ÊÊÊÊTROMBONE-L Digest 2191 Topics covered in this issue include: ÊÊ1) Levine @ Boston by Douglas Yeo ÊÊ2) Phil Wilson by "Dale J. Cruse" ÊÊ3) Re: Paich/Warren Barker arr. for 9-10 trb (trombone, inc.)? by sgreatwood@goconnect.net (Simon Greatwood) ÊÊ4) RE: Text, Please! ... Rude to Notify? by "Harry Wootan" ÊÊ5) Re: Paich/Warren Barker arr. for 9-10 trb (trombone, inc.)? by FOpal@aol.com ÊÊ6) RE: Text, Please! ... Rude to Notify? by Trombone-L Listmonitor ÊÊ7) Mike Suter's Email Address by "Paul Hill" ÊÊ8) Re: Levine @ Boston by "Gary D. Maxwell" ÊÊ9) For Sale: Bach LT36KDR Trombone by Robynlea56@aol.com 10) Re: Text, Please! ... Rude to Notify? by "keith.marr" 11) Re: S-O-M & slide springs... by "keith.marr" 12) Re: S-O-M & slide springs... by James Scott 13) Re: Portable Stands by Elizabeth & Larry White 14) Re: S-O-M & slide springs... by "keith.marr" 15) Re: S-O-M & slide springs... by Earl Needham 16) Re: S-O-M & slide springs... by BassBonist@aol.com 17) Re: S-O-M & slide springs... by Roger Hecht 18) Re: S-O-M & slide springs... by "Daniel Pliskin" 19) Re: Slide Springs by Daniel Cloutier Attachment: TROMBONE-L__digest_2191 Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 08:36:21 -0400 From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Levine @ Boston Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" The Boston Symphony has been in a search for a music director for two years since Seiji Ozawa announced he would be leaving the BSO for the Vienna State Opera at the end of the 2001-02 season. The search has been carried out with remarkable secrecy and at a very high level of prefessionalism involving player selected members of the search committee which has helped to avoid embarrassment of conducting the search in public and having things unravel such as happened when the NY Philharmonic was leaking that Riccardo Muti would be music director only to have that fall apart. In July, Managing Director Mark Volpe met with the BSO players in a private, confidential meeting to bring us up to date on the process. I could not have asked for a more up front, forthright discussion of the situation - that meeting was just another indication of why I believe the Boston Symphony has one of the best managements in the business and therefore some of the best labor/management relations as well. At that meeting we were asked to keep the proceedings confidential until an official announcement was made regarding the new music director.ÊÊReports in today's NY Times and Boston Globe that James Levine will succeed Ozawa will be confirmed after tomorrow's meeting by the Boston Symphony's Board of Trustees.ÊÊAfter that, I and others in the orchestra will be free to talk more freely about the situation. But I can tell you now, a lot of people in Boston, including me, are smiling. -Doug Yeo See also (URL on one line, no spaces): http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/300/metro/BSO_seen_voting_on_Levine_ as_directorP.shtml ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ********************************************** ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ*ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊDouglas YeoÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ* ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ* Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ* Music Director, The New England Brass Band * ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ*ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊyeo@yeodoug.comÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ* ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ*ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊhttp://www.yeodoug.comÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ* ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ*ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ<><ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ* ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ********************************************** ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 09:19:02 -0400 From: "Dale J. Cruse" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Phil Wilson Message-ID: <002601c15ee9$f2b76260$50410841@union1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those interested, world-famous trombonist and Berklee educator Phil Wilson will be spotlighted on National Public Radio's syndicated "Marian McPartland's Piano Jazz" radio show the week of Nov. 20. For more on the show, and to see if your local NPR station carries it, visit: http://www.scern.org/pj/ Enjoy! Dale J. Cruse dale@dalecruse.com http://www.dalecruse.com Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 00:43:10 +1000 From: sgreatwood@goconnect.net (Simon Greatwood) To: Subject: Re: Paich/Warren Barker arr. for 9-10 trb (trombone, inc.)? Message-ID: <3bdac7b7.2128767@mail.tpg.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 21:16:54 -0400, you wrote: >Anyone know if the arrangements of Marty Paich or Warren Barker, played on >the "Trombones, Inc." Warner Bros. lp of 1958 are available? > >Fabulous (a word I never use) record, never reissued on CD, and great >arrangements.ÊÊIt would take the rest of my lifetime to try to transcribe >these things, I have trouble enough w/ four voices.