TROMBONE-L Digest 2046 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Standing/sitting ovations by Dave Molter 2) Re: Standing/sitting ovations by Douglas Yeo 3) RE: Tone Deaf Beginners by richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL 4) RE: standing ovations by "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" 5) RE: Selecting Beginners by "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" 6) Re: Cell Phones/was ovations by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 7) Re: standing ovations by BassBonist@aol.com 8) Re: Standing/sitting ovations by "Paul D. Kemp Jr." 9) CELL PHONES by Steve Gamble 10) Re: CELL PHONES by Brian French 11) Re: Cell Phones/was ovations by Douglas Yeo 12) Re: CELL PHONES by BassBonist@aol.com 13) Re: Cell Phones Problems by "RaveWorks Network Admin" 14) Re: Cell Phones Problems by Earl Needham 15) Re: Selecting Beginners by Todd Jonz 16) Re: CELL PHONES by "Gary D. Maxwell" 17) Re: CELL PHONES by "Gary D. Maxwell" 18) Re: CELL PHONES by "Joe L. Norcross" 19) Re: CELL PHONES by "Gary D. Maxwell" 20) Bach 42BO for sale by andrew raymond joseph cormier 21) Re: CELL PHONES by "Dick Sleeman" 22) Job Vacancies: Web Site by Douglas Yeo ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2046 Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 08:30:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Molter To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Standing/sitting ovations Message-ID: <384743209.990621003845.JavaMail.root@web621-wrb.mail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Man, who would have thought such a subject would provoke controversy? It's a sign of our insecurity, methinks. We play. We look out into the audience. They are not standing. What are we to think? Being Americans, we have a mutiplicity of choices as to why: 1. Our performance stunk. 2. We played really really really well and the plebians failed to realize it. 3. Our performance was so overwhelming that the audience members have not the physical strength to combat gravity and lift themselves to the vertical position. 4. Our performance was just so-so, and no one can quite decide what to do. 5. The audience is composed entirely of Republicans too embarrassed to stand because they know Al Gore REALLY won. 6. The auditorium, ill-constructed by non-union labor, tilts away from the stage at such an angle that it is virtually imposible to pull oneself from one's seat. 7. The audience is composed entirely of Catholics who have grown tired of the constant up-and-down of the liturgy and are lodging a Mass protest against the Vatican. 8. The audience is composed entirely of the partially deaf whose hearing aids have been made inoperable by a burst of energy from a Commie satellite that just went over the concert hall. 9. The audience is composed entirely of Democratics waiting for a recount. 10. The planets are aligned -- or not aligned. Take your pick. Thus we see the choices -- like M.C. Hammer's pants --are voluminous. Having come out of the rock world where entire crowds at the Holiday Inn have often failed to realize that my band was in the same bar, I'm willing to let the audience do what it wants. If an audience has come to a concert and doesn't clap, I begin to think we have not played to its expectations. If they don't stand ... Dave Molter ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2046 Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 08:53:53 -0400 From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Standing/sitting ovations Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" This whole thread of "ovations" has perplexed me, and I know I'm not alone. It seems that something is being made out of very little. I've played thousands of concerts in my career - recitals, chamber music, orchestral, big band, concert band - you name it. Audiences all respond differently. Sometimes they sit on their hands when you know you just gave a great performance. Other times they leap to their feet screaming and applauding when you want to go out of the hall with a paper bag over your head. The fact is that the audience will respond the way they want. Music is like that. Sometimes they respond because they like the music. Sometimes they respond because they like the performance. Sometimes they respond because their kids are playing. Whatever the reason, I don't think that we performers have any reason - or right - to dictate the response. But please - let there be a response! I recall a discussion with Sam Burtis about a related issue some time ago. Today, you find very little in the way of SERIOUS reaction to live music. Apart from clapping and standing ovations, which often are perfunctory or done out of a sense of "obligation," you don't see much from an audience. But there was a time when music resulted in visceral reactions - booing, throwing things, heated arguments and discussion, music criticism which had something to say about the actual music and music making rather than having the critic show off his knowledge of musicological issues. Sometimes I wish an audience would just boo loudly - or yell themselves hoarse - or SOMETHING honest! But we don't get to control the audience's response. If they react at ALL, perhaps we should be grateful. And if it's an honest reaction - even if the listener "doesn't know a thing about music" - then all the better. I don't get annoyed any more when people clap between movements. Why care? If someone liked something and they clap, I'll accept it. If it "ruins the moment" then perhaps we need to get a grip on what's really important. If we want "perfectly controlled music making" then we can sit at home