TROMBONE-L Digest 2265 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Old recordings by "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> 2) RE: Old recordings by Listmonitor Trombone-L 3) RE: Slight vent session... by Gary Sloane 4) RE: Old Recordings by TboneGib@aol.com 5) Re: Slight vent session... by "Rod Ellard" 6) Trombone Literature For A Wedding? Suggestions? by Galen Zinn 7) RE: Trombone Literature For A Wedding? Suggestions? by "Jeffrey Albert" 8) love/career/work by "Jeffrey Albert" 9) Re: Trombone Literature For A Wedding? Suggestions? by Michael & Dava Millar 10) Re: love/career/work by "Daniel Pliskin" 11) RE: Slight vent session... by "Wessner, John" 12) Re: love/career/work by ALFORDMB@aol.com 13) Re: love/career/work by "Rod Ellard" 14) Re: love/career/work by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 15) Re: Senior Female Trombonist? - One Liner by Larry White 16) Re: Slight vent session... by Robert Holland 17) [Fwd: [Fwd: Tips from the World of Sports - a possible solution]] by Larry White 18) Re: love/career/work by "Daniel Pliskin" 19) Viruses by "Paul D. Kemp, Jr." 20) Re: Viruses by Jayson Rowe 21) List Hosuekeeping by Listmonitor Trombone-L 22) RE: love/career/work by "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" 23) RE: Slight vent session... by "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" 24) Re: Trombone Literature For A Wedding? Suggestions? by Walter Barrett 25) Re: Trombone Literature For A Wedding? Suggestions? by "Paul D. Kemp, Jr." 26) Re: Slight vent session... by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 27) Re: Slight vent session... by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 28) Re: love/career/work by BassBonist@aol.com 29) Re: Slight vent session... by "Daniel Pliskin" 30) RE: love/career/work by Steve Gamble 31) Re: Slight vent session... by Gabriel Langfur ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2265 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:16:01 -0600 From: "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Old recordings Message-ID: <47763CCCA27C4F4FA4BEF7DDB754A1E712498D@marshall.jmls.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I am printing and saving the posts about making CDs from LP collections, but I have a possibly dumb question that, until I see an answer, will keep me from doing anything about the project even if I could see the time to work on it: How does one transfer any output from a stereo system (specifically the phonograph) to a computer? I have a line output patched from my amplifier to my tape deck, but there's no phono jack on my computer! Is there something as simple as a converter cable with something to plug the jack into on one end and a USB on the other? Alas, I fear it's not that straightforward. I have an iBook, which should be quite adequate for the task and a lot simpler to carry downstairs that my iMac. With appropriate software and connections, I suppose I play a record, make a file--and do it however often it takes to get a file I like--and then follow the instructions for transfering the file to a CD-R. So far, I have ideas on software etc. How about the cable? ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ David Guion, Cataloging Librarian The John Marshall Law School 315 S. Plymouth Ct. Chicago, IL 60604 Voice: (312) 427-2737 x 552 Fax; (312) 427-8307 8guion@jmls.edu Should part-time band directors be called semi-conductors? Quidquid latine dictum sit, profundum viditur. ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2265 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:34:09 -0600 From: Listmonitor Trombone-L To: Trombone-L Subject: RE: Old recordings Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Recording sound into a Macintosh is much easier than a PC, since most Macintosh have a fairly full-featured sound card built-in. I don't have the specs here in front of me, but some of the newer USB-based Macintosh computers do not have sound inputs. There are several third-party adapters, using the USB ports for sound input. Also, you can now find some of the older "A/V" series Macintosh computers (the 7XXX and 8XXX series Power Macintosh especially) for a very low price, and some of these have built-in RCA inputs. If your iBook has a 1/8" stereo plug for sound input, it's an easy patch. Radio Shack has an adapter that mates two RCA plugs (left and right) into one stereo 1/8" plug for just such a purpose. It's under $5.00. In the "Sound" control panel, you will have to adjust the input gain to get the best sound, and that's just a trial and error issue. If you have access to a program called, "SoundEdit" (made by Macromedia), it can record directly from the sound input of your Macintosh. I'm sure there are other options available, but my work doesn't take me down that road very often. LM I am printing and saving the posts about making CDs from LP collections, but I have a possibly dumb question that, until I see an answer, will keep me from doing anything about the project even if I could see the time to work on it: How does one transfer any output from a stereo system (specifically the phonograph) to a computer? I have a line output patched from my amplifier to my tape deck, but there's no phono jack on my computer! Is there something as simple as a converter cable with something to plug the jack into on one end and a USB on the other? Alas, I fear it's not that straightforward. I have an iBook, which should be quite adequate for the task and a lot simpler to carry downstairs that my iMac. With appropriate software and connections, I suppose I play a record, make a file--and do it however often it takes to get a file I like--and then follow the instructions for transfering the file to a CD-R. So far, I have ideas on software etc. How about the cable? ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ David Guion, Cataloging Librarian The John Marshall Law School 315 S. Plymouth Ct. Chicago, IL 60604 Voice: (312) 427-2737 x 552 Fax; (312) 427-8307 8guion@jmls.edu Should part-time band directors be called semi-conductors? Quidquid latine dictum sit, profundum viditur. ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ -- --------------------------------------- trombone-l digest archives and useful trombone-l information are available at http://www.trombone.org/trombone-l ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2265 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:47:50 -0800 From: Gary Sloane To: "James W. Yardley" Cc: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Slight vent session... Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1201516823==_ma============" Just a couple of comments to add to this great discussion. 