TROMBONE-L Digest 2282 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Your Blues Name by Walter Barrett 2) Re: Your Blues Name by "Richard Johnson" 3) re:Blues Name by "Kathy-Green -TJ" 4) Your Blues Name by "Jerry Blomberg" 5) Re: Your Blues Name by "smith.howard" 6) RE: Your Blues Name by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Hugo_Garc=EDa_Sampedro?= 7) The Truth about the "Mozart Effect". by Bear Woodson 8) Re: The Truth about the "Mozart Effect". by "Daniel Pliskin" 9) Haitian Fight Song by David Burch 10) Fw: various elliot components for sale by "Charles Levine" 11) To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions (Double valved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? by Galen Zinn 12) Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions (Doublevalved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? by "Roger Carmichael" 13) Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions (Doublevalved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? by Eric & Candice Swanson 14) Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions by Craig Parmerlee 15) Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions (Doublevalved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? by Craig Parmerlee ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2282 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:10:34 -0500 From: Walter Barrett To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Your Blues Name Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit on 1/26/02 10:38 AM, Chris Waage at chris@trombone.org sent forth into the cosmos: > Bluesman's Tombstone: > > "Well, I didn't get up this mornin'..." > Like Bill Cosby said, "I like the blues, 'cause when the record wears out, it still sounds the same." Walter Barrett "Music is your own experience, your own thoughts, your wisdom. If you donÕt live it, it wonÕt come out of your horn. They teach you thereÕs a boundary line to music. But, man, thereÕs no boundary line to art." -Charlie Parker Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2282 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:32:31 -0600 From: "Richard Johnson" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Your Blues Name Message-ID: <001801c1a6b0$f691f4e0$0e6b9eac@zemry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Skinny Smoke Washington **************************************************************************** ** Richard Zemry Johnson, Jr. "The Untouchables" Jazz Ensemble Shreveport Metropolitan Concert Band ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, , "There won't come a time when you won't have to practice anymore." J. J. Johnson **************************************************************************** ***** I'm not satisfied with anything about my playing. I know what I want. I can hear it; but it will take time and study to get it" -Sonny Rollins (1956) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Weiner" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 4:21 AM Subject: Re: Your Blues Name > > Alliteratively yours, > Brown Baby Bailey > > > > > > At 08:46 25.01.02 -0600, Berggren, Erik wrote: > >Hey! This just seemed like kind of a fun thing,...not a lot of meaning to > >it,....but fun. > > > >I hope you can get some use out of it. > > > >Yours truly, Texas Eyes McGee Alias Erik E. Berggren (AAA) Always An > >Amateur > > > >Follow the instructions below for that genuine blues thrill. From the > >first list, take the name against the initial of your first name. From > >the second list, do the same with your middle name. From the third, your > >surname. > > > > A=Fat; B=Muddy ; C=Crippled; D=Old; E=Texas; F=Hollerin'; G=Ugly; > > H=Brown; I=Happy; J=Boney; K=Curly; L=Pretty; M=Jailhouse; N=Peg Leg; > > O=Red; P=Sleepy; Q=Bald; R=Skinny; S=Blind; T=Big; U=Yella; V=Toothless; > > W=Screamin'; X=Fat Boy; Y=Washboard; Z=Steel-Eye A=Bones; B=Money; > > C=Harp; D=Legs; E=Eyes; F=Lemon; G=Killer; H=Hips; I=Lips; J=Fingers; > > K=Boy; L=Liver; M=Gumbo; N=Foot; O=Mama; P=Back; Q=Duke; R=Dog; S=Bad > > Boy; T=Baby; U=Chicken; V=Pickles; W=Sugar; X=Cracker; Y=Tooth; > > Z=Smoke A=Jackson; B=McGee; C=Hopkins; D=Dupree; E=Green; F=Brown; > > G=Jones; H=Rivers; I=Malone; J=Washington; K=Smith; L=Parker; M=Lee; > > N=Thompkins; O=King; P=Bradley; Q=Hawkins; R=Jefferson; S=Davis; > > T=Franklin; U=White; V=Jenkins; W=Bailey; X=Johnson; Y=Blue; Z=Tubbs > > -- > Howard Weiner > weiner@privat.toplink.de > http://www.odilia.ch/howard-weiner > > If vegetarians eat only vegetables, what do humanitarians eat? > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2282 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:50:58 -0800 From: "Kathy-Green -TJ" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: re:Blues Name Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well, my middle initial is K which is supposedly "boy" which I definitely am NOT! Kathy Green, Band Director Thomas Jefferson High School Music has the power of producing a certain effect on the moral character of the soul, and if it has the power to do this, it is clear that the young must be directed to music and must be educated in it. (Aristotle, Politics) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2282 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:21:33 -0800 From: "Jerry