TROMBONE-L Digest 2257 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Conn's Abilene years? by "Gary Greenhoe" 2) Re: Music at the Super Bowl by "Richard Johnson" 3) Re: Music at the Super Bowl by "Gary D. Maxwell" 4) Stuart Dempster (?) book reissue by "Kenneth Pearce" 5) How does it go again? (was Music at the Super Bowl) by mahler427@aol.com 6) New Year Greeting by Larry White 7) Re: Trombone or other music related Christmas presents, anyone? by Bodie Pfost 8) Re: Music at the Super Bowl by Todd Jonz 9) Re: How does it go again? (was Music at the Super Bowl) by "keith.marr" 10) Re: How does it go again? (was Music at the Super Bowl) by "Richard Johnson" 11) SS Banner by "Joe L. Norcross" 12) Vibraphone wanted by "Kevan Lomas" 13) New Year Greetings by "Jerry Blomberg" 14) Re: How does it go again? (was Music at the Super Bowl) by "Gary D. Maxwell" 15) Re: SS Banner by "Gary D. Maxwell" 16) BACH BASS TROMBONE FOR SELL by Chicojbass@aol.com 17) Re: Stuart Dempster (?) book reissue by alex iles 18) Re: SS Banner by "Eric Landrieu" 19) Tips from the World of Sports by David Fetter 20) Re: Music at the Super Bowl by "Dean McCarty" 21) Re: SS Banner by Michael Shoshani 22) Rose Parade SS Banner - by carymusic 23) Brass Band Situations Wanted for January 2002 by Nigel Horne 24) Trombone vacancies for Jan 2002 by Nigel Horne 25) Re: SS Banner by ALFORDMB@aol.com 26) Re: Rose Parade SS Banner - by ALFORDMB@aol.com 27) Re: Rose Parade SS Banner - by "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" 28) RE: Music at the Super Bowl by Steve Gamble 29) Re: Music at the Super Bowl by Douglas Yeo 30) Re: Music at the Super Bowl by "Dean McCarty" 31) Re: Music at the Super Bowl by Douglas Yeo 32) Re: Music at the Super Bowl by "Richard Johnson" 33) Re: Rose Parade SS Banner - by "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" 34) Re: Music at the Super Bowl by "Gary D. Maxwell" 35) RE: Rose Parade SS Banner - by "Roger L. Karren" 36) RE: Rose Parade SS Banner by "Roger L. Karren" 37) RE: Music at the Super Bowl by "Jeffrey Albert" 38) Travel post 9/11 by "Jeffrey Albert" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 12:49:20 -0600 From: "Gary Greenhoe" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Conn's Abilene years? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Eric and list, I would rather agree with Dr. Banks....except I would extend the early Abiline production to 1970. I do recall rumors that Yamaha had some involvement in production around 1970. At the time, all of us Conn artists ;-)were very worried as the production in Elkhart was winding down. Conn was still quite active in the late 60's though, as I was the recipient of a prototype 88-H that had an outboard string linkage that they were testing. I was in the Marine Band at the time, and I convinced the band to buy the instrument for me. That would have been in 1967 and I know the factory in Elkhart was going strong through most of '69. Regards, Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Eric & Candice Swanson Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 10:23 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Conn's Abilene years? > >Should be about 1972 give or take (production was gradually shifted > >to Abilene) > >to 1986. That should be pretty close anyway. > > > >Check out http://www.usd.edu/~mbanks/CONTENT.html > > > >Eric Swanson Gary Sloane wrote: > According to Lars Kirsmer's serial number lists > (http://www.musictrader.com/conn.html) the > approximate dates for Abilene production were > 1967-74. > > Gary, What Lars says is, "Data for the years 1967 to March 1974 is rather sketchy, for it was around that period of time that the Conn Brasswinds were being manufactured in Abilene, TX." Note he says "around that period". I like my source better. Dr. Banks is an expert on the history of Conn, she's writing a book on the subject. Check out her website, really. Very informative. Eric ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:26:12 -0600 From: "Richard Johnson" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Music at the Super Bowl Message-ID: <001001c192fa$2c7aa900$30ad9d42@zemry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just read the article, Doug. I hope that you are close to Mariah Carey while you are "playing" the Sar-Spangled Banner. Seriously though, she has a very amazing voice. **************************************************************************** ** Richard Zemry Johnson, Jr. "The Untouchables" Jazz Ensemble Shreveport Metropolitan Concert Band ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, , "There won't come a time when you won't have to practice anymore." J. J. Johnson **************************************************************************** ***** I'm not satisfied with anything about my playing. I know what I want. I can hear it; but it will take time and study to get it" -Sonny Rollins (1956) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:40:23 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Music at the Super Bowl Message-ID: <000c01c192fc$288fa140$8d525d3f@garymaxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Richard Johnson" > I just read the article, Doug. I hope that you are close to Mariah Carey > while you are "playing" the Sar-Spangled Banner. Seriously though, she has a > very amazing voice. ================================================================== I'm sure I'll hear about this, but here goes anyway. I certainly hope she even knows the words, and doesn't butcher it like others we have all heard. Trombone content? Well, with the Boston Pops bone section backing her up, they can drown her out, if need be. HAPPY, HAPPY EVERYONE! Gary Maxwell Bass Trombone Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:36:12 -0800 From: "Kenneth Pearce" To: "Trombone-L" Subject: Stuart Dempster (?) book reissue Message-ID: <000b01c192fb$99a10dc0$e8e394d1@kbpearce> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C192B8.841FD140" Happy holidays all! I seem to remember that a while ago someone mentioned that a book on extended techniques for the trombone had recently been reissued with a CD or CD-ROM. I think that it was the Stuart Dempster book, but I can't exactly remember. Can anyone give me some info? Thanks a bunch. Kenneth Pearce Vancouver, BC kbpearce@sprint.ca ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:04:59 EST From: mahler427@aol.com To: Trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: How does it go again? (was Music at the Super Bowl) Message-ID: <15e.675fdd9.2963706b@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List, While doing time in the University of Tennessee marching band, I went to a bowl game in Miami where the Star Spangled Banner was performed by R&B singers KC & Jo-Jo. Between the two of them, they could not manage to come up with all of the words to our national Anthem. It was the single most disgraceful event I have been witness to. I think, however, after the events of September 11, 2001, all of the performers are much more careful to know the words to our national anthem, if for no other reason than to not be embarrassed in public. Has anyone heard of any other incidents like the one I described above post-Sept. 11? Just curious about that. -Joseph ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 12:09:08 -0800 From: Larry White To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: New Year Greeting Message-ID: <3C321764.28DF108F@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL FROM The West Coast Whitehouse May you all have a Very Happy and Healthy 2002, and may your slides keep working wonders for you! Larry White Vancouver BC ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 12:19:00 -0800 From: Bodie Pfost To: Trombone Mailing List Subject: Re: Trombone or other music related Christmas presents, anyone? Message-ID: <3C3219B4.5A26EEE@humboldt1.