TROMBONE-L Digest 2215 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Airline Regs & SKB Cases by william david proctor 2) Re: Grafe & Svanberg by Gabriel Langfur 3) Re: Grafe & Svanberg.... by Clingo 4) Re: Grafe & Svanberg.... by Chris Waage 5) RE: Carl Nielsen Symphony No. 1 by "=?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Bog=F8_=28SBconsult=29?=" 6) Re: Grafe & Svanberg.... by "Hector Bourg Jr." 7) RE: Carl Nielsen Symphony No. 1 by "=?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Bog=F8_=28SBconsult=29?=" 8) RE: Grafe & Svanberg.... the umlaut by richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL 9) Re: King 3B+ by Eric & Candice Swanson 10) Re: Airline Regs & SKB Cases by Douglas Yeo 11) Bach 45B for sale by Douglas Yeo 12) Speaking of cases... by "Maria Tekle-Wolde" 13) RE: Carl Nielsen Symphony No. 1 by "Edward Solomon" 14) RE: 100 trombones concert by "Les Benedict" 15) RE: 100 trombones concert by "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" 16) Re: Airline Regs & SKB Cases by "Daniel Pliskin" 17) Re: 100 trombones concert by "Paul Hill" 18) New from David Fetter by David Fetter 19) Re: Beginners! by "Paul Kemp Jr" 20) Re: Airline Regs & SKB Cases by Chris Waage 21) RE: Beginners! by "Wessner, John" 22) RE: Sonatina for Trombone and Piano by "The Snead Family" 23) RE: Sonatina for Trombone and Piano by "Aaron Roth" 24) Airline restrictions by "Sandy" 25) Re: Grafe & Svanberg by "Hal Starkey" 26) Re: Airline restrictions by Andrew Michael 27) Rochester Trombone Circus 2002 - Prliminary Info by silversonic@att.net 28) Re: Sonatina for Trombone and Piano by Douglas Yeo 29) Re: Airline restrictions by E P LUKAS 30) Re: Airline restrictions by Peter George Fielding 31) Re: Sonatina for Trombone and Piano by Steve88h@aol.com 32) =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_Gr=E4=28a=29fe_=26_Svanberg=2E=2E=2E=2E?= by "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" 33) Humorous Quote of the Day by Chris Waage 34) RE: Baseball fans (was Sonatina for Trombone and Piano) by william david proctor ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:13:32 -0700 From: william david proctor To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Airline Regs & SKB Cases Message-ID: <1232465096.1006254812@cfa.unm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Several people have mentioned at one time or another that sticking a styrofoam cone inside the trombone bell helps protect it from collisions when packed for travel on airplanes, buses, etc. When this is done, is the styrofoam flush with the edge of the bell, or does it stick out enough so that the bell does not actually touch the front edge of the case? David Proctor bass trombone University of New Mexico ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:23:38 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Grafe & Svanberg Message-ID: <20011120182338.63530.qmail@web10301.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- BassBonist@aol.com wrote: > "Imagination is more important than knowledge." > > - Albert Einstein > > This applies to the performance of music as well. > It certainly does, but neither can replace the other - they're both necessary elements. Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:24:42 -0600 From: Clingo To: Trombone-L Subject: Re: Grafe & Svanberg.... Message-ID: <3BFA9FEA.A58BD076@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Or, you can get your English keyboard to speak a little German. Make sure your Num Lock is on, hold down the Alt key, type 132 on your number keypad, then release the Alt key: Š You can see your English keyboard's entire Alt vocabulary at www.asciitable.com. Corey Howard Weiner wrote: > > BTW, I'm "Umlaut-challenged." Can you tell me how you work it? > > I cheat ;-) I have a German keyboard. > > Howard ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:47:44 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: Re: Grafe & Svanberg.... Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Or, as with most things computer-related, it's even easier on a Macintosh. Option+U, then type the letter. The umlaut is automatically placed: Ÿ ;-) Chris Or, you can get your English keyboard to speak a little German. Make sure your Num Lock is on, hold down the Alt key, type 132 on your number keypad, then release the Alt key: Š You can see your English keyboard's entire Alt vocabulary at www.asciitable.com. Corey Howard Weiner wrote: > BTW, I'm "Umlaut-challenged." Can you tell me how you work it? I cheat ;-) I have a German keyboard. Howard -- ________________________________________________ Chris Waage, Associate Webmaster chris@trombone.org http://www.trombone.org - A web site for trombonists ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:55:41 +0100 From: "S¿ren Bog¿ (SBconsult)" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Carl Nielsen Symphony No. 1 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C171FD.553B51A0" For the record: his name was Carl Nielsen thanks S¿ren Bog¿ sb@sbconsult.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of mpurdy@jwpepper.com Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 2:39 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Carl Nielsen Symphony No. 1 Matt: There is a set of 3 books that contain excerpts of all the Neilson Symphonies. I know excerpts are not as good as actual parts but the excerpts in these books are substantial and of the few Neilson works I've played there was nothing important that had not been covered in the set of books. The actual title and publisher of the set escapes me but if no one else has mentioned the information soon I will check my library and give the exact publisher information. Mike Dear Listerines:   If anyone out there has a bass trombone part to the Nielsen first symphony, please email me privately. Also, if anyone knows of a source for a pocket score or inexpensive study score to the same piece, I could use that as well. Thanks.     