and listen to a CD, remote control in hand (in case you have to get up and go to the bathroom), Guinness nearby and your cat or dog at your feet. Bliss, perhaps. But live music is unpredictable. Things happen. It's not perfect - not the performance, not the audience behavior, not the temperature of the room, or the body odor of the person next to you. If you're a performer and the audience response doesn't please you, I wouldn't sweat it. If you're in the audience and you don't know what to do, just do what the music calls you to do. Clap, shout, holler, stand, sit on your hands, boo. But if the guy in the row ahead of you answers his cell phone during a performance, please, just strangle him. Thank you. :-) -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2046 Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:03:47 -0400 From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Tone Deaf Beginners Message-ID: <81F62454EA21B94EA95517180D7303733A70AE@lee-is-102.lee.army.mil> My brother in law wanted to play trombone in high school but couldn't because he was assessed as "tone-deaf." I think he settled for tuba. However, I hear him whistling all the time, and he whistles correct intervals and stays in key. I do not believe that could be possible if he were truly tone deaf, and I wonder how many other kids are similarly mis-diagnosed. -----Original Message----- From: Holst, Bill [mailto:wholst@coinfotech.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 4:36 PM To: 'artyart@bestweb.net' Cc: Trombones and related issues forum. (E-mail) Subject: RE: Tone Deaf Beginners Many years ago I directed a mixed-voice choir in an intra-fraternity singing competition. One of my fraternity brothers really wanted to sing. However, he had no sense of pitch (he was usually off by an augmented 4th) and no sense of time (he liked to dance but danced at a different tempo from the music). Needless to say, he was the only person who didn't pass his audition. I have never met another individual who had less musical aptitude. After the audition, he was initially disappointed, so I made him a "production and stage manager" for the competition. He really just wanted to hang out with the sorority women anyway! He was truly a case of a tone-deaf, no-musical-talent individual. He was, however, a high school state and college intramural wrestling champion, a brilliant student, and has gone on to a fine and influential career as a psychologist. His musical talents all fell butter-side down... Bill Holst www.hatq.org -----Original Message----- From: Art Triggs [mailto:artyart@bestweb.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:23 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Tone Deaf Beginners They might make a fine conductor................lol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnson, Scott (TBS)" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 12:07 PM Subject: Tone Deaf Beginners > Piano, marimba, some other sort of fixed pitch instrument possibly? > > Scott Johnson > Conyers, GA USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Pliskin [mailto:daniel_pliskin@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 11:05 AM > To: Trombones and related issues forum. > Subject: Re: Selecting Beginners > > > > So what do you do with a student that really wants to play an instrument but > seems to be tone deaf? > > DanP > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2046 Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 08:22:24 -0500 From: "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" To: "'sarapete@sympatico.ca'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: standing ovations Message-ID: <587F49FABBEDD411A68F00A0C9EA313B5FCA6E@DASMTHKHN561.AMEDD.ARMY.MIL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0E38B.67A6AE30" Can't say I know the Japanese culture well, but they are rumored to have a penchant for self-control, no hysteria.Ê American audiences? The optimist in me says they haven't experienced enough live performances and are overjoyed to hear any one. The cynic in me says this is an extension of the politically correct movement. Rick Marple San Antonio TX In Texas we stand for everything-- that's right in America :-). WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW (Political pundits note: The above is a JOKE!) -----Original Message----- From: Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur [mailto:sarapete@sympatico.ca] Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 5:30 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: standing ovations Sorry if this is a repeat, didn't seem to come through the first time. Hi List, I am finding this thread somewhat interesting. I am of the feeling that if the audience wishes to stand up at the end of the performance, feel free regardless of how I think I or we played. In the ensembles that I play in I feel that whenever we have received a standing O it has been deserved. Even if I feel that it hasn't been deserved (cheezy pops shows for example) at least the audience loved and I feel that they truly enjoyed it. I don't recall ever playing for an audience where the standing O was not genuine. On the other hand, I did a tour of Japan last year with Opera Atelier, a baroque opera company in Toronto. We played Don Giovanni for 3 weeks in 7 different cities for 14(?) performances (sort of lost track after 3). An interesting cultural note about the tour is that not once did we receive a standing ovation. Audiences applauded warmly and exuberantly but never a standing O. At one performance there was a women in front row center that was so excited at the end of one of the performances she was the only