TROMBONE-L Digest 2158 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Hank Levy's Passing by "Denver D. Seifried" 2) Re: David Zinman's Departure by Brian French 3) RE: Alto Trombone by richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL 4) Fwd: Bisbigliando? by REOnofreyJ@aol.com 5) RE: David Zinman's Departure by "Gary Greenhoe" 6) We Remember (a song for you) by Galen Zinn 7) Philadelphia Bones by Peter Ellefson 8) Re: David Zinman's Departure by "Tim Dowling" 9) RE: David Zinman's Departure by "Gary Greenhoe" 10) RE: Alto trombone by TboneGib@aol.com 11) by "Paul Rappaport" 12) Wisest thing so far. by Anders.Carlsson@gfs.gu.se (Anders Carlsson) 13) Re: Hank Levy's Passing by "Adrian Drover" 14) Re: by Gabriel Langfur 15) America the Beautiful trbn quartet by Robert Elkjer 16) Gronitz PCM by Tony Clements 17) Edward's bass bell for sale by "John Olsson" 18) RE: David Zinman's Departure by Randy Campora 19) Re: Wisest thing so far. by aceftd@aztec.asu.edu (FRANK T. DARMIENTO) 20) Re: America the Beautiful trbn quartet by "Dean McCarty" 21) Re: America the Beautiful trbn quartet by "Gary D. Maxwell" 22) Re: America the Beautiful trbn quartet by "Dave Wank" 23) Bisbigliando by Bear Woodson 24) Re: America the Beautiful trbn quartet by "Hector Bourg Jr." 25) Re: America the Beautiful trbn quartet by "Gary D. Maxwell" 26) Re: America the Beautiful trbn quartet by "Hector Bourg Jr." 27) Re: America the Beautiful trbn quartet by "Adrian Drover" 28) Re: Bisbigliando by "Adrian Drover" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2158 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 08:41:11 -0400 From: "Denver D. Seifried" To: "Trombone - List" Subject: Re: Hank Levy's Passing Message-ID: <007201c14108$5d385040$0c6b5acf@dseifried> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very sorry to hear of Hank Levy's passing. Like BassBonist, I also, had the great fortune to attend on of the Kenton Clinics; however, the clinic I attended was toward the middle of the 1970's at Sacramento State Univ. I played in Hank's band at that clinic and the "time charts" were very new to me. It was a great experience to work with Hank, and I can remember how patient he was with all of the musicians in our band. I felt very humbled to play alongside some totally awesome players, in our band, like Dave Stone, Steve Campos, and Dave Eshelman, plus others whose names I can not remember. It was really a week to remember! My condolences to Hank's family and his many students and Kenton Clinic friends. Denny Seifried Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Symphony & Dayton Jazz Orchestra Adjunct Trombone-Wittenberg Univ. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2158 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 08:43:12 -0400 From: Brian French To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: David Zinman's Departure Message-ID: <3BA892E0.1050707@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Randy, Do you feel it was justified for Temirkanov to come in and "clear cut" the orchestra (as it sounds by reading your post)? How many principal players were asked to step down, have they done so, and who are now in their seats? I really can't imagine many orchestras these days allowing this to happen. I admit I don't know very much about the inner workings of the Baltimore Symphony (particularly with regard to personnel matters and orchestra morale), and I have a very active imagination, but based on what's included in your post, I'd have to side with Zinman. Brian French Randy Campora wrote: Here's an insider's take on why Zinman has renounced his ties with the Baltimore Symphony: Our new music director, Yuri Temirkanov, fired the concertmaster at the end of last season. The concertmaster was best buddies with Zinman. Though he was fired, it was reported in the papers that the concertmaster decided to leave to pursue chamber music and teaching. But in reality he was fired. Other principal players in the orchestra were asked to step down and take section positions. This is the reason. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2158 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 08:55:19 -0400 From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL To: jfendrick@bak.rr.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Alto Trombone Message-ID: <81F62454EA21B94EA95517180D730373DCC4D6@lee-is-102.lee.army.mil> Yes, The Golfing Machine by Homer Kelley. You have to order from the internet, his widow still sells it, now in the 5th printing. Though much derided by people without the patience to struggle through it, (it is a little on the abstruse side) it has much to offer. It is a technical look at the geometry of golf by a mechanical engineer and amateur golfer who spent 28 years thinking about the golf swing. No serious intellectual golfer should be without it. (few of the pro's recommend it, as they are all physically talented athletes who do well with an intuitive approach; for those of us who are not naturals and need to know a little more, this is the book.) Let me know how you do. yours, Tim Richardson -----Original Message----- From: Randy Fendrick [mailto:jfendrick@bak.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 11:42 AM To: Trombone and related issues Subject: Alto Trombone Some month ago I read about a person who was retired and was picking up Alto Trombone. My golf game sucks big time and also want to try alto. Can anyone suggest a basic method book? If so let me know off list or on, depending. Also a source to locate the book. Thanking you in advance, -Randy Fendrick- Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra Southside Chicago Seven ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2158 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:26:27 EDT From: REOnofreyJ@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Fwd: Bisbigliando? Message-ID: <91.108dc018.28d9f703@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_91.108dc018.28d9f703_boundary" In a message dated 09/18/2001 11:25:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wbarrett@bestweb.net writes: Whatever you do, Adrian, don't spill any Guinness on it! Wouldn't that be alcohol abuse? Rick Onofrey Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd03.mx.aol.com (rly-yd03.