Matt Varho  MWP mpurdy@jwpepper.com jwpepper.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:16:09 -0600 From: "Hector Bourg Jr." To: "Bone List" Subject: Re: Grafe & Svanberg.... Message-ID: <030601c17200$3197c140$a2523842@hn9nz49oeloz7b> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > BTW, I'm "Umlaut-challenged." Can you tell me how you work it? > > I cheat ;-) I have a German keyboard. Try holding down the "ALT" key and type "0252" and you'll see " Ÿ " hb **************************************************************************** *** Hector "Butch" Bourg Jr. - Graphic and Web Design - Atlanta, GA Trombonist - Sentimental Journey Orchestra - http://www.thesjo.com ** NOW CELEBRATING TWENTY-FIVE SWINGIN' YEARS ** **************************************************************************** *** PLEASE UPDATE your e-dress for me to: sackbutt@mediaone.net **************************************************************************** *** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:21:10 +0100 From: "S¿ren Bog¿ (SBconsult)" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Carl Nielsen Symphony No. 1 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C17200.E46E87E0" Matt, This is what comes out of Wilhelm Hansen«s database. I«m not sure what the word "spillepartitur" means ( I probably ought to though....) I will call them tomorrow morning and let you know. Prices are in Danisk Crowns (DKK). 1 USD eq. 8.45 DKK this morning. Thanks for spelling Nielsen«s name correctly. HereÊis contact info: EDITION WILHELM HANSEN AS Bornholmsgade 1 1266 K¿benhavn K Danmark tlf: 33 11 78 88 country code Denmark +45 fax: 33 14 81 78 e-post: ewh@ewh.dk their website is: http://www.ewh.dk regards S¿ren Bog¿ sb@sbconsult.net NIELSEN, CARL SYMFONI NR. 1 OP. 7, Partitur Orkestermusik uden soloinstrumenter WH 11486 712,00 NIELSEN, CARL SYMFONI NR. 1 OP. 7 G-MOLL, Spillepartitur Orkestermusik uden soloinstrumenter WH 11486B 171,00 -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of BassBonist@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 5:36 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Carl Nielsen Symphony No. 1 Dear Listerines: If anyone out there has a bass trombone part to the Nielsen first symphony, please email me privately. Also, if anyone knows of a source for a pocket score or inexpensive study score to the same piece, I could use that as well. Thanks. Matt Varho ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:17:15 -0500 From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL To: weiner@privat.toplink.de, hstarkey@kscable.com Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Grafe & Svanberg.... the umlaut Message-ID: <81F62454EA21B94EA95517180D7303730243F6C6@lee-is-102.lee.army.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C171F7.F69A4250" Not necessary to cheat to type GrŠfe, at least with Windows and Outlook.Ê See below: To Type ¢, £, ´, ¨, and other characters not on the keyboard Click Start, point to Programs, point to Accessories, and then click Character Map. In Microsoft Windows 98, Click Start, Point to Programs, point to Accessories, point to System Tools, and then click Character Map. If Character Map is not available, see Windows Help for information about how to install a Windows component. In the Font box, select the font that contains the character you want. In the character grid, click the character you want. Click Select, and then click Copy. Switch to your item, and then place the insertion point in the text box where you want to paste the character. Click Paste -----Original Message----- From: Howard Weiner [mailto:weiner@privat.toplink.de] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 1:13 PM To: Hal Starkey Cc: Trombone List Subject: Re: Grafe & Svanberg.... At 20:58 19.11.2001 -0600, Hal Starkey wrote: > BTW, I'm "Umlaut-challenged." Can you tell me how you work it? I cheat ;-) I have a German keyboard. Howard ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:39:14 -0500 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: King 3B+ Message-ID: <3BFAB162.A4B82D3A@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SlideH@aol.com wrote: > > 2. Can anyone give me information on the King 3B+ horn? When were they in > production? Were they ever produced with the "Silversonic" Sterling Bell > option? Where can I find one??? > John, I did some digging, and found King price lists from 1980, 1981, and 1985. They all list the 2125 and the 2125F, which I believe is what I understood was the 3B+. It was .525 bore in the slide, and had an 8" gold brass bell. The 2125F had an F attachment. There wasn't a sterling bell. I always understood that the bell section was the same as a 3B, except for the gold brass. The slide section was bigger, of course (.525" instead of .508"), and I assume the slide receiver was larger because of the bigger bore but I've never seen one to check it out. I don't think they made very many, and quit making them in the late 80s or so. You would have trouble finding one, but watch the online auctions. The Benge 175 might be pretty much the same thing. I think the 3B+ was discontinued when the Benge 175 came out because they were basically the same thing. You might broaden your search to include it. Good luck finding one. Eric