one standing, she finally turned around and tried to get everyone else to stand up for an ovation but to no avail. I understand this may be a cultural thing (very reserved, no strong outer displays of emotion etc.) but could anyone shed any more light on this. The audience was genuine in their applause and demanded curtain call after curtain call so I can't believe they weren't that enamoured with it. Any ideas? Peter Collins Bass Trombone Hamilton Philharmonic Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2046 Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 08:50:16 -0500 From: "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" To: "'daniel_pliskin@hotmail.com'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." , Subject: RE: Selecting Beginners Message-ID: <587F49FABBEDD411A68F00A0C9EA313B5FCA71@DASMTHKHN561.AMEDD.ARMY.MIL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0E38F.4C1050A0" Message to older learners: I agree with DanP. I am re-studying the trombone. I'm not sure I really played it in my youth, I remember holding one for a while..., I mean with a once a month lesson I've come a long way. It's like playing a new instrument. My regret for giving it up is gone.Ê What is so gratifying for me is at nearly 50, with a little time I can learn new techniques and see improvement. All I had to do is commit myself to the goal (that is the hardest part). David, give it a try, and find a group you want to play with. Rick Marple San Antonio TXÊ -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Pliskin [mailto:daniel_pliskin@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:19 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: RE: Selecting Beginners >I still to this day regret not being able to learn cello David, I started playing trombone at age 50. It's very different learning an instrument when you already know what it takes to learn an instrument.Ê Scales and exercises become a triumph, not an ordeal and you're not dying to finish practicing, so that you can go out and play baseball. What I did with oboe, 30 years ago, was to buy one. That way there's less of an excuse for giving up. You can't just say, "Well, it sounds horrible and it's costing me $25.00 a month." Find a teacher that's willing to give you a lesson once a month. That way you won't have to practice every night, if you've got something else planned. And be prepared to give it quantity time. Quality time is great but nothing replaces hours and hours of practicing. Do scales while watching TV, reading the paper...whenever you can. Being a nerd is in this week. Become a music nerd. It's not too late to learn cello. I, for one, expect to learn at least two more instruments, bass clarinet and string bass. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2046 Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 10:00:19 EDT From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: yeo@yeodoug.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Cell Phones/was ovations Message-ID: <92.151688a8.283d1c73@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cell Phones. Perhaps the audience should be instructed. " There will be five minutes of silence so you may shut off your cell phones. The PA system is so sensitive that it may broadcast any messages you send or receive on your phones." Like (poor English) do you want your wife to hear that your mistress wants you to bring eggs tomorrow night. beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2046 Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:42:32 EDT From: BassBonist@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: standing ovations Message-ID: <55.15e94478.283d3468@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_55.15e94478.283d3468_boundary" slide.rule@adios.co.uk writes: I feel very uncomfortable when I have heard something I have enjoyed, but am not allowed to show any appreciation until long after a particularly exciting part of the programme has long been played and probably forgotten by the clean shaven, stuffed shirt minority. This whole concert etiquette thing bugs me, too. In Mozart's' day, if the audience applauded enthusiastically between movements of his symphonies, he didn't shush them, he was elated because he knew he had a "hit" on his hands! Matt Varho ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2046 Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:59:44 -0400 From: "Paul D. Kemp Jr." To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Standing/sitting ovations Message-ID: <003301c0e3a1$6386eac0$c7c1b23f@pauljr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >But if the guy in the row ahead of you answers his cell phone during > a performance, please, just strangle him. Thank you. > > :-) > > -Doug Yeo A hearty amen to that one. I went to the recital/lecture that Charlie Vernon gave at the ITF in Nashville on Monday morning. As fate would have it, someone's cell phone rang during the performance. I know that leaving the thing on can be an oversight, but with most cell phones for just a couple of bucks, you can have call waiting, or voice mail. My initial reaction when I heard the thing ring was "Turn that d*** thing OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" We've even had a guy in our brass band rehearsals have his cell phone ring right in the middle of rehearsal, and in my honest opinion, there is nothing more rude than to have this happen. (Incidentally, the conductor asked him to turn the phone off during rehearsals publicly.) Same thing for pagers. Most pagers now have a vibrating mode when it goes off, and I think that it's only common courtesy to utilize these features. Yes, I've