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got a Korg CA-30, a Classical Music Encyclopedia, and a couple of CDs ("1000: A Mass for the End of Time" by Anonymous 4, and "Allegri Miserere" by The Tallis Scholars). -- Bodie Pfost Richard Johnson wrote: > > My wife got me a keyboard, a musical one not one for the computer. > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 12:54:25 -0800 From: Todd Jonz To: Trombone-L mailing list Subject: Re: Music at the Super Bowl Message-ID: <20020101125425.E399@tj.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Douglas Yeo writes: > The Boston Pops Orchestra will be playing the pre-game show > at NFL Super Bowl XXXVI on February 3....we'll buzz on down > to Bourbon Street to back up...US Presidents Ford, Carter, > Bush Sr. and Clinton who will be narrating Copland's "A > Lincoln Portrait." Shucks. I was so hoping that these four were planning to cover a Backstreet Boys set.... -- Todd Jonz When cryptography is outlawed, todd@tj.org bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:25:56 -0000 From: "keith.marr" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: How does it go again? (was Music at the Super Bowl) Message-ID: <001c01c1930c$d7112440$632b3c3e@tiny> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A guy called Alistair Cooke has been doing his 15-minute "letter from America" on BBC Radio 4 for many years now. His despatch last week commented on how much he hated "God Bless America" as being over-sentimental etc., etc. Apparently up until "W" issued a ruling to play the National Anthem at Sept11 commemorations Irving Berlin's song was all you heard over there. The only time Cooke had heard the National Anthem between Sept11 and "W"'s ruling was when the Coldstream Guards band played it outside Buckingham Palace! Since then he had heard so many bad renditions that he reckoned the Guards band should go over there and show 'em how. Certainly on the few occasions I have managed to see big events from US over the years, like superbowl, whoever sang the Anthem absolutely murdered it. Call me an old fogey if you like but can't anyone just sing a tune straight anymore. They seem to think it clever to turn it into a Handelian aria via Gospel, via R&B. Good luck on getting a good Anthem played properly listers! Cheers and a Happy 2002! Keith in Bb/F/D ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 8:04 PM Subject: How does it go again? (was Music at the Super Bowl) > List, > While doing time in the University of Tennessee marching band, I went > to a bowl game in Miami where the Star Spangled Banner was performed by R&B > singers KC & Jo-Jo. Between the two of them, they could not manage to come up > with all of the words to our national Anthem. It was the single most > disgraceful event I have been witness to. > I think, however, after the events of September 11, 2001, all of the > performers are much more careful to know the words to our national anthem, if > for no other reason than to not be embarrassed in public. Has anyone heard of > any other incidents like the one I described above post-Sept. 11? Just > curious about that. > > -Joseph > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:59:31 -0600 From: "Richard Johnson" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: How does it go again? (was Music at the Super Bowl) Message-ID: <002601c1930f$976d4dc0$30ad9d42@zemry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nothing post 9-11.....however pre 9-11, there was the infamous Rosanne Barr rendition and the infamous Carl Lewis rendition at a basketball game, I think. Did Whitney Houston forget the words one time? On a trombone related note, my trombone quartet has asked to perform a redition of the Star Spangled Banner at one of the "Mudbugs" games. The Mudbugs are our local semi-professional hockey team. Semi-pro hockey is quite popular in the south. During the break, the mudbug mascot, a giant crawfish, rides on a four-wheeler on the ice and shoots t-shirts to the crowd through some pneumatic device. In addition, a pickup truck hauls the cheerleaders in the back during the breaks also. **************************************************************************** ** Richard Zemry Johnson, Jr. "The Untouchables" Jazz Ensemble Shreveport Metropolitan Concert Band ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, , "There won't come a time when you won't have to practice anymore." J. J. Johnson **************************************************************************** ***** I'm not satisfied with anything about my playing. I know what I want. I can hear it; but it will take time and study to get it" -Sonny Rollins (1956) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 2:04 PM Subject: How does it go again? (was Music at the Super Bowl) > List, > While doing time in the University of Tennessee marching band, I went > to a bowl game in Miami where the Star Spangled Banner was performed by R&B > singers KC & Jo-Jo. Between the two of them, they could not manage to come up > with all of the words to our national Anthem. It was the single most > disgraceful event I have been witness to. > I think, however, after the events of September 11, 2001, all of the > performers are much more careful to know the words to our national anthem, if > for no other reason than to not be embarrassed in public. Has anyone heard of > any other incidents like the one I described above post-Sept. 11? Just > curious about that. > > -Joseph ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:16:17 -0800 From: "Joe L. Norcross" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: SS Banner Message-ID: <005101c19311$f031b0c0$88ddaec7@computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good discussion so far I have almost given up on hearing a pop singer do it well. Just sing the words to the right melody, don't try to embellish it and be proud to live in America. To many simple songs are destroyed by singers trying to show off. I have heard the banner, God Bless America and Amazing Grace ao over embellished I cry. Joe L. Norcross Tuba: Visalia CA Sequoia Winds Bass Trombone: Clovis CA Community Band Tuba and Announcer: Kingsburg CA City Band joetuba@lightspeed.net ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:44:23 -0000 From: "Kevan Lomas" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Vibraphone wanted Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Not strictly trombone related I know but the situation is grave and I thought someone in T-L land might be able to help. My band is looking to buy a second hand vibraphone (we had one on long-term loan and it has had to go back) We would prefer to buy in the UK but if the price is right we will consider buying from overseas All the best for 2002 Kevan Lomas Warrington England kevan.lomas@virgin.net ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:02:14 -0800 From: "Jerry Blomberg" To: "trombone list" Subject: New Year Greetings Message-ID: <000501c19320$bd0bfac0$08969c40@cubs> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Want to wish everyone on the List a very Happy New Year. After lurking here for awhile, I feel like some of you have become my good friends. I thank you for all the knowledge and help I have received. This is a great source of info and fun. ####################### Jerry Blomberg, President & CEO Bridan Valley & Western Railroad and Bass Trombonist Wannabee HO Gauge Rules jerrzo@netzero.net <>< ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:57:34 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: How does it go again? (was Music at the Super Bowl) Message-ID: <000601c19320$16de79c0$04525d3f@garymaxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Richard Johnson" > In addition, a pickup truck hauls the > cheerleaders in the back during the breaks also. =================================================================== TAKE THE CHEERLEADER VEHICLE RICHARD, and good luck remembering the tune you are playing. (:>)) Gary Maxwell ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:00:28 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: SS Banner Message-ID: <000b01c19320$7df613c0$04525d3f@garymaxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Joe L. Norcross" > Good discussion so far > I have almost given up on hearing a pop singer do it well. Just sing the > words to the right melody, don't try to embellish it and be proud to live in > America. > To many simple songs are destroyed by singers trying to show off. =================================================================== And didn't it start with Jose Feliciano's original butchering? Gary Maxwell ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:31:25 EST From: Chicojbass@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: BACH BASS TROMBONE FOR SELL Message-ID: <197.99800b.2963aedd@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BACH BASS WITH DBL THAYER FOR SELL. IN GOOD COND. PLEASE EMAIL FOR MORE INFO FELIX CHICOJBASS@AOL.COM ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 16:57:58 -0800 From: alex iles To: kbpearce@sprint.ca Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Stuart Dempster (?) book reissue Message-ID: <3C325ACF.CDD51641@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Ken and all, The book you referred to is called "The Modern Trombone: A Definition of Its Idioms" by Stuart Dempster. It is published by Accura Music [I am pretty sure you can get it at Hickey's..right Chuck?]. It comes with a CD of Mr. Dempster giving recorded examples of many of the techniques described in the book [including multiphonics, vowel sounds, vibrato techniques, unusual tonguing techniques, percussion effects, "body sounds", and mute techniques...etc etc!]. His research draws on many musical traditions including 20th century composition, jazz of all eras, "world" music and even Spike Jones! The book is very well written, accessible and clearly organized. You can tell he really has FUN playing and experimenting with this material and literature. Mr. Dempster also shares many valuable insights into how to go about preparing many pieces from the "avant garde" solo trombone literature. He discusses many composers and their work including Berio, Cage and Erickson [the entire "General's Speech", for example is printed in the book]. Personally, I encounter very few trombonists who have REALLY explored this tonal [a-tonal!!] world very much recently. Dempster is a real artist with a brilliant imagination who has used the trombone [as well as garden hose and didjeridu!] as his medium throughout his illustrious career. He is a great example of someone who is not a product of the jazz/classical dichotomy rampant within so many musical educational and professional institutions. But I digress... I also highly recommend any of his solo recordings for trombonists interested in exploring something totally different. While much of the music can be tedious to listen to at first, you might use the experience to prepare for if/when you encounter some of these musical ideas yourself. At least you can be more familiar with some of this stuff than someone who rejects it completely upon first listen!! I have also seen that Per Brevig has a book on contemporary techniques. I have not read that one yet. Anyone checked that one out? Best wishes, Alex ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 20:05:53 -0500 (EST) From: "Eric Landrieu" To: "joetuba@lightspeed.net" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: SS Banner Message-ID: <20020102010555.GBIW20896.femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That reminds me of one time... I think it was a World Series game. The Star Spangled Banner was done in a dramatic reading by James Earl Jones, with the orchestra playing in the background, and all sorts of glitz going on around it. I love hearing James Earl Jones, but I sat the whole time thinking that they took the glitz of the whole thing around him way too far. Then, because the sport had Canadian teams, they had the lead singer of the rock group Rush come out, and he did a very simple and beautiful singing of O Canada. I was almost ashamed of how much better I thought his simple, stirring,rendition of their anthem was than the overdone Hollywood stylings thrown around one of the great voices of our time. And then, a few days later in the newspaper, somebody had the absolute gall to praise our version and rip apart the singing of O, Canada, because they didn't put all the extra garbage around it! My jaw hit the floor! I've always found that I like the simple arrangements better, and I've always hated the vocal gymnastics that many singers put on the piece (the vocal equivalent of the Kenny G 45-minute circular breathing exercise). Personally, other than in high school and college, where we played the standard Moffitt version of the SSB, I'd performed it twice for sporting events, both as part of a group. Both arrangements were fairly simple and tasteful (neither was the absolute plain vanilla, but they never left you wondering what you'd been listening to for what seems like twenty minutes)... one was singing for a Trenton Thunder (minor league baseball) game, and one was playing for a Baltimore Orioles game. Both times, the crowds were extremely appreciative of the arrangements. Once some people learn that difficult or complex doesn't automatically equal good (another whole topic entirely), maybe they'll start singing them where I'll want to listen. Eric Landrieu On Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:16:17 -0800, Joe L. Norcross wrote: >Good discussion so far >I have almost given up on hearing a pop singer do it well. Just sing the >words to the right melody, don't try to embellish it and be proud to live in >America. >To many simple songs are destroyed by singers trying to show off. >I have heard the banner, God Bless America and Amazing Grace ao over >embellished I cry. > >Joe L. Norcross >Tuba: Visalia CA Sequoia Winds >Bass Trombone: Clovis CA Community Band >Tuba and Announcer: Kingsburg CA City Band >joetuba@lightspeed.net > > > Eric Landrieu eland3@home.