Swanson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:47:16 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Airline Regs & SKB Cases Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:13 AM -0700 11/20/2001, william david proctor wrote: >Several people have mentioned at one time or another that sticking a >styrofoam cone inside the trombone bell helps protect it from collisions >when packed for travel on airplanes, buses, etc. When this is done, is the >styrofoam flush with the edge of the bell, or does it stick out enough so >that the bell does not actually touch the front edge of the case? Yes, have it stick out a bit so when the case is thrown in handling (as it inevitably will be), the bell will not be thrown forward in the case and get a crinkle in it. It has proven to be very good when I've travelled - I even had the horror of watching my trombone fall out of a plane bell first when it was being loaded - 30 feet to the ground (while my colleagues all snapped pictures of it lying on the tarmac and passing on phone numbers of their lawyers....) - only to open it at the destination and find it in perfect condition. A styrofoam cone will be the most cost effective investment of $1.10 you will ever make. -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:47:30 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Bach 45B for sale Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The Bach 45B is certainly one of the more interesting horns around, there having been only a small number of them made by Vincent Bach. I owned one for a few years before selling it to buy another instrument, but I often get queries from people wanting to know if I know of one for sale. Today, I happened to be in Rayburn Music (http://www.rayburnmusic.com) and saw an instrument they had just gotten in to sell - it is a Bach 45B, serial number 1574, completed on October 17, 1939. Rayburn had just gotten the shop card from the Bach Company which indicated that this particular instrument was made "Special for the Boston Symphony." I have no idea who played it in the BSO (the section then was Raichman, Hansotte and Lillebach on bass), but the card is signed by George Mager who was principal trumpet of the BSO at the time (and the teacher of Adolph Herseth when Herseth studied at New England Conservatory of Music). A nice bit of history there. Without making measurements, the horn appears to have a .547 slide (not dual bore) and a 9.5 inch bell, a 50B single valve section (typical of 45Bs with a valve). It had just come in so had not been cleaned and prepped, but I tried it and thought it to have an excellent response - and the valve section was quite good sounding. Once cleaned up it should work very well. If you're interested and want more details, price info, etc, you can email: Lee Walkowich lee@rayburnmusic.com or Joe Stewart brass@rayburnmusic.com Rayburn Music is in Boston, on the same block as Symphony Hall. -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:51:19 -0600 From: "Maria Tekle-Wolde" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Speaking of cases... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0001_01C171E3.93BC7180" I just found a Altieri Double Bag in the attic.. I remember having my large bore and small bore horn in it at the same time.. Taking offers.. I can/will grab it out of the attic and take pictures if you want to see it.. Just make me an offer.. Maria ----- Original Message ----- From: Douglas Yeo Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 4:49 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Airline Regs & SKB Cases At 11:13 AM -0700 11/20/2001, william david proctor wrote: >Several people have mentioned at one time or another that sticking a >styrofoam cone inside the trombone bell helps protect it from collisions >when packed for travel on airplanes, buses, etc. When this is done, is the >styrofoam flush with the edge of the bell, or does it stick out enough so >that the bell does not actually touch the front edge of the case? Yes, have it stick out a bit so when the case is thrown in handling (as it inevitably will be), the bell will not be thrown forward in the case and get a crinkle in it. It has proven to be very good when I've travelled - I even had the horror of watching my trombone fall out of a plane bell first when it was being loaded - 30 feet to the ground (while my colleagues all snapped pictures of it lying on the tarmac and passing on phone numbers of their lawyers....) - only to open it at the destination and find it in perfect condition. A styrofoam cone will be the most cost effective investment of $1.10 you will ever make. -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:05:53 -0000 From: "Edward Solomon" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Carl Nielsen Symphony No. 1 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The books in question are by Edition Wilhelm Hansen, Copenhagen. Edited by Per Gade. -----Original Message----- There is a set of 3 books that contain excerpts of all the Neilson Symphonies. I know excerpts are not as good as actual parts but the excerpts in these books are substantial and of the few Neilson works I've played there was nothing important that had not been covered in the set of books. The actual title and publisher of the set escapes me but if no one else has mentioned the information soon I will check my library and give the exact publisher information. __________________________________________ Edward Solomon British Trombone Society Webmaster mailto:webmaster@trombone-society.org.uk Visit "The Trombonist Online" - the online magazine of