Blomberg" To: "trombone list" Subject: Your Blues Name Message-ID: <003b01c1a6c8$946065a0$b772d23f@cubs> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit UGLY KILLER McGEE Jerry Blomberg jerrzo@netzero.net <>< ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2282 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:38:59 -0000 From: "smith.howard" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Your Blues Name Message-ID: <001701c1a6cb$032346e0$25ed68d5@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C1A6CB.0259DC60" Brown-Harp Davis Famous for his darkly angelic sound. Howard ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2282 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:05:49 -0300 From: Hugo Garc’a Sampedro To: "Trombone-list" Subject: RE: Your Blues Name Message-ID: <000101c1a6e0$82add500$16752bc8@user061a> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00ED_01C1A694.159BFEC0" The words for me are: "Brown Killer Davis" (sounds like someone wanted dead or alive!) -Hugo ----- Original Message ----- From: Berggren, Erik To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:46 AM Subject: Your Blues Name Hey! This just seemed like kind of a fun thing,...not a lot of meaning to it,....but fun. I hope you can get some use out of it. Yours truly, Texas Eyes McGee Alias Erik E. Berggren (AAA) Always An Amateur Follow the instructions below for that genuine blues thrill. From the first list, take the name against the initial of your first name. From the second list, do the same with your middle name. From the third, your surname. A=Fat; B=Muddy ; C=Crippled; D=Old; E=Texas; F=Hollerin'; G=Ugly; H=Brown; I=Happy; J=Boney; K=Curly; L=Pretty; M=Jailhouse; N=Peg Leg; O=Red; P=Sleepy; Q=Bald; R=Skinny; S=Blind; T=Big; U=Yella; V=Toothless; W=Screamin'; X=Fat Boy; Y=Washboard; Z=Steel-Eye A=Bones; B=Money; C=Harp; D=Legs; E=Eyes; F=Lemon; G=Killer; H=Hips; I=Lips; J=Fingers; K=Boy; L=Liver; M=Gumbo; N=Foot; O=Mama; P=Back; Q=Duke; R=Dog; S=Bad Boy; T=Baby; U=Chicken; V=Pickles; W=Sugar; X=Cracker; Y=Tooth; Z=Smoke A=Jackson; B=McGee; C=Hopkins; D=Dupree; E=Green; F=Brown; G=Jones; H=Rivers; I=Malone; J=Washington; K=Smith; L=Parker; M=Lee; N=Thompkins; O=King; P=Bradley; Q=Hawkins; R=Jefferson; S=Davis; T=Franklin; U=White; V=Jenkins; W=Bailey; X=Johnson; Y=Blue; Z=Tubbs ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2282 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:51:54 -0700 From: Bear Woodson To: Trombone List Subject: The Truth about the "Mozart Effect". Message-ID: <3C53876A.DD12A29A@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Trombone List . I'm days behind in answering my E-Mails, but it seems that you've been talking about Mozart Trom- bone music, the "Mozart Effect", dementia and related issues lately. However there is a serious issue regarding mistaken ideas about the "Mozart Effect". Some people think that having your small children listen to Mozart's music, will make them smart at math, science, and in school in general, later in life. I think that's ridiculous! Just look at the effect that Mozart's music had on him! He spent much of his time, laughing like a Cackling Chicken and chasing pretty girls! Now THAT is the simple truth about the Mozart Effect! For those of us, who just aren't any good at laughing like a Cackling Chicken, we have to compensate, by dress- ing up in a Chicken Suit, and hanging out in Classical Music bars, trying to pick up pretty women! (Do you have ANY idea, how expensive the Dry Cleaning bills are, for a Double-Extra-Large Chicken Suit? I gotta tell you. It's not easy having Mozart Effect Syndrome!) Lately we are also working on trying to get a date for an Orchestral Premiere of my Horn Concerto, and and "Our Horn Shall Be Exalted" (Psalms 89:17) for Solo Horn and String Orchestra. I have made tran- sciptions of both for Tenor Trombone, plus the latter can also be played by Bass Trombone. After Horn Pro- fessor Dr. Karen McGale Fiehler premieres both live, then we can see about allowing trombonists to play them. We might be able to do the latter work by Fall 2002, with 3 other works of mine. Meanwhile, I've been writing new woodwind pieces, including bassoon music. This means that I've been under siege from the Arizona Paranoids from the Quackatorium, dressed in Duck Suits. This presents a severe dilemma in good taste, as any proper aficionado of Insanity will NOT tolerate the petty Tackiness of the clash of Duck and Chicken Feathers scattered all over my apartment! After all, what's the advantage in going crazy, if you end up merely being uncouth?!?!? (When are you people going to keep up with these things?!? Any self-respecting lunatic would have all of this stuff memorized for years! The next thing I know, I'll have to explain all about the Dead Sea Squirrels to all of you! Sheesh! You'd think I was the only resident of a Happy Farm on this entire List!) Bear Woodson Composer, Tucson, Arizona, USA ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2282 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 05:58:34 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: The Truth about the "Mozart Effect". Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed However there is a serious issue regarding mistaken ideas about the "Mozart Effect". Some people think that having your small children listen to Mozart's music, will make them smart at math, science, and in school in general, later in life. Bear didnât bring up, what is perhaps a bit lateral of what weâve been talking about but I thought Iâd throw it into the mix. There have been a myriad of studies about what kind of music plants prefer. And as with many things in life, when thereâs lots of information, people tend to pick what, of that information, they prefer to believe. My preference is for one study that showed that plants prefer the music that keeps the biologists happy. Iâll extrapolate a bit, to pose the question of whether children learn better if their parents play the music that keeps them, the parents, happy. For lack of any other information, I believe that Iâll choose to believe that. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2282 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 09:01:19 -0500 From: David Burch To: Trombone list Subject: Haitian Fight Song Message-ID: <3C54082F.28444F2E@fuse.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Listers, I've been listening to Charles Mingus' 'Haitian Fight Song', having made its first acquaintance watching the movie 'Jerry McGuire'. Does anyone know of a big band arrangement that features Jimmy Knepper's trombone solo, perhaps as a trombone section feature? Thanks, Dave Burch ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2282 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 09:20:58 -0600 From: "Charles Levine" To: "tlist" Subject: Fw: various elliot components for sale Message-ID: <001901c1a746$39611ea0$c3b01ad1@D7493111> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C1A713.EE0DBEE0" ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Levine To: tlist@missouri.edu Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 9:19 AM Subject: various elliot components for sale sbJ cup J4 (tenor) shank K9c (conn bass) shankÊÊÊ 114 rimÊÊÊ 114 Mylar rim All in excellent to new condition $25 each or all for $77 ppd. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2282 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 08:18:28 -0800 From: Galen Zinn To: Trombone List Post Subject: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions (Double valved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have yet to find a bass trombone method book that provides a thorough discussion of or even general "rules of thumb" (no pun intended) on the pros and cons of using alternate valve & slide positions on a bass trombone with independent F & Gb valves. All of the books seem to have been written for an instrument with either a single F valve, or one with two dependent valves. Why is this? What has happened to the independent use of particularly the Gb valve? Perhaps everyone feels more secure using the basic slide positions on the open horn? If this is so, why bother putting two valves on the horn? The more I tinker and experiment with using the independent Gb valve, the more I become convinced that it is even more useful than the F valve. Just for starters, how about playing F's and C's in a long 2nd/short 3rd position. Obviously, that's just the "tip of the iceberg". Yesterday I took a lesson from a very fine bass trombonist who believes that fullness, beauty, and ease of tone production should always "win out" over facility of slide movement. I agree that it is easier (more stable) to play these notes on the open horn, but after considerable work, I feel that I have gotten the valved notes to speak with almost identical richness and quality of sound, so why not use them? Haven't French Hornists conquered the same problem with no loss in the fullness and beauty of their tone quality? Should ease and stability of tone production always "win out" over a more sensible sequence of slide movements? Why move the slide 4, 5, or 6 positions when you can get the same note on the Gb valve with much less or no slide movement at all? My 2¢ worth, Galen Zinn E-mail: zinger@musician.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2282 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:27:47 -0500 From: "Roger Carmichael" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions (Doublevalved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? Message-ID: <008701c1a74f$8fda7c00$2c238fd8@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I agree. Maybe its efficiency, laziness or whatever. I use the 2nd valve by itself as often as I can. From where I hear the notes, I can't tell any difference from the open horn position. I've only had one other trombonist "challenge the use of my independent 2nd valve". But, he doesn't have one, so I just ignored him. Roger Carmichael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Galen Zinn" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 11:18 AM Subject: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions (Doublevalved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? > I have yet to find a bass trombone method book that provides a thorough > discussion of or even general "rules of thumb" (no pun intended) on the pros > and cons of using alternate valve & slide positions on a bass trombone with > independent F & Gb valves. All of the books seem to have been written for an > instrument with either a single F valve, or one with two dependent valves. > Why is this? What has