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 21:24:10 -0500 (EST) From: David Fetter To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Tips from the World of Sports Message-ID: <1009938250.3c326f4a668b7@webmail.toad.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At a music medicine conference some years ago here in Baltimore, I heard a lecture by a sports physician. What caught my interest most among his stipulations was the "48 hour rule" - that one should rest 48 hours after strenuous activity. Of course, orchestra musicians often see much shorter periods of rest. Could it be that the typical orchestra routine of playing heavily every day is counterproductive? Could it be that heavy concerts and/or rehearsals scheduled every other day with at least 46 hours between would produce better performances and longer careers? Do opera singers and baseball pitchers, who routinely rest 4 days or more between performances, have something valuable to teach us? Sitting here in my easy chair, 15-16 years after orchestra duty, hindsight says yes. David Fetter - digest subscriber - former Baltimore Symphony Peabody Conservatory and Preparatory Trombone Faculties Associate Dean for Performance Activities and Placement 1 East Mt. Vernon Place Baltimore, MD 21202 David Fetter - Music for Brass (Mostly) Home page: www.peabody.jhu.edu/~davidf/ _________________________________________________________________________ This mail sent via toadmail.com, web e-mail @ ToadNet - want to go fast? http://www.toadmail.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:40:52 -0600 From: "Dean McCarty" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Music at the Super Bowl Message-ID: <006701c19347$ab8892a0$b00960cc@compaqcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary D. Maxwell > I'm sure I'll hear about this, but here goes anyway. I certainly hope she > even knows the words, and doesn't butcher it like others we have all heard. > > Trombone content? Well, with the Boston Pops bone section backing her up, > they can drown her out, if need be. Well Gary... I have to say something. Sometimes I think that us "trained musicians" tend to lead the pack when it comes to the pop music trashing. True... most of what is out there is mediocre. But, there are the few that are genuinely talented individuals. Mariah Carey is one of those. She not only has an incredible range, but she also writes most of her music and uses "real" sidemen, not synthesized mush. As one of pop music's "superstars" she truly does shine (even though I don't like all of her material). I think that the powers that be chose wisely for this year's super bowl. One of America's top pop superstars backed up by America's most well known orchestra... It's entertainment for the masses. I, for one, am glad to see that they are asking the orchestra down in person instead of having Ms. Carey sing to canned music. I think that it's great. Remember... these are football fans in attendance... and over 40% of those that will watch on television are watching for the pre-game and half-time hoopla, another 40% are watching to see the funny commercials... and the other 20% are watching for the actual game... because historically the super bowl is usually quite boring after the 2nd quarter. I will be watching for sure to see the Boston Pops Orchestra... I think that it will be a first for the super bowl. But, on another note... I agree with many of the other posts concerning over ornamenting the Star Spangled Banner. I hope that Ms. Carey does it with taste... especially given the Sept. 11 events and what they have shaped this country into. Have fun down in New Orleans Doug. Make sure that you eat at Ralph and Cakoos while you are there... great seafood. And of course you cannot miss Cafe duMonde on the Boardwalk. As for trombone content on my reply... I am sure that the members of the Boston Pops will be seeing many young entertaining trombonists on the streets of New Orleans... especially during Super Bowl weekend. Doug, let us know two things.... how young is the youngest player there? (I saw a 10 year old there once... he was quite awful... but his 15 year old brother was actually quite good for his age on trumpet). And how far out was he puffing his cheeks? All in good fun! I would say "How 'Bout Them Cowboys!" But I guess that just isn't fitting this decade. Dean McCarty freelance trombonist, Houston area ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 22:39:25 -0600 From: Michael Shoshani To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: SS Banner Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "Eric Landrieu" wrote: >That reminds me of one time... I think it was a World Series game. The Star Spangled >Banner was done in a dramatic reading by James Earl Jones, with the orchestra >playing in the background, and all sorts of glitz going on around it. I love hearing >James Earl Jones, but I sat the whole time thinking that they took the glitz of the whole >thing around him way too far. Then, because the sport had Canadian teams, they had >the lead singer of the rock group Rush come out, and he did a very simple and >beautiful singing of O Canada. I was almost ashamed of how much better I thought his >simple, stirring,rendition of their anthem was than the overdone Hollywood stylings >thrown around one of the great voices of our time. Note: that lead singer is Geddy Lee. I never could stand Rush when I was younger, but I too thought his rendition of "O Canada" was magnifique. Michael Shoshani ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 03:21:14 -0700 From: carymusic To: Eric Landrieu , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Rose Parade SS Banner - Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Interesting that this thread should arise after watching the opening of the Rose Bowl Parade this morning. The Marine Corp Band (I think) did one of the worst intrepretations of the SSB ever. Very rushed, phrasing was very odd, and it left me with the feeling that the conductor felt no connection to the feeling and emotion the song should carry. Especially strange performance for what is normally a great service band. Anyone else feel that? Cary Hobbs ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:40:01 +0000 From: Nigel Horne To: rec.music.classical.performing.alt.music.band-director.rec.music.makers.bands.alt.music.makers.available-wanted@smsltd.demon.co.uk Cc: brass-band.brass@lists.fsu.edu.alt.music.tuba.alt.music.trombone.tubaeuph@yahoogroups.com.tbonecentral@yahoogroups.com.trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu.tuba-l@listserv.vt.edu Subject: Brass Band Situations Wanted for January 2002 Message-ID: <02010210400103.01489@smsltd.