the British Trombone Society http://www.trombone-society.org.uk __________________________________________ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:35:51 -0800 From: "Les Benedict" To: "Joseph Green" , Subject: RE: 100 trombones concert Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ?Trombonist Mike Barone (Doc Severinson Tonight Show Band arranger) tells of Harry Betts phoning him and excitedly telling him about the 100 trombones concert in Japan. He said to Mike, "We should do it in L.A.!" Mike replied, "Harry, where are we going to get 100 trombones together in L.A.?" Harry paused, then said, "Well, we could do it with 80!" Mike Barone Big Band concert at The Jazz Bakery, Culver City, CA on Dec. 10, 8 PM and 9:30 PM. Email me privately for details if interested. Les Benedict lbenedict@socal.rr.com -----Original Message----- Subject: 100 trombones concert A few years ago there was a "100 trombones" concert in Tokyo. >snip< Last night I heard the second "100 trombones concert". 100 of Japan's best, with guests Michel Becquet (who performed "Musique A Curitiba" by Defaye), Lloyd Ulyate, Harry Betts, and Jack Hayes. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:47:43 -0600 From: "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" To: "'needhame@yucca.net'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: 100 trombones concert Message-ID: <587F49FABBEDD411A68F00A0C9EA313B5FCEDB@dasmthkhn561.amedd.army.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1721D.BF7553C0" Earl: If you're serious, give TAP music a call or email. They got the Vienna Trombone Quartet CDs for me last year and they were produced in Japan. The owner will tell you that the Japanese are slow to send though! Rick Marple Still in San Antonio -----Original Message----- From: Earl Needham [mailto:needhame@yucca.net] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 6:08 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: 100 trombones concert At 08:20 AM 11/20/2001 +0900, Joseph Green wrote: >A few years ago there was a "100 trombones" concert in Tokyo. The CD of >that concert has been mentioned here on the list. Last night I heard the >second "100 trombones concert". 100 of Japan's best, with guests Michel >Becquet (who performed "Musique A Curitiba" by Defaye), Lloyd Ulyate, >Harry Betts, and Jack Hayes. The CD should be available by next March. > >JG > >+++++++++++++++ Will it be available here in the 'States, or do I need to find another military person on an overseas tour? Thanks, Earl ********************************************************* Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:needhame@yucca.net Clovis, New Mexico KD5XB-2>APU24L,WA5IHL-11,K5BEN-15,WA5IHL-7,W5SF-1,K5CQH-15,WB5EKP-1*,TRACE7- 1:=3425.84N/10313.56W-[DM84] Pet peeve #1: You look at a "SITE" with your "SIGHT". Pet peeve #2: "Congratulations" does NOT have a "d" in it. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 00:15:19 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Airline Regs & SKB Cases Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Several people have mentioned at one time or another that sticking a styrofoam cone inside the trombone bell helps protect it from collisions when packed for travel on airplanes, buses, etc. When this is done, is the styrofoam flush with the edge of the bell, or does it stick out enough so that the bell does not actually touch the front edge of the case? David, The Styrofoam holds the bell away from the case. It also transfers the force into a more tubular section of the bell, which is more able to hold its own, then the rim of the bell. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:27:48 -0800 From: "Paul Hill" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: 100 trombones concert Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1720A.33D4AD60" ...or, write to Ralph Bigelow (BonesWest). Best Regards, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Green Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 5:28 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: 100 trombones concert Good question. I really don't know, but you might try contacting the organizers: Pro Arte Musicae, Fax: +81-3-3943-6659 Maybe Hickey's, TAP Music, or one of the other suppliers would be interested. JG +++++++++++++++++ Earl Needham wrote: > > At 08:20 AM 11/20/2001 +0900, Joseph Green wrote: > >A few years ago there was a "100 trombones" concert in Tokyo. The CD of > >that concert has been mentioned here on the list. Last night I heard the > >second "100 trombones concert". 100 of Japan's best, with guests Michel > >Becquet (who performed "Musique A Curitiba" by Defaye), Lloyd Ulyate, > >Harry Betts, and Jack Hayes. The CD should be available by next March. > > > >JG > > > >+++++++++++++++ > > Will it be available here in the 'States, or do I need to find > another military person on an overseas tour? > > Thanks, > Earl > > ********************************************************* > Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:needhame@yucca.net > Clovis, New Mexico > KD5XB-2>APU24L,WA5IHL-11,K5BEN-15,WA5IHL-7,W5SF-1,K5CQH-15,WB5EKP-1*,TRACE7- > 1:=3425.84N/10313.56W-[DM84] > Pet peeve #1: You look at a "SITE" with your "SIGHT". > Pet peeve #2: "Congratulations" does NOT have a "d" in it. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:36:39 -0500 (EST) From: David Fetter To: Trombone Forum Subject: New from David Fetter Message-ID: <1006310199.3bfb133727115@webmail.toad.