1. If money is NOT an issue (and this is the case for a few people), then by all means go to the best schools you can, follow your dream, and don't even think about the debt. If it IS an issue, try to have something to fall back on. 2. What kept me from both conservatory and a New York freelance career -- aside from talent, of course -- was the realization that my teachers, who were first-call studio guys in the 50's, made a decent living mostly by playing jingles and horrid Broadway shows. I loved playing trombone, and still do, but wanted to play what I thought was good and/or interesting, and neither of these fit the bill. (Later, in college, my tenor sax playing roommate and I wanted to play Milestones and So What in the off-campus beer bar but were always bombarded with requests for Louie, Louie. Maybe it's inescapable.) My thought, at age 17, was that if I had to sell out, I'd rather work in an advertising agency writing commercials than playing in them. I also realized that there were a lot of "older" guys -- like in their 20's -- who had chops I could only dream of, and they didn't seem to be making a living; the fact that I had connections and possible introductions made the whole thing seem a bit unfair, and maybe corrupt, to me. 3. I've had a very broad, liberal education -- lots of languages, literature, sociology, psychology, philosophy -- at two high-profile private colleges and two pretty good state universities. It has equipped me to be an entertaining dinner guest. What I do in my "professional" life -- in quotes because I have a consulting business, not a career -- has little to do with anything I ever studied. My only regrets are not having read more when my eyes were still young and having stopped playing trombone for 20 years. (Of course, I still read despite poor eyesight and have been playing again for 10 years.) I guess it's up to a person to decide whether they want to choose a career they're passionate about or whether they want to choose a career that is certain and comfortable. When I was deciding on my career path I asked my band director for some advice. I told him that my passion was to play my bass trombone, but I knew the odds are of making a comfortable living doing so were not in my favor. He told me to do follow my dream because if I didn't, I'd always wonder if I could have made it as a great trombone player. If I give trombone playing 100% and end up on the street, I will be happy to know that it wasn't for me. I would rather deal with that than be sitting in my office infront of a computer wondering what would have happened if I had tried. If your dream is to drive a nice car and live in a nice house in a nice neighborhood with a nice family, music is not the best way to achieve that goal. But if your dream is to play your trombone for a living, go to school and study music and give it 200%. Do what makes you happy. Personally, I would rather be in debt $100,000,000,000 playing my trombone for dog food commercials than be staring at a computer screen making $100,000,000,000 doing so. Money doesn't make me happy, playing my trombone does. Follow your dream, whatever it is. Take care, James Yardley -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Wessner, John Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 4:35 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: RE: Slight vent session... Item number one: A bachelor's degree is not a curse. A doctorate probably isn't either. I have a liberal arts degree in math and a PhD in physics. I hold a journeyman's license in HVAC so I can work for Habitat for Humanity and a decent reputation as a musician. (Additionally, I've read most of the optional reading my MSW daughter didn't.) Item #2: Enough brag. Life is what you make of it. So make of it! Item #3: An anecdote - I worked on occasion with incoming freshman at Towson. One young man was trying to decide whether to major in engineering or music. My recommendation was to go for the engineering. "You can always be an engineer who plays music, but it's unlikely you can be a musician who does engineering." (Forgive me Les Paul.) Fifteen years later, I ran into him at a gig I was playing and he introduced himself and commented favorably on my advice. I asked him what he was doing these days. He is restoring antique furniture. jw -----Original Message----- From: Gabriel Langfur [mailto:glangfur@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 2:31 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: RE: Slight vent session... --- richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL wrote: > Or, maybe not. This is the season of wacko ideas. Well, you've got that part right. This thread is making me mad. I would hope that there might be one thing all of us on the trombone-l can agree on: that there are things in life MUCH more important than money. -- Gary Sloane "A gentleman should play the flute sloane@batnet.com but not too well." --Aristotle ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2265 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:13:33 EST From: TboneGib@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Old Recordings Message-ID: <57.4ac8bee.296dfe6d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_57.4ac8bee.296dfe6d_boundary" David, et al, Buy the Griffin iMic for your iBook. It's about $35. Check out http://www.griffintechnology.com/audio/imic_control.html This little USB device gives you 2 input/outputs. Then, what you'll need is a cable with a 1/8" mini-stereo jack on one end and on the other probably 2 RCA jacks to line out from the stereo amp. There are other options: Like running a cable from the headphone jack on your receiver to the iMic. Or running directly from the turntable to the iMic. There are some nifty little free downloads from Griffin to help you adjust bass,treble,gain, etc. as you're using the iMic. The cable(s) you need are all less than $10 at RadioShack. MacAlly also makes a USB microphone/line input, but experience forces me to recommend NOT buying that (besides,it's twice as much as the iMic). Once your hardware is configured, you'll need recording software. This is where PEAK and other such programs come into play. I suggest visiting hitsquad's SharewareMusicMachine and looking around in the "Recording" department. ProToolsFREE works well on the iBook (I use it ALL the time), but it's a complex program for what you require. I suggest PEAK for your needs. Anybody confused? I'm willing to help off-list if you wish. Tom Gibson Brass Dept. Coordinator Georgia State University tbonegib@aol.com ph: (404) 651-1740 trombonelessons.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2265 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:09:19 -0800 From: "Rod Ellard" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Slight vent session... Message-ID: <000f01c19951$e80d9710$61cffea9@rodcomp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C1990E.D8E9AFF0" If your make something you love to do, eg. playing music, into your career, does that turn it into work? Rod ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2265 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 13:14:30 -0800 From: Galen Zinn To: Trombone List Post Subject: Trombone Literature For A Wedding? Suggestions? Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Have you any suggestions for trombone literature to be used at a wedding? I am interested in both bass trombone solo literature and trombone quartet literature. Thanks, Galen Zinn E-mail: zinger@musician.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2265 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:28:31 -0600 From: "Jeffrey Albert" To: , "'Trombones and related issues forum.'" Subject: RE: Trombone Literature For A Wedding? Suggestions? Message-ID: <001901c19954$9672e7e0$39219d42@user> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I once played The Lord's Prayer at a wedding, or maybe it was Ave Maria, whatever it was, I just used the vocal solo music and the piano accompaniment. Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of Galen Zinn Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 3:15 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Trombone Literature For A Wedding? Suggestions? Have you any suggestions for trombone literature to be used at a wedding? I am interested in both bass trombone solo literature and trombone quartet literature. Thanks, Galen Zinn E-mail: zinger@musician.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2265 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:33:34 -0600 From: "Jeffrey Albert" To: , "'Trombones and related issues forum.'" Subject: love/career/work Message-ID: <001a01c19955$4adf42a0$39219d42@user> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C19923.0044D2A0" If your make something you love to do, eg. playing music, into your career, does that turn it into work? Sometimes, but it still beats working at something you donÕt like. There is a trumpet player I work with named Barney (I only use a name because Bill Gibson knows him), and his hobby is sailing. If he is not eating sleeping, or on a gig, he is working on his boat. Actually I guess I should say his hobby is working on the boat, because he does that more than he actually sails it. My point is he gives many of us a hard time because our hobby or love, and our job are the same thing. He says that leaves us nothing to do if we have a bad day at work. If he has a bad day at work, he just goes sailing. Jeff ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2265 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 13:42:25 -0800 From: Michael & Dava Millar To: zinger@musician.org Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Trombone Literature For A Wedding? Suggestions? Message-ID: <3C3CB941.6D9506C8@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For my wedding, my friends played a couple of quartet "standards" with excellent results: Processional: Saint-Saens Adagio from Sym. no. 3 (I always thought it would make a great wedding processional - I was right) Recessional: Haydn - Achieved is the Glorious Work from the Creation Michael Millar Galen Zinn wrote: > > Have you any suggestions for trombone literature to be used at a wedding? > > I am interested in both bass trombone solo literature and trombone quartet > literature. > > Thanks, > > Galen Zinn > E-mail: zinger@musician.org -- ============================================= Michael W. Millar, D.M.A. Dava S. Millar, R.N., M.B.A. 25430 Via Impreso Valencia, CA, 91355 (818) 901-6843 FAX (661) 253-2999 ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2265 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 23:02:03 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: love/career/work Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed If your make something you love to do, eg. playing music, into your career, does that turn it into work? I guess I should have learned, by now, to make sure that I add smiley faces to tongue-in-cheek postings, like my last ćdrop out of music and get yourself an engineering degreeä posting. I love engineering and I love music. Iām almost always listening to music, at work. I initially dropped out of mechanical engineering to play and study music. Then I dropped out of music to finish a degree in electrical engineering. There are times when the hours, at work, fly by·when I look up to find that the morning or the afternoon is already over. And there are times when I put way more energy into grumbling than I do into actually doing some distasteful task, at hand. Itās much like in music. There are times when itās all fun and challenges and times when youāre requested to play some dinky piece. But also, there are some people that will never be happy and those that work to find happiness, in whatever they do. Before you cross the road, to get to that greener grass, make sure that you have the capacity to be happy, at all. I had a good enough life as a musician. I wasnāt rich, but I also didnāt need much, I was too busy practicing. But I also didnāt have the large extended family that I do today. What weāve tried to instill in our kids is that pursuing a career, for the love of it, is fine, no matter what that field is, as long as responsibilities remain in control. But as soon as youāre responsible for children, youāre going to need to figure out how to milk a reasonable income out of that career and that may take all the fun out of it. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2265 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:40:07 -0500 From: "Wessner, John" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Slight vent session... Message-ID: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C19966.F816B195" As an old guy, who has been in love with a number of things, eventually they all become work. Enjoy it full bore while it lasts! jw PS: I think I looked as though I was against going for broke in music. I very much believe in dreams. I once suggested to a young woman that she drop out of Towson, practice 8 hours a day with a major teacher and shoot for Curtis. I thought she might just make it. (She didn't try and I don't know what she's doing now.) I've been fortunate enough to live close to many of mine. -----Original Message----- From: Rod Ellard [mailto:ellard@sprint.ca] Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 4:09 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Slight vent session... If your make something you love to do, eg. playing music, into your career, does that turn it into work? Rod ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2265 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:25:11 EST From: ALFORDMB@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: love/career/work Message-ID: <120.983aa92.296e3967@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 