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.3]) by air-yd04.mail.aol.com (v80.17) with ESMTP id MAILINYD44-0918112538; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 11:25:38 2000 Received: from po.missouri.edu (po.missouri.edu [128.206.12.137]) by rly-yd03.mx.aol.com (v80.21) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYD33-0918112512; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 11:25:12 -0400 Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by po.missouri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA30953; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 10:25:08 -0500 Received: from mercury.bestweb.net (mercury.bestweb.net [209.94.100.175]) by po.missouri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30599 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 10:24:31 -0500 Received: from [216.179.1.253] (dialin-253-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net [216.179.1.253]) by mercury.bestweb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 035339CFFD for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 11:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 11:23:56 -0400 Reply-To: wbarrett@bestweb.net Sender: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Precedence: bulk From: Walter Barrett To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Bisbigliando? In-Reply-To: <005101c13f86$fb85c4e0$7299fc3e@kentondr> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-To: "Trombones and related issues forum." X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) on 9/17/01 10:39 AM, Adrian Drover at slide.rule@adios.co.uk sent forth into the cosmos: > > From: "Tom Izzo" > >> Maynard FEGUSON???? >> Was he any relation to Maynard FeRguson? >> >> LOL-Adrian, you're slipping. :-) > > Sorry Tom, my son has connected a new qwerty board to my computer and it > keeps missing key presses. Either it's faulty or I'm not hitting hard > enough. I'll try spilling a cup of coffee on it, see if that makes it any > better. > > Cheers, A. > > > Whatever you do, Adrian, don't spill any Guinness on it! It's too precious to waste on computer repair. The repairperson, on the other hand, can sometimes benefit from it's special lubricating properties... Cheers! -- Walter Barrett "A Guinness a day helps keep the shrink away!" - Art Triggs Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2158 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:45:14 -0500 From: "Gary Greenhoe" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: David Zinman's Departure Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Brian and list, I don't find the situation in Baltimore out of the ordinary. Of course I am not privy to the particulars. But here in Milwaukee, I was the benefactor of a major housecleaning in the late sixties as Schermerhorn went to great lengths before my arrival to clean house and there was quite a fervor when I arrived. With his tenure, the orchestra improved greatly. When he left and we were subject to Lucas Foss for a number of years....no one was pushed to perform, as those of you that know him....his world was of some other place. Then we had a ten year dictatorial reign with Zdenck Macal, where he intimidated anyone that wasn't part of his personal inner circle of players. During his tenure, many good people were lost as he developed a "every man/woman for himself/herself" split within the orchestra. His brutal tactics almost destroyed our great orchestra and left "the few" enjoying many perks, new titles and generous raises, while the rest of us went un-noticed in his eye. A true cast system with no disguise. Then along came Andreas Delfs whom created some new tension within the orchestra as he didn't exactly recognize all of the elevated ones immediately. He has demanded a great deal from the whole orchestra in the few years he has been our music director...and many are not comfortable that they don't have a particular inside track with him. I must say though, that he is exciting and bold and has brought a fresh climate once again to Milwaukee. He is very vocal in rehearsals, as well as during concerts...as he regularly calls in ANYONE before, during intermission, or after concerts to voice his disappointment with any particular problem in performance. Just two weeks ago, in our opening concert series doing a huge production of "Bizet", concert stage version with children's chorus, a 100 piece full chorus, the intermission went on for an extra 15 minutes while we were all seated for the second half. The audience, chorus and orchestra just sat there.......it was rather hilarious, but there was not a sound.... finally Andreas briskly entered and things went on as though nothing happened. Just a number of burned 1st violinists! Many people may find this appalling, but I have found his style very refreshing. At least you know where you stand with him...and there's no worry that something is simmering long term with him....that ends up blowing up in your face. During his tenure a number of very good musicians have been asked to think about retirement, which is always a painful thing....but Andreas has added a number of great young talented musicians so far, and has been very, very respectful of the audition committee's picks to a fault. I guess one has to "live" in an orchestral situation and survive many Music Director's tenures to fully appreciate the dynamics of an intimate community where everyone depends on the rest of the orchestra to always strive for the highest standards. When everyone is on the same page, it may be sometimes tense, but great things begin to happen and it seems all worthwhile! I personally have had a wonderful shot in the arm with Delf's arrival...and I feel as though my playing career is just beginning. There are many Music Directors/Guest conductors out there that just can't find the balance....and I've seen my fair share of those that shouldn't be near a baton. But when things click and a conductor shows a relatively equal treatment across the board, has grasp of the great literature, can interact with the community ($$$), and shows respect for people that can respond to his needs musically... life is good! Regards, Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Brian French Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 7:43 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: David Zinman's Departure Randy, Do you feel it was justified for Temirkanov to come in and "clear cut" the orchestra (as it sounds by reading your post)? How many principal players were asked to step down, have they done so, and who are now in their seats? I really can't imagine many orchestras these days allowing this to happen. I admit I don't know very much about the inner workings of the Baltimore Symphony (particularly with regard to personnel matters and orchestra morale), and I have a very active imagination, but based on what's included in your post, I'd have to side with Zinman. Brian French Randy Campora wrote: > Here's an insider's take on why Zinman has renounced his ties with the > Baltimore Symphony: > > Our new music director, Yuri Temirkanov, fired the concertmaster at > the end of last season. The concertmaster was best buddies with > Zinman. Though he was fired, it was reported in the papers that the > concertmaster decided to leave to pursue chamber music and teaching. > But in reality he was fired. Other principal players in the orchestra > were asked to step down and take section positions. > > This is the reason. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2158 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 07:48:53 -0700 From: Galen Zinn To: Trombone List Post Subject: We Remember (a song for you) Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Not about trombones, but perhaps more important under current circumstances. I thought you might be interested. My son Paul wrote and recorded a song this weekend about the terrorist attack. It's currently living at: http://www.myhairybrother.com/weremember Pass on the URL to anyone who you think would appreciate the song. He wrote it for the rest of America as much as or more so than for himself. Galen Zinn E-mail: zinger@musician.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2158 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 08:35:58 -0700 From: Peter Ellefson To: Subject: Philadelphia Bones Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Northwest List Members: I am posting this at the request of Don Immel at the University of Washington. This is a very exciting event. We are sort of stuck in the "upper left hand corner" and having such wonderful players come through town, it is a rare opportunity. BTW, there may be a ticket or two left for the Philadelphia Orchestra concert at Benaroya Hall on October 1. Check periodically as people sometimes return their tickets. PE ================================= Dear trombone enthusiasts, I am excited about the next UW Trombonology event on October 2nd featuring the Philadelpia Orchestra trombone section. These are some of the most recognized trombonists in the US and beyond: Nitzan Haroz, Matthew Vaughn, Eric Carlson and Blair Bollinger. They will be coming to UW School of Music for a masterclass, orchestral excerpt performance, and an evening solo and chamber concert. This (shorter than the first) Trombonology event will take place on Tuesday, October 2nd, in the Music Building from 3:30 to 9:30 PM, in the School of Music Brechemin Auditorium. There is limited seating! Bring a horn for another mass choir gathering (not across campus this time, just down a lot of stairs). I've included a link to the current web page with a few more details. Remember that all Trombonology events on the UW campus are FREE. Here is the link: http://faculty.washington.edu/donimmel/trombonology.html Don Immel Assistant Professor of Trombone University of Washington ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2158 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:44:23 +0200 From: "Tim Dowling" To: "trombone-l" Subject: Re: David Zinman's Departure Message-ID: <006001c14121$f5aa7600$e50540d4@xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm just wondering how easy or difficult it is to be fired from a US orchestra. I mean, to me here in Holland it would unthinkable that a Music Director could sack the concertmaster after only one season. There would be processes, letters, legal wranglings and hefty payouts, and actually no guarantee of success. We have a chapter in our Collective Work Agreement which deals with "Performance Improvement", where players under "scrutiny" are given every chance to rehabilitate themselves. And firings on the whim of the conductor... not so easy to organize. It's a fine line when we talk of improving the orchestra, I think. So often there are other, completely a-musical reasons being bandied about. Not to mention the concept of "who's next in line"? As far as Zinman is concerned, well if he is resigning on the grounds of the the treatment of the concertmaster, perhaps the euphemism of "leaving to follow a new career path" is more appropriate than "He has been fired". Perhaps Zinman is right to try protect the reputation of his friend. It's my experience that departing conductors very often leave under a cloud. Difficult marriages these conductor\orchestra relationships. Tim Dowling Residentie Orchestra The Hague ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Campora" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 1:25 AM Subject: Re: David Zinman's Departure > Here's an insider's take on why Zinman has renounced his ties with the > Baltimore Symphony: > > Our new music director, Yuri Temirkanov, fired the concertmaster at the end > of last season. The concertmaster was best buddies with Zinman. Though he > was fired, it was reported in the papers that the concertmaster decided to > leave to pursue chamber music and teaching. But in reality he was fired. > Other principal players in the orchestra were asked to step down and take > section positions. > > This is the reason. > > All the rest of the stuff mentioned in the article may be things that are > on his mind, but they are not the reason he was "ill" at the end of last > season and suddenly cancelled his appearance with the BSO (it was shortly > after the firing of the concertmaster) even though he finished his concerts > with the New York Philharmonic that same week. New music, or lack thereof, > is not the reason he has renounced his title. He's mad that his buddy the > concertmaster was fired. > > So with this action who is he trying to punish? The musicians will be fine, > Temirkanov could not care less because it won't impact him (I'm guessing), > his action won't do anything to put more modern American music on our > concerts. The losers are the audience, who in every city always enjoy > welcoming back the old music director and giving him a standing ovation. He > kicked the audience in the gut. He may have wanted to get back at upper > management for not giving him all the goodies he wanted, but ticket sales > are up dramatically in the past two seasons since Zinman left, critical > reviews are uniformly raving (for what that's worth...), and finances are > fine so what does it matter. > > By the way, when asked about how much modern American music he would > program, Temirkanov said last year, "when I hear something good I'll > program it." > > The purpose of this post is not to bash Zinman--he's a fine conductor and I > have many, many fond memories of concerts, tours, recordings, and he did > many wonderful things for the BSO in his tenure as boss. The purpose is to > simply say that he did something childish that I think he will come to > regret in the future, and that he did not publicly state what his real > reasons were for his actions. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Randy Campora > Bass Trombonist > Baltimore Symphony Orchestra > Peabody Conservatory of Music > > campora@peabody.jhu.edu > 410.461.1984 > FAX 530.687.9849 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2158 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 12:09:08 -0500 From: "Gary Greenhoe" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: David Zinman's Departure Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Tim and list, Normally the dismissal process is a long drawn out affair with most major US orchestras. Geez, we have ICSOM, collective bargaining agreements, final decisions made by "committee's of our peers", etc... and when there is a clear cut case of a Music Director having one mind and the orchestra another...it is ironclad. However, from my earlier post, there are more and more instances of anarchy in many orchestras here from my observations....and again with Macal, for example, it was divide and conquer. Once orchestra members with leverage begin to accept the perks of being favorites of a conductor such as Macal....things quickly go downhill. The orchestra becomes fiercely divided, the committees that are ELECTED by the orchestra members are either driven by comments of other members, or are intimidated by the music director to vote respectable players out. The more subtle approach is for a music director to hound a given player privately (with union steward present, of course) until that person's abilities ARE questionable from intimidation, and soon there is a retirement agreement reached behind closed doors. The player is heaped with honors for years of fine service and all is well. Look around you...in all of the great orchestras. Have some great players simply disappeared over the years? You bet! This has been going on in many orchestras...and it often gets swept under the table. But I could name numerous examples of good or great players that have been shown the door in one way or another. And, at the same time, there are often a half dozen section players that have been on some kind of sick leave for years....not that this isn't legitimate, but sometimes it's a way for a musician to draw a long term salary with no performance issue involved to allow them to be dismissed. >From my advancing years, it seems that many of the younger players that have filled seats around me have quite a different view of unions, respect for elders (me), managements, colleagues, etc. It seems as though many rising talents have a me, me, me attitude more than anyone of my generation had. When I arrived as a young trombonist, I had been taught to respect my elders, and learn from them. All of a sudden, (30 years later) I seem to be an elder, and missed the years where I was in-between. The brash young kids only wonder when I might retire so they can fill my place with an equally brash friend. As I said in my earlier post, some things have a different perspective when my wisdom cells finally kicked in. I truly enjoy playing more than I ever have in my career and much of what is wrong with orchestras today has a different perspective to me. I can observe all of the politics, young stars and conductors coming and going from a much more comfortable place. I know what I can do. I'm not easily intimidated anymore. I love what I do. BTW, I don't plan on throwing in the towel for many years to come, in case anyone was wondering! Regards, Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Tim Dowling Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 10:44 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: David Zinman's Departure I'm just wondering how easy or difficult it is to be fired from a US orchestra. I mean, to me here in Holland it would unthinkable that a Music Director could sack the concertmaster after only one season. There would be processes, letters, legal wranglings and hefty payouts, and actually no guarantee of success. We have a chapter in our Collective Work Agreement which deals with "Performance Improvement", where players under "scrutiny" are given every chance to rehabilitate themselves. And firings on the whim of the conductor... not so easy to organize. It's a fine line when we talk of improving the orchestra, I think. So often there are other, completely a-musical reasons being bandied about. Not to mention the concept of "who's next in line"? As far as Zinman is concerned, well if he is resigning on the grounds of the the treatment of the concertmaster, perhaps the euphemism of "leaving to follow a new career path" is more appropriate than "He has been fired". Perhaps Zinman is right to try protect the reputation of his friend. It's my experience that departing conductors very often leave under a cloud. Difficult marriages these conductor\orchestra relationships. Tim Dowling Residentie Orchestra The Hague ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Campora" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 1:25 AM Subject: Re: David Zinman's Departure > Here's an insider's take on why Zinman has renounced his ties with the > Baltimore Symphony: > > Our new music director, Yuri Temirkanov, fired the concertmaster at the end > of last season. The concertmaster was best buddies with Zinman. Though he > was fired, it was reported in the papers that the concertmaster decided to > leave to pursue chamber music and teaching. But in reality he was fired. > Other principal players in the orchestra were asked to step down and take > section positions. > > This is the reason. > > All the rest of the stuff mentioned in the article may be things that are > on his mind, but they are not the reason he was "ill" at the end of last > season and suddenly cancelled his appearance with the BSO (it was shortly > after the firing of the concertmaster) even though he finished his concerts > with the New York Philharmonic that same week. New music, or lack thereof, > is not the reason he has renounced his title. He's mad that his buddy the > concertmaster was fired. > > So with this action who is he trying to punish? The musicians will be fine, > Temirkanov could not care less because it won't impact him (I'm guessing), > his action won't do anything to put more modern American music on our > concerts. The losers are the audience, who in every city always enjoy > welcoming back the old music director and giving him a standing ovation. He > kicked the audience in the gut. He may have wanted to get back at upper > management for not giving him all the goodies he wanted, but ticket sales > are up dramatically in the past two seasons since Zinman left, critical > reviews are uniformly raving (for what that's worth...), and finances are > fine so what does it matter. > > By the way, when asked about how much modern American music he would > program, Temirkanov said last year, "when I hear something good I'll > program it." > > The purpose of this post is not to bash Zinman--he's a fine conductor and I > have many, many fond memories of concerts, tours, recordings, and he did > many wonderful things for the BSO in his tenure as boss. The purpose is to > simply say that he did something childish that I think he will come to > regret in the future, and that he did not publicly state what his real > reasons were for his actions. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Randy Campora > Bass Trombonist > Baltimore Symphony Orchestra > Peabody Conservatory of Music > > campora@peabody.jhu.edu > 410.461.1984 > FAX 530.687.9849 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2158 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 13:25:00 EDT From: TboneGib@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Alto trombone Message-ID: <8b.c7036a7.28da2eec@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've posted this before, but just a reminder to folks starting on the alto bone: In the General Area of trombonelessons.com is a 12-page routine for Alto bone that'll get you in shape very quickly. Warfield Music also carries an alto method by Mr. Slokar that's very nice. My suggestion is to start transposing everything you see into alto clef and just read, read, read. Bordogni's, Arban's,etc. Remember to find a suitable mouthpiece. 