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit People listed here are looking for a brass band to play in. To advertise here send details to njh@desmapped.com in the form: Name, Position sought, Location, E-Mail address, WWW address. All of the people listed here are amateur musicians and give their time freely. They will neither charge a fee or claim expenses. Professional and semi-professional entries can be found on the Professional Cards page, http://www.bandsman.co.uk/professional.htm. Other points as per the vacancy list. Kathryn Hill (posted 22/10/01) Soprano/Cornet/Flugel Saltash, CORNWALL, UK kaifer@eurobell.co.uk Jo Brown (posted 12/11/01) Flugel Durham, COUNTY DURHAM, UK missflugel@hotmail.com Dave Wilcock (posted 15/11/01) Cornet Buckley, FLINTSHIRE, UK WDavewilcock@aol.com Andrew Fenton (posted 29/10/01) Euphonium Hatfield, HERTFORDSHIRE, UK andypfenton@hotmail.com Ketherine Morley (posted 19/12/01) Cornet/Flugel MANCHESTER, UK k_morley@hotmail.com Alan Birch (posted 2/1/02) Bass Wirral, MERSEYSIDE, UK alan.birch@freeuk.com Steve Burgess (posted 17/12/01) Soprano Feltham, MIDDLESEX, UK s.burgess@blueyonder.co.uk Clive Morris (posted 1/10/01) Trombone Hebden Bridge, WEST YORKSHIRE, UK mozman2001uk@yahoo.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:33:16 +0000 From: Nigel Horne To: alt.trombone.tbonecentral@yahoogroups.com.trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Trombone vacancies for Jan 2002 Message-ID: <02010210331600.01489@smsltd.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Happy New Year! Here is a precie of trombone vacancies advertised at the brass band portal. 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Arranger, Composer, Typesetter. Owner of the brass band group of the Internet. ICQ#20252325 njh@bandsman.co.uk http://www.bandsman.co.uk/music.htm ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:45:08 EST From: ALFORDMB@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: SS Banner Message-ID: <26.20f16643.29645ad4@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 01/01/2002 5:20:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, joetuba@lightspeed.net writes: > Good discussion so far > I have almost given up on hearing a pop singer do it well. Just sing the > words to the right melody, don't try to embellish it and be proud to live in > America. > To many simple songs are destroyed by singers trying to show off. > I have heard the banner, God Bless America and Amazing Grace ao over > embellished I cry. > > Joe L. Norcross > Tuba: Visalia CA Sequoia Winds AMEN, BROTHER! Mariah Carey seems to be a good musician though and hopefully her musical taste will carry the day. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:52:19 EST From: ALFORDMB@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Rose Parade SS Banner - Message-ID: <18.17ea0046.29645c83@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 01/02/2002 5:28:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, carymusic@earthlink.net writes: > Interesting that this thread should arise after watching the opening of the > Rose Bowl Parade this morning. The Marine Corp Band (I think) did one of > the worst intrepretations of the SSB ever. Very rushed, phrasing was > very odd, and it left me with the feeling that the conductor felt no > connection to the feeling and emotion the song should carry. Especially > strange performance for what is normally a great service band. > > Anyone else feel that? > > Cary Hobbs That does seem unsual. Was that with Timothy Foley? I wouldn't have thought he would succomb to that temptation. Mike Alford ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:09:23 -0500 (EST) From: "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" To: ALFORDMB@aol.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Rose Parade SS Banner - Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 ALFORDMB@aol.com wrote: > That does seem unsual. Was that with Timothy Foley? I wouldn't have thought > he would succomb to that temptation. Far as I know the Marine Band has never graced the Rose Parade, they don't need the advertising nor expense. What color were the uniform coats (hint)? That was probably the West Coast Marine Corps "Pickup Band" or a unit from Twentynine Palms or somesuch. Did they have an equestrian unit (hint)? Did the color guard have that "show troop" look about them, all the same size and perfectly matched? There are no short Marines at 8th & I. Hard to imagine Tim Foley losing his mind. The most shocking thing I heard about the Rose parade was that the fellow driving the four-in-hand Friesians put to the park drag did not have the leaders in draft and was not carrying a whip. Carole Nowicke (missed most of the parade) cnowicke@indiana.edu ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:49:06 -0700 From: Steve Gamble To: "'Dean McCarty'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Music at the Super Bowl Message-ID: <01C19359.942E01A0.sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Didn't Doug say that the Pops was recording the music ahead of time? That's canned isn't it? Steve Gamble Librarian Tucson Symphony Orchestra 2175 N. 6th Ave. Tucson, AZ 85705 (520) 792-9155 x118 (520) 792-9314 fax sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org -----Original Message----- From: Dean McCarty [SMTP:bassbone@exp.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 9:41 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Music at the Super Bowl ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary D. Maxwell > I'm sure I'll hear about this, but here goes anyway. I certainly hope she > even knows the words, and doesn't butcher it like others we have all heard. > > Trombone content? Well, with the Boston Pops bone section backing her up, > they can drown her out, if need be. Well Gary... I have to say something. Sometimes I think that us "trained musicians" tend to lead the pack when it comes to the pop music trashing. True... most of what is out there is mediocre. But, there are the few that are genuinely talented individuals. Mariah Carey is one of those. She not only has an incredible range, but she also writes most of her music and uses "real" sidemen, not synthesized mush. As one of pop music's "superstars" she truly does shine (even though I don't like all of her material). I think that the powers that be chose wisely for this year's super bowl. One of America's top pop superstars backed up by America's most well known orchestra... It's entertainment for the masses. I, for one, am glad to see that they are asking the orchestra down in person instead of having Ms. Carey sing to canned music. I think that it's great. Remember... these are football fans in attendance... and over 40% of those that will watch on television are watching for the pre-game and half-time hoopla, another 40% are watching to see the funny commercials... and the other 20% are watching for the actual game... because historically the super bowl is usually quite boring after the 2nd quarter. I will be watching for sure to see the Boston Pops Orchestra... I think that it will be a first for the super bowl. But, on another note... I agree with many of the other posts concerning over ornamenting the Star Spangled Banner. I hope that Ms. Carey does it with taste... especially given the Sept. 11 events and what they have shaped this country into. Have fun down in New Orleans Doug. Make sure that you eat at Ralph and Cakoos while you are