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit New from David Fetter - Music for Brass (Mostly) David Fetter: "Six Etudes and Two Mad Scenes" in separate versions for tenor and bass trombone I Cavatina - a little aria II Reggae - ya ya ya III I'm Not Angry - but I am conflicted IV Casual - cool jazz influence, convertible to 1940's swing style V Flowing - more lyricism VI Latin - think samba Mad Scenes No. 1 & No. 2 - two tests of endurance and emotion Available from Hickey's Music Center www.hickeys.com or call 800 442-5397 ------------------ David Fetter Peabody Conservatory and Preparatory Trombone Faculties Associate Dean for Performance Activities and Placement 1 East Mt. Vernon Place Baltimore, MD 21202 David Fetter - Music for Brass (Mostly) Home page: gigue.peabody.jhu.edu/~davidf/ u.edu/~davidf/ _________________________________________________________________________ This mail sent via toadmail.com, web e-mail @ ToadNet - want to go fast? http://www.toadmail.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:43:53 -0500 From: "Paul Kemp Jr" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Beginners! Message-ID: <008501c17236$5cdbe580$685b4d0c@pauljr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Randy, I'm not sure that the Arban's book is the answer right off the bat. It can be started after he has been studying privately for about a year, or if he can play an F above middle Bb. The thing that I stress the most in lessons with rank beginners is sound, because if they can get that happening, everything else falls right into place. My most successful student, who has studied with me now for 6 years, started out in his band book, and I also had him play long tones until they came out of his ears. He did this for a whole summer between 6th and 7th grade, and the improvement that he showed was quite remarkable. We also had a couple of lessons using the spirometer, and once he saw what he had to do in order to buzz and blow the ball to the top of the spire, (with the spirometer turned upside down), and he HEARD the difference in his sound, he was literally off to the races. BTW, the old Belwin Band Method still works VERY well if it is used the right way. I would stress proper embouchure formation also, using the pictures in the Farkas Art of Brass Playing as a guide, and the key is to notice the SIMILARITIES in all of those embouchures, not the differences. Also, I would really stress the importance of a good TENUTO STYLE in EVERYTHING he plays, because if he can master this style early on, the other styles are much easier to grasp. Learning to play an instrument well is much like learning to play any sport well--you must have a thorough knowledge of good fundamentals, such as air, embouchure, posture, and putting the slide in the right place, as well as the basic fundamentals of music--notes, note values, time, and rhythm. I fully realize that many of those fundamentals are not a whole lot of fun at first, but the sooner they are mastered, the better off your grandson will be. He needs to realize that it will require some hard work on his part, but in the long run he will be much further ahead of the kids who do not think that fundamentals are important. He needs to go for the long term result, not short term gratification. Stress the fact (lovingly) that there are NO SHORT CUTS. Paul Kemp Chattanooga Symphony www.trbnplyr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Fendrick" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 1:05 AM Subject: Beginners! > Our grandson, at age 10/11 has decided to take up the trombone. The bad > news is that his school music teacher has decided to have foot surgery and > will be off for some 3-5 months. Apparently she did the same thing last > year. Luckily she only has two feet, anyway my problem is as follows: > While I have taught high school music, namely music appreciation and > directed a high school orchestra I am not versed in the pedagogical > development of beginners. Through the years I have occasionally taught > trombone and have had some very good trombone students who came to me > already playing. I was able to take these folks to the next level, but > starting a student from scratch is another matter entirely. > A week or so ago, we were playing in San Diego when a man in his thirties > approached our trumpet player and asked about learning to play. Our trumpet > player said that he should get an Arbans book, start at the beginning and > when he finishes to start again. That is how my friend learned and feels > that you can learn this way. I kind of feel that there are many good > teachers out there who can get students started right so that the > enthusiasm, that most beginners have can be channeled through those > beginning years into positive gains. > I also feel that the proper method book or approach might go a long way into > helping young people learn properly. Some years ago, I learned to play the > recorder so that I could teach recorder in an alternative high school. I > got the basic book and found that while it helped me get my fingerings > together it was really lacking in learning about really playing it as a true > musical instrument not just toy instrument. I searched around and came > across a method book, the name of which I don't recall, that got my students > playing in the style of the instrument. Within a very short time my > alternative school "rejects" were playing music and we had groups that were > gigging, etc. > What I am trying to do here is to pick the brains of a few of our really > successful teachers and get some ideas on how to help my grandson get > started correctly. Many might say, find a good teacher. I would argue that > that is a solution but when the well in our city is fairly dry, in