ÊÊCan anybody help here? > >OR can anybody suggest some equally fine arr. for 8 + trbs? > >JimÊÊ > > Not completely sure, but i know Phil Wilson in Boston (I think) has lots of these. you could try contacting him if you have no other luck. Simon Greatwood Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 09:44:50 -0500 From: "Harry Wootan" To: Cc: "Harry Wootan" Subject: RE: Text, Please! ... Rude to Notify? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think most folks who are sending HTML to this list don't even realize they're sending HTML. An HTML message *can* appear to be text only. But if you see a message with fonts that aren't what you usually see, then those messages are likely being sent as HTML. Would it be considered rude to send folks a *private* note just to let them know they're sending HTML to the list? Note that HTML doesn't have to include anything more than what's seen as text. But the text becomes a burden on those of us (1) whose server can't handle the HTML or (2) whose machines take forever to open an HTML message. It's easy for me to spot an HTML message ... because my PC can take 10 or 15 seconds (or even longer) just to open the message. A true text message pops open right away. ÊÊ-- Harry ÊÊÊÊÊhpw@mindspring.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Long [mailto:dlong@aspen.cs.intel.com] > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:10 PM > To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu > Subject: Text, Please! > > > > Just a note to remind everyone that some of us > are not using mail services that handle fancy > stuff like HTML.ÊÊI noticed several posts lately > that weren't text - kinda takes the fun out! > > Don Long > Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 10:55:50 EDT From: FOpal@aol.com To: Subject: Re: Paich/Warren Barker arr. for 9-10 trb (trombone, inc.)? Message-ID: <7e.1cf37690.290c24f6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit remove Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 10:07:47 -0500 From: Trombone-L Listmonitor To: Trombone-L Subject: RE: Text, Please! ... Rude to Notify? Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" We're actually fighting a three-fold problem with this issue: 1.ÊÊAmerica Online and some of the web-based e-mail services no longer allow a plain-text option. 2.ÊÊMicrosoft Outlook Express defaults to HTML, but you can set each individual recipient's option separately (more on this later). 3.ÊÊSome other e-mail clients (Eudora and PINE) do a less than stellar job of displaying HTML-encoded e-mails. Unfortunately, there's no easy answer to this dilemma.ÊÊIf you are using Microsoft Outlook Express, you can set up an address book entry for the trombone-l with a preference of "Send plain text e-mail only".ÊÊAmerica Online, however, offers no possible way to change from HTML-encoded e-mails. At this point, all that can be done is to invoke the honor system. If your e-mail software can be set to send plain-text, please do so. If not, well, that's life.ÊÊIf I can be of assistance with any of this, please e-mail. LM >I think most folks who are sending HTML to this list don't even realize >they're sending HTML. An HTML message *can* appear to be text only. But if >you see a message with fonts that aren't what you usually see, then those >messages are likely being sent as HTML. > >Would it be considered rude to send folks a *private* note just to let them >know they're sending HTML to the list? > >Note that HTML doesn't have to include anything more than what's seen as >text. But the text becomes a burden on those of us (1) whose server can't >handle the HTML or (2) whose machines take forever to open an HTML message. > >It's easy for me to spot an HTML message ... because my PC can take 10 or 15 >seconds (or even longer) just to open the message. A true text message pops >open right away. > >ÊÊÊ-- Harry >ÊÊÊÊÊÊhpw@mindspring.com > > >>ÊÊ-----Original Message----- >>ÊÊFrom: Don Long [mailto:dlong@aspen.cs.intel.com] >>ÊÊSent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:10 PM >>ÊÊTo: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu >>ÊÊSubject: Text, Please! >> >> >> >>ÊÊJust a note to remind everyone that some of us >>ÊÊare not using mail services that handle fancy >>ÊÊstuff like HTML.ÊÊI noticed several posts lately >>ÊÊthat weren't text - kinda takes the fun out! >> >>ÊÊDon Long >> -- --------------------------------------- ÊÊtrombone-l digest archives and useful ÊÊtrombone-l information are available ÊÊat http://www.trombone.org/trombone-l Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:34:10 -0700 From: "Paul Hill" To: Subject: Mike Suter's Email Address Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0001_01C15EE3.AD938D40" ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C15EE3.AD938D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" BoneHeads, ...anybody have Mike Suter's email address? Please fwd to pdhill@msn.com Thanks! Paul ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C15EE3.AD938D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BoneHeads, Ê ...anybody have Mike Suter's email address? Ê Please fwd to pdhill@msn.com Ê Thanks! Paul<= BR> ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C15EE3.AD938D40-- Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 10:09:38 -0700 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: "smith.howard" , ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ"Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Levine @ Boston Message-ID: <000601c15f0a$2af38a80$38525d3f@garymaxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know.