happened to the independent use of particularly the Gb > valve? Perhaps everyone feels more secure using the basic slide positions on > the open horn? If this is so, why bother putting two valves on the horn? > > The more I tinker and experiment with using the independent Gb valve, the > more I become convinced that it is even more useful than the F valve. Just > for starters, how about playing F's and C's in a long 2nd/short 3rd > position. Obviously, that's just the "tip of the iceberg". > > Yesterday I took a lesson from a very fine bass trombonist who believes that > fullness, beauty, and ease of tone production should always "win out" over > facility of slide movement. I agree that it is easier (more stable) to play > these notes on the open horn, but after considerable work, I feel that I > have gotten the valved notes to speak with almost identical richness and > quality of sound, so why not use them? Haven't French Hornists conquered the > same problem with no loss in the fullness and beauty of their tone quality? > > Should ease and stability of tone production always "win out" over a more > sensible sequence of slide movements? Why move the slide 4, 5, or 6 > positions when you can get the same note on the Gb valve with much less or > no slide movement at all? > > My 2¢ worth, > > Galen Zinn > E-mail: zinger@musician.org > > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2282 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:47:50 -0500 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions (Doublevalved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? Message-ID: <3C542127.57F97C@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Galen Zinn wrote: > I have yet to find a bass trombone method book that provides a thorough > discussion of or even general "rules of thumb" (no pun intended) on the pros > and cons of using alternate valve & slide positions on a bass trombone with > independent F & Gb valves. All of the books seem to have been written for an > instrument with either a single F valve, or one with two dependent valves. > Why is this? What has happened to the independent use of particularly the Gb > valve? Galen, You paid for the valves, use them. Use anything that makes the horn easier to play. We all need any advantage we can get over the other bass trombone players out there. Most of the books out there either were written for single valve use, or are very generic because of the many different configurations for bass trombone that are available. The Aharoni book, I believe, has different sections dealing with some of the various valve configurations and tunings. Don Knaub has a book that teaches the inline valves with Bb-F-G-Eb tuning, but that won't help you with your Bb-F-Gb-D tuning. Basically, you don't need special books. You've already figured out the alternate positions, no doubt. Just practice them on the books you already have, play scales etc. All I ask is please don't use the valves above F in the staff! Eric Swanson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2282 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:33:13 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020127122456.00b4ffd0@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:18 AM 1/27/2002 -0800, Galen Zinn wrote: The more I tinker and experiment with using the independent Gb valve, the more I become convinced that it is even more useful than the F valve. Just for starters, how about playing F's and C's in a long 2nd/short 3rd position. Obviously, that's just the "tip of the iceberg". I'm with you, brother. The second valve is far more useful than the F valve (and would be even more so if it were in G). It just takes a bit of mental discipline to get the brain working with it. At my advanced age, it took me the better part of a year to feel very good about using the Gb trigger over the F. But the young guys and girls out there should be able to lock this in with a good 6 weeks of practice. Yesterday I took a lesson from a very fine bass trombonist who believes that fullness, beauty, and ease of tone production should always "win out" over facility of slide movement. I think that's a cop out. On today's best horns, the only reason why the valved notes would be inferior is because the slide isn't in the right place. There is no trade-off. By learning how to play the instrument, you can have fullness, beauty AND improved agility. Of course there are a lot of older horns where there is a compromise. With my 2 cents, we're almost up to a nickel, Craig ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2282 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:39:07 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: To use or not to use alternate valves/slide positions (Doublevalved independent F, Gb bass trombone)? Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020127123809.00b3d058@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:47 AM 1/27/2002 -0500, Eric & Candice Swanson wrote: Basically, you don't need special books. You've already figured out the alternate positions, no doubt. Just practice them on the books you already have, play scales etc. All I ask is please don't use the valves above F in the staff! Not even to catch the Gb in first? Above that note, I agree with you. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2282--