TROMBONE-L Digest 1975 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Stands, Books and Plugs by "Neal Schermerhorn" 2) Re: Shires horn by Gabriel Langfur 3) Music shuffling by David Molter 4) Wick Mouthpieces by David Molter 5) Pet peeves by David Molter 6) RE: IGIOY.... by "Jim Jaffe" 7) Re: more etiquette by Gary Sloane 8) ask your teacher? by chardy@totcon.com 9) Re: Pet peeves by "Adrian Drover" 10) Re: Stands, Books and Plugs by Andrew Michael 11) RE: Stands, Books and Plugs by "David Pozos" 12) Walt Johnson Cases by "Bart Roberts" 13) RE: Trombone stand horror stories by "Kevin Saunders" 14) Re: ask your teacher? by "Joseph Sellmansberger" 15) Re: ask your teacher? by "Dean McCarty" 16) Re: ask your teacher? by "Paul D. Kemp Jr." 17) Re: Walt Johnson Cases by "Paul Hill" 18) Re: ask your teacher? by "Hal Starkey" 19) Re: wisdom teeth removal by "Daniel Pliskin" 20) Re: ask your teacher? by Douglas Yeo 21) Spike Jones by Earl Needham 22) RE: Robert Sanders by "Brad Howland" 23) King mouthpiece by "robert bergstedt" 24) Re: Stands, Books and Plugs by "Richard Zemry Johnson" 25) ask your teacher? (rhetorical question) by chardy@totcon.com 26) Re: ask your teacher? (rhetorical question) by "Lisa & Patrick Bates" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1975 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 11:17:40 -0500 From: "Neal Schermerhorn" To: Subject: Stands, Books and Plugs Message-ID: <002b01c0aa46$e7a114a0$0101a8c0@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Been away, so here's a shotgun response. I bought my trombone stand (which I still have, but it's time to replace it) in HS. I was in a summer music camp, playing lead in the big band, second in concert band and bass in orchestra. I was using my own tenor and the camp's bass. I left my trombone in the all-time worst position - bell resting on a folding chair - in band rehearsal, and it turned into 6 days of waiting to get my horn back while I played lead bone parts on a bass trombone for lack of another horn. That's when I bought the stand. I use my stand ALWAYS, unless I'm on for only one number and right off again, or marching. I have had carpal tunnel type problems in my left wrist, and any time I can avoid the strain I do so. BTW, can anyone recommend a STURDY stand - at least as sturdy as an old Hamilton - which folds to fit in the bell? I think all trombonists should hold the horn when standing for applause UNLESS you need two hands to open the beer, in which case have the second hold the principal's horn and (s)he opens all 3. The principal should be buying the beer, incidentally. :o) When in college, I played a run of "1776" in a closed pit. I got through a few crossword puzzle books in the pit for that one. But as a conductor, I would never allow it in performance unless it was a situation like above, with no possibility of being seen. Neal Schermerhorn ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1975 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 08:43:22 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Shires horn Message-ID: <20010311164322.292.qmail@web10306.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > .525 bore, red brass 8" bell, lacquered and engraved, marked 2 RVE 8 > (means > the bell is built the way Elkhart Conn bells were built, w/two > seams), To indulge my ridiculous and obsessive rage for order, please allow me to clarify a couple of things about Shires bells. All of Shires' bells are two-piece, with two seams (Conn bells are traditionally made this way, Bach bells one-piece, with only the one seam down the length of the bell) - that's not what VE means. VE stands for Vintage Elkhart, and, as far as I can tell, it has to do with the thickness of the metal at various places in the bell. Steve's not telling what EXACTLY he does to recreate the sound and feel of the best Elkhart Conn bells. 1 or 2 refers to a soldered (1) or unsoldered (2) bead at the end of the bell. R(ed), G(old) or Y(ellow) refers to the alloy of the bell. In the case above, 8 refers to the diameter of the bell. If a number like that is preceeded by a T, then it refers to the gauge of the bead wire. All that said, the best way to try instruments at a shop like Steve's is to keep an open mind about everything there - even better, to not know exactly what you're trying. After a while you gat a sense of what trends seem to be working for you, and then you can make more targeted adjustments. Thank you for your indulgence. Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1975 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 12:50:40 -0500 From: David Molter To: trombone-L Subject: Music shuffling Message-ID: <3AABBAF0.8D688A1B@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree wholeheartedly with those who call music shuffling during applause a nasty habit. Our brass band is under a standing order not to touch any music until after the applause has stopped, whether or not we are asked to stand. Now if we could just stop certain member from noodling before the start of the second half of the concerts ... Dave Molter Allegheny Brass Band (http://trfn.clpgh.org/abb) Pittsburgh, PA ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1975 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 12:55:45 -0500 From: David Molter To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu, Arthur Koolen Subject: Wick Mouthpieces Message-ID: <3AABBC21.87E89D39@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Arthur: The Wick 4 is definitely bigger than the 5ABL, which I believe is describes as "facilitating the high range." Our principal is using the 4AL on his 88H, and I use the 2AL and 1AL on bass. So I'd say they switched the order. Dave Molter Pittsburgh, PA ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1975 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 12:58:13 -0500 From: David Molter To: trombone-L , Daniel Pliskin Subject: Pet peeves Message-ID: <3AABBCB4.1CC101E3@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Said Dan Pliskin-- >>Well said. This is one of my pet peeves too. Do we all have a lot of pet peeves, here, or what? DanP I have pet peeve about people who don't have pet peeves. Dave Molter ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1975 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 10:16:19 -0800 From: "Jim Jaffe" To: "Trombones and related issues forum" Subject: RE: IGIOY.... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Or as the mountain said to the valley "I'm Getting Sedimental Over You" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1975 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 10:50:46 -0800 From: Gary Sloane To: "David Pozos" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: more etiquette Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 12:58 PM -0600 3/9/01, David Pozos wrote: Now that we«ve got the trombone stand thing out of the way I have another one. What is the protocol on reading in rehearsals? Is it good, bad or ugly? Are there rules about that in your group? Thanks all. David Pozos Primer Tromb—n Orquesta Sinf—nica de Xalapa www.osx.org.mx Personally, I seldom find myself in a situation where I can read anything but the chart in front of me (and some might have doubts about even that), but my childhood teacher, Al Godlis, played in the pit orchestra for The Sound of Music for seven years on Broadway. He and the other wind players not only read profusely, they also exchanged instruments and scores in an effort to keep awake. He also played in the NBC Symphony of the Air, under Toscannini, which, of course, performed live (we're back in the 50's here). One favorite breach of protocol was for trumpeter Manny Weinstock to take an ostentatiously big breath and raise the trumpet to his mouth toward the end of particularly delicate string passages, as though about to make a blastissimo entrance. Many enjoyed watching Tosci's reaction; laughing loud enough to be picked up, however, was strictly forbidden. -- Gary Sloane "A gentleman should play the flute sloane@batnet.com but not too well." --Aristotle ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1975 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 15:06:02 -0500 From: chardy@totcon.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: ask your teacher? Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20010311200602.006cdea8@totcon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" How do you know if your teacher really knows the answer? Charlie ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1975 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 21:12:54 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Pet peeves Message-ID: <008501c0aa70$23e45700$dd0cfd3e@q9y6f8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Molter" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 5:58 PM Subject: Pet peeves > I have pet peeve about people who don't have pet peeves. I don't have any, and I'm really irritated by people who do. A. Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk www.adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1975 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 13:06:38 -0800 From: Andrew Michael To: neal413@javanet.com, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Stands, Books and Plugs Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The K&M in-the-bell stand seems sturdy. However, putting a stand in the bell scares me. I'd rather just carry a second bag with music, mutes, music stand, trombone stand. In fact, I just bought a cheap ($20) camera tripod bag made by Promaster that holds my K&M folding music stand (the largest one they make), my Hamilton trombone stand (in two pieces), and my Jo-Ral straight mute. Excellent for yesterday's Children's Concert with "Peter and the Wolf" which includes much time without playing and a straight mute for some passages. (Yes, I was jealous of Jim Jaffe's custom made stand-bag his wife made for him.). However, I am curious... Are there folks out there who use in-the-bell stands and have any of them had problems hurting their bells in transit? Cheers, Andy At 8:17 AM -0800 3/11/01, Neal Schermerhorn wrote: >Been away, so here's a shotgun response. > >I bought my trombone stand (which I still have, but it's time to replace it) >in HS. I was in a summer music camp, playing lead in the big band, second in >concert band and bass in orchestra. I was using my own tenor and the camp's >bass. I left my trombone in the all-time worst position - bell resting on a >folding chair - in band rehearsal, and it turned into 6 days of waiting to >get my horn back while I played lead bone parts on a bass trombone for lack >of another horn. That's when I bought the stand. I use my stand ALWAYS, >unless I'm on for only one number and right off again, or marching. I have >had carpal tunnel type problems in my left wrist, and any time I can avoid >the strain I do so. > >BTW, can anyone recommend a STURDY stand - at least as sturdy as an old >Hamilton - which folds to fit in the bell? > >I think all trombonists should hold the horn when standing for applause >UNLESS you need two hands to open the beer, in which case have the second >hold the principal's horn and (s)he opens all 3. The principal should be >buying the beer, incidentally. :o) > >When in college, I