TROMBONE-L Digest 1976 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: ask your teacher? (rhetorical question) by "Jeff Albert" 2) OTJ Classifieds Updated 3/12/2001, 7:40 AM CDT by Chris Waage 3) Re: wisdom teeth removal by Chris Lee 4) RE: Tombone stand horror stories by "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> 5) RE: Robert Sanders by "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> 6) Re: Walt Johnson Cases by lewismm@songs.sce.com 7) Re: Walt Johnson Cases by TonyC789@aol.com 8) Four of a Kind by "Thomas Smee" 9) Re: ask your teacher? (rhetorical question) by Gabriel Langfur 10) Re: Four of a Kind by Gabriel Langfur 11) Re: Walt Johnson Cases by Beth Lewis 12) Re: Four of a Kind by "Thomas Smee" 13) Re: ask your teacher? (rhetorical question) by Tuckertbn@aol.com 14) Re: Trombone stand horror stories - variation/near miss by "Rod Ellard" 15) LOS ANGELES PHILHARMONIC MUSICIANS AT SYMPHONY CENTER by "Brian Frederiksen" 16) Atlanta Symphony Principal Trombone Audition by "Paul D. Kemp Jr." 17) Re: Trombone stand horror stories - variation/near miss by "Gary D. Maxwell" 18) Re: Atlanta Symphony Principal Trombone Audition by Weston Sprott 19) Re: Atlanta Symphony Principal Trombone Audition by "Aaron Roth" 20) RE: Atlanta Symphony Principal Trombone Audition by "Andrew Elms" 21) Re: Atlanta Symphony Principal Trombone Audition by "Dale Cruse" 22) RE: Walt Johnson Cases by "Daniel Sniderman" 23) ETW by John Lavoie 24) Re: ETW by sabutin 25) Yet another trombone case thread by "Daniel Pliskin" 26) location of Richard Byrd by "Lisa & Patrick Bates" 27) Re: ETW by "Chuck De Paolo" 28) Re: ETW by "John McVey" 29) Houston by Randy Campora 30) Re: Houston by Weston Sprott 31) Re: ask your teacher? (rhetorical question) by David Burch 32) Re: Atlanta Symphony Principal Trombone Audition by "Aaron Roth" 33) Re: Atlanta Symphony Principal Trombone Audition by BassBonist@aol.com 34) RE: ETW by jfrye 35) Trombonist survey by Candice & Eric Swanson 36) Re: ETW by Neobopr@aol.com 37) Re: Atlanta Symphony , Houston Symphony by "Rod Ellard" 38) Re: teacher? by "Lisa & Patrick Bates" 39) Same Part, Same Position? by "Richard Zemry Johnson" 40) Re: Atlanta Symphony Principal Trombone Audition by "Paul D. Kemp Jr." 41) Re: Trombone stand horror stories - variation/near miss by Earl Needham 42) Re: Trombone stand horror stories - variation/near miss by "Richard Zemry Johnson" 43) Re: Atlanta Symphony Principal Trombone Audition by "Aaron Roth" 44) Marine Band Audition Results by "Ted Toulouse" 45) Re: Trombone stand horror stories by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Marius_Helg=E5?= 46) two bass trombones for sale by chardy@totcon.com 47) Re: Same Part, Same Position? by "Adrian Drover" 48) Re: Trombone stand horror stories - variation/near miss by "Adrian Drover" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 07:52:45 -0600 From: "Jeff Albert" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: ask your teacher? (rhetorical question) Message-ID: <001401c0aafb$b80ac280$24db1542@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My first band director was a flutist. She taught me from 5th through 8th grade, and was a great teacher. Looking back on it, I'm not sure what she knew about trombone. I do remember asking her a mouthpiece question in the 6th grade, and she didn't know the answer, so she called the trombone professor at the local University. She pointed me towards private lessons early on, which started out as just a few lessons before honor band auditions, but fortunately became regular study by the time I was in high school. I don't know if that answers the question, but it was my experience with an educator that is principally a woodwind player. Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 2:50 AM Subject: ask your teacher? (rhetorical question) > What I really meant was: How many beginning trombonists are set (and will > stay) on the wrong path by well-meaning "clarinet players" that took a six > week course on ALL the brass instruments in college. Or conversly, clarinet > players that are set on the wrong path by well-meaning "trombone players" > that took a six week course on all the reed instruments. > > I would venture to say that a vast majority of beginners do not have the > luxury of a "knowledgable", "qualified" teacher for the instrument they are > learning. > > Charlie > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:24:04 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: OTJ Classifieds Updated 3/12/2001, 7:40 AM CDT Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" The Online Trombone Journal Classifieds (http://www.trombone.org/classifieds) have been updated as of 7:40 a.m. CST on March 12, 2001 with twenty-one new ads. OTJ Instrument Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/instruments.asp OTJ Accessory Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/accessories.asp OTJ Music Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/music.asp OTJ Classifieds Frequently Asked Questions http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/faq.asp To place an ad: http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/adform.asp If you have any questions or comments about the Online Trombone Journal Classifieds, please contact me at chris@trombone.org. Also, don't forget to check out our most recent site addition, the Trombone-L Digest archive at http://www.trombone.org/trombone-l Chris -- ________________________________________________ Chris Waage chris@trombone.org Associate Webmaster The Online Trombone Journal http://www.trombone.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:05:12 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Lee To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: wisdom teeth removal Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey list, Well I login again a couple days later and my inbox is stuffed with new mail. Thanks for all the advice! Tomorrow's the big day, so maybe a day or two after that, I'll give a buzz on the mouthpiece (it's spring break and I didn't bring my whole horn home back, since I expected some downtime). If it hurts, I'll just wait till next week when I'm back at college with my horn before I try again. Fortunately, I don't have any big things to play; probably will just miss a rehearsal or two. Thanks again! -Chris ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:08:03 -0600 From: "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Tombone stand horror stories Message-ID: <5001B9A54416D51180E200B0D079086310F759@COCONUT> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I have been wondering how long it would take for someone to change this subject to include the correct spelling of "trombone". Now, someone has changed the subject line to send the thread off on another direction--and failed correct the spelling! I hope no one ever looks for any of this in the archives, because they'll never find it if they spell the subject heading correctly! ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ David Guion, Cataloger John Marshall Law School 315 S. Plymouth Ct. Chicago, IL 60604 Voice: (312) 427-2737 x 552 Fax; (312) 427-8307 8guion@jmls.edu Should part-time band directors be called semi-conductors? ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:28:40 -0600 From: "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> To: "Trombones and related issues forum." , "'bhowland@islandnet.com'" Subject: RE: Robert Sanders Message-ID: <5001B9A54416D51180E200B0D079086310F75A@COCONUT> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Brad Howland wrote, > I'm looking for some biographical information on Robert Sanders, composer > of > the Sonata in Eb for trombone and piano. My Internet searches keep > pointing > me to Robert Sanders, bass trombonist in the Pacific Symphony Orchestra, > but > I don't think it's the same person... > No, it's not. There is a biography of the correct Robert Sanders in The New Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians (1980 ed.). There is probably a more extensive one in The New Grove Dictionary of American Music. I haven't looked in the new edition of the New Grove. (Ugh! They just should have called the new Grove the 6th edition. The latest would be the 7th instead of the New New Grove!) Doug Yeo just started a thread of little known trombone solos, meaning solos written for trombone and brass band that are not well known out of the brass band tradition. Brad gives me the opportunity to plead for a different kind of little known solo: solos that used to be played a lot but aren't any more. As far as I'm concerned, the Sanders is a real gem that deserves to be played much more than it is. It is a better piece than lots of stuff that gets played more. ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ David Guion, Cataloger John Marshall Law School 315 S. Plymouth Ct. Chicago, IL 60604 Voice: (312) 427-2737 x 552 Fax; (312) 427-8307 8guion@jmls.edu Should part-time band directors be called semi-conductors? ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ > ---------- > From: Brad Howland[SMTP:bhowland@islandnet.com] > Reply To: bhowland@islandnet.com > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 11:09 PM > To: Trombones and related issues forum. > Subject: Robert Sanders > > Hi List, > > > Regards, > Brad Howland > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Trombone, Web Design, Income Tax, Brass Music > "Specialization is for insects." ...Robert Heinlein > E Mail: bradhowland@netzero.net or bhowland@islandnet.com > Web Site: http://www.musicforbrass.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:43:42 -0800 From: lewismm@songs.sce.com To: bmroberts@iquest.net Cc: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Walt Johnson Cases Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bart, I offer one caution: The Walt Johnson tenor trombone case interior does not properly protect a Shires 0.525" straight tenor with 8.5" bell. Slide rubs bell because the interior 'template' is too small. I took my new case and new horn to the Johnson shop some months ago for modifications to resolve the problem, and was disappointed. Three laborers in a dingy garage banging and clanging. "Modification" turned out to be some crudely hacked up purple velour glued to the offending area. Other repair to metal valance material was made with a big hammer and little finesse. For the > $300 investment, I have trouble recommending this case. Mark Lewis Oceanside, CA. "Bart Roberts" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent by: owner-trombone-l@lists.mi cc: ssouri.edu Subject: Walt Johnson Cases 03/11/01 02:37 PM Please respond to bmroberts Dear List, I realize that this topic has come up in the past but I am curious again. Can anyone give me any of their opinions and comments about Walt Johnson Cases. Thanks Bart Roberts ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:46:36 EST From: TonyC789@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Walt Johnson Cases Message-ID: <15.10fa01bb.27de576c@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there a web site for Johnson? Thanks. Tony Clements ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:46:47 -0500 From: "Thomas Smee" To: Subject: Four of a Kind Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I took a little mini vacation yesterday and went to the Four of a Kind concert in Bryn Athyn, PA. They played: Achieved - Haydn/Miller Fugue in d minor - Bach/Beaudry Sonata a 4 - Boismortier/Horch Kindersteucke - Mendelssohn/Lenthe The Girl With the Flaxen Hair - Debussy/Hartman Quatre Pieces - Defaye ====intermission==== Overture to Barber of Seville - Rossini/Rahbee Chaconne - Bach/Brahms/Brink Five Impromptus - Koetsier God Bless the Child - Holliday/Elkjer Its Only a Paper Moon - Arlen/Elkjer Encore: Take Me Out To the Ball Game ===================== Needless to say, it was stunning. Rather than bore you with the 'usual' superlatives, all of which applied in spades, I'll just mention one thing: their ability to change tone colour/size as the style dictated and especially when altos were used. That really made the concert work, I thought, for the listeners, and avoided the problem often encountered at trombone ensemble concerts: sameness of texture, which pretty soon gets boring even for die hard trombone enthusiasts. The Kindersteucke was the high point for me: it was played with a subtlety of ensemble and musicality that you only typically hear from string quartets who have played together all the time for years. I understand they are recording a lot of this repertoire this week, so you can look for a CD some time soon. Note to list member Phil Brink: Your arrangement of the Bach/Brahms Chaconne sounded great! I wish you had been there to hear it. I haven't encountered it, as you know, since you and I were in Calgary in the '70s, and I was struck by how natural it sounds on trombones. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:05:29 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: ask your teacher? (rhetorical question) Message-ID: <20010312170529.69288.qmail@web10313.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I would venture to say that a vast majority of beginners do not > have the > > luxury of a "knowledgable", "qualified" teacher for the instrument > they > are > > learning. I would argue that one of the fundamental problems with most public school music programs is that they start kids too early on a particular instrument anyway. I've tried to teach sixth graders who made a pretty good sound on the trombone but had no idea how a time signature worked, or what different note values were. Names of notes were foggy at best. It wasn't fun for me or them to put down the trombone for three weeks to re-learn the basics of music notation that they should have covered without the distraction of a trombone in their hands. Let's face it, playing the trombone is not THAT hard a task when you get right down to it. And it's A LOT easier with a clear understanding of musical notation and a little ear training. There are a lot more fun and satisfying things young kids can do with music than hack through elementary band arrangements, learning valuable fundamentals of what makes music work along the way. If I ran the world (ha-ha) ALL kids in public schools would know how to read music, play elementary percussion instruments and a little bit of piano, and sing at sight BEFORE they ever picked up a trombone - or a violin, or any other ensemble instrument. They would also draw, paint, sculpt, read books, do science experiments, etc. etc. etc. All of these things stretch a child's mind and ready it for all the information it needs. Oh, and teachers would make at least twice as much money as they do now. At the risk of getting too political, I think the debates about standards in public schools would nearly go away if teachers made as much money as they were worth. Our world is driven by money much more than by ideals, so the way to attract good teachers is to pay them good salaries. I guess I should stop now, or go to another list. Montessori Kid Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:10:15 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Four of a Kind Message-ID: <20010312171015.9627.qmail@web10307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Thomas Smee wrote: > Needless to say, it was stunning. Rather than bore you with the > 'usual' superlatives, all of which applied in spades, I'll just > mention one thing: their ability to change tone colour/size as the > style dictated and especially when altos were used. I'm curious, what did Blair Bollinger do when the altos were on? Did he change around equipment, or did he simply change color? He's got such a wide sound normally (at least on his CD and the one time I heard him in a masterclass), I wonder what his strategy was. Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:16:11 -0500 (EST) From: Beth Lewis To: lewismm@songs.sce.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Walt Johnson Cases Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Bart, Sorry to hear of your experience. I'm no expert with this line of cases, but I do know that he has at least three differently sized "shells" to use for cases. If you had the case made specifically for this horn, then they should correct their error by making you another case (with a larger template/shell) which won't put your horn in danger. If it was made for another instrument, then obviously their means were limited. The best thing to do then would probably be to sell this case and use the proceeds to buy a new case that actually fits your horn. Beth Lewis On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 lewismm@songs.sce.com wrote: > > Bart, > > I offer one caution: The Walt Johnson tenor trombone case interior does > not properly protect a Shires 0.525" straight tenor with 8.5" bell. Slide > rubs bell because the interior 'template' is too small. > > I took my new case and new horn to the Johnson shop some months ago for > modifications to resolve the problem, and was disappointed. Three laborers > in a dingy garage banging and clanging. "Modification" turned out to be > some crudely hacked up purple velour glued to the offending area. Other > repair to metal valance material was made with a big hammer and little > finesse. > > For the > $300 investment, I have trouble recommending this case. > > Mark Lewis > Oceanside, CA. > > > > > "Bart Roberts" > To: "Trombones and related issues forum." > Sent by: > owner-trombone-l@lists.mi cc: > ssouri.edu Subject: Walt Johnson Cases > > > 03/11/01 02:37 PM > Please respond to > bmroberts > > > > > > Dear List, > > I realize that this topic has come up in the past but I am curious again. > > Can anyone give me any of their opinions and comments about Walt Johnson > Cases. > > Thanks > > Bart Roberts > > > > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:20:52 -0500 From: "Thomas Smee" To: Subject: Re: Four of a Kind Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I don't think he changed equipment at all, but it sounded very different: more compact sound, lighter articulation in the Boismortier. Thats why it was quite a contrast after the Bach fugue, which was a huge sound. >>> Gabriel Langfur 03/12/01 12:10pm >>> --- Thomas Smee wrote: > Needless to say, it was stunning. Rather than bore you with the > 'usual' superlatives, all of which applied in spades, I'll just > mention one thing: their ability to change tone colour/size as the > style dictated and especially when altos were used. I'm curious, what did Blair Bollinger do when the altos were on? Did he change around equipment, or did he simply change color? He's got such a wide sound normally (at least on his CD and the one time I heard him in a masterclass), I wonder what his strategy was. Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:21:50 EST From: Tuckertbn@aol.com To: TROMBONE-L@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: ask your teacher? (rhetorical question) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_aa.124bb4cd.27de5fae_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline The best teachers know when they don't know the answer, and are willing to help the student find it. ÊNobody out there has all the answers (no matter how much some will tell you they do). ÊOften, a teacher's worth can be measured not in how much knowledge they have at their at their fingertips, but by the effort they put into finding the right answer (or helping the student find the right answer for himself). ÊA caring teacher is often far better than a knowledgeable one. ÊOf course, if you can find both in one person, you're money. Craig Tucker ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:29:31 -0800 From: "Rod Ellard" To: <8guion@jmls.edu>, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Trombone stand horror stories - variation/near miss Message-ID: <001b01c0ab1a$14108420$527bfea9@Ellard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good morning everyone. Saturday night near miss: Big band gig, trumpets on risers behind me. Big crash as trumpet player knocks stand over, off the riser, down onto our riser, between my chair and the third's chair (to my left as I'm sitting, waiting to get started). Luckily, third still getting his horn out of his case. More luck: if stand had fallen on my right side, it would have taken out my horn which was sitting on its trombone stand. Rod ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:45:09 -0600 From: "Brian Frederiksen" To: , "Trombone List" Subject: LOS ANGELES PHILHARMONIC MUSICIANS AT SYMPHONY CENTER Message-ID: <004301c0ab1c$52811880$01575aa6@hp500> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been asked to post this Here is the press release from the CSO - there are updates from the initial announcement! CALENDAR OF EVENTS Monday, March 19, 6:00pm Jeffrey Reynolds, Bass Trombone Green Room, Symphony Center Lecture for All Musicians "Smart Playing" - What Smart Musicians Do and What Dumb Ones Don't Tuesday, March 20, 1:30pm Norman Pearson, Tuba Grainger Ballroom, Symphony Center Lecture/Demonstration Attaining the skills necessary to become a successful orchestral player and freelance recording artist in the competitive world of Hollywood Tuesday, March 20, 3:00pm Jeffrey Reynolds, Bass Trombone Grainger Ballroom Lecture/Demonstration for Brass Players Becoming a Successful Musician **Bring Your Instrument!!