TROMBONE-L Digest 2127 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re:Martin Trombones by "Denver D. Seifried" 2) test by "Ben van Dijk" 3) Re:Martin Trombones by "Paul Kemp Jr" 4) Re:Martin Trombones & Paul Kemp by "Denver D. Seifried" 5) UWW Trombone List by "E. P. LUKAS" 6) King 607F valve by "Daniel Pliskin" 7) Re: King 607F valve by SFTrombone@aol.com 8) Re: King 607F valve by James Scott 9) soundsamples by "Ben van Dijk" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2127 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:17:44 -0400 From: "Denver D. Seifried" To: "trombone-l" Subject: Re:Martin Trombones Message-ID: <001101c124c3$81ae7000$3c077fd8@jay> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw Dave Steinmyer, formerly of the Airmen of Note, at the ITF several years ago, held at the University of Illinois, and he also was playing the Urbie Green Model Martin. If you have never heard Dave play, it is truly an awesome experience to hear him play a nice ballad. He has a most incredible high register! Denny Seifried Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Symphony & Dayton Jazz Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2127 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:11:39 +0200 From: "Ben van Dijk" To: "Trombone List" Subject: test Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C124DB.CCF91C00" Just a test message .Sorry I try again. Thanks, Ben van Dijk Bass trombone Rotterdam Philharmonic Orchestra Professor Rotterdam Conservatory http://www.basstrombone.nl mailto:ben@basstrombone.nl ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2127 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:55:57 -0400 From: "Paul Kemp Jr" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re:Martin Trombones Message-ID: <000d01c124d1$3bf596c0$ca7b4d0c@pauljr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Denny and list, Dave is an absolutely marvelous musician, and I have it on pretty good authority that he plays on a very light Martin (Todd Clontz in Baltimore has done a lot of work on Dave's horns in order to lighten them up) and he has other horns as well. When he made the Bone Voyage album, he played on a Bach 12, and he sounds absolutely fabulous, and he doesn't tip-toe around the horn either. Great air, great sound, and fundamentally incredible musician. I gave that CD to each of my students and the initial reaction was WOW!!! I've been having a lot of discussions with various musicians here in town, and regardless of genre or instrument, the formula for becoming great is the same. Talent has actually very little to do with it. It has much more to do with doing a lot of listening, doing a lot of conscientious, quality practice, and generally just paying your dues. People who have talent but no tenacity "go about as fer as they can go" very quickly, and they end up stagnating or withering away. I've seen this happen more times than I can count or care to remember. As you get older, you have to keep doing it just to be able to keep doing it. Teachers can help you to a point, but eventually you have to get to the point where you are able to teach yourself, and just as all children develop at a different rate, musicians also develop at different rates as well. Dave Steinmeyer is a prime example of someone who has paid some serious dues to be able to play on the high level that he plays on. It is much, much more than having an extraordinary upper register, even though he certainly has that. It is a total musical package. I can assure you that it just started after he won the Airmen of Note lead trombone chair back in the '60's. Unfortunately, this formula is not too popular in the society in which we live today. Enough of the sermon--but this is a response to those who comment of a musician being extraordinarily talented or gifted. I can accept a compliment as well as the next fellow, but I've actually heard people say " I'd give "ANYTHING" to be able to play like that". My normal response is " Oh really ? " or " No, you wouldn't." As a matter of fact, most of the musicians that I work with are NOT extraordinarily gifted, but have an incredible work ethic who have simply refused to accept "second best". Warm Regards, Paul Kemp Chattanooga Symphony www.trbnplyr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denver D. Seifried" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 9:17 AM Subject: Re:Martin Trombones > I saw Dave Steinmyer, formerly of the Airmen of Note, at the ITF several > years ago, held at the University of Illinois, and he also was playing the > Urbie Green Model Martin. If you have never heard Dave play, it is truly an > awesome experience to hear him play a nice ballad. He has a most incredible > high register! > > Denny Seifried > Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Symphony & Dayton Jazz Orchestra > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2127 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:25:35 -0400 From: "Denver D. Seifried" To: "trombone-l" Subject: Re:Martin Trombones & Paul Kemp Message-ID: <001901c124d5$5e7bf320$b5435acf@jay> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Paul and List, It is so sad that Dave's work on the trombone is not so readily available to the younger members on the list. If I am correct, much of his recorded work, of course, was done through the USAF and not really for public consumption. I have some trombone friends were lucky enough to also have worked as disc jocks for public radio stations and were able to get some of his things and play them on air. One of the recordings I was really just floored by, was, a recording of some Christmas songs and carols. It was probably some of the most beautiful trombone playing I have ever heard by