5G's, 6 1/2 AL's, 51 D's, etc. just don't cut it. It's a small horn designed to make a small sound (relatively speaking, of course). If you've got a 12C lying around, start with that. If you're just not happy with that, check my website for about 40 small-bore mp's I have for loan or sale. Tom Gibson Brass Dept. Coordinator Georgia State University TboneGib@aol.com (404) 651-1740 trombonelessons.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2158 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 13:01:33 -0500 From: "Paul Rappaport" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hello all, I have been a past member of the list and wondered if it still served as a means to inquire about purchasing horns. I am in need of a Bass Trombone, but I am a master's student so funds are limited. I am definitely looking for a horn with 2 valves, as to what kind of valves and horn I am willing to entertain any offer, although I would like to get something that will serve me for the future. If the list is not used for this purpose anymore, please disregard. I appreciate you time. P. Rappaport Please direct responses to RappaportPaul@hotmail.com so as not to clutter up the list. Thanks. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2158 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 21:07:07 +0200 From: Anders.Carlsson@gfs.gu.se (Anders Carlsson) To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Wisest thing so far. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit After have been doing a lot of guessing and reading a lot more of the same kind on the horrorfilled events of last tuesday this was very refreshing. Some of you may have read it already but others, feel free to forward it if you like. ------------------------ By: Tamim Ansary I've been hearing a lot of talk about "bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age." Ronn Owens, on KGO Talk Radio today, allowed that this would mean killing innocent people, people who had nothing to do with this atrocity, but "we're at war, we have to accept collateral damage. What else can we do?" Minutes later I heard some TV pundit discussing whether we "have the belly to do what must be done." And I thought about the issues being raised especially hard because I am from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived here for 35 years I've never lost track of what's going on there. So I want to tell anyone who will listen how it all looks from where I'm standing. I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. There is no doubt in my mind that these people were responsible for the atrocity in New York. I agree that something must be done about those monsters. But the Taliban and Ben Laden are not Afghanistan. They're not even the government of Afghanistan. The Taliban are a cult of ignorant psychotics who took over Afghanistan in 1997. Bin Laden is a political criminal with a plan. When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When you think Bin Laden, think Hitler. And when you think "the people of Afghanistan" think "the Jews in the concentration camps." It's not only that the Afghan people had nothing to do with this atrocity. They were the first victims of the perpetrators. They would exult if someone would come in there, take out the Taliban and clear out the rats nest of international thugs holed up in their country. Some say, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the Taliban? The answer is, they're starved, exhausted, hurt, incapacitated, suffering. A few years ago, the United Nations estimated that there are 500,000 disabled orphans in Afghanistan--a country with no economy, no food. There are millions of widows. And the Taliban has been burying these widows alive in mass graves. The soil is littered with land mines, the farms were all destroyed by the Soviets. These are a few of the reasons why the Afghan people have not overthrown the Taliban. We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age. Trouble is, that's been done. The Soviets took care of it already. Make the Afghans suffer? They're already suffering. Level their houses? Done. Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done. Eradicate their hospitals? Done. Destroy their infrastructure? Cut them off from medicine and health care? Too late. Someone already did all that. New bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier bombs. Would they at least get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's Afghanistan, only the Taliban eat, only they have the means to move around. They'd slip away and hide. Maybe the bombs would get some of those disabled orphans, they don't move too fast, they don't even have wheelchairs. But flying over Kabul and dropping bombs wouldn't really be a strike against the criminals who did this horrific thing. Actually it would only be making common cause with the Taliban--by raping once again the people they've been raping all this time. So what else is there? What can be done, then? Let me now speak with true fear and trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden is to go in there with ground troops. When people speak of "having the belly to do what needs to be done" they're thinking in terms of having the belly to kill as many as needed. Having the belly to overcome any moral qualms about killing innocent people. Let's pull our heads out of the sand. What's actually on the table is Americans dying. And not just because some Americans would die fighting their way through Afghanistan to Bin Laden's hideout. It's much bigger than that folks. Because to get any troops to Afghanistan, we'd have to go through Pakistan. Would they let us? Not likely. The conquest of Pakistan would have to be first. Will other Muslim nations just stand by? You see where I'm going. We're flirting with a world war between Islam and the West. And guess what: that's Bin Laden's program. That's exactly what he wants. That's why he did this. Read his speeches and statements. It's all right there. He really believes Islam would beat the west. It might seem ridiculous, but he figures if he can polarize the world into Islam and the West, he's got a billion soldiers. If the west wreaks a holocaust in those lands, that's a billion people with nothing left to lose, that's even better from Bin Laden's point of view. He's probably wrong, in the end the west would win, whatever that would mean, but the war would last for years and millions would die, not just theirs but ours. Who has the belly for that? Bin Laden does. Anyone else? Tamim Ansary ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2158 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 20:05:22 +0100 From: "Adrian Drover" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Hank Levy's Passing Message-ID: <005601c1413e$9eea0840$960bfd3e@kentondr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just loved Hank's charts for the Don Ellis band. Met him in Baltimore while on tour with M.F. band. He rehearsed us with some new charts. Taught us how to sing "Life is Just a Bowl of Cherries" in 5/4 time. Cannot be repeated on the list. Great guy. Will be missed sadly. A. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2158 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 11:49:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Message-ID: <20010919184910.82505.qmail@web10305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Paul, check out www.trombone.org There's a classified ad area, and, if I'm not mistaken, someone is selling a used Getzen 1062, which is probably the best relatively low-price value on the market in a stock bass trombone. I've only played one of them that I didn't like and that was years ago. I wouldn't trade my Shires for it, but I could comfortably pick one up and take it to a gig. Gabe --- Paul Rappaport wrote: > Hello all, > I have been a past member of the list and wondered if > it still served as > a means to inquire about purchasing horns. I am in need > of a Bass Trombone, > but I am a master's student so funds are limited. I am > definitely looking > for a horn with 2 valves, as to what kind of valves and > horn I am willing to > entertain any offer, although I would like to get > something that will serve > me for the future. If the list is not used for this > purpose anymore, please > disregard. I appreciate you time. > P. Rappaport > > Please direct responses to RappaportPaul@hotmail.com so > as not to clutter up > the list. Thanks. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2158 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:19:41 -0700 From: Robert Elkjer To: trombone list Subject: America the Beautiful trbn quartet Message-ID: <3BA90BED.F377F939@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Dear trombonists, For a free copy of "America the Beautiful", arranged for trombone quartet, visit Elkjer Music at http://home.pacbell.net/melkjer/ Click on "America the Beautiful". This arrangement is not difficult, with no extreme registers. It is dedicated to those who died on September 18. ***Celebrate diversity and freedom*** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2158 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:07:30 -0700 From: Tony Clements To: Greg Bergantz , Dave Amason , Jim Andrada , Subject: Gronitz PCM Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I received two Gronitz PCM today. This is a 4/4, 4+1 CC tuba. It is the same size as the Meinl Weston 2145 or the Hirsbrunner HB-2P. I don't know how it compares, size-wise to the PT's as I am unacquainted with their model designations. Here is my initial impression after about an hour on each tuba. I compared them to my HB-2P, 2 - Mirafone 188-5U's (one gold brass), and the Mirafone 186-5U. Sound: The HB was the Darkest, with the Gronitz next, 188, 186 Low notes: This is a BIG deal to me as many tubas I play have weak low notes. The Gronitz low register was the best of the bunch, by FAR. The 188's were next, the HB, then the 186's. Projection: with the fullness of sound and evenness of response, I feel the Gronitz projected better than the rest, HB next, 188.s then the 186's. Pitch: Gronitz, HB, 88's, 86's Fit & finish: NOTHING is like the Hirsbrunners, but Dietrich didn't send me the THIRD PCM because he wasn't happy with the lacquer job, so his products look pretty darn good! Overall impression: I could be happy as a clam with the Gronitz, even after being spoiled with the Hirsbrunners. After I play the Gronitz in the hall this weekend, I may decide to keep one of them and sell off the HB-2. Good news: Price $6248. I can get you a RB gig bag for about $260 that fits like a glove! Any questions, give me a call. Tony Clements http://www.lowbrasswerks.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2158 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 19:18:40 -0400 From: "John Olsson" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Edward's bass bell for sale Message-ID: <001301c14161$6c9f58e0$29fe3218@wre.adelphia.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Lister's I have an Edward's bass bell for sale Red Brass Bass bell #1843CF -it's 23 gauge 10 1/2" diameter, un-soldered, it seems to have a bigger throat than the 9 1/2" bells . Paid $525-is brand new (5 months old) will sell for $445 (I pay the shipping) You save $80 plus shipping! Great bell! Very responsive, big sound that projects well. I've switched to a Shires Bass bell section so I can't use it now. John Olsson jolsson@adelphia.net Instructor of Trombone/Low Brass Kent State University-Stark Campus Malone College Mt. Union College West Liberty State College ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bass Trombone Canton Symphony Orchestra Wheeling Symphony Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2158 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 20:41:51 -0400 From: Randy Campora To: gary@greenhoe.com, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: David Zinman's Departure Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010919204008.009e5810@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed If anyone is interested in the topic, in terms of a more details vis a vis the Baltimore situation, I would be happy to correspond off the list privately. I don't want to speak too publicly about this, I hope you understand. Thanks, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Randy Campora Bass Trombonist Baltimore Symphony Orchestra Peabody Conservatory of Music campora@peabody.jhu.edu 410.461.1984 FAX 530.687.9849 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2158 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:57:39 -0700 (MST) From: aceftd@aztec.asu.edu (FRANK T. DARMIENTO) To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Wisest thing so far. Message-ID: <200109200057.RAA20320@aztec2.asu.edu> Anders Carlsson wrote: >After have been doing a lot of guessing and reading a lot more of the >same kind on the horrorfilled events of last tuesday this was very >refreshing. Some of you may have read it already but others, feel free >to forward it if you like. > > >----------------------- > >By: Tamim Ansary > >I've been hearing a lot of talk about "bombing Afghanistan back to the >Stone Age." Ronn Owens, on KGO Talk Radio today, allowed that this would >mean killing innocent people, people who had nothing to do with this >atrocity, but "we're at war, we have to accept collateral damage. What >else >can we do?" Minutes later I heard some TV pundit discussing whether we >"have the belly to do what must be done." > > >That's