01/09/2002 4:33:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, jalbert@bellsouth.net writes: > My point is he gives many of us a > hard time because our hobby or love, and our job are the same thing. He > says that leaves us nothing to do if we have a bad day at work. If he > has a bad day at work, he just goes sailing. > > Jeff Great comment . . . profound even. Mike alford ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2265 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:16:59 -0800 From: "Rod Ellard" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: love/career/work Message-ID: <000b01c19974$8187c7e0$61cffea9@rodcomp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you love your work, you're not working hard enough. (smiley thing) RLE ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2265 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:32:10 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: ellard@sprint.ca, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: love/career/work Message-ID: <98.1fb2d9d9.296e572a@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If it becomes obvious that you love your work and you work really hard at it... someone will discover that love and fix it so you work so hard you will soon hate it. It then becomes necessary to be self employed. While that isn't all bad, you have to live carefully, so carefully that it may make what you love become less than a love and more of an onus. beldonwade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2265 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 21:14:57 -0800 From: Larry White To: Richard.Marple@CEN.AMEDD.ARMY.MIL Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Senior Female Trombonist? - One Liner Message-ID: <3C3D2350.109BBE37@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C82FBB2E2F255F0FAD2207C8" I say, turn the other cheek - smooth as a baby's bottom. :>) Larry White "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" wrote: Craig & Adrain: What will you guys do when the nude scene comes up? STAND-IN (with a moustache??) Rick Marple San Antonio TX > At 08:58 PM 1/3/2002 -0500, David Fetter wrote: > > >Re: Casting Call - Senior Female Trombonist? Subject: Re: Senior Female Trombonist? From: "Craig Parmerlee" > If I put on some lipstick and a mumu, I'm not bad. Keep me in mind. I'm > not sure I'm willing to shave my legs though. I'll do it, but I'm not shaving my moustache. Adrian ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2265 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 23:47:24 -0600 From: Robert Holland To: "Trb. List" Subject: Re: Slight vent session... Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit David Guion wrote: > I have never thought of a music minor as ideal for anyone, and here's why: > the minimum credit hour in music required for a music minor is more than the > minimum credit hours required for any other major. That's right. Music > minors must spend more time on their minor than on their major unless they > take minimal music and far more than minimal whatever they're studying. Now, > since it's music, that's not necessarily a bad thing :-) On the other hand, > that could cause problems with faculty in their major field. People > contemplating a music minor must keep the consequences (both actual and > potential) in mind. You're right about all the details of being a music minor, but we still draw different conclusions. Yes, the minor overwhelms the major. However, the net result is that a student can graduate with a whole lot more musical experience than just playing in band and yet have a BA or BS that has a far greater likelihood of translating into a career. Maybe the music minor is just the thing the purge any musical ambitions one may harbor. Maybe the student just wants to learn about music without the burden of making it a career. Lots of possibilities short of aiming to be a professional. Robert Holland Briar Music Press briar@chicagonet.net http://members.aol.com/EnsPub/briar.htm ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2265 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 21:51:24 -0800 From: Larry White To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: Tips from the World of Sports - a possible solution]] Message-ID: <3C3D2BDC.F5A18F95@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------57059D239E173B3749200260" Ths is how I am getting some of my posts from originally either Sabutin or Dave Fetter. Hard to say where it all started. Don't know if it will come out scrambled on your computer or not. If not, then forget the whole thing. I have the line length at 72 and the font at courier as suggested by a couple of t listers. Good night. Larry White Return-Path: Received: from telus.net ([209.53.221.1]) by priv-edtnes16-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.01 201-253-122-122-101-20011014) with ESMTP id <20020110051329.NPFQ3508.priv-edtnes16-hme0.telusplanet.net@telus.net> for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:13:29 -0700 Message-ID: <3C3D2384.B8BF9C75@telus.net> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 21:15:48 -0800 From: Larry White X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Fwd: Tips from the World of Sports - a possible solution] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------31D3790686197109CDB7A6E7" X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-Path: Received: from po.missouri.edu ([128.206.12.137]) by priv-edtnes10-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.01 201-253-122-122-101-20011014) with ESMTP id <20020108162204.PLYM20752.priv-edtnes10-hme0.telusplanet.net@po.missouri.edu>; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:22:04 -0700 Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by po.missouri.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g08GM1S02009; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:22:01 -0600 Received: from lee-imc-100.lee.army.mil (lee-imc-100.lee.army.mil [132.159.126.52]) by po.missouri.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g08GLIS01786 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:21:19 -0600 Received: by lee-imc-100.lee.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:22:25 -0500 Message-Id: <81F62454EA21B94EA95517180D7303730243F75E@lee-is-102.lee.army.mil> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:19:03 -0500 Reply-To: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL Sender: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Precedence: bulk From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Tips from the World of Sports - a possible solution MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C19860.2FFD5B20" X-To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 -----Original Message----- From: Richardson, Tim Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 11:02 AM To: 'trombone-l@po.missouri.edu' Cc: 'fetterbrass@toad.net' Subject: RE: Tips from the World of Sports - a possible solution Actually, I have figured out the answer to the overwork and fatigue problem. Low and mid range we can play for long periods of time without difficulty, it is high range that wears us out. Of course what is low, middle and high are different for individuals, but ignore that for a second. So, simply swap. Play one day on first, the next day on third, the next day on second.