played a run of "1776" in a closed pit. I got through a >few crossword puzzle books in the pit for that one. But as a conductor, I >would never allow it in performance unless it was a situation like above, >with no possibility of being seen. > >Neal Schermerhorn ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1975 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:16:50 -0600 From: "David Pozos" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Stands, Books and Plugs Message-ID: <001601c0aa78$f87e5440$8fc2180a@davidpoz.xal.megared.net.mx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I once dropped a gig bag with an "in the bell" stand and the weight of the stand crinkled the bell to the point of cracking the bead. Now, if I take a the stand, I wrap it an old T-shirt first. I don«t know if this will help as I have not dropped anything since. Friends, do be careful. David Pozos Primer Tromb—n Orquesta Sinf—nica de Xalapa www.osx.org.mx ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1975 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 17:37:57 -0500 From: "Bart Roberts" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Walt Johnson Cases Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear List, I realize that this topic has come up in the past but I am curious again. Can anyone give me any of their opinions and comments about Walt Johnson Cases. Thanks Bart Roberts ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1975 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 17:40:01 -0600 From: "Kevin Saunders" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Trombone stand horror stories Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I second Craig's observations regarding 1) heavy is good, and 2) percussion equipment makes for great trombone stands. I also used Craig's advice to get some plungers with Lexan handles, and used a large washer and a hose clamp to make a sturdy "base" for the plunger. I then got a couple of drum stands and some percussion hardware and now have a DOUBLE trombone stand that will hold my bass and big tenor, and a TRIPLE trombone stand that holds my alto, Bach 16 and Bach 36. The horns are placed over a leg, and it is very stable. Boss lady says two stands in the living room are way better than five!!! Best Regards, Kevin Saunders -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Craig Parmerlee Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 1:05 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Trombone stand horror stories At 11:06 AM 3/10/2001 -0500, JFBermann@aol.com wrote: >I've had several colleagues who use the UMI and K&M trombone >stands have the threads on the knobs strip. Anyone else have >this problem, and if so any solutions? One colleague took a snare >drum stand and put the top of his Hamilton trombone on top of it. >It works well, but is very heavy, and takes up a lot of space, >especially in the Opera and Ballet pit. I haven't had this problem with the UMI stand, but if you really crank on the knob, I guess it will strip. Also the brake mechanism is a plastic keystone thingie. This will also probably break if you clamp it down too hard. I've made several bone stands from percussion hardware. They beat any trombone stand by a wide margin and they aren't that much more costly. Heavy is good. As I said before, you can solidify a top heavy instrument by a) having more mass at the base, or b) by widening the base. By using double-braced cymbal stands, you do BOTH. Cymbal stands are available in many different diameters at the legs. If you get a double braced unit, you can afford to go an inch or two shorter on the diameter and still have good stability simply because you are lowering the center of gravity through the weight of the double bracing. But IMHO the better solution is to get a double braced unit with very long legs in a configuration that works with the legs not fully extended. That way where there is floorspace available, you can stretch those legs out, but in cramped quarters you can pull the legs in a little and still have a low center of gravity. I don't think you will ever strip the hardware on a Yamaha cymbal stand either. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1975 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 18:16:58 -0600 From: "Joseph Sellmansberger" To: "trombone list" Subject: Re: ask your teacher? Message-ID: <012801c0aa89$c5782240$4f935d0c@vogmudet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is the real question whether to blindly follow your teacher's advice? I think that might depend on your level of ability and your teacher's track record. Up to a certain point, most pedagogy is "stock" and it is safe to follow a teacher's advice. However, to achieve "that last 1-2%", I believe that much of that last little bit of musical and technical ability is accomplished by the seat of one's pants, and perhaps one's teacher is trying to unlock the same "last 1-2%" mysteries. As to your actual question: You know if your teacher really knows the answer if your teacher can convince you by DEMONSTRATING CLEARLY that their way (vs. whatever you were trying) absolutely accomplishes the result. Going beyond that answer, I believe that very old teachers who have lost just a bit of their performance ability really have to rely on experience to be able to "convince". Emery (Emory?) Remington and Arnold Jacobs are two examples who found their ways through this. Rebuts? Regards to the list, -Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 2:06 PM Subject: ask your teacher? > How do you know if your teacher really knows the answer? > > Charlie > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1975 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 18:13:17 -0600 From: "Dean McCarty" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: ask your teacher? Message-ID: <000701c0aa89$3e970520$24c12bcf@compaqcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Before I can answer your question I would really need a little more background... 