why he did this. Read his speeches and statements. It's all right >there. He really believes Islam would beat the west. It might seem >ridiculous, but he figures if he can polarize the world into Islam and >the West, he's got a billion soldiers. If the west wreaks a holocaust in >those lands, that's a billion people with nothing left to lose, that's even >better from Bin Laden's point of view. He's probably wrong, in the end >the west would win, whatever that would mean, but the >war would last for years and millions would die, not just theirs but >ours. > >Who has the belly for that? Bin Laden does. Anyone else? > >Tamim Ansary > Yeah, me! If all you can do is wring your hands, please don't waste our time telling us what we already know - especially on Trombone-L. Tell Mr. Ansary to go clean his horn (trombone content.) -- Frank T. Darmiento (e-mail: aceftd@aztec.asu.edu) Scottsdale, Arizona ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2158 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 20:21:02 -0500 From: "Dean McCarty" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: America the Beautiful trbn quartet Message-ID: <007301c14172$8511d4a0$59c12bcf@compaqcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Robert. It printed out fine for me... I just had to adjust my margins... but it came out great. I will plan on trying to incorporate this into this Sunday's worship service at my church. Dean McCarty freelance trombonist, Houston area ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Elkjer To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 4:19 PM Subject: America the Beautiful trbn quartet > Dear trombonists, > > For a free copy of "America the Beautiful", arranged for trombone > quartet, visit Elkjer Music at > > http://home.pacbell.net/melkjer/ > > Click on "America the Beautiful". > > This arrangement is not difficult, with no extreme registers. > > It is dedicated to those who died on September 18. > > ***Celebrate diversity and freedom*** > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2158 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 20:14:35 -0700 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: America the Beautiful trbn quartet Message-ID: <000901c14182$61367f80$40525d3f@garymaxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Robert, I'd like to ring in on this too. I didn't adjust any margins, but it printed out just fine on 8 1/2X11 paper, although it took quite awhile. Well, but, gee, maybe it was because I only have a little, 166Mhz 'puter. But then, if I could get it successfully, so should a lot of others. Thanks for the arrangement. It goes in the folders tonight. All the best, Gary Maxwell Bass Trombone Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra ======================================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean McCarty" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 6:21 PM Subject: Re: America the Beautiful trbn quartet > Thanks Robert. It printed out fine for me... I just had to adjust my > margins... but it came out great. I will plan on trying to incorporate this > into this Sunday's worship service at my church. > > Dean McCarty > freelance trombonist, Houston area > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert Elkjer > To: Trombones and related issues forum. > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 4:19 PM > Subject: America the Beautiful trbn quartet > > > > Dear trombonists, > > > > For a free copy of "America the Beautiful", arranged for trombone > > quartet, visit Elkjer Music at > > > > http://home.pacbell.net/melkjer/ > > > > Click on "America the Beautiful". > > > > This arrangement is not difficult, with no extreme registers. > > > > It is dedicated to those who died on September 18. > > > > ***Celebrate diversity and freedom*** > > > > > > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2158 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:43:06 -0400 From: "Dave Wank" To: "Trombone-L" Subject: Re: America the Beautiful trbn quartet Message-ID: <002301c14186$5c7b6ba0$a598fea9@computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just downloaded your quartet. It really looks interesting. We will be trying it at the next rehearsals. I took a bit of time to download but it looks like it will be worth it! Thank you very much for your thoughtfulness in making this available to us. Dave Wank ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2158 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 22:03:47 -0700 From: Bear Woodson To: Trombone List Subject: Bisbigliando Message-ID: <3BA978B3.67D4C8A4@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Trombone List. As some of you know, I gave up playing piano almost 20 years ago, when nerve damage to the right arm forced me to switch to being a lefty in all hand- writing, ever since. However I'm rapidly gaining International attention for my series of sonatas and concertos for each orches- tral instrument. In April 2000, I wrote my "Ashkenazic Rhapsody for Harp", which can be played for harp alone, or for harp with orchestra. I was immediately told it was "in a category with three top best written, and hardest to play, harp concertos of all history". I also have a very kind Letter of Recommendation from the German Harp Virtuosa, Professorin Helga Storck. Trust me: Bisbigliando does mean both "whispering" and "a tremoloed chord on the harp". When they try to play a "trilled chord" on the harp, it simply can't be done, "as fast as possible AND loud at the same time". The last 3 minutes of my "Ashkenazic Rhapsody" uses a few passages of Bisbigliandi, and are SO hard non-stop for the soloist, that I've had to withdraw it. I will need to re-write it, so that it will have harmonies will match the orchestral version, BUT have alternating easier and harder phrases. Professorin Storck has agreed to help me with the re-write of it, so that it will be more accessible to more harpists, and will get a lot of performances. Yes, I *DO* know the meaning of "Bisbigliando". There are a few harpists out there, who want to hunt me down and kill me, for my Bisbigliandi!!! (And, by the way, trombones are not the ONLY instrument that want to kill the composer for writing Trills; but at least I knew better than to include them in my harp music!) (NEVER turn your back on a pissed-off harpist, who studied Archery! Ah nayvir git tew dew NUTH- thin! Ah nayvir git tew hayve ENNY funn at-tall! *pout!