ÊÊIt took me to the exact, same place. Gary ============ ----- Original Message ----- From: "smith.howard" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 4:40 AM Subject: Fw: Levine @ Boston > Sorry, previous post had wrong web address. This should work: > > I picked this up from a newsgroup and was wondering what your reaction would > be, Doug. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/27/arts/27LEVI.html > > Regards > > Howard > > > > Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 13:16:12 EDT From: Robynlea56@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: For Sale: Bach LT36KDR Trombone Message-ID: <15b.3183efd.290c45dc@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For Sale: Bach LT36KDR Detachable/Convertible Trombone. Lightweight slide, detachable sterling silver bell, "K" balanced-valve - F-attachment can be removed and horn converted to straight tenor via custom convertible piece (included).ÊÊPurchased new in 1997.ÊÊGreat slide.ÊÊHardly used. Some lacquer wear on bell.ÊÊPictures available upon request.ÊÊ$1800 obo. Contact: Robyn Jenkins Robynlea56@aol.com Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 19:42:14 +0100 From: "keith.marr" To: , ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ"Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Text, Please! ... Rude to Notify? Message-ID: <009101c15f18$7a00a140$a22a3c3e@tiny> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LM Apologies from one of the people you were quite right about. I didn't know that this was a problem. I will check my messages are plain text in future. Cheers! Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trombone-L Listmonitor" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 4:07 PM Subject: RE: Text, Please! ... Rude to Notify? > We're actually fighting a three-fold problem with this issue: > 1.ÊÊAmerica Online and some of the web-based e-mail services no > longer allow a plain-text option. > 2.ÊÊMicrosoft Outlook Express defaults to HTML, but you can set each > individual recipient's option separately (more on this later). > 3.ÊÊSome other e-mail clients (Eudora and PINE) do a less than > stellar job of displaying HTML-encoded e-mails. > > Unfortunately, there's no easy answer to this dilemma.ÊÊIf you are > using Microsoft Outlook Express, you can set up an address book entry > for the trombone-l with a preference of "Send plain text e-mail > only".ÊÊAmerica Online, however, offers no possible way to change > from HTML-encoded e-mails. > > At this point, all that can be done is to invoke the honor system. > If your e-mail software can be set to send plain-text, please do so. > If not, well, that's life.ÊÊIf I can be of assistance with any of > this, please e-mail. > > LM > > >I think most folks who are sending HTML to this list don't even realize > >they're sending HTML. An HTML message *can* appear to be text only. But if > >you see a message with fonts that aren't what you usually see, then those > >messages are likely being sent as HTML. > > > >Would it be considered rude to send folks a *private* note just to let them > >know they're sending HTML to the list? > > > >Note that HTML doesn't have to include anything more than what's seen as > >text. But the text becomes a burden on those of us (1) whose server can't > >handle the HTML or (2) whose machines take forever to open an HTML message. > > > >It's easy for me to spot an HTML message ... because my PC can take 10 or 15 > >seconds (or even longer) just to open the message. A true text message pops > >open right away. > > > >ÊÊÊ-- Harry > >ÊÊÊÊÊÊhpw@mindspring.com > > > > > >>ÊÊ-----Original Message----- > >>ÊÊFrom: Don Long [mailto:dlong@aspen.cs.intel.com] > >>ÊÊSent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:10 PM > >>ÊÊTo: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu > >>ÊÊSubject: Text, Please! > >> > >> > >> > >>ÊÊJust a note to remind everyone that some of us > >>ÊÊare not using mail services that handle fancy > >>ÊÊstuff like HTML.ÊÊI noticed several posts lately > >>ÊÊthat weren't text - kinda takes the fun out! > >> > >>ÊÊDon Long > >> > > > -- > --------------------------------------- >ÊÊÊtrombone-l digest archives and useful >ÊÊÊtrombone-l information are available >ÊÊÊat http://www.trombone.org/trombone-l > Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 19:47:54 +0100 From: "keith.marr" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: S-O-M & slide springs... Message-ID: <009401c15f18$7cf26a00$a22a3c3e@tiny> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Somebody tell the rest of us what S-O-M is please? Private jokes on a public forum are not always that obvious. Hopefully I'm not being thick. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earl Needham" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 8:37 PM Subject: S-O-M & slide springs... > At 07:38 PM 10/26/2001 +0100, Anthony Lees wrote: > >May I ask the 'lists' opinion of slide springs?