Ź Why not? It would solve everything. It would upset some traditional ways of doing things and maybe some egos, but hey, it should work.Ź -----Original Message----- From: Richardson, Tim Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 8:00 AM To: 'sabutin'; trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Cc: fetterbrass@toad.net Subject: RE: Tips from the World of Sports Good analysis, and to extend it one step. It seems likely to me that the individual difference is not so much in recovery ability as in strength,Źbut that what we notice most is not the effect on strength but endurance. I certainly notice endurance fade if I do not play daily, or if I do not run near daily.Ź To take an example from running, it is common for amateur runners to read the workouts of the top performers and misapply them. For example, fast runners may do easy days of 6:30 miles to rest and recover. Recreational runners will burn out and/or injure themselves quickly on "easy" days of 6:30 miles - our easy days are more like 11:00 minutes miles.Ź Similarly, Sam mentioned in a recent post that he generally plays all night in the range from 6th partial F to 9th partial C. For him that is a comfortable range that demands endurance rather than strength (in the way athletics would define endurance and strength). I would expect his recovery from that to be similar to the recovery from long term low intensity exercise - jogging rather than sprinting. For me, with less strength, that would be a speed work day, and recovery would be slower. I shouldn't really do it more than once a week. The equivalent range for me might be, say, Ab below middle C to Eb above it. Playing in that range I might expect to recover daily, and skipping days might lead to loss of endurance. Playing much above that range I might expect several days of recovery time would be needed, and not only would daily work not help, it would hurt me. Next year that comfortable range may be a note, or several, higher. (and if I don't alter my practice regimen to match, I'll lose it)Ź Of course, you can push the athletic analogies too far. But in very few sports do you do workouts of the same intensity all week. In most you have an intense day per week, a moderate day, and several easy days. In music it's a little harder to define intensity and I suggest it varies widely between individuals, probably more so than recovery ability does.Ź -----Original Message----- From: sabutin [mailto:sabutin@mindspring.com] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:51 PM To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Cc: fetterbrass@toad.net Subject: Re: Tips from the World of Sports At a music medicine conference some years ago here in Baltimore, I heard a lecture by a sports physician. What caught my interest most among his stipulations was the "48 hour rule" - that one should rest 48 hours after strenuous activity. Of course, orchestra musicians often see much shorter periods of rest. Could it be that the typical orchestra routine of playing heavily every day is counterproductive? Could it be that heavy concerts and/or rehearsals scheduled every other day with at least 46 hours between would produce better performances and longer careers? Do opera singers and baseball pitchers, who routinely rest 4 days or more between performances, have something valuable to teach us? Sitting here in my easy chair, 15-16 years after orchestra duty, hindsight says yes. David Fetter ---snip--- =================== David et al... Personally, I have tried EVERYTHING w/respect to this, and have come up with...daily practice and/or performance almost (but not quite) to the point of muscular exhaustion works best for me. This is of course purely personal, and no doubt at least partially predicated on my work situations and what is required of me when I do work.( What is required of a working trombonist who plays mostly American idioms is quite different from that required of an orchestral trombonist....many more notes, generally higher notes, less rest and more sheer horn on the face playing time, more solos, less emphasis on refinement and some sort of never-miss-a-note perfection, just for starters...) If I take off for even 24 hours, I am usually neither strong enough nor balanced enough when I come back to truly play at my peak. I mean, I can get BY, but...not like I want to. 48 hours destroys me. Really. If I do play past the point of exhaustion...if I begin to lose my balance in some way due to overplaying...THEN sometimes I'll lay off a day. I think this OVER-playing is analogous to what really strenuous opera roles or pitch-'til-you-drop pitching assignments might do to singers + athletes. Most of what we do is NOT that strenuous...closer to the one inning reliever,the basketball player or shortstop who gets quite a bit of rest during the course of a game, or perhaps a member of an operatic chorus. Again...each individual's recovery time will be different. Some pitchers have "rubber arms", for instance. Others need five days between starts. Same number of pitches...different stresses, different metabolisms. Some boxers swell and cut at the first jab...others can fight all night and barely show a bruise. They used to say that the heavyweight Chuck Wepner (aka "The Bayonne Bleeder") needed ice on his face before the fight even BEGAN...he used to swell just from the stare-downs at the introductions...but Roberto Duran never seemed to have a mark on him even though he wasn't much of a defensive fighter. We're the same way...some need more rest than others. So it goes... Later... S. _________________________________________________________________________ This mail sent via toadmail.com, web e-mail @ ToadNet - want to go fast? http://www.toadmail.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2265 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:10:08 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: love/career/work Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed It then becomes necessary to be self employed. While that isn't all bad, you have to live carefully, so carefully that it may make what you love become less than a love and more of an onus. Beldon, No, actually being self-employed is way worse. In a salary position, I only have to train my co-workers once. Once they know what I can do, then Iām free to do my thing. As a consultant, I have to train every client that comes along, and most of them have no idea what I should be doing, so I have to train them in that, too. Itās cool making all that money, but itās hard fought. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2265 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:00:59 -0500 From: "Paul D. Kemp, Jr." To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Viruses Message-ID: <001901c199ce$7898b130$285a4d0c@trbnplyr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear listers: First of all--Happy New Year to everyone. I know it's a bit late. Second, I just changed operating systems to Windows XP. I'm still getting used to it. However, it is not immune to viruses, as I picked up a couple after I had re-formatted my hard drive and installed XP fresh and wouldn't you know it? The one program that I forgot to install was my virus-scanning software. It is also a very good idea that once a week you download the updates to that software. I don't know about Norton, but McAfee has updates weekly, and their new Virus Scan Professional even has new updates, which I downloaded yesterday, and it took care of the problem. I'm sorry for any problems that I caused in the last day or so. If there was any group of people that deserved to be publicly lynched, it would be the people that write these nasty programs that intentionally harm some aspect of people's computing life. I don't know too much about viruses, but it seems that any file with the extension .scr is bad news--DELETE IT IMMEDIATELY IF IT ATTACHED TO AN E-MAIL. Do not attempt to open it, as it propagates itself to very important files in your operating system. Viruses are NOT funny, and if anyone on this list knows anyone who writes this kind of destructive software, then they should report them to the FEDERAL authorities. THE FBI doesn't think that people who write viruses are funny, and I've heard that if they are caught, prosecuted and convicted, that their life is going to be unpleasant for awhile. I don't know how the authorities in other countries handle these people, but I'd bet that the penalties would be much more severe. Be that as it may, money spent on virus scanning software is money well spent. E-mail is getting to be a very important way of life for more and more people, and this is the most popular way to send out viruses. If anyone sends you a file that may look the least bit suspect, then I would delete it. Tom Izzo, the last time I talked to him, had a computer so sick form viruses that it took him a long time to get straightened out. Tom, I trust your computer is behaving much better now. To the people that I sent a virus to: my humble apologies. I know that this isn't trombone related, but right now we're not dealing with the trombone-we're dealing with the computer. I don't know how to write a virus, and wouldn't if I could. Thanks to the folks who notified me of my problem. Warm Regards, Paul D. Kemp Jr. Chattanooga Symphony www.trbnplyr.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2265 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:29:04 -0500 From: Jayson Rowe To: paul@trbnplyr.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Viruses Message-ID: <3C3D8910.56D3DA20@sc.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Virus issues are just ONE of the MANY reasons I love my Macintosh so...I'm practically immune! peace - jay "Paul D. Kemp, Jr." wrote: > Dear listers: > First of all--Happy New Year to everyone. I know it's a bit late. > Second, I just changed operating systems to Windows XP. I'm still > getting used to it. However, it is not immune to viruses, as I picked up a > couple after I had re-formatted my hard drive and installed XP fresh and > wouldn't you know it? The one program that I forgot to install was my > virus-scanning software. It is also a very good idea that once a week you > download the updates to that software. I don't know about Norton, but McAfee > has updates weekly, and their new Virus Scan Professional even has new > updates, which I downloaded yesterday, and it took care of the problem. I'm > sorry for any problems that I caused in the last day or so. If there was any > group of people that deserved to be publicly lynched, it would be the people > that write these nasty programs that intentionally harm some aspect of > people's computing life. I don't know too much about viruses, but it seems > that any file with the extension .scr is bad news--DELETE IT IMMEDIATELY IF > IT ATTACHED TO AN E-MAIL. Do not attempt to open it, as it propagates itself > to very important files in your operating system. Viruses are NOT funny, and > if anyone on this list knows anyone who writes this kind of destructive > software, then they should report them to the FEDERAL authorities. THE FBI > doesn't think that people who write viruses are funny, and I've heard that > if they are caught, prosecuted and convicted, that their life is going to be > unpleasant for awhile. I don't know how the authorities in other countries > handle these people, but I'd bet that the penalties would be much more > severe. > Be that as it may, money spent on virus scanning software is money well > spent. E-mail is getting to be a very important way of life for more and > more people, and this is the most popular way to send out viruses. If anyone > sends you a file that may look the least bit suspect, then I would delete > it. Tom Izzo, the last time I talked to him, had a computer so sick form > viruses that it took him a long time to get straightened out. Tom, I trust > your computer is behaving much better now. > To the people that I sent a virus to: my humble apologies. I know that > this isn't trombone related, but right now we're not dealing with the > trombone-we're dealing with the computer. I don't know how to write a virus, > and wouldn't if I could. Thanks to the folks who notified me of my problem. > > Warm Regards, > > Paul D. Kemp Jr. > Chattanooga Symphony > www.trbnplyr.