TROMBONE-L Digest 1972 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Information about Pierre Gabaye by SHogg@aol.com 2) circus bands by "Richardson, Tim" 3) Brass Band of Battle Creek by Dave Molter 4) Kenton library by Dave Molter 5) Re: paid to play was RE: brass band pay scale - amateur skill by ALFORDMB@aol.com 6) Re: Etudes by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 7) RE: circus bands by Thomas.Tyson@infineon.com 8) Re: circus bands by Chris Lee 9) Re: circus bands by Chris Waage 10) RE: Bach LT8 info? by "Andrew Elms" 11) RE: Rochuts by "Andrew Elms" 12) RE: Brass Band of Battle Creek by "Andrew Elms" 13) Re: Etudes by David Buckley 14) Andr=?ISO-8859-1?B?6SBMYWZvc3NlLCBTeW50aOlzZSBkZSBsYSBUZQ==?= =?ISO-8859-1?B?Y2huaXF1ZSBkdSBUcm9tYm9uZSBlbiA4IExl5w==?=ons Par by Galen Zinn 15) Re: Brass bands by David Buckley 16) Yet another lesson book thread by Craig Parmerlee 17) Mark Heter Brass Band by Joestanko@aol.com 18) Re: "Four Of A Kind" by "Jen and Andy Walls" 19) Re: Etudes by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 20) yet another trombone case question by "Daniel Pliskin" 21) Re: Rochuts by Gabriel Langfur 22) Re: Arbans book by jimandcat@juno.com 23) Re: Yet another lesson book thread by "Adrian Drover" 24) Re: Rochuts by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 25) Re: Arbans book by Gabriel Langfur 26) Re: Yet another lesson book thread by "Gary D. Maxwell" 27) RE: Arbans book by "Huelsmann, Tom" 28) Re: yet another trombone case question by Gabriel Langfur 29) IGSOY.... by "Huelsmann, Tom" 30) Byron McCulloh by Ralph Bigelow 31) Re: IGSOY.... by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 32) Re: Yet another lesson book thread by Craig Parmerlee 33) Brass Bands/BBoBC by "Kevan Lomas" 34) Re: Yet another lesson book thread by "Daniel Pliskin" 35) Re: IGSOY.... by "John McVey" 36) Re: IGSOY.... by "Gary D. Maxwell" 37) Re: Yet another lesson book thread by Craig Parmerlee 38) Re: Ophicleide sold by Douglas Yeo 39) RE: IGSOY.... by Peter_Eiden@prenhall.com 40) Re: Rochuts by Auxbone@aol.com 41) RE: paid to play was RE: brass band pay scale by "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" 42) RE: Brass Bands/BBoBC by Peter_Eiden@prenhall.com 43) RE: Ewald Symphony for Brass by "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" 44) Re: yet another trombone case question by "Emil & Cynthia Orth" 45) Re: Etudes by Earl Needham 46) Re: Yet another lesson book thread by Earl Needham 47) RE: circus bands by "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" 48) Re: Arbans book by "E. P. LUKAS" 49) Re: Yet another lesson book thread by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 50) Re: IGSOY.... by jimandcat@juno.com 51) Re: Ewald Symphony for Brass by "Edwin Miller" 52) Re: Yet another lesson book thread by Craig Parmerlee 53) Re: Ophicleide sold by Clingo 54) Kansas City area by "Jon Bohls" 55) Haim Avitzur's Recital by eanogmus@netvision.net.il (Eliezer Aharoni) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 07:40:11 EST From: SHogg@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Information about Pierre Gabaye Message-ID: <7c.12911d9a.27d7862b@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7c.12911d9a.27d7862b_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline Dear List A colleague of mine sent the following message. Can anyone help please. Simon Hogg Hi Simon, I'm trying to get some information on a composer by the name of Pierre Gabaye. I'm doing a piece of his for Tpt. Tbn, Hrn. & Piano in a couple of weeks and I've got to find out something about him pretty damned quickly. Do you know anything about him? Anything at all? Yours desparately, Phil. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:00:41 -0500 From: "Richardson, Tim" To: "'Adrian Drover'" , Steve Beck Subject: circus bands Message-ID: <21E592FA8BA7D311B5B100062B001FE206F12BB3@LEE2> I am insanely jealous. However i confidently assert there is at most one circus in the US with one trombone layer. The rest use a scratch cassette tape, a karaoke box, or possibly one player (I can't say musican) on a fancy keyboard. If I'm wrong tell me, I'll go this weekend and take the kids, whatever it costs. Definitely none of the ones that ever tour anywhere near me bring a band. yours, tim richardson > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Drover [SMTP:slide.rule@adios.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 3:41 AM > To: Steve Beck; Trombones and related issues forum. > Subject: Re: paid to play was RE: brass band pay scale - amateur > skill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Beck" > To: "Trombones and related issues forum." > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 9:14 PM > Subject: Re: paid to play was RE: brass band pay scale - amateur skill > > > > From: "Richardson, Tim Of course the circus band > > > tradition is dead now. > > > > It is? I play in one next Sunday. It's a riot. > > > > You know, a trombone really can make an elephant charge. > > I played in a touring circus band for about a year. The band stand was > above the ring entrance. The elephants thought it was fun to lift the > stage > up while they were awaiting their turn to perform. That's probably the > most > dangerous gig I've ever played. > > A. > > Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) > Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk > Business: studio@adios.co.uk > www.adios.co.uk > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:40:51 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Molter To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Brass