*) Meanwhile, in the middle of juggling too many projects, I finished the orchestration and editing of the Part Books for my Horn Concerto, which will also have transcriptions of the Solo part for Tenor Trombone and Euphonium. I think it will be a well-liked piece, and fun to play. It's already been recorded with Horn in the Piano Reduction Version. Bear Woodson Composer, Tucson, Arizona, USA ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2158 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 01:34:16 -0500 From: "Hector Bourg Jr." To: "Bone List" Subject: Re: America the Beautiful trbn quartet Message-ID: <006201c1419e$496b46d0$c2533842@hn9nz49oeloz7b> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We'd like to add our thanks and appreciation to those previously sent by others on the list. We too will add it to folders tomorrow night (The Callanwolde Concert Band) and again next monday to the SJO's folders. BTW... I downloaed the whole thing in less than 15 seconds...cable modem...gotta LOVE it! :-) No problems printing it out. hb **************************************************************************** *** Hector "Butch" Bourg Jr. - Graphic and Web Design - Atlanta, GA Trombonist - Sentimental Journey Orchestra - http://www.thesjo.com ** NOW CELEBRATING TWENTY-FIVE SWINGIN' YEARS ** **************************************************************************** *** PLEASE UPDATE your e-dress for me to: sackbutt@mediaone.net **************************************************************************** *** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 10:14 PM Subject: Re: America the Beautiful trbn quartet > Hi Robert, > > I'd like to ring in on this too. I didn't adjust any margins, but it > printed out just fine on 8 1/2X11 paper, although it took quite awhile. > Well, but, gee, maybe it was because I only have a little, 166Mhz 'puter. > But then, if I could get it successfully, so should a lot of others. > > Thanks for the arrangement. It goes in the folders tonight. > > All the best, > Gary Maxwell > Bass Trombone > Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra > ======================================= > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dean McCarty" > To: "Trombones and related issues forum." > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 6:21 PM > Subject: Re: America the Beautiful trbn quartet > > > > Thanks Robert. It printed out fine for me... I just had to adjust my > > margins... but it came out great. I will plan on trying to incorporate > this > > into this Sunday's worship service at my church. > > > > Dean McCarty > > freelance trombonist, Houston area > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Robert Elkjer > > To: Trombones and related issues forum. > > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 4:19 PM > > Subject: America the Beautiful trbn quartet > > > > > > > Dear trombonists, > > > > > > For a free copy of "America the Beautiful", arranged for trombone > > > quartet, visit Elkjer Music at > > > > > > http://home.pacbell.net/melkjer/ > > > > > > Click on "America the Beautiful". > > > > > > This arrangement is not difficult, with no extreme registers. > > > > > > It is dedicated to those who died on September 18. > > > > > > ***Celebrate diversity and freedom*** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2158 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 22:28:45 -0700 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: America the Beautiful trbn quartet Message-ID: <001b01c14195$1efcc8a0$7b525d3f@garymaxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Hector Bourg Jr." Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 11:34 PM Subject: Re: America the Beautiful trbn quartet > BTW... I downloaed the whole thing in less than 15 seconds...cable > modem...gotta LOVE it! :-) ====================================== Well neener, neener, neener. Grrrrrrr. Yeah, I'm impressed AND jealous. (:>)) Cheers, Gary "32K" Maxwell ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2158 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 01:58:00 -0500 From: "Hector Bourg Jr." To: "Bone List" Subject: Re: America the Beautiful trbn quartet Message-ID: <007201c141a1$993a00e0$c2533842@hn9nz49oeloz7b> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry Gary! I just got the cable modem a few weeks ago and I'm still in awe of its speed! I could probably have avoided the temptation to "crow" if I had had it longer! :-) hb ****************************************************** Hector "Butch" Bourg Jr. - Graphic and Web Design - Atlanta, GA Trombonist - Sentimental Journey Orchestra - http://www.thesjo.com ** NOW CELEBRATING TWENTY-FIVE SWINGIN' YEARS ** ******************************************************* PLEASE UPDATE your e-dress for me to: sackbutt@mediaone.net ******************************************************* ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:28 AM Subject: Re: America the Beautiful trbn quartet > > From: "Hector Bourg Jr." > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 11:34 PM > Subject: Re: America the Beautiful trbn quartet > > > > BTW... I downloaed the whole thing in less than 15 seconds...cable > > modem...gotta LOVE it! :-) > ====================================== > > Well neener, neener, neener. Grrrrrrr. > Yeah, I'm impressed AND jealous. > (:>)) > > Cheers, > Gary "32K" Maxwell > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2158 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 09:00:07 +0100 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: America the Beautiful trbn quartet Message-ID: <007501c141aa$e539c9e0$6608fd3e@kentondr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Hector Bourg Jr." > Sorry Gary! > > I just got the cable modem a few weeks ago and I'm still in awe of its > speed! I could probably have avoided the temptation to "crow" if I had had > it longer! :-) Cable modem? What have you guys been using till now, smoke signals? A. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2158 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 09:03:02 +0100 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Bisbigliando Message-ID: <007601c141aa$e92ef8e0$6608fd3e@kentondr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Bear Woodson" > Yes, I *DO* know the meaning of "Bisbigliando". > There are a few harpists out there, who want to hunt > me down and kill me, for my Bisbigliandi!!! (And, by > the way, trombones are not the ONLY instrument > that want to kill the composer for writing Trills; but > at least I knew better than to include them in my > harp music!) Well, it seems that I have been scoring bisbigliandi for many, many years, without ever having head of the word. Can't say I've ever been in trouble with harpists for doing this. Quite the reverse. I have always found they respect the composer who has taken the trouble to learn how their chosen instrument works. It would be impossible to write unison tremolos and most arpeggios without tuning adjacent strings to the same note. I have seen the music of many respected writers who Don't know the mechanics of the harp. Such things as the instruction "gliss" with no indication of what notes to play, or "gliss" with a chord symbol, or glissandi with only 4 or 5 notes scored per octave instead of the full 7. It would appear that many writers do not know that the harp can only play chromatically by using the pedals. A. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2158--