that the > really good players and teachers are booked solid or have really no > inclination to move in that direction, you must find an alternatitive. If > anyone has any ideas let me know. > Cheers: > > -Randy Fendrick- > Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra > Southside Chicago Seven > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:19:29 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: Re: Airline Regs & SKB Cases Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Another trick I have used is to check the bell in the case, well-padded with bubble wrap and a cone in the bell and take the slide as a carry-on in a John Upchurch box. Worked wonderfully, especially with my bass' rather finicky slide. I tend to worry more about the slide than the bell, but that's just me. My bass is rather ugly, having been delacquered by both Mother Nature and me. Chris At 11:13 AM -0700 11/20/2001, william david proctor wrote: Several people have mentioned at one time or another that sticking a styrofoam cone inside the trombone bell helps protect it from collisions when packed for travel on airplanes, buses, etc. When this is done, is the styrofoam flush with the edge of the bell, or does it stick out enough so that the bell does not actually touch the front edge of the case? Yes, have it stick out a bit so when the case is thrown in handling (as it inevitably will be), the bell will not be thrown forward in the case and get a crinkle in it. It has proven to be very good when I've travelled - I even had the horror of watching my trombone fall out of a plane bell first when it was being loaded - 30 feet to the ground (while my colleagues all snapped pictures of it lying on the tarmac and passing on phone numbers of their lawyers....) - only to open it at the destination and find it in perfect condition. A styrofoam cone will be the most cost effective investment of $1.10 you will ever make. -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** -- ________________________________________________ Chris Waage, Associate Webmaster chris@trombone.org http://www.trombone.org - A web site for trombonists ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:26:07 -0500 From: "Wessner, John" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Beginners! Message-ID: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Two feet isn't a sure thing. The surgeon botched one of my daughter's feet (bunions) and she had to have a third operation. He sent me a bill for the $200 or so the insurance didn't cover on the third operation. He withdrew the bill when I pointed out she only had two feet. jw -----Original Message----- From: Randy Fendrick [mailto:jfendrick@bak.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 1:05 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Beginners! Our grandson, at age 10/11 has decided to take up the trombone. The bad news is that his school music teacher has decided to have foot surgery and will be off for some 3-5 months. Apparently she did the same thing last year. Luckily she only has two feet, anyway my problem is as follows: Cheers: -Randy Fendrick- Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra Southside Chicago Seven ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:38:31 -0800 From: "The Snead Family" To: Subject: RE: Sonatina for Trombone and Piano Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to all who replied. I should have a good recording shortly and am looking forward to working the up second movement and perhaps the entire sonatina. Since no one commented on the little aside in the original posting, I'm assuming that there aren't too many baseball fans on this list. Bob ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 00:54:19 -0500 From: "Aaron Roth" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Sonatina for Trombone and Piano Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I was going to be in the baseball marching band in high school, but they...didn't have one...so now I'm a football fan. -Aaron Roth Thanks to all who replied. I should have a good recording shortly and am looking forward to working the up second movement and perhaps the entire sonatina. Since no one commented on the little aside in the original posting, I'm assuming that there aren't too many baseball fans on this list. Bob _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 00:28:53 -0600 From: "Sandy" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Airline restrictions Message-ID: <00c401c17255$cb1d5b90$5d0e0a3f@lewis8uqa3gymu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am posting this for Beth Lewis, who asked me tonight if the airline would let her bring her mouthpiece in her carry-on luggage. Does anyone have an experience to share? Sandy Lewis ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 00:58:27 -0600 From: "Hal Starkey" To: <8guion@jmls.edu> Cc: "Trombone List" Subject: Re: Grafe & Svanberg Message-ID: <002b01c17259$ebf14d00$b1e81d41@KSCABLE.