there... great seafood. And of course you cannot miss Cafe duMonde on the Boardwalk. As for trombone content on my reply... I am sure that the members of the Boston Pops will be seeing many young entertaining trombonists on the streets of New Orleans... especially during Super Bowl weekend. Doug, let us know two things.... how young is the youngest player there? (I saw a 10 year old there once... he was quite awful... but his 15 year old brother was actually quite good for his age on trumpet). And how far out was he puffing his cheeks? All in good fun! I would say "How 'Bout Them Cowboys!" But I guess that just isn't fitting this decade. Dean McCarty freelance trombonist, Houston area ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:49:42 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Music at the Super Bowl Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" A few follow up comments regarding the upcoming Boston Pops performance at the Super Bowl pre-game show... I don't think I've knowingly heard Mariah Carey sing, although I'm sure I've been around a radio when she's been on. What I CAN say is that the arrangement we laid down for the SSB was quite tasteful, beginning rather subdued and building to a nice climax. Carey has had a bit of a rough patch in her personal life and this performance is, I understand, an important part of her comeback. Here's hoping she sings as tastefully as the arrangement seems to be. From reports, she has a very wide vocal range (hence our recording the SSB in E major - a high key if there ever was one) - I think we can count on her bumping up an octave or two on "land of the FREE" which seems to be standard procedure these days. The show will include four former US Presidents narrating "Lincoln Portrait." There is an attempt here to have some dignity to the program. Let's hope that happens. Dean McCarty is right - this is entertainment for the masses. It's not "high art" by any means and isn't trying to be. The producers of the show wanted "America's Orchestra" to play because the program's content changed after September 11 - it is now going to have a patriotic focus. A few years ago (during the Gulf War) a similar thing happened at the Super Bowl when the Florida Orchestra played the Super Bowl (Whitney Houston sang the SSB) and the performance was subsequently released on CD and video and sold millions. Obviously there is a market for this kind of thing. I don't think we do much to argue the merits of X or Y singing - "taste" is something which we will never agree on and in the end, the event is on TV and we all have the power of the "on/off" switch (like the delete key on our computer). The fact that the orchestra has pre-recorded the music and we will be playing along with out own tracks is actually standard procedure for performances in domed stadiums; this has been done many times before (not only at previous Super Bowls, but other events as well) - trying to play live inside a domed stadium can be horrific for ensemble - just ask anyone who's done it at a marching band show. The Super Bowl is about big bucks and timing. They don't want something to screw up, don't want to leave anything to chance. Also, if the show is successful, they may want to release it on CD or video - a live feed wouldn't be any good for that since the crowd of 100,000 will be carrying on and screaming the whole time. We could argue on and on whether it's "honest" but since there is no secret being made that we are recording the music, I don't see a problem. Again, this is a practical thing. They could have used synth, or had us record it and send ringers down for TV but they're not doing that. It's estimated that 800,000,000 people will watch the Super Bowl. 800 million. That's a lot of people. I don't think we'll make many converts to classical music because we play Copland's "Fanfare for the Common Man" and "Lincoln Portrait." But that's not the point. We also recorded a Bernstein Broadway show medley, "When the Saints Go Marching In" (Billy May arr) and a few other things. The Boston Pops is a cultural icon. And we're happy to be going (even though the schedule will be grueling). I'm a football fan and have never been to a Super Bowl. The game is almost incidental to me - for me, it will be the EXPERIENCE of being there in a room with 100,000 people at out country's biggest one day sporting event. One more thing... The Boston Symphony brass section has played the National Anthem at 5 New England Patriots games in recent years (Bob Kraft, the owner of the Patriots, is a member of the board of the BSO). Every time we've played, the Patriots have won. :-) (Ducking now, but, hey, remember, it's only a game!) -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:19:40 -0600 From: "Dean McCarty" To: "Trombones and related issues forum" , Subject: Re: Music at the Super Bowl Message-ID: <001f01c193a0$e752d3a0$420960cc@compaqcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes Steve it is canned... but traditionally groups of this sort record beforehand at a high profile gig... especially in a domed coliseum. I have played in domes before... it's horrendous. The super bowl is big bucks.... they don't want it screwed up. The fact is that they are flying the Boston Pops down to New Orleans to be visible. Why not have the Louisiana Philharmonic record it and just have Ms. Carey sing to that? The reason is exposure and image. Yes... it will be taped beforehand... but I would venture to bet that there will be monitors on the field and the orchestra will play along. Just a guess. Dean McCarty freelance trombonist, Houston area ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Gamble To: 'Dean McCarty' ; Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 7:49 AM Subject: RE: Music at the Super Bowl > Didn't Doug say that the Pops was recording the music ahead of time? That's canned isn't it? > > Steve Gamble > Librarian > Tucson Symphony Orchestra > 2175 N. 6th Ave. > Tucson, AZ 85705 > (520) 792-9155 x118 > (520) 792-9314 fax > sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dean McCarty [SMTP:bassbone@exp.net] > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 9:41 PM > To: Trombones and related issues forum. > Subject: Re: Music at the Super Bowl > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gary D. Maxwell > > > I'm sure I'll hear about this, but here goes anyway. I certainly hope she > > even knows the words, and doesn't butcher it like others we have all > heard. > > > > Trombone content? Well, with the Boston Pops bone section backing her up, > > they can drown her out, if need be. > > Well Gary... I have to say something. Sometimes I think that us "trained > musicians" tend to lead the pack when it comes to the pop music trashing. > True... most of what is out there is mediocre. But, there are the few that > are genuinely talented individuals. Mariah Carey is one of those. She not > only has an incredible range, but she also writes most of her music and uses > "real" sidemen, not synthesized mush. As one of pop music's "superstars" > she truly does shine (even though I don't like all of her material). I > think that the powers that be chose wisely for this year's super bowl. One > of America's top pop superstars backed