ÊÊWhat do you believe the > >pro's and cons of them are and how do you think they best be used?ÊÊI am > >considering getting some and I would like to hear your opinions.ÊÊMany > >thanks!! > > > >Anthony > > Earlier, DanP wrote: > > > >Now on to S-O-M. > >ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊMissed it by THAT much... > >ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊEarl > > > ********************************************************* > Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:needhame@yucca.net > Clovis, New Mexico DM84 > Pet peeve #1: You look at a "SITE" with your "SIGHT". > Pet peeve #2: "Congratulations" does NOT have a "d" in it. > Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 15:23:54 -0600 From: James Scott To: keith.marr@tinyworld.co.uk Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: S-O-M & slide springs... Message-ID: <3BDB25EA.A7D8B67E@ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Keith - S O M = Slide O Mix , the slide lubricant made in Germany and marketed by UMI in North America. The inside joke is just that there have been many threads about equipment and materials that have gone on at epic proportions - SOM is one of them, and I guess people were expecting slide springs to be the next one. I'm sure that it isn't a slam on anyone - just a comment on the way that these topics take on a life of their own on this list. Jim Scott "keith.marr" wrote: > Somebody tell the rest of us what S-O-M is please? Private jokes on a public > forum are not always that obvious. > > Hopefully I'm not being thick. > > Keith > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Earl Needham" > To: "Trombones and related issues forum." > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 8:37 PM > Subject: S-O-M & slide springs... > > > At 07:38 PM 10/26/2001 +0100, Anthony Lees wrote: > > >May I ask the 'lists' opinion of slide springs?ÊÊWhat do you believe the > > >pro's and cons of them are and how do you think they best be used?ÊÊI am > > >considering getting some and I would like to hear your opinions.ÊÊMany > > >thanks!! > > > > > >Anthony > > > > Earlier, DanP wrote: > > > > > >Now on to S-O-M. > > > >ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊMissed it by THAT much... > > > >ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊEarl > > > > > > ********************************************************* > > Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:needhame@yucca.net > > Clovis, New Mexico DM84 > > Pet peeve #1: You look at a "SITE" with your "SIGHT". > > Pet peeve #2: "Congratulations" does NOT have a "d" in it. > > Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 15:12:43 -0700 From: Elizabeth & Larry White To: Scott.Johnson@turner.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Portable Stands Message-ID: <3BDB315B.3C43B4A7@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I certainly vouch for the K & M. I had one about six years ago that was stolen along with my previous instrument, and thought they were great. They fold up very well, and when put in their carrying case, make them easy to cart around. The fact that they are so well adjustable is a great big plus as well! Larry White "Johnson, Scott (TBS)" wrote: > > > Listers, > > Do you have any recommendations for a sturdy portable stand? Something > that will hold up a large, heavy three ring binder loaded with charts? > I'm looking for something that ideally would be as sturdy as the > faithful Manhasset standard but will fold up. Using the usual "wire" > fold up stand is very precarious under that kind of load. And the lip > of the desk seems to be pretty shallow when putting a large book like > the Arban's on it. > > A help appreciated! > > Best regards, > > Scott Johnson > Conyers, GA USA Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 23:51:01 +0100 From: "keith.marr" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: S-O-M & slide springs... Message-ID: <005601c15f39$dd1ca0a0$ae2e3c3e@tiny> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lads n' Lassies Thanks to all who took the trouble to let a relative newcomer know what S-O-M was. At the risk of inviting repetitions that are galling for long term listers can somebody give me the lowdown on Slide-O-Mix? I looked at their website only the other day as it happens and noted that it does everything but cure disease and poverty. What are people's experiences of it? Sorry long-time listers. Just call me Mr De Ja Vu I have always thought slide springs to be useful in enabling you to tune the F range so that the low C is not halfway off the end. You can often get the thing tuned so that the bass F is in tune by pressing against the spring. Sorry if that re-opens old sores as well. Incidentally S-O-M's not the only thing I've learned on this List. I have managed to play Bass Trombone for 25 years up to now, and Tenor 10 years before that, without knowing about interchangeable leadpipes or what a gooseneck was. No point getting older if you don't get wiser I suppose! Cheers! Keith Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 18:12:00 -0600 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: S-O-M & slide springs... Message-ID: <4.2.2.20011027181109.00abf4b8@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:51 PM 10/27/2001 +0100, keith.marr wrote: >Thanks to all who took the trouble to let a relative newcomer know what >S-O-M was. At the risk of inviting repetitions that are galling for long >term listers can somebody give me the lowdown on Slide-O-Mix? I looked at >their website only the other day as it happens and noted that it does >everything but cure disease and poverty. What are people's experiences of >it? ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊGreat product!ÊÊIf you have a reasonably straight slide, it's fast and easy to use. ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊEarl ********************************************************* Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:needhame@yucca.net Clovis, New Mexico DM84 Pet peeve #1: You look at a "SITE" with your "SIGHT". Pet peeve #2: "Congratulations" does NOT have a "d" in it. Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 22:06:15 EDT From: BassBonist@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: S-O-M & slide springs... Message-ID: <3a.1cd47289.290cc217@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3a.1cd47289.290cc217_boundary" --part1_3a.1cd47289.290cc217_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Keith Marr asks: ÊÊÊ>can somebody give me the lowdown on Slide-O-Mix? I looked at > >their website only the other day as it happens and noted that it does > >everything but cure disease and poverty. What are people's experiences of > >it? > It is good stuff: I have used it for eight years or more. However, be aware that it works best on tight slides that are not worn and are aligned very well. Looser, slightly worn slides sometimes can benefit from using lubes with greater film strength like Trombotine to name just one. Matt Varho --part1_3a.1cd47289.290cc217_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Keith Marr asks: ÊÊ>can somebody give me the lowdown on Slide-O-Mix? I looked at >their website only the other day as it happens and noted that it does >everything but cure disease and poverty. What are people's experiences of >it? It is good stuff: I have used it for eight years or more. However, be aware that it works best on tight slides that are not worn and are aligned very well. Looser, slightly worn slides sometimes can benefit from using lubes with greater film strength like Trombotine to name just one. Matt Varho --part1_3a.1cd47289.290cc217_boundary-- Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 22:26:56 -0400 From: Roger Hecht To: BassBonist@aol.com, ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ"Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: S-O-M & slide springs... Message-ID: <4.2.2.20011027221100.00a49450@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_47699311==_.ALT" --=====================_47699311==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:06 PM 10/27/2001 -0400, BassBonist@aol.com wrote: >Keith Marr asks: > >ÊÊÊ>can somebody give me the lowdown on Slide-O-Mix? I looked at >> >their website only the other day as it happens and noted that it does >> >everything but cure disease and poverty. What are people's experiences of >> >it? > >It is good stuff: I have used it for eight years or more. However, >be aware that it works best on tight slides that are not worn and are aligned >very well. Looser, slightly worn slides sometimes can benefit from using >lubes with greater film strength like Trombotine to name just one. I think the slide on my Shires is in good shape and reasonably tight anyway. It's gold brass and about a year old. I've tried a lot of lubricants, including Slide-o-Mix. I've found that it works great for a while if applied more liberally than is recommended. Maybe 3 drops rather than 1. (It has NEVER worked for me if I applied it as directed.) But it is less effective as time goes on. I'm not talking about going on within one application, but as you make future applications. It seems that the black stuff just builds up on it until I have to clean it with Wrights. Then it's fine and SOM works great--but again only for a while. Two weeks later, out comes the Wrights. Note that I always swab and rinse out the quite thoroughly between applications, but obviously not throughly enough, as the accumulation of black is always greater each time I put on an application. One writer on this list told me that SOM hastens oxidation, and I believe it. I'm no chemist, but I wonder if its liquid form makes the silicon in it (which I think is a catalyst for oxidation as well as an aid to slickness) makes it a more effective reactor with the metal. i I have also tried Trombotine and Conn Formula 3, both with and without the liquid silicon additive (which I have applied in a number of ways). I have never been happy with either. Again, I believe the liquid silicon quickens the oxidation. What has worked for me extremely well is Trombotine by itself. In using it, I defy all the rules. I apply more than is recommended (not a lot more, but enough so you can see it). I then pump the slide, but I do not then remove the cream as many suggest. I just spray with distilled water. I practice a lot, so the slide gets a lot of use, yet applications last up to three days. At the slightest