** These free events are open to the public and are part of the Civic Orchestra of Chicago's commitment to music appreciation and education at all levels. LECTURE-PERFORMANCES GIVEN BY LOS ANGELES PHILHARMONIC MUSICIANS AT SYMPHONY CENTER FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC The Civic Orchestra of Chicago is pleased to host clinic/masterclasses by two of the Los Angeles Philharmonic's most well-known musicians on March 19 and 20, 2001 at Symphony Center. Renowned performer, recording artist, pedagogue and lecturer Jeffrey Reynolds will present a lecture on Monday evening, March 19, at 6pm in the Green Room at Symphony Center. His lecture, "Smart Playing," is one of his most popular and pragmatic talks on what smart players do and dumb players don't. The talk is geared for all instrumentalists and is helpful to any aspiring professional musician. Los Angeles Philharmonic's Principal Tubist, Norman Pearson, will give a lecture on Tuesday, March 20, at 1:30pm-2:45pm in the Grainger Ballroom at Symphony Center. His lecture/demonstration, based on Mr. Pearson's own experience, will reveal the various skills necessary to become not only a successful orchestral musician but also to become successful in the extremely competitive world of the free-lance recording artist. The LAPO's recording of the music of Silvestre Revueltas, featuring Mr. Pearson, will be explored, as well as a probable first-hearing of the Yamaha copy of the York tuba in the Chicago area. This presentation will be particularly informative to all brass players, especially tubists. Finally, on Tuesday, March 20 at 3:00pm, bass-trombonist Jeffrey Reynolds will give a lecture/demonstration in the Grainger Ballroom particularly suited to all brass players, emphasizing the skills needed to not just be successful brass players, but great musicians as well. All brass players are encouraged to bring their instruments. These free events, which are open to the public, are part of the Civic Orchestra of Chicago's commitment to music appreciation and music education at all levels. Norman Pearson, Tubist with the Los Angeles Philharmonic Orchestra since 1993, is a native of Pasadena, California and a graduate of the University of Southern California. In 1982, prior to graduation, Mr. Pearson was appointed principal tuba of the Orquestra Philarmonica de Caracas in Caracas, Venezuela. Upon his return to Los Angeles, he embarked on a freelance career that has included performances with the Pacific Symphony, Joffrey Ballet, Los Angeles Music Center Opera, and in recordings for many of the major Hollywood motion picture and television studios. Mr. Pearson has been a featured soloist with several local bands and orchestras and presented a recital at the 1996 International Brassfest. He can be heard as a prominent voice on the Los Angeles Philharmonic recording "SENSEMAYA music of SILVESTRE REVUELTAS" (Esa-Pekka Salonen conductor, Sony Classical). Mr. Pearson was a student of Tommy Johnson, Jim Self, and Roger Bobo. Jeffrey Reynolds has been Bass Trombonist with the Los Angeles Philharmonic since 1969. He has been a regular speaker at the concert preview series "Upbeat Live" with the Philharmonic. His experience includes performing with most of the symphony orchestras of southern California. Mr. Reynolds has been a member of Summit Brass, California Brass Quintet, the L.A. Brass Society, and the Hollywood Trombones, and was founding conductor of the Los Angeles Brass. He has been heard on soundtracks for most of the major film studios, and has performed on hundreds of recordings. In May of 1997, Mr. Reynolds premiered Larry Lipkis' "Harlequin" for bass trombone and orchestra with Esa-Pekka Salonen conducting the Philharmonic. Mr. Reynolds has long been a champion of the Moravian Trombone Choir, serving as conductor and music director of the group for 25 years, and was conductor at six Moravian Music Festivals. He teaches, conducts, composes and arranges music, and is in demand as a clinician, conductor, and soloist at brass festivals around the world. Brian Frederiksen WindSong Press PO Box 146 Gurnee, Illinois 60031 Phone 847 223-4586 Fax 847 223-4580 brianf@windsongpress.com www.windsongpress.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:48:16 -0500 From: "Paul D. Kemp Jr." To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Atlanta Symphony Principal Trombone Audition Message-ID: <006501c0ab1c$9ebd1640$2a5ffc9e@pauljr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just noticed in my International Musician that in June there is an audition for principal trombone in the Atlanta Symphony. Does anyone out there know what gives? This position was only filled about a year ago or so. Paul Kemp Chattanooga Symphony www.trbnplyr.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:46:41 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: ellard@sprint.ca Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Trombone stand horror stories - variation/near miss Message-ID: <3AAD1991.F08A73E2@bcsd.k12.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rod Ellard wrote: > > Good morning everyone. > > Saturday night near miss: Big band gig, trumpets on risers behind me. Big > crash as trumpet player knocks stand over, off the riser, down onto our > riser, between my chair and the third's chair (to my left as I'm sitting, > waiting to get started). Luckily, third still getting his horn out of his > case. More luck: if stand had fallen on my right side, it would have taken > out my horn which was sitting on its trombone stand. =============================================================================== Similar near miss: Sat. afternoon, Sym. rehearsal. Business agent decides on her own that the orchestra needs to be displayed on risers. In our case it was 3 trombone chairs plus trombone stands, plus trying to move around a little bit, PLUS running an approximately 102 degree temperature. I, very nearly, knocked my own instrument on to the trumpets below me. Never reacted so fast in all me life. No damaged Fuchs to sell, after all. (:>)) Even GREAT stands can be toppled. Should have planned a little more ahead. All the best, Gary Maxwell Bass Trombone Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:42:17 -0500 From: Weston Sprott To: trbnplyr@earthlink.net Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Atlanta Symphony Principal Trombone Audition Message-ID: <200103121842.NAA17218@indiana.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I was kinda wondering the same thing. I asked around a little bit and found that there has been some turnover in the position of musical director and that has had some affect on people keeping tenure within the orchestra. I think that job was open a few years ago also. So, its been open more than once in the past 5 years or so. Anyone else have some info on the situation? ------------------- > I just noticed in my International Musician that in June there is an > audition for principal trombone in the Atlanta Symphony. Does anyone out > there know what gives? This position was only filled about a year ago or so. > > > Paul Kemp > Chattanooga Symphony > www.trbnplyr.com > > Weston Sprott Indiana University 812-857-8589 wsprott@indiana.edu ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:22:16 -0500 From: "Aaron Roth" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Atlanta Symphony Principal Trombone Audition Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Gosh...I heard that the newly hired principal trombone just got fired. It's probably just a rumor, but I was told that it was because of his playing. -Aaron Roth From: Weston Sprott Reply-To: wsprott@indiana.edu To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Atlanta Symphony Principal Trombone Audition Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:42:17 -0500 I was kinda wondering the same thing. I asked around a little bit and found that there has been some turnover in the position of musical director and that has had some affect on people keeping tenure within the orchestra. I think that job was open a few years ago also. So, its been open more than once in the past 5 years or so. Anyone else have some info on the situation? ------------------- > I just noticed in my International Musician that in June there is an > audition for principal trombone in the Atlanta Symphony. Does anyone out > there know what gives? This position was only filled about a year ago or so. > > > Paul Kemp > Chattanooga Symphony > www.trbnplyr.com > > Weston Sprott Indiana University 812-857-8589 wsprott@indiana.edu _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:48:12 -0500 