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Guion Wrote- > I, too, have wondered why some people assumed that Svanberg was joking when > he was talking about the Grafe concerto with Hal, but for whatever reason, > the account he gave was clearly wrong. Howard Weiner has already said pretty > much what needs to be said on the matter. > > I just want to point out that just because someone is an excellent > trombonist and finds the repertoire fascinating does not mean that he or she > knows how to find or evaluate "information" about it. I put "information" in > quotation marks simply because the current definition of the word (at least > according to one of my library school professors) is so broad as to exclude > any consideration of accuracy and reliability. It is apparently not > "technologically correct" to acknowledge misinformation or disinformation. > > Let me try that again: if Svanberg came across some "information" somewhere > that Grafe lived from the late nineteenth century until about 1950, wrote > the concerto in the 1930s, and may have been a woman, his being an excellent > trombonist does not give him the tools to recoginze that the dates, at > least, are impossible. If he knows someone who has actually done any > research, that person ought to publish it--complete with citations to the > proper sources and documents. David- "I've had people in Vienna doing research on this...." This is what Carsten Svanberg told me and this is what I wrote to the List in my original account of this conversation. I cannot, nor will I try to, speak for Mr, Svanberg. I am rather willing to defend his wisdom and integrity though. He made no mention as to who the people in Vienna were. I do not suppose that he asked the ladies at the children's reading room at the branch library to look into it. It would be more likely that he contacted someone with the essential background to research this quandary. Were they musically cognizant? Maybe. Were they historians? Possibly. Did they know anything about what they were doing? I would expect so. I am not familiar with the scholarly institutions in Vienna where this kind of investigation can be accomplished. You quite likely are, David. Perhaps Mr. Svanberg is also. As to why the research was not published, I can't say. Perhaps it's too arbitrary. It could be that it was determined to be inconsequential or trivial. We're not examining a big-time composer here. At any rate, the research was not personally done by Carsten Svanberg. Was he duped? I don't know. Apparently he was willing to believe some of the fractional findings as being probable. Maybe some of it was merely interesting to him. How else would he, or anyone, accept it, assuming the researchers were of reliable reputation? Hal ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:26:11 -0800 From: Andrew Michael To: slewis76@earthlink.net, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Airline restrictions Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I am posting this for Beth Lewis, who asked me tonight if the airline would >let her bring her mouthpiece in her carry-on luggage. Does anyone have an >experience to share? >Sandy Lewis I have carried a mouthpieces on 6 flights in the past two weeks with no problems. Once, the security guard asked me to remove it because it was blocking something else on the x-rays but he was fine with me having it and even knew what it was. Cheers, Andy ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 11:58:31 +0000 From: silversonic@att.net To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu (Trombone List) Subject: Rochester Trombone Circus 2002 - Prliminary Info Message-ID: <20011121115832.HIX5495.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Hello all: The date and artists are set, and I'm pleased to announce the next Rochester Trombone Circus. There are still a good number of details to work out, and the actual schedule of clinics and clinicians is quite tentative, but I'm so excited that I wanted to let you all have as much notice as possible. In the next two weeks, I'll be establishing a dedicated web site to act as a clearing house for Trombone Circus information, and hopefully, allow you to pre-register online. All that being said, here are the basic details as they exist right now: Rochester Trombone Circus 2002 "Something for Everyone" Saturday March 23, 2002 The Harley School 1981 Clover Street Rochester, New York 14618 Doors Open at 11:00 AM Evening Concert at 8:00 PM GUEST ARTISTS Ralph Sauer, Principal Trombone, L. A. Philharmonic Steve Turre - Saturday Night Live Band Fred Wesley - Jazz and R & B Legend Master Classes Clinics for ALL ability levels Mass Performance of a Newly Commissioned Piece Performance Coaching Sessions Evening Concert Featuring Steve Turre and Fred Wesley with the Bob Stata Quartet and friends "A Tribute to J.J. Johnson" For additional information, contact Tom Sousa at: bonewerx@att.net Additionally, the very next day, the Eastman School of Music will be hosting the annual "Fruhling Posaunen", which is a gathering of the choirs of Eastman, Penn State and Ithaca College, as well as one or two guest choirs from other colleges. While married in principal, and scheduled for the same weekend, these events are totally seperate, and any additional information about "Fruhling Posaunen" must be gotten directly from the Eastman School of Music. Here's hoping that you'll consider coming to Rochester for an all-out Trombone Weekend! Peace, Tom Sousa Co-chair, Rochester Trombone Circus Committee -- Artist Representative Greenhoe Musical Instrument Components ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 07:41:11 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Sonatina for Trombone and Piano Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 10:20 AM -0500 11/20/01, Chuck De Paolo wrote: The Serocki has been recorded in full at least three times by some serious talent. In alpha order: 1. Christian Lindberg - Burlesque Trombone - CD#24673 2. Ralph Sauer - Sauer Plays... - CD#31718 3. Alain Trudel - Recital - OUT OF PRINT There is at least one other recording: Henry Charles Smith - HCS Plays Trombone, Coronet LP 1410 I believe this was the first recording of the piece (the first movement appeared in Smith's first book, "Solos for the Trombone Player" pub. by G. Schirmer). Quite beautiful playing, in fact, in my mind, this is one of the best trombone recordings I've ever heard including those done in our more modern times (Smith's album was made in the 1960's). A pity is has been long out of print. -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 06:46:43 -0800 From: E P LUKAS To: slewis76@earthlink.net Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Airline restrictions Message-ID: <3BFBBE53.F0520364@bigfoot.