Hornists conquered the > same problem with no loss in the fullness and beauty of their tone quality? > > Should ease and stability of tone production always "win out" over a more > sensible sequence of slide movements? Why move the slide 4, 5, or 6 > positions when you can get the same note on the Gb valve with much less or > no slide movement at all? > > My 2¢ worth, > > Galen Zinn > E-mail: zinger@musician.org > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:05:23 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Split Lip Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed How long should I lay off to let it heal? How do I prevent it from happening again? Rick, Once your lip is split, the only thing you can do for it is apply Myrrh Gum, to the split. Itâs available at health food stores. But use it extremely sparingly, or youâll literally glue your lips together. You probably will anyway. The stuff is amazing. If your lip split because it was dry and cracked, use Burtâs Beeswax to keep them soft and Carmex for desperate situations. Thatâs what the doublereed playing community does, unless some new ointment has come along, since I was on the doublereed listserve. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2283--