From: "Andrew Elms" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Atlanta Symphony Principal Trombone Audition Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I sure as heck hope he wasn't fired because of his driving. Most any other reason would probably be some form of discrimination. Andy -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Aaron Roth Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 2:22 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Atlanta Symphony Principal Trombone Audition Gosh...I heard that the newly hired principal trombone just got fired. It's probably just a rumor, but I was told that it was because of his playing. -Aaron Roth >From: Weston Sprott >Reply-To: wsprott@indiana.edu >To: "Trombones and related issues forum." >Subject: Re: Atlanta Symphony Principal Trombone Audition >Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:42:17 -0500 > >I was kinda wondering the same thing. I asked around a little bit and >found that there has been some turnover in the position of musical >director and that has had some affect on people keeping tenure within >the orchestra. I think that job was open a few years ago also. So, its >been open more than once in the past 5 years or so. Anyone else have >some info on the situation? > >------------------- > > I just noticed in my International Musician that in June there is an > > audition for principal trombone in the Atlanta Symphony. Does anyone >out > > there know what gives? This position was only filled about a year >ago or so. > > > > > > Paul Kemp > > Chattanooga Symphony > > www.trbnplyr.com > > > > >Weston Sprott >Indiana University >812-857-8589 >wsprott@indiana.edu _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:51:09 -0800 From: "Dale Cruse" To: Subject: Re: Atlanta Symphony Principal Trombone Audition Message-ID: <200103121151.AA1456603412@dalecruse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I heard he got fired because right after he had his wisdom teeth out, he was reading the Arban's book on stage and then almost knocked his trombone stand (with a white athletic sock) over while shuffling his music during the audience's applause. ;-) Of course that's just a rumor started by me. Don't quote me. Dale J. Cruse dale@dalecruse.com http://www.dalecruse.com ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Aaron Roth" Reply-To: bassrange@hotmail.com Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:22:16 -0500 >Gosh...I heard that the newly hired principal trombone just got fired. It's >probably just a rumor, but I was told that it was because of his playing. > -Aaron Roth __________________________________________________ D O T E A S Y - "Join the web hosting revolution!" http://www.doteasy.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:29:43 -0600 From: "Daniel Sniderman" To: , "Trombone List" Subject: RE: Walt Johnson Cases Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have two: One designed to fit my Bach 36 - the Other designed to fit my Bach 16LT (and fits my 6 without any problems). While expensive (~$300) - it offers the best protection I've ever seen - and is as light as a gig bag. Also has the convenience of a shoulder-strap like a gig bag. I've had no problems flying with them - extensively domestically and twice to Europe. They fit throught the XRAY gate thing (probably not likely for a Bass Case and not sure about .547 sized) - and easily in the overhead. I am extremely satisified with both my cases. Dan Sniderman -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Bart Roberts Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 4:38 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Walt Johnson Cases Dear List, I realize that this topic has come up in the past but I am curious again. Can anyone give me any of their opinions and comments about Walt Johnson Cases. Thanks Bart Roberts ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:30:00 -0500 From: John Lavoie To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: ETW Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010312152702.02644710@apop.zzn.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Who is planning to attend the Eastern Trombone Workshop this weekend? A couple of you have mentioned that you'll be there, but I'm suspecting that there are more of you out there. I'll be there with the IC Troupe, we are very happy to be returning this year. John Lavoie Ithaca College Trombone Troupe ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:01:49 -0500 From: sabutin To: webmaster@Trombonegod.zzn.com Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: ETW Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Who is planning to attend the Eastern Trombone Workshop this weekend? A couple of you have mentioned that you'll be there, but I'm suspecting that there are more of you out there. I'll be there with the IC Troupe, we are very happy to be returning this year. John Lavoie Ithaca College Trombone Troupe ================================= Hi all... I'll be there, w/a bunch of my method books and lots of time on my hands. Drop by my table and say hello. S. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:42:44 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Yet another trombone case thread Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I was all set to buy a trombone case last night, on the Internet. I got confused and wound up not buying anything. I was particularly surprised that almost no one showed the inside of their cases. I?m particularly interested in getting a case that doesn?t store the slide where it can get loose and hit the bell. All of the French cases have that ?feature?, as do all of the plastic shell cases; or at least I think that?s true. In contrast, my wooden Yamaha cases store the slide out beyond the bell, so that the bell is always safe, in that regard, at least. I?ll make a point of getting out to stores, to see if any of them have any of these cases to ogle. In the interim, I?m really tempted to modify one of my Yamaha cases, so that I can take any of my small-bore, straight trombones in it. If this is wrong-headed, send obscenity-rich emails, my way. I can take it. I?m thick. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:55:07 -0500 From: "Lisa & Patrick Bates" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Cc: "christine woodcock" Subject: location of Richard Byrd Message-ID: <001f01c0ab3f$1b9039a0$62895fd8@plbates> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C0AB15.313FC6A0" This may seem a little strange, but I'm looking for a member of the OTJ forum. Richard is a forum administrator and moderator, and was a valued and very regular contributor until about the first of January. Since then, all attemps at e-mail and even phoneÊmessages left at his business have had no response. Several members of the OTJ forum, myself included are concerned about his well being. He is a computer consultant in Chicago,and was a music teacher in the south(Alabama?). Any responses appreciated, private e-mail please. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:09:21 -0500 From: "Chuck De Paolo" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: ETW Message-ID: <002501c0ab41$17b44d10$0200a8c0@ws2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We'll be there with lots of music and goodies. If you're going, please stop by and say hi! In Music, ---Chuck General Manager & Webmaster Hickey's Music Center 104 Adams Street Ithaca, NY 14850 607.272.8262 (Phone) 607.272.2203 (Fax) chuck@hickeys.com (E-Mail) http://www.hickeys.com (Website) http://www.weather.com/weather/us/zips/14850.html (Weather) >Who is planning to attend the Eastern Trombone Workshop this >weekend? A couple of you have mentioned that you'll be there, but >I'm suspecting that there are more of you out there. I'll be there >with the IC Troupe, we are very happy to be returning this year. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:01:15 -0500 From: "John McVey" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: ETW Message-ID: <003401c0ab3f$f8cdcc60$79432dd8@mhjlm00> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll be there, mostly just lurking, and trying not to spend too much money on quartet music or a new small bore tenor. I still have my bass trombone for sale if there is any interest, in fact I'll have it at the ETW if anyone would like to see or play it. You may see pictures of it at http://mcveyj.digiweb.com/mcveyj/for_sale_page.htm John McVey ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Lavoie" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 3:30 PM Subject: ETW > Who is planning to attend the Eastern Trombone Workshop this weekend? A > couple of you have mentioned that you'll be there, but I'm suspecting that > there are more of you out there. I'll be there with the IC Troupe, we are > very happy to be returning this year. > > John Lavoie > Ithaca College Trombone Troupe > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:19:27 -0500 From: Randy Campora To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Houston Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010312171859.00998610@mail.telephonet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Has the Houston Second Trombone spot been figured out yet? -Randy Campora ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Randy Campora, Bass Trombonist Baltimore Symphony Orchestra Peabody Conservatory of Music campora@peabody.jhu.edu 410-461-1984 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:37:44 -0500 From: Weston Sprott To: campora@peabody.jhu.edu Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Houston Message-ID: <200103122237.RAA06433@indiana.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >From what I've been told, the spot is still open. The audition for that position hasn't been officially announced yet. Brian Kauk played sub for that position most of last year and Brad White is the permanent substitute this year. However, I believe that the contracts with the HSO prohibit the organization from appointing someone to the position, so there will be another audition. There was an audition for the spot last year, but they didn't pick a winner. ------------------- > Has the Houston Second Trombone spot been figured out yet? > > > > -Randy Campora > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Randy Campora, Bass Trombonist > Baltimore Symphony Orchestra > Peabody Conservatory of Music > > campora@peabody.jhu.edu > 410-461-1984 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Weston Sprott Indiana University 812-857-8589 wsprott@indiana.edu ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:00:49 -0500 From: David Burch To: glangfur@yahoo.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: ask your teacher? (rhetorical question) Message-ID: <3AAD5521.173EAA05@fuse.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gabe makes several good points, and I agree that kids haven't always been taught good reading skills and theory before starting a band instrument. Our brand-new elementary and junior-high school band director (who is a clarinetist) is trying to address this by treating band as an academic course. Some class time is spent in lecture rather than rehearsal, and the kids takes notes. In junior high, he begins testing them on this material (I'm not sure why he doesn't test from the beginning, but I'll ask when I get a chance). I'm not sure whether this is part of our district's curriculum, or he just does it on his own. Dave Burch Hamilton, Ohio Gabriel Langfur wrote: > ... > I would argue that one of the fundamental problems with most public > school music programs is that they start kids too early on a particular > instrument anyway. I've tried to teach sixth graders who made a pretty > good sound on the trombone but had no idea how a time signature worked, > or what different note values were. Names of notes were foggy at best. > It wasn't fun for me or them to put down the trombone for three weeks > to re-learn the basics of music notation that they should have covered > without the distraction of a trombone in their hands. ... ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:35:38 -0500 From: "Aaron Roth" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Atlanta Symphony Principal Trombone Audition Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Heh, well, I guess I sounded either sarcastic or ignorant in my last post, so I'll qualify. The grapevine down here let fly that he was actively dismissed from the orchestra (as opposed to simply getting filtered out by whatever tenure procedure the ASO undertakes). Something about his style not matching the orchestra's. It's interesting how, after he won the audition as the player best suited for the job, they quickly began looking for a new prospect. Just another thing to make one wonder about the audition process.... -Aaron Roth I heard he got fired because right after he had his wisdom teeth out, he was reading the Arban's book on stage and then almost knocked his trombone stand (with a white athletic sock) over while shuffling his music during the audience's applause. ;-) Of course that's just a rumor started by me. Don't quote me. Dale J. Cruse dale@dalecruse.com http://www.dalecruse.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:23:09 EST From: BassBonist@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Atlanta Symphony Principal Trombone Audition Message-ID: <8d.3926ccf.27dec26d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8d.3926ccf.27dec26d_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline << Something about his style not matching the orchestra's. It's interesting how, after he won the audition as the player best suited for the job, they quickly began looking for a new prospect. ÊJust another thing to make one wonder about the audition process.... ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ-Aaron Roth>> To play well on an audition is one thing, and to be a great ENSEMBLE player is another. Zero disrespect intended to the player in question. I've never heard him play. Just an observation in general. Matt Varho Bass Trombone Aliso Viejo Symphony ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:56:45 -0500 From: jfrye To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: ETW Message-ID: <3AAF2105@webmail.utk.