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sandy wrote: > I am posting this for Beth Lewis, who asked me tonight if the airline would > let her bring her mouthpiece in her carry-on luggage. Does anyone have an > experience to share? > Sandy Lewis Well, they wouldn't let Grandma board the plane with her knitting when she mentioned that she was going to knit an Afghan. ------------------------------------------------- Last night I played a blank tape at full blast. The mime next door went nuts. ERNIE PAUL LUKAS TROMBONIST, PUBLICIST BARTLETT COMMUNITY CONCERT BAND MEMPHIS, TENNESSEE USA ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:05:35 -0500 (EST) From: Peter George Fielding To: E P LUKAS Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Airline restrictions Message-ID: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi Everybody- I was just reading a querry about bringing a mouthpiece on the planes. I flew through Miami & Toronto Pearson Airports with my mouthpieces in October and there were no problems, but they did take possession of my plastic comb!!! all the best & safe travels for all- Peter Fielding Canadian in Exile (I had my Turkey last month) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:11:42 EST From: Steve88h@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Cc: yeo@yeodoug.com Subject: Re: Sonatina for Trombone and Piano Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/21/01 6:35:32 AM, yeo@yeodoug.com writes: << At 10:20 AM -0500 11/20/01, Chuck De Paolo wrote: >>The Serocki has been recorded in full at least three times by some >>serious talent. In alpha order: >> >>1. Christian Lindberg - Burlesque Trombone - CD#24673 >>2. Ralph Sauer - Sauer Plays... - CD#31718 >>3. Alain Trudel - Recital - OUT OF PRINT >There is at least one other recording: >Henry Charles Smith - HCS Plays Trombone, Coronet LP 1410 >I believe this was the first recording of the piece (the first >movement appeared in Smith's first book, "Solos for the Trombone >Player" pub. by G. Schirmer). Quite beautiful playing, in fact, in >my mind, this is one of the best trombone recordings I've ever heard >including those done in our more modern times (Smith's album was made >in the 1960's). A pity is has been long out of print. I'll second what Doug says about this recording. HCS's tone is among the most beautifully recorded in the history of the trombone. Although the LP is out of print a cassette is still available - Coronet #1410. It is available from TAP at . Steve Lund ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:16:40 -0600 From: "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" To: "'weiner@privat.toplink.de'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: GrŠ(a)fe & Svanberg.... Message-ID: <587F49FABBEDD411A68F00A0C9EA313B5FCEE1@dasmthkhn561.amedd.army.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C17297.23BA3AC0" For those without German Keyboards interested in becoming Umlaut-Pros do the following: Assuming Windows OS (no throwing rocks please), click on the Start Button, select Programs >> Accessories >> Character Map. Then in the Font box in the UR Corner, select Times New Roman. You will see a number of optionally marked vowels etc. Š can also be typed from the keyboard by holding down the 'Alt" key and typing 0228, then release the 'Alt' key and where ever your cursor was you should now see an Š. Note, you must use the keypad with 'Numlock' ON to type the numericals. For history buffs, these were the IBM High series characters and Character Map allows you to get to them. Trombone Content: I often make a Umlaut-like sound when trying to hit a ff pedal note. Rick Marple San Antonio TX BTW Howard, Herbert Ferstl was a big hit at Oktoberfest here in Texas!! Thanks > BTW, I'm "Umlaut-challenged." Can you tell me how you work it? I cheat ;-) I have a German keyboard. Howard -- Howard Weiner weiner@privat.toplink.de http://www.odilia.ch/howard-weiner ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:26:03 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: Humorous Quote of the Day Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" "Never mistake lack of talent for genuis." -- Anonymous ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:43:35 -0700 From: william david proctor To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Baseball fans (was Sonatina for Trombone and Piano) Message-ID: <1313468336.1006335815@cfa.unm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline There are lots of baseball fans, they just all happen to like either the Montreal Expos or the Minnesota Twins! Trombone related content: a least most orchestras are not so desperate that they're willing to practice "contraction" on the orchestra and remove the trombones. David Proctor bass trombone (and long-time baseball fan) University of New Mexico --On Tuesday, November 20, 2001 9:38 PM -0800 The Snead Family wrote: Since no one commented on the little aside in the original posting, I'm assuming that there aren't too many baseball fans on this list. Bob ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2215--