up by America's most well known > orchestra... It's entertainment for the masses. I, for one, am glad to see > that they are asking the orchestra down in person instead of having Ms. > Carey sing to canned music. I think that it's great. Remember... these > are football fans in attendance... and over 40% of those that will watch on > television are watching for the pre-game and half-time hoopla, another 40% > are watching to see the funny commercials... and the other 20% are watching > for the actual game... because historically the super bowl is usually quite > boring after the 2nd quarter. > > I will be watching for sure to see the Boston Pops Orchestra... I think that > it will be a first for the super bowl. > > But, on another note... I agree with many of the other posts concerning over > ornamenting the Star Spangled Banner. I hope that Ms. Carey does it with > taste... especially given the Sept. 11 events and what they have shaped this > country into. > > Have fun down in New Orleans Doug. Make sure that you eat at Ralph and > Cakoos while you are there... great seafood. And of course you cannot miss > Cafe duMonde on the Boardwalk. > > As for trombone content on my reply... I am sure that the members of the > Boston Pops will be seeing many young entertaining trombonists on the > streets of New Orleans... especially during Super Bowl weekend. Doug, let > us know two things.... how young is the youngest player there? (I saw a 10 > year old there once... he was quite awful... but his 15 year old brother was > actually quite good for his age on trumpet). And how far out was he puffing > his cheeks? > > All in good fun! I would say "How 'Bout Them Cowboys!" But I guess that > just isn't fitting this decade. > > Dean McCarty > freelance trombonist, Houston area > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:31:54 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: "Dean McCarty" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Music at the Super Bowl Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 9:19 AM -0600 1/2/02, Dean McCarty wrote: Yes... it will be taped beforehand... but I would venture to bet that there will be monitors on the field and the orchestra will play along. Just a guess. A correct guess; we've been told we will either have headphones or individual monitors. We will be playing but what the TV audience will hear (and most of the live audience) will be what we recorded earlier. The narrations by the US Presidents will be pre-recorded as well. Let's hope Clinton doesn't start talking when Ford's supposed to be speaking.... :-) -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:33:42 -0600 From: "Richard Johnson" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Music at the Super Bowl Message-ID: <002001c193a2$dc0e6340$30ad9d42@zemry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mariah Carey has had some well publicized rough patches in her personal life as of late. I guess it lets us know that even the beautiful, rich and talented have problems also. I'm eagerly anticipating hearing her sing with the Boston Pops. If Mariah sings up to her potential, then I imagine that this may very well be the best received Star Spangled Banner since Whitney Houston sang it one year. I've played in the Super Dome with my college band way back in the dark ages of 1976...I believe it was. It is not an easy thing to do. Oh, Doug, try Louiga's, located in the French Quarters, for an outstanding muffeletta! Soul food..Dokey Chase! **************************************************************************** ** Richard Zemry Johnson, Jr. "The Untouchables" Jazz Ensemble Shreveport Metropolitan Concert Band ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, , "There won't come a time when you won't have to practice anymore." J. J. Johnson **************************************************************************** ***** I'm not satisfied with anything about my playing. I know what I want. I can hear it; but it will take time and study to get it" -Sonny Rollins (1956) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Yeo" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 8:49 AM Subject: Re: Music at the Super Bowl > A few follow up comments regarding the upcoming Boston Pops > performance at the Super Bowl pre-game show... > > I don't think I've knowingly heard Mariah Carey sing, although I'm > sure I've been around a radio when she's been on. What I CAN say is > that the arrangement we laid down for the SSB was quite tasteful, > beginning rather subdued and building to a nice climax. Carey has > had a bit of a rough patch in her personal life and this performance > is, I understand, an important part of her comeback. Here's hoping > she sings as tastefully as the arrangement seems to be. From > reports, she has a very wide vocal range (hence our recording the SSB > in E major - a high key if there ever was one) - I think we can count > on her bumping up an octave or two on "land of the FREE" which seems > to be standard procedure these days. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:10:27 -0500 (EST) From: "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" To: carymusic Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Rose Parade SS Banner - Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, carymusic wrote: > Interesting that this thread should arise after watching the opening of the > Rose Bowl Parade this morning. The Marine Corp Band (I think) did one of Yeah, Marine Corps Pick Up Band (from House & Garden TV's website): "U. S. Marine Corps West Coast Composite Band (#2) Representing: San Diego, CA Since the birth of the United States Marine Band in 1798, Marine music has expanded into 12 field bands. The West Coast Composite Band is composed of the four Marine bands from California, and the Rose Parade's 5-1/2-mile march down Colorado Blvd. is the only event during the year that brings these four fantastic bands together. Mikel G. Laird, director " Carole Nowicke cnowicke@indiana.edu ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:18:26 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Music at the Super Bowl Message-ID: <002301c193a9$1d4c99c0$85525d3f@garymaxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Let's hope Clinton doesn't start talking when Ford's supposed to be > speaking.... ====================================================== He'll, most likely, be involved elsewhere? Gary Maxwell ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:16:30 -0700 From: "Roger L. Karren" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Rose Parade SS Banner - Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unless things have changed since the 2 1/2 years since I got out of the Marine Corps, the Marine Band that performs for the Rose Parade is a composite band of all the Marine Corps Field Bands from the West coast of the U.S.A. Namely, Marine Band San Diego, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing Band - MCAS Miramar CA, CA, 1st Marine Division Band - Camp Pendleton, CA, and the Marine Air Ground Combat Center Band - 29 Palms, CA. I also speak from experience that the field Bands play the National Anthem, the OFFICIAL Department of Defense arrangement, strictly as