had my pager go off during rehearsals, and I was embarrased. When you're at a performance as a spectator, the performers deserves your undivided attention. If he doesn't, then don't go. I understand it when a doctor is at a concert and he gets a page from the hospital, but with the pager on vibrating mode, he can look at the number, and decide whether or not he wants to return the call, and then quietly and discreetly leave the perfromance and return the call. No matter if you're in a professional group or an amateur group--when you're there, give your colleagues your undivided attention. That page or call that you missed will be there after rehearsal or during the break. If the people trying to get in contact with you can't understand that one, you might want to reconsider whether or not you want to do business with them. These modern devices are wonderful things, but not during musical occurences. Paul Kemp Chattanooga Symphony www.trbnplyr.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2046 Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 10:04:55 -0700 From: Steve Gamble To: "Trombone List (E-mail)" Subject: CELL PHONES Message-ID: <01C0E36F.D246BC60.orchpers@azstarnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Ever'body, The follow was excerpted from recent ASOL E-news: In Monday's Cleveland Plain Dealer (5/21), Donald Rosenberg writes that "audience members, to put it mildly, are fed up with cell phones and their electronic peers, which are making life miserable in the concert hall, not to mention many other places where courtesy seems to have jumped out the window." Readers have "offered a healthy number of responses" to recent articles about the problem, criticizing "people who have this adolescent need for attention" and suggesting the confiscation of phones and the eviction of inconsiderate patrons. One went so far as to suggest this scenario: "The very moment a cell phone rings, the orchestra stops playing and exits the stage. The ushers are trained to swoop down on the offender and escort the person to a spotlighted area on the now-vacant stage. . . The audience is encouraged to vent their feelings by booing, screaming or yelling, 'JERRY, JERRY!!'" Steve Gamble, Librarian Tucson Symphony Orchestra 2175 N. 6th Ave. Tucson, AZ 85705 (520) 792-9155 x118 (520) 792-9314 fax orchpers@azstarnet.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2046 Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:12:58 -0400 From: Brian French Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: CELL PHONES Message-ID: <3B0C0BBA.7030409@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Audience members, nuthin'! In a show a couple of months ago, one of our VIOLISTS had a cell phone go off in the middle of a very quiet passage, the conductor stopped, asked the player to leave the stage, and we haven't seen or heard from her since! --brian Steve Gamble wrote: Hey Ever'body, The follow was excerpted from recent ASOL E-news: In Monday's Cleveland Plain Dealer (5/21), Donald Rosenberg writes that "audience members, to put it mildly, are fed up with cell phones and their electronic peers, which are making life miserable in the concert hall, not to mention many other places where courtesy seems to have jumped out the window." Readers have "offered a healthy number of responses" to recent articles about the problem, criticizing "people who have this adolescent need for attention" and suggesting the confiscation of phones and the eviction of inconsiderate patrons. One went so far as to suggest this scenario: "The very moment a cell phone rings, the orchestra stops playing and exits the stage. The ushers are trained to swoop down on the offender and escort the person to a spotlighted area on the now-vacant stage. . . The audience is encouraged to vent their feelings by booing, screaming or yelling, 'JERRY, JERRY!!'" Steve Gamble, Librarian Tucson Symphony Orchestra 2175 N. 6th Ave. Tucson, AZ 85705 (520) 792-9155 x118 (520) 792-9314 fax orchpers@azstarnet.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2046 Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:47:59 -0400 From: Douglas Yeo To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Cell Phones/was ovations Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 10:00 AM -0400 5/23/01, BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com wrote: Cell Phones. Perhaps the audience should be instructed. " There will be five minutes of silence so you may shut off your cell phones. The PA system is so sensitive that it may broadcast any messages you send or receive on your phones." Would that shame would be enough.... This season, Carnegie Hall has taken to projecting a message on the wall behind the stage 15 minutes before concerts which says something like, "Please turn off your cellphones and other electronic devices. Thank you." The message is turned off 1 minute before the concert begins. It is tacky, but sadly necessary. We have begun doing the same thing in Symphony Hall in Boston and we have noticed a pronounced decrease in cell phone "violations" during concerts. -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2046 Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:28:48 EDT From: BassBonist@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: CELL PHONES Message-ID: <18.d3c4cc0.283d8590@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_18.d3c4cc0.283d8590_boundary" orchpers@azstarnet.com writes: "The very moment a cell phone rings, the orchestra stops playing and exits the stage. The ushers are trained to swoop down on the offender and escort the person to a spotlighted area on the now-vacant stage. . ." ÊÊ Doug Yeo wrote: << This season, Carnegie Hall has taken to projecting a message on the wall behind the stage 15 minutes before concerts which says something like, "Please turn off your cellphones and other electronic devices. Thank you." The message is turned off 1 minute before the concert begins. It is tacky, but sadly necessary. We have begun doing the same thing in Symphony Hall in Boston and we have noticed a pronounced decrease in cell phone "violations" during concerts.