deterioration, I swab out the slide and rinse with water repeatedly to get the black out (and it's not that much) and reapply. Nothing has worked for me as well as this. And it works extremely well--very fast, no problems. Obviously, there are a lot of variables vis a vis slides, players, etc. I arrived at my solution after a great deal of experimentation. I suspect you will have to do the same thing. Roger Hecht --=====================_47699311==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 10:06 PM 10/27/2001 -0400, BassBonist@aol.com wrote: Keith Marr asks: Ê >can somebody give me the lowdown on Slide-O-Mix? I looked at >their website only the other day as it happens and noted that it does >everything but cure disease and poverty. What are people's experiences of >it? It is good stuff: I have used it for eight years or more. However, be aware that it works best on tight slides that are not worn and are aligned very well. Looser, slightly worn slides sometimes can benefit from using lubes with greater film strength like Trombotine to name just one. I think the slide on my Shires is in good shape and reasonably tight anyway. It's gold brass and about a year old. I've tried a lot of lubricants, including Slide-o-Mix. I've found that it works great for a while if applied more liberally than is recommended. Maybe 3 drops rather than 1. (It has NEVER worked for me if I applied it as directed.) But it is less effective as time goes on. I'm not talking about going on within one application, but as you make future applications. It seems that the black stuff just builds up on it until I have to clean it with Wrights. Then it's fine and SOM works great--but again only for a while. Two weeks later, out comes the Wrights. Note that I always swab and rinse out the quite thoroughly between applications, but obviously not throughly enough, as the accumulation of black is always greater each time I put on an application. One writer on this list told me that SOM hastens oxidation, and I believe it. I'm no chemist, but I wonder if its liquid form makes the silicon in it (which I think is a catalyst for oxidation as well as an aid to slickness) makes it a more effective reactor with the metal. i I have also tried Trombotine and Conn Formula 3, both with and without the liquid silicon additive (which I have applied in a number of ways). I have never been happy with either. Again, I believe the liquid silicon quickens the oxidation. What has worked for me extremely well is Trombotine by itself. In using it, I defy all the rules. I apply more than is recommended (not a lot more, but enough so you can see it). I then pump the slide, but I do not then remove the cream as many suggest. I just spray with distilled water. I practice a lot, so the slide gets a lot of use, yet applications last up to three days. At the slightest deterioration, I swab out the slide and rinse with water repeatedly to get the black out (and it's not that much) and reapply. Nothing has worked for me as well as this. And it works extremely well--very fast, no problems. Obviously, there are a lot of variables vis a vis slides, players, etc. I arrived at my solution after a great deal of experimentation. I suspect you will have to do the same thing. Roger Hecht --=====================_47699311==_.ALT-- Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 04:48:22 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: S-O-M & slide springs... Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >I've tried a lot of lubricants, including Slide-o-Mix. I've found that it >works great for a while if applied more liberally than is recommended. >Maybe 3 drops rather than 1. (It has NEVER worked for me if I applied it as >directed.) I?ve recently switched to S-O-M, from BiNaK and then Trombotine.ÊÊI was looking for a slide lube that minimized that black stuff that accumulates on a slide. So it seems that there?s a major question here.ÊÊWhat is that back stuff?ÊÊ Is it some reaction of slide lube with saliva?ÊÊIs it a mixture of slide lube and warn slide metal?ÊÊIs there someone out there that can look at the stuff under a microscope and figure this out? DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 21:59:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Cloutier To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Slide Springs Message-ID: <20011028045906.19695.qmail@web13204.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am a big fan of slide springs, mainly for the reasons already listed (the ability to pull up a flat note, easier bump on the chops, etc). A few additions to the discussion: 1) You don't have to play a Conn if you want to play a horn with springs.ÊÊAll my horns have springs, and I do not own a Conn.ÊÊIn fact, in a couple of my horns, I made and fit the springs myself. 2) I found that the best way to cut down on the vibrations sometimes caused by springs is to install only one spring--usually on the bottom inner slide. Install an ordinary slide bumper on the top inner slide. 3) To eliminate the little "tick" that happens every time you touch the slide to the spring, I stripped some insulation off a wire and slipped over the end of the spring.ÊÊProblem solved. Hope all that helps. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com