it's written. In fact it's a federal offense to alter it in any way. Also, the DOD arrangements of the National Anthems from all the recognized countries of the world are the official arrangements recognized by our government. I'm not sure if it's the Navy Band or the Marine Band that is charged with their custodial care. What most don't realize is that the National Anthem is actually written to be played at a tempo that is rather fast with a tempo change slower near the end. I don't remember the exact tempo markings but 108/74 comes to mind. It is also written in strict 4 bar phrases. If you want to hear a really interesting arrangement, listen to the Marine Drum and Bugle Corps' rendition. If you are not happy with the rendition, you can always contact the Public Affairs, Headquarters US Marine Corps. It seems that most people are not happy with it when it's played correctly, according to the DOD. Roger -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of carymusic Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 3:21 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Rose Parade SS Banner - Interesting that this thread should arise after watching the opening of the Rose Bowl Parade this morning. The Marine Corp Band (I think) did one of the worst intrepretations of the SSB ever. Very rushed, phrasing was very odd, and it left me with the feeling that the conductor felt no connection to the feeling and emotion the song should carry. Especially strange performance for what is normally a great service band. Anyone else feel that? Cary Hobbs ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:25:59 -0700 From: "Roger L. Karren" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Rose Parade SS Banner Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I should add thought that I didn't see the Parade neither live nor on TV, so I don't know if they followed the DOD directives. But with my knowledge of the protocol in these Bands, chances are they did. -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of Roger L. Karren Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 10:17 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: RE: Rose Parade SS Banner - Unless things have changed since the 2 1/2 years since I got out of the Marine Corps, the Marine Band that performs for the Rose Parade is a composite band of all the Marine Corps Field Bands from the West coast of the U.S.A. Namely, Marine Band San Diego, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing Band - MCAS Miramar CA, CA, 1st Marine Division Band - Camp Pendleton, CA, and the Marine Air Ground Combat Center Band - 29 Palms, CA. I also speak from experience that the field Bands play the National Anthem, the OFFICIAL Department of Defense arrangement, strictly as it's written. In fact it's a federal offense to alter it in any way. Also, the DOD arrangements of the National Anthems from all the recognized countries of the world are the official arrangements recognized by our government. I'm not sure if it's the Navy Band or the Marine Band that is charged with their custodial care. What most don't realize is that the National Anthem is actually written to be played at a tempo that is rather fast with a tempo change slower near the end. I don't remember the exact tempo markings but 108/74 comes to mind. It is also written in strict 4 bar phrases. If you want to hear a really interesting arrangement, listen to the Marine Drum and Bugle Corps' rendition. If you are not happy with the rendition, you can always contact the Public Affairs, Headquarters US Marine Corps. It seems that most people are not happy with it when it's played correctly, according to the DOD. Roger -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of carymusic Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 3:21 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Rose Parade SS Banner - Interesting that this thread should arise after watching the opening of the Rose Bowl Parade this morning. The Marine Corp Band (I think) did one of the worst intrepretations of the SSB ever. Very rushed, phrasing was very odd, and it left me with the feeling that the conductor felt no connection to the feeling and emotion the song should carry. Especially strange performance for what is normally a great service band. Anyone else feel that? Cary Hobbs ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:36:42 -0600 From: "Jeffrey Albert" To: "'Trombones and related issues forum.'" Subject: RE: Music at the Super Bowl Message-ID: <000401c193b4$0b9b2d80$14219d42@user> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The last time the Super Bowl was here in New Orleans, the Louisiana Philharmonic did play. Pre-recorded of course. Everything that night was lip-synced, including the Pseudo Blues Bros. (Goodman, et al.) and James Brown. I understand the issues with the dome. I played in the Saints band for the last few seasons that they had a big band, and have played other things in the Dome (Essence Festival, etc.). Even the big budget stuff with great PA (I guess there is no small budget in the Superdome), was very difficult to deal with. Time is everywhere, literally. Even understanding the sound issues, I would rather watch a video of a live performance, than see lip-syncing. Of course, I am not the target audience of these performances. On a side note, last time all of my LPO buddies were quite upset that they weren't allowed to stay and watch the game. They just did the pregame, and got shipped out. Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of Douglas Yeo Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 9:32 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Music at the Super Bowl At 9:19 AM -0600 1/2/02, Dean McCarty wrote: >Yes... it will be taped beforehand... but I would >venture to bet that there will be monitors on the field and the orchestra >will play along. Just a guess. A correct guess; we've been told we will either have headphones or individual monitors. We will be playing but what the TV audience will hear (and most of the live audience) will be what we recorded earlier. The narrations by the US Presidents will be pre-recorded as well. Let's hope Clinton doesn't start talking when Ford's supposed to be speaking.... :-) -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:41:59 -0600 From: "Jeffrey Albert" To: Subject: Travel post 9/11 Message-ID: <000501c193b4$c7fb0e00$14219d42@user> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know the travel thread has come up off and on, and people have discussed the affect of 9/11 on flying with instruments. I just got back from a trip to Guadeloupe (French West Indies), and really noticed no difference in how I was allowed to carry my horn. The security was much more tedious, and hopefully more thorough, but I was allowed to carry my small horn in a Walt Johnson case on to the flights. The last leg was a puddle jumper and I had to gate check it, but that was because it would not fit in the bin. I have had to do that in the past on similar planes. I know I was a bit apprehensive about it, so I just thought I would share with you that at least for me on this trip, everything was still ok. Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2257--