>> My solution: pagers and cell phones must be turned off and checked at the door only to be picked up AFTER the performance is over. Pretty soon folks would stop bothering to even bring them! Matt Varho ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2046 Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:52:08 -0700 From: "RaveWorks Network Admin" To: Subject: Re: Cell Phones Problems Message-ID: <004d01c0e3db$01a97680$ad88a3d0@ccomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit About the cell phone issue. I recently read an article about halls and auditoriums in Japan, where orchestras were constantly being interupted by cell phones, pagers, etc. Some of the places have even had 'cell phone jammers' turned on to solve the problem, and I believe a few in the United States have them as well. Some places do not take advantage of this however, because of the possibility of an emergency call. But, in one auditorium, they have attendants wearing huge signs warning them out of courtesy to turn off or disable them. - christine RaveWorks Network: http://www.rave-works.com --- Ramblin' n' Rantin' --- AIM: TigerComic; ICQ: 13008048 ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2046 Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:20:40 -0600 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Cell Phones Problems Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010523171825.00a6ad80@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:52 PM 5/23/01 -0700, RaveWorks Network Admin blasted the following out into the ether: About the cell phone issue. I recently read an article about halls and auditoriums in Japan, where orchestras were constantly being interupted by cell phones, pagers, etc. Some of the places have even had 'cell phone jammers' turned on to solve the problem, and I believe a few in the United States have them as well. Better not -- "malicious interference" is a big thing to the FCC here in the United States. Not that I believe the cell phones should be allowed to interrupt a concert. I personally believe that any cell phone making disturbing noise during a concert should be crushed. I'll even provide the foot to do it with. But "malicious interference" is "malicious interference", no matter who it's directed at. Earl ********************************************************* Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:needhame@yucca.net (or mailto:kd5xb@amsat.org which is really mailto:kd5xb@[128.54.16.15] ) Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446m W103d 12.700m (or so) NEW Pet peeve: People who get themselves on a mailing list and then can't figure out how to get OFF the list. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2046 Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:40:57 -0700 From: Todd Jonz To: Trombone-L mailing list Subject: Re: Selecting Beginners Message-ID: <20010523184057.A6701@tj.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Paul Kemp writes: > I believe that all students should be encouraged to study > music to some degree, whether it be singing, piano, band, > orchestra, or whatever. I wholeheartedly agree. Although I was determined to play the trombone from the age of five (the result of a community band performance of "Seventy-six Trombones"), I began my own study of music by learning to play the "whatever." Back in the good old days, when public school systems still believed that music education was important, the small rural town of Paris, Kentucky required all students to learn to play the tonette, a black plastic recorder-like instrument. (Anybody else remember these? Are they still around?) Twice a week my fourth grade class was marched en masse to the "music room", an ordinary classroom equipped with a piano, where together we made some of the most egregious noise ever generated in the guise of music. Although I played it pretty well, I really hated the tonette, and I never missed an opportunity to whine to the music teacher that what I *really* wanted to play was the trombone. Within a matter of months I was allowed to give it a try under the tutelage of the high school band director (bless you, Cap'n Tom, wherever you are), who came to the elementary school twice a week to give individual instruction to a limited number of promising students. By the end of the school year I was allowed to play with the high school band. (Only in a small town!) Students were required to buy their own tonettes as well as the music book from which we played, at a cost of less than five 1960-something dollars. Apart from the undoubtedly inadequate salary of the part-time music teacher, a well respected local piano teacher, this program didn't cost the school district one red cent. Were it not for this program and the fact that it apparently uncovered in me some modicum of musical aptitude, I wonder if I would ever have learned to play a "real" instrument. Are there any creative programs like this one out there today that strive to bring music education to *all* kids, despite budget cuts that inevitably hit arts programs first? -- Todd Jonz When cryptography is outlawed, todd@tj.org bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2046 Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 19:17:45 -0700 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: CELL PHONES Message-ID: <001c01c0e3f7$b9140c60$01525d3f@garymaxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C0E3BD.0BBAF5E0" My solution: pagers and cell phones must be turned off and checked at the door only to be picked up AFTER the performance is over. Pretty soon folks would stop bothering to even bring them! Matt Varho +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I agree whole heartedly. Kinda rings of old Dodge City, or Tombstone. Ya'll come to my town and carouse, but check yer far arms at the door. (:>)) We like to inform the audience that, in order to assure an uninterrupted performance, all members of the company and musicians, have agreed to turn off 'our' electronic devices for the next couple of hours. Usually brings slightly nervous laughter followed by applause, and even a standing ovation. Well, not really, but I got my .02 into all predominating threads. (:>)) All the best, Gary Maxwell Bass Trombone Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2046 Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 19:21:53 -0700 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: CELL PHONES Message-ID: <003201c0e3f8$4cf51aa0$01525d3f@garymaxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian Wrote: > Audience members, nuthin'! In a show a couple of months ago, one of our > VIOLISTS had a cell phone go off in the middle of a very quiet passage, > the conductor stopped, asked the player to leave the stage, and we > haven't seen or heard from her since! ======================================================= Oh, the VIOLIST jokes that are possible from this statement. Thinkaboutit. (:>)) Gary Maxwell ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2046 Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 20:01:15 -0700 From: "Joe L. Norcross" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: CELL PHONES Message-ID: <009001c0e3fd$cddfc840$4b37a5d1@computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was at a county honor band concert where a guys beeper went off three times. each time he crawled over several people to go make a phone call. Death would have been to good Joe L. Norcross Tuba: Visalia CA Sequoia Winds, Visalia Brass Band Tuba and Announcer: Kingsburg City Band joetuba@lightspeed.net ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2046 Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 21:30:00 -0700 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: CELL PHONES Message-ID: <000801c0e40a$3305d500$78525d3f@garymaxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Joe L. Norcross" Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:01 PM Subject: Re: CELL PHONES > I was at a county honor band concert where a guys beeper went off three > times. each time he crawled over several people to go make a phone call. > Death would have been to good ========================================================= I'd loved to have been the guy he crawled over. He may have made it once, but ther wouldn't have been much more crawling left for him on his second attempt. Gary Maxwell ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2046 Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 22:52:47 -0700 (PDT) From: andrew raymond joseph cormier To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Bach 42BO for sale Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Fellow List Members, I would like everyone to know that I have just posted a really nice Tenor Trombone on eBay. I am selling my Bach 42BO Stradivarius Trombone. Here's an abbreviated description of the instrument that I ask you to please pass on to anyone else who may be interested: The trombone is quite new, I bought it only 5 years ago, and is in excellent playing condition. Tenor trombone - .547" large bore design with an 8-1/2" yellow brass bell. The F trigger is with open wrap, and I've had the Clontz linkage added that makes the trigger very smooth and extra quiet. The instrument comes with its Bach Hardshell case. On the eBay site is a more detailed description along with a picture. The item number is 1433408352 and the web address is http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1433408352 The auction closes this Monday evening, May 28th. And if anyone has any questions feel free to email me. Cheers, Andrew Cormier University of British Columbia andrewrj@interchange.ubc.ca ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2046 Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 09:07:13 +0200 From: "Dick Sleeman" To: "Trombones and related issues forum" Subject: Re: CELL PHONES Message-ID: <003401c0e420$48e61ae0$cd22fb3e@dick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Some time ago, in a Dutch newspaper, was a cartoon in which an orchestra is depicted. The conductor tries to get their attention by tapping his music stand, but to no avail, because they ALL are talking into their cellphones.... Groeten uit Holland, Dick Sleeman. P.S. If you should like to see the picture, address me personaly: ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2046 Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 07:26:16 -0400 From: Douglas Yeo To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Job Vacancies: Web Site Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I've just learned of a website which advertises job vacancies for orchestral instruments, mostly in Europe. Go to: http://www.musicalchairs.eu.com/ It also appears to have links to many orchestra websites, instruments for sale, etc. -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2046--