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT What a coincidence! I'll be around DC later this week as well. Hope to see a bunch of you there. I'll be playing with the University of Tennessee Trombone Choir. It'll be a pleasure to get away for a few days, don't you think? -j >===== Original Message From webmaster@Trombonegod.zzn.com ===== >Who is planning to attend the Eastern Trombone Workshop this weekend? A >couple of you have mentioned that you'll be there, but I'm suspecting that >there are more of you out there. I'll be there with the IC Troupe, we are >very happy to be returning this year. > >John Lavoie >Ithaca College Trombone Troupe ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:01:54 -0500 From: Candice & Eric Swanson To: trombone-l Subject: Trombonist survey Message-ID: <3AAD6372.7C124028@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, here's a question for anyone. Some months ago, somebody had a survey that they were asking all the professional trombonists to fill out and send in. I never saw anyplace where the results of the survey were posted, and have forgotten who even was taking the survey. Anyone remember this and know where I could look at the survey results? Eric Swanson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 20:56:19 EST From: Neobopr@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: ETW Message-ID: <75.117cfb9f.27ded843@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll be there performing on Saturday night at 6pm with Matt Niess' group. He is doing a tribute to Al Grey and JJ and most of the military Jazzers will be playing. Artist/Clinician for Yamaha: Jeff Adams ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:19:55 -0800 From: "Rod Ellard" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Atlanta Symphony , Houston Symphony Message-ID: <001601c0ab64$1a591960$2ce594d1@ellard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0AB21.0A151C40" To a disinterested observer, the whole audition process seems rather amusing. All this effort to level the playing field so that a 100 or so guys with virtually identical experience and background apply, of whomÊonly a few willÊbe asked to attend, and who will play the same half dozen or so excerpts which they've been working on for a few years, and then no one can decide who to hire soÊthey hang on to the guy who has been playing the part as "acting" this or that, only to repeat the process again later because you can't give the job to the guy who has been doing it etc. etc. Or they hire someone, and then find out that he "can't play in an ensemble". What does that mean I wonder? If everyone is playing the right notes, at the right dynamic, in the right rhythm, and in tune (all of which is easier than it first appears, I'll admit, but, for example, you've only been working on your big moment in The Ride since you were 17!) doesn't playing together more or less fall into place. Or did they find out that he can't read tenor clef or did he spray his slide when the conductor made his big entrance? And all this in order to hire a guy who doesn't have to doÊmuch except count bars rest and come in on time when he has a few notes to play! Rod ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:55:41 -0500 From: "Lisa & Patrick Bates" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: teacher? Message-ID: <000801c0ab69$18257e40$b0895fd8@plbates> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The grading system up here is not the same as in other places. The two conservatories have a system that grades from 1 to 10, with an associate level after that. any music student either voice or instrumental has to have at least grade 6 piano and grade 2 theory to even get in. I haven't got the lists of what pieces are required for what grade level, but be assured that grade six is a reasonable level of competency. Perhaps there is someone else on the list with more information, it was 20 years ago that I was considering applying to music departments. I just remember I was having to do a fair amount of work to get my piano playing up to par! The trombone proffesor at the local university had me working on Blazevich, telemann sonatas, marcello sonatas, etc. to get ready for an entrance playing exam. Clear as mud, I suppose Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 5:26 AM Subject: teacher? > Is that grade six in school or level six music? I doubt very much if all > music teachers can play level six music on all the instruments. > > Charlie > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 08:12:16 -0600 From: "Richard Zemry Johnson" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Same Part, Same Position? Message-ID: <000601c0aa35$48213ba0$73ce4fd8@zemry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is it important that two players playing the same part use the same posaition to play notes? For example, should both players play D in first position as opposed to one player playing it in first and one player playing the note in 4th? I guess, what I'm asking is, should the timbre(?) match? ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:07:23 -0500 From: "Paul D. Kemp Jr." To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Atlanta Symphony Principal Trombone Audition Message-ID: <003201c0ab73$4bff86c0$be5efc9e@pauljr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C0AB49.32CE0A20" Matt, Very well said. As a matter of fact, it would do everyone well to read the article in the newest ITA Journal about the audition process CAREFULLY. If you think about it, there's not that many players left who were solely chosen by the music director. That would make for a very interesting thread. As my mother has told me many times, "You can't put old heads on young shoulders." The auditionees today are not bringing any experience with them to the job. What other profession is there where a 20 year old can make $100,000+ and not have finished his education? Paul Kemp Chattanooga Symphony www.trbnplyr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: BassBonist@aol.com To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 7:23 PM Subject: Re: Atlanta Symphony Principal Trombone Audition << Something about his style not matching the orchestra's. It's interesting how, after he won the audition as the player best suited for the job, they quickly began looking for a new prospect. ÊJust another thing to make one wonder about the audition process.... ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ-Aaron Roth>> To play well on an audition is one thing, and to be a great ENSEMBLE player is another. Zero disrespect intended to the player in question. I've never heard him play. Just an observation in general. Matt Varho Bass Trombone Aliso Viejo Symphony ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:29:12 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Trombone stand horror stories - variation/near miss Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010312212835.00a2f100@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:29 AM 3/12/01 -0800, Rod Ellard blasted the following out into the ether: Saturday night near miss: Big band gig, trumpets on risers behind me. Big crash as trumpet player knocks stand over, off the riser, down onto our riser, between my chair and the third's chair (to my left as I'm sitting, waiting to get started). Luckily, third still getting his horn out of his case. More luck: if stand had fallen on my right side, it would have taken out my horn which was sitting on its trombone stand. Yep -- gotta watch them Hamilton stands! Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:needhame@yucca.net (or mailto:kd5xb@amsat.org which is really mailto:kd5xb@[128.54.16.15] ) Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446m W103d 12.700m (or so) NEW Pet peeve: People who get themselves on a mailing list and then can't figure out how to get OFF the list. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 08:49:16 -0600 From: "Richard Zemry Johnson" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Trombone stand horror stories - variation/near miss Message-ID: <001001c0aa3a$75f528c0$73ce4fd8@zemry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At my last concert, Tuesday, two weeks ago, at intermission, our baritone player chair fell, he grabbed the first thing that he could to steady himself.....my trombone on it's Hamilton stand. Needless to say, he damaged it. He bent one of the braces and the slide ended too close to the bell. It was pure pyschological agony playing the horn for the second half of the program. Luckily, the damage was not too severe. It cost about $80.00 to repair the horn. ----- Original Message ----- ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 01:30:12 -0500 From: "Aaron Roth" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Atlanta Symphony Principal Trombone Audition Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I agree with Paul's analysis. I still can't figure out, though, where in the audition process the separation between playing well ensemble-wise and just playing well occurs. Obviously, one has to play well to win an audition. Apparently, one does not have to be an effective ensemble player to win an audition, though...but one DOES have to be an effective ensemble player to keep an ensemble job. I wonder if there's any way to edit the audition process such that the player's ensemble skill becomes immediately perceptible to the committee, since the presently ubiquitous method merely determines fairly rapidly whether the prospective employee can play well In General. Again, we have pretty distinctly lined up differences between ensemble ability and just playing ability. -Aaron R. P.S. Credit is due Rod Ellard, who first voiced some of the sentiment I reflect in this post. Paul said: Matt, Very well said. As a matter of fact, it would do everyone well to read the article in the newest ITA Journal about the audition process CAREFULLY. If you think about it, there's not that many players left who were solely chosen by the music director. That would make for a very interesting thread. As my mother has told me many times, "You can't put old heads on young shoulders." The auditionees today are not bringing any experience with them to the job. What other profession is there where a 20 year old can make $100,000+ and not have finished his education? Paul Kemp Chattanooga Symphony www.trbnplyr.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 01:37:38 -0500 From: "Ted Toulouse" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Marine Band Audition Results Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed To all of those interested, the winner of the Marine Band audition today was Darren Bange. Darren is finishing up his Masters in Trombone here at Peabody in May and will report in June. He is a native of Maryland and has been a student of Jim Olin for at least 6 years. This couldn't have come at a better time for him because he and his wife are expecting their first child in September. I don't think he's a member of this list but if he is...Congrats Darren!!! Ted Toulouse Unemployed Friend of the Employed _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:18:09 +0100 From: Marius HelgŒ To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Trombone stand horror stories Message-ID: <1C5C11BC642AD41199DA00508BA5451F89B856@victoria.nb.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I once had a near-death experience at a school band rehearsal. Norwegian schoolbands has kids from age 10 to 20 playing together in the same group, so I was sitting next to a guy who was 6 years younger than me. I had placed my trombone on the stand, and the guy next to me had placed his Euphonium on the floor. In some mysterious way he had managed to slide the rim of the Euph's bell under one of the feet on my stand. When he lifted his Euph up, I guess you all can guess what happened. The 'bone went down! Miraculously, there were no damage to the 'bone at all. Marius HelgŒ Bass Trombone Mo Wind Band Mo Amateur Orchestra Dunderland Iron Ore Company Big Band Nordland Symphonic Band ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 02:37:07 -0500 From: chardy@totcon.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: two bass trombones for sale Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20010313073707.006dc1cc@totcon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Benge 290 and Holton 181 Both are in PERFECT condition, dual rotors, in line, direct linkage, no dents, like new, excellent slides, excellent cases, almost perfect original lacquer, both play extremely well! $1275 each, shipping included Charlie chardy@totcon.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:19:57 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Same Part, Same Position? Message-ID: <006501c0aba7$4b2cf6e0$ad08fd3e@q9y6f8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zemry Johnson" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 2:12 PM Subject: Same Part, Same Position? > Is it important that two players playing the same part use the same > posaition to play notes? For example, should both players play D in first > position as opposed to one player playing it in first and one player playing > the note in 4th? I guess, what I'm asking is, should the timbre(?) match? It depends on how fussy you or the section leader are. I regularly play the D in 4th and Bb/Db in 5th in a unison passage. The position I use depends on where I am on the slide prior to playing that note. Usually, an experienced player will do it the same way, whereas an inexperienced player will always go to the shortest position, even if it results in a whack on the chops. After a few such whacks, they will usually discover the safer way of doing it, unless they enjoy the masochistic approach to tromboning. There is a difference in timbre obviously, because by using an alternative position, you are playing on a higher harmonic on a longer horn. Personally, the difference in tone does not worry me in the slightest. After all, it is unlikely that the section is playing on a matched set of instruments anyway, and there is no chance of achieving a unified tone in a tenor/bass unison. The mix of tone in my mind just makes the music more interesting. Do flute, oboe and clarinet players worry about unmatched timbre when they player together in unison? I think not. How boring it would be if every instrument of the orchestra sounded exactly the same. There are however two points to consider in the alternate position argument. 1. As a visual thing in a trombone feature, it would look more regimented if slide movement were choreographed. 2. In going to a long position, you have to be certain you stop the slide in the right place. As to #1, I have never been requested to do this. As to #2, the more you use alternatives, the more likely you are to play them in tune. A. Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk www.adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:20:04 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Trombone stand horror stories - variation/near miss Message-ID: <006601c0aba7$4e405160$ad08fd3e@q9y6f8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zemry Johnson" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 2:49 PM Subject: Re: Trombone stand horror stories - variation/near miss > At my last concert, Tuesday, two weeks ago, at intermission, our baritone > player chair fell, he grabbed the first thing that he could to steady > himself.....my trombone on it's Hamilton stand. Baritone players are always reaching for something, but very few find their true nirvana. I guess you were just unlucky. A. Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk www.adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1976--