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2265 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:38:46 -0600 From: Listmonitor Trombone-L To: Trombone-L Subject: List Hosuekeeping Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" There are just a few tidbits I would like to share with you regarding the list and the listprocessor software. First, please remember that when it comes to your e-mail address for posting to the trombone-l, it is case-sensitive. The listprocessor is UNIX-based, and unlike Windows or Macintosh, UNIX is a case-sensitive operating system. To a UNIX-based computer, the names "RASPUTIN" and "rasputin" are two completely different words. Add in the possibilities of "modern" capitalization (such as "rAspUtIn" or "RaSPuTiN"), and you have literally hundreds of potential combinations. When you subscribe to the list, you receive a confirmation e-mail directed to the address from which you are subscribed with the exact case of the e-mail used. If you are having posting problems, 95% of the problems trace back to this issue. Second, it was rather surprising to me the number of rejected messages that were returned to the list regarding the recent "Jokes" thread. At some point during the past year, there was a Windows-based computer virus which became known as the "Jokes" virus, and literally hundreds of errors were generated because of this subject line. When it comes to viruses, the word "Virus" in the subject line also generates rejected message errors. Many Internet Service Providers have taken a hard-line stance and have banned any e-mail containing this word in the subject line, along with the subject lines associated with many of the Windows-based e-mail-transmitted viruses. Now, back to practicing --- LM -- --------------------------------------- trombone-l digest archives and useful trombone-l information are available at http://www.trombone.org/trombone-l ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2265 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:40:57 -0600 From: "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" To: "'BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: love/career/work Message-ID: <587F49FABBEDD411A68F00A0C9EA313B5FCFE0@dasmthkhn561.amedd.army.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C199DC.6E944470" Beldon: These sound like comments on an aging marriage!! :-). (I am just poking fun at what I feel is a normal process in life) Rick Marple San Antonio TX Subject: Re: love/career/work If it becomes obvious that you love your work and you work really hard at it... someone will discover that love and fix it so you work so hard you will soon hate it. It then becomes necessary to be self employed. While that isn't all bad, you have to live carefully, so carefully that it may make what you love become less than a love and more of an onus. beldonwade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2265 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:55:23 -0600 From: "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" To: "'briar@chicagonet.net'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Slight vent session... Message-ID: <587F49FABBEDD411A68F00A0C9EA313B5FCFE1@dasmthkhn561.amedd.army.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C199DE.733D6F40" I actually agree with both Robert and David, but I am an example of David's argument.Ź I majored in Chemistry, minored in music, had I not been in ROTC with a planned graduation date, I might have finished the major in music ed. This discussion has interested me because I had to face this decision many years ago, how to I choose between my love for music and my love for (fill in the blank, in my case sciences & math). I couldn't give up music so I filled my quarters out with music studies. My music hours matched and often exceeded my hours in chemistry, both departments tolerated my other "habit" for which I an eternally grateful. Now later in life, I am still reaping the rewards of having tackled a broad well rounded education. BTW, college is only the start of that education, or maybe only the foundation. Now I am a weekend warrior and a Lister (reader mostly). Once again, I am very grateful that both my music friends and my science friends tolerate my "habit" and I cannot imagine life without having done both. I will not ever be as good a player as if I had focused only on one area. But I am happy with my decision and I imagine there may be others out there for whom this option would fit them well. Rick Marple San Antonio TX -----Original Message----- From: Robert Holland [mailto:briar@chicagonet.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 11:47 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Slight vent session... David Guion wrote: > I have never thought of a music minor as ideal for anyone, and here's why: > the minimum credit hour in music required for a music minor is more than the > minimum credit hours required for any other major. That's right. Music > minors must spend more time on their minor than on their major unless they > take minimal music and far more than minimal whatever they're studying. Now, > since it's music, that's not necessarily a bad thing :-) On the other hand, > that could cause problems with faculty in their major field. People > contemplating a music minor must keep the consequences (both actual and > potential) in mind. You're right about all the details of being a music minor, but we still draw different conclusions. Yes, the minor overwhelms the major. However, the net result is that a student can graduate with a whole lot more musical experience than just playing in band and yet have a BA or BS that has a far greater likelihood of translating into a career. Maybe the music minor is just the thing the purge any musical ambitions one may harbor. Maybe the student just wants to learn about music without the burden of making it a career. Lots of possibilities short of aiming to be a professional. Robert Holland Briar Music Press briar@chicagonet.net http://members.aol.com/EnsPub/briar.htm ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2265 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:28:56 -0500 From: Walter Barrett To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Trombone Literature For A Wedding? Suggestions? Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 1/9/02 4:14 PM, Galen Zinn at zinger@musician.org sent forth into the cosmos: > Have you any suggestions for trombone literature to be used at a wedding? > > I am interested in both bass trombone solo literature and trombone quartet > literature. > > Thanks, > > Galen Zinn > E-mail: zinger@musician.org > > > There are 2 pieces in Doug Yeo's collection "Trombone Fundamentals" that work well... "Bist du bei mir" and "O Isis und Osiris" They're not hard to work up, and the accompaniments won't send the organist screaming for the exit. -- "If it sounds good, it IS good!" - Duke Ellington "It don't mean a thing, if it ain't got that certain je ne sais quoi!" - Peter Schickele Walter Barrett Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2265 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:22:20 -0500 From: "Paul D. Kemp, Jr." To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Trombone Literature For A Wedding? Suggestions? Message-ID: <000a01c199ea$99441f20$c67b4d0c@trbnplyr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have also found that all of the shorter solos in the Henry Charles Smith collection Solos for the Trombone Player work very well at weddings. Quartet Literature: Achieved is the Glorious Work Suite for 4 Trombones--Peeters Bach Chorales Any of the many Bach fugues transcribed for quartet Anything by Mendelssohn, Mozart, Schubert It doesn't have to be technically difficult-just sound good. Paul D. Kemp Jr. Chattanooga Symphony www.trbnplyr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Barrett" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 9:28 AM Subject: Re: Trombone Literature For A Wedding? Suggestions? > on 1/9/02 4:14 PM, Galen Zinn at zinger@musician.org sent forth into the > cosmos: > > > Have you any suggestions for trombone literature to be used at a wedding? > > > > I am interested in both bass trombone solo literature and trombone quartet > > literature. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Galen Zinn > > E-mail: zinger@musician.org > > > > > > > There are 2 pieces in Doug Yeo's collection "Trombone Fundamentals" that > work well... > > "Bist du bei mir" and "O Isis und Osiris" > > They're not hard to work up, and the accompaniments won't send the organist > screaming for the exit. > -- > "If it sounds good, it IS good!" - Duke Ellington > > "It don't mean a thing, if it ain't got that certain je ne sais quoi!" - > Peter Schickele > > Walter Barrett > > Yamaha Artist/Clinician > Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones > Euphonium > Bass Trumpet > Tuba > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2265 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:10:01 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: Richard.Marple@cen.amedd.army.mil, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Slight vent session... Message-ID: <78.2052623e.296f16d9@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Math and Science... That is where music starts and it ends up in ART. beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2265 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:12:16 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Slight vent session... Message-ID: <173.1e79ca8.296f1760@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I accidently deleted the first listed reply on love etc etc. If anyone still has it please forward. beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2265 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:24:31 EST From: BassBonist@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: love/career/work Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b2.4b67c2f.296f1a3f_boundary" << If your make something you love to do, eg. playing music, into your career, does that turn it into work?>> My brother-in-law explained it to me in a way that made a lot of sense: "When there is money involved, it becomes work." In other words, if you were doing it for free, it's not work. My bro-in-law is the type who built me a brick walkway for free so it wouldn't turn into "work." Bless the man who only wants a few beers for his sweat! I still attempt to approach music making with the same mindset as thought I were doing it for the sheer pleasure of it and that works about 60-70% of the time. The rest of the time, the paycheck is what motivates due to goofy conductors, poor sidemen or singers, overlong time commitments, and other things. Matt Varho Bass Trombonist South Coast Symphony, et al ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2265 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:59:20 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Slight vent session... Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Math and Science... That is where music starts and it ends up in ART. Yes Beldon, Another way of looking at it is that whenever math or science involves more than four variables (and sometimes three), it becomes art. I wonāt argue that Iām doing something less strenuous than composing music. I generally tell people that I think about as hard as one would when playing chess, some of the time, and checkers, the rest of the time. I spend most of my workday reading things, looking for how Murphy might creep into the wording. If something is inferred and not clearly stated, that raises a flag. Perhaps the biggest shortcoming to being an engineer is that that pessimistic viewpoint is hard to turn off, when I walk out of here, at night. Other than that, having a career doesnāt bore me to tears is certainly a great start. That it kind of comes naturally to me, is a mixed bag, but Iāve finally decided that itās quite all right to be a nerd, as long as you make sure that others know it, so that they wonāt develop other expectations, of you. DanP _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2265 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:09:52 -0700 From: Steve Gamble To: "'BassBonist@aol.com'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: love/career/work Message-ID: <01C199BE.F352A440.sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I put myself through undergrad doing janitorial work at JCPenny. After a few years in Chicago, I was able to make a living as a player. It was like being on a perpetual vacation. When I left there, it was back to doing whatever to pay the bills. I am, at last, again to the point where all my income is derived from musical work. Not to disparage the cleaning crew, but life is MUCH better as a musician. Counting my blessings. Steve Gamble Librarian Tucson Symphony Orchestra 2175 N. 6th Ave. Tucson, AZ 85705 (520) 792-9155 x118 (520) 792-9314 fax sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org -----Original Message----- From: BassBonist@aol.com [SMTP:BassBonist@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 9:25 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: love/career/work << File: ATT00011.htm >> <<> If your make something you love to do, eg. playing music, into your > career, does that turn it into work?>> My brother-in-law explained it to me in a way that made a lot of sense: "When there is money involved, it becomes work." In other words, if you were doing it for free, it's not work. My bro-in-law is the type who built me a brick walkway for free so it wouldn't turn into "work." Bless the man who only wants a few beers for his sweat! I still attempt to approach music making with the same mindset as thought I were doing it for the sheer pleasure of it and that works about 60-70% of the time. The rest of the time, the paycheck is what motivates due to goofy conductors, poor sidemen or singers, overlong time commitments, and other things. Matt Varho Bass Trombonist South Coast Symphony, et al ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2265 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:41:53 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Slight vent session... Message-ID: <20020110174153.90892.qmail@web10306.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Rod Ellard wrote: > If your make something you love to do, eg. playing music, > into your career, does that turn it into work? > > Rod > Yes, but so what? Why shouldn't your work be something you love to do? Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2265--