anyone! Paul, your students are very lucky to be able to hear this great trombone player! Dave's life is also very inspiring as he was able to work through some life threatening problems with addiction and get his life in order, as he related to all of us in his clinic at the ITF at U. of Illinois. Dave was just like all of the other great trombone players at these festivals, he was just great to chat with, and was just a great person as well as an awesome trombone player. If you ever get a chance to hear Dave and speak with him, please do so. He is really one of the great, underrated, trombone players of all times. Denny Seifried ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2127 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:36:43 -0500 From: "E. P. LUKAS" To: Trombones and related issues forum Subject: UWW Trombone List Message-ID: <3B79458B.E904BBCA@bigfoot.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those trombonists not familiar with it, the University of Wisconsin Whitewater trombone studio, led by Steve Wiest, put together, in 1997, a list of the best jazz trombone CDs. They are working on a list of classical trombone CDs. Check this out: http://facstaff.uww.edu/wiests/TromboneZone/a_brief_listing_of_trombonists_a.htm -- Ernie Paul Lukas Trombonist, Publicist Bartlett Community Concert Band Memphis, TN ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2127 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 00:07:04 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: King 607F valve Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Well, I finally bought a trombone with an F-attachment; a King 607F. I started the bath going while I was opening the box. It was in pretty good shape, a pleasant surprise. Now hereâs the embarrassing part. How does one take the valve apart, to clean it all out? Thanks, in advance, DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2127 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 20:58:01 EDT From: SFTrombone@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: King 607F valve Message-ID: <47.f574e99.28ab2319@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_47.f574e99.28ab2319_boundary" Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en In a message dated 8/14/2001 5:08:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, daniel_pliskin@hotmail.com writes: Now hereÕs the embarrassing part. ÊHow does one take the valve apart, to clean it all out? Try this. ÊDisconnect the linkage from the valve spindle. ÊTake off the threaded valve cap. ÊUnscrew the center screw on the back of the spindle a few turns. ÊTap on the head of the screw screw with a small mallet or rawhide hammer until the pressed on cap on the other side comes off. ÊThen take it apart. To reassamble, put the rotor back in, press on the cap, carefully lining up the scored marks on the cap and valve casing. ÊTap it lightly around the edges with the small mallet, then screw on the threaded valve cap to seat it properly. ÊThen reattach the linkage parts on the back. Be careful, and polish it sparingly using only a mild polish, no Brasso. BTW, you may just be able to dump some water and valve oil down there to clean it sufficiently. ÊIf it moves fast, it works fine IMHO. Steve Ferguson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2127 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:34:26 -0600 From: James Scott To: daniel_pliskin@hotmail.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: King 607F valve Message-ID: <3B79FBD2.C124C8A1@ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dan, The Kleinhammer - "Art of Trombone Playing" has a description of how to take apart an f attachment , and how to put it back together including pictures. One more reason why that's a valuable book for every trombonist. Just watch out that he may use a string trigger mechanism for his example, and the King may be a mechanical linkage ( I can't remember off-hand whether that's right in either case), so you may have to adjust his instructions slightly. Just don't force anything. Enjoy your new horn! Jim Scott Daniel Pliskin wrote: > Well, I finally bought a trombone with an F-attachment; a King 607F. > > I started the bath going while I was opening the box. It was in pretty good > shape, a pleasant surprise. > > Now hereâs the embarrassing part. How does one take the valve apart, to > clean it all out? > > Thanks, in advance, > > DanP > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2127 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:35:09 +0200 From: "Ben van Dijk" To: "Trombone List" Subject: soundsamples Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear friends, For those interested in my solo CD "Nana", my son Mark, has made MP3 soundfiles of about 1 minute of all the tracks on the CD. I hope it will show you the various repertoir and styles on the CD. >From Baroque to Jazz with great players as Bart van Lier and Joe Alessi. Colleagues from the Rotterdam Philharmonic Orchestra, students from the Rotterdam Conservatory and the trombone section of the New York Philharmonic. You will hear Thein trumpets, tuba, alto-, tenor-, bass- and contra-bass trombones. For those interested in the contra, you should listen to the Bruckner Motets. We are working to get the MP3 files quicker for you but this will take some time. I hope the quality of the files gives you a good idea of the recordings. Any reaction or suggestion is more then welcome! This is the address: http://www.basstrombone.nl/default.asp?subj=nana&item=nana-samples All the best, Ben van Dijk Bass trombone Rotterdam Philharmonic Orchestra Professor Rotterdam Conservatory http://www.basstrombone.nl mailto:ben@basstrombone.nl ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2127--