1. Are you getting information that is contradictory from what you have heard before? 2. If the answer to #1 is yes, have you asked other players and/or teachers about this? 3. Do you feel comfortable with the teacher that you are now with? 4. How old are you? I only ask you these 4 simple questions because that will shed some light as to your situation. If I were to answer vaguely then I could say that you should trust your teacher... but I do know that there is a lot of bad teaching out there... I also know that some young players tend to "know more" than their teachers (I am being sarcastic with that statement). I think that a lot on the list would agree that at one time or another when they were younger they felt as if they had outgrown or surpassed a teacher at some point. To an extent that is true... as a teacher your goal should be to teach your students to the fullest of yours and their abilities. Sometimes that means that a teacher can only take someone so far, and then it is time to move on to a more advanced level with someone else. Please let me know your answers and give just a little more information. Dean McCarty freelance trombonist, Houston area ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 2:06 PM Subject: ask your teacher? > How do you know if your teacher really knows the answer? > > Charlie > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1975 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 19:50:21 -0500 From: "Paul D. Kemp Jr." To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: ask your teacher? Message-ID: <001901c0aa8e$6eed5760$425ffc9e@pauljr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, when I first started studying trombone privately, I did everything my teacher told me to do without question. It wasn't very difficult, because his sound was incredible, and I knew that I wanted to sound like him. He was extremely good at teaching fundamentals, and he could demonstate it as well. It never ceases to amaze me that some of the students that I've had act as if they know more about playing the hirn than I do, and I've been playing the horn more years than they've been on the planet. It is rather a strange scenario if a student does everything right at the start, but as Dean McCarty says, theres an awful lot of bad teaching out there, and if a young student gets a good teacher, he would be wise to do everything the teacher says, even if success doesn't come right away. Paul Kemp Chattanooga Symphony www.trbnplyr.com > How do you know if your teacher really knows the answer? > > > > Charlie > > > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1975 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:22:56 -0900 From: "Paul Hill" To: Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Walt Johnson Cases Message-ID: <003701c0aa92$f84b3780$f109fea9@navak-n01n> Bart, I have a WJ case for my Shires Bb/F/D Bass Tbn. I love it! Smaller, lighter and stronger than my ProTec...full length piano hinge, aluminum channel on the edges of each half, three industrial latches, fiberglass material. Decent size interior storage compartment and sturdy shoulder strap. I had an additional leather handle installed on the end to carry vertically. Walt turned my case out in about a week. I could not visit his shop in person so I sent a paper tracing of my horn, from which he made a cardboard template for the custom fit. I have checked this case through as baggage on several flights...so far, so good! Best Regards, Paul ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1975 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:23:58 -0600 From: "Hal Starkey" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Re: ask your teacher? Message-ID: <007a01c0aa9b$7ee89b40$0c381b41@KSCABLE.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > How do you know if your teacher really knows the answer? > > Charlie When I was taking lessons from Neil Humfeld, one of the greatest things I learned from him was to think for myself. He'd usually let me play through an etude, exercise, etc. and make recommendations about how I might want to do something differently. He had respect for my ideas. I had more respect for his experience and knowledge. He was always right. Or, at least, his recommendations always seemed to work for me. Dr. Humfeld didn't seem to care much for me asking questions. If I did, he usually ask me, "What do you think?" I would feel like I was being put on the spot, but he was always interested in what I had to say. He'd say either, "I think so, too," or "Is that what you really think?" If he said, "Is that what you really think?" I knew I'd better rethink the problem. On the other hand, I had a teacher who was not at all interested in my ideas. This man was an extremely good trombone player, but his teaching skills were not the best. It was his way, or the hiway. In fact, one day in a lesson he stopped my playing and asked me why I was playing that way. He didn't wait for an answer, but jumped in to tell me this HAD to be done such and such way. I told him I thought my such and such way was good. Then, the teacher got right in my face and said, "Listen. When you're in my studio you'll do it the way I tell you. When you go out the door you can do whatever you want." Big difference in teaching procedures. Both of them turned out lots of good players. Hal ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1975 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 02:18:49 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: wisdom teeth removal Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I'm going to have two of my wisdom teeth (the bottom ones) removed next week. Anybody know what effects this might have on playing, if any? Are there any changes in playing feel, sound, tone, articulation, etc? Thanks! Chris, Yes, I know. It's very hard to articulate, when you've got you tongue in the back of your mouth, playing with the new gaping holes in your mouth. Other than that·no problem. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1975 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 21:41:03 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: ask your teacher? Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 3:06 PM -0500 3/11/01, chardy@totcon.com wrote: How do you know if your teacher really knows the answer? See my article on students and teachers and the expectations and qualities one should look for in the other at: http://www.yeodoug.com/teacherstudent.html -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1975 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:21:12 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Spike Jones Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010311202026.00b447c0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Anybody ever heard Spike Jones' rendition of Lassus Trombone? HOLY SMOKES!!! Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:needhame@yucca.net (or mailto:kd5xb@amsat.org which is really mailto:kd5xb@[128.54.16.15] ) Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446m W103d 12.700m (or so) NEW Pet peeve: People who get themselves on a mailing list and then can't figure out how to get OFF the list. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1975 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 21:45:40 -0800 From: "Brad Howland" To: Subject: RE: Robert Sanders Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to all for the tips! I think I know who it is now. Regards, Brad Howland ----------------------------------------------------------------- Trombone, Web Design, Income Tax, Brass Music "Specialization is for insects." ...Robert Heinlein E Mail: bradhowland@netzero.net or bhowland@islandnet.com Web Site: http://www.musicforbrass.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1975 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:56:58 -0800 From: "robert bergstedt" To: "trombone list" Subject: King mouthpiece Message-ID: <011801c0aac1$ad227320$81ab47ce@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I play a King 4B that came with a King 29 mouthpiece. Does anyone know where this fits into the Hickey Mouthpiece comparison chart? http://www.hickeys.com/cgi/display.cgi?cart_id=&page=mpcecomp.htm Thanks in advance for any information you can provide. Bob Bergstedt ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1975 Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:52:26 -0600 From: "Richard Zemry Johnson" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Stands, Books and Plugs Message-ID: <000a01c0a993$431f8640$18ce4fd8@zemry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Speaking of trombone strand covers, instead of a sock, I use the empty purple cloth cover of a Crown Royal bottle. I may have about 4-5 left over if anyone wants one. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1975 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 03:50:50 -0500 From: chardy@totcon.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: ask your teacher? (rhetorical question) Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20010312085050.006c7018@totcon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" What I really meant was: How many beginning trombonists are set (and will stay) on the wrong path by well-meaning "clarinet players" that took a six week course on ALL the brass instruments in college. Or conversly, clarinet players that are set on the wrong path by well-meaning "trombone players" that took a six week course on all the reed instruments. I would venture to say that a vast majority of beginners do not have the luxury of a "knowledgable", "qualified" teacher for the instrument they are learning. Charlie ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1975 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 05:59:56 -0500 From: "Lisa & Patrick Bates" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: ask your teacher? (rhetorical question) Message-ID: <001001c0aae3$94155ce0$cd885fd8@plbates> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess that's why here in Canada a music education degree maens playing all the instruments to a grade 6 level, and your principal instrument to a much higher level! Patrick W. Bates Bothwell, ON Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 3:50 AM Subject: ask your teacher? (rhetorical question) > What I really meant was: How many beginning trombonists are set (and will > stay) on the wrong path by well-meaning "clarinet players" that took a six > week course on ALL the brass instruments in college. Or conversly, clarinet > players that are set on the wrong path by well-meaning "trombone players" > that took a six week course on all the reed instruments. > > I would venture to say that a vast majority of beginners do not have the > luxury of a "knowledgable", "qualified" teacher for the instrument they are > learning. > > Charlie > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1975--