Band of Battle Creek Message-ID: <383544202.983972451252.JavaMail.root@web538-wrb> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To those who mentioned the Brass Band of Battle Creek, I should point out that Lance LaDuke, now principal euphonium with the River Citty Brass Band (www.rcbb.com) used to play with BBBC and may still. I have never heard them, but if Lance's playing is any indication, I'll bet they snap, crackle, pop. (A pun that will make sense oonly to those who know that Kellogg's Rice Crispies are made in Battle Creek.) Dave Molter ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:36:02 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Molter To: bassbone@exp.net Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Kenton library Message-ID: <383089693.983972162424.JavaMail.root@web313-wrb> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dean: You are correct in stating that Stan Kenton's library was left to North Texas State. I have heard from discussion on the Kenton newsgroup that access is not the best, however, and that there have been many problems getting the OK from Stan's estate to use the music. I don't know this for a fact, however, and you know what they say about hearsay. Sierra Music does offer probably 50 Kenton arrangements, though, plus some other great stuff by Bill Holman. Dave Molter ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:57:19 EST From: ALFORDMB@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: paid to play was RE: brass band pay scale - amateur skill Message-ID: <58.8200956.27d7983f@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On the subject of bands and circus bands, does anyone have info on a "Mark Heter Brass Band?" I have an Lp of traditional style circus music that was recorded in 1983 in Emerson NJ. They have a "nice" gritty sound reminiscent of old recordings of Merle Evans with the Ringling Bros. band. I recall that trombonists George Masso and Joel Helleny, who I recognise for their jazz work, are on the Heter recording. Just curious, Mike Alford ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:58:50 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: slide.rule@adios.co.uk, BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Etudes Message-ID: <4a.1265ca73.27d7989a@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok So Marconi had the way for us to hear drummers (before we went deaf from rock and roll big tube amps and screaming guitars) long before. Wasn't the Titanic's radio a spark jumper??? Accompaniament for the deck piano. beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:01:09 +0100 From: Thomas.Tyson@infineon.com To: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: circus bands Message-ID: <541DE6DC039F64428FE422C6BABF9BA5833188@RICSE006> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Tim, As of two years ago when I saw them in Boston, the Big Apple Circus (one ring) DOES use a live band with a trombone player. I haven't seen them this far south (Richmond), but they do play in Baltimore each year. They do a lot of childrens charity work and their show should not be missed. http://www.bigapplecircus.org/ Tom Tyson Richmond Concert Band -----Original Message----- From: Richardson, Tim [mailto:richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 8:01 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: circus bands I am insanely jealous. However i confidently assert there is at most one circus in the US with one trombone layer. The rest use a scratch cassette tape, a karaoke box, or possibly one player (I can't say musican) on a fancy keyboard. If I'm wrong tell me, I'll go this weekend and take the kids, whatever it costs. Definitely none of the ones that ever tour anywhere near me bring a band. yours, tim richardson > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Drover [SMTP:slide.rule@adios.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 3:41 AM > To: Steve Beck; Trombones and related issues forum. > Subject: Re: paid to play was RE: brass band pay scale - amateur > skill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Beck" > To: "Trombones and related issues forum." > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 9:14 PM > Subject: Re: paid to play was RE: brass band pay scale - amateur skill > > > > From: "Richardson, Tim Of course the circus band > > > tradition is dead now. > > > > It is? I play in one next Sunday. It's a riot. > > > > You know, a trombone really can make an elephant charge. > > I played in a touring circus band for about a year. The band stand was > above the ring entrance. The elephants thought it was fun to lift the > stage > up while they were awaiting their turn to perform. That's probably the > most > dangerous gig I've ever played. > > A. > > Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) > Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk > Business: studio@adios.co.uk > www.adios.co.uk > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:19:21 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Lee To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: circus bands Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Richardson, Tim wrote: > However i confidently assert there is at most one circus in the US with one > trombone layer. The rest use a scratch cassette tape, a karaoke box, or > possibly one player (I can't say musican) on a fancy keyboard. > I saw the Ringling Brothers circus a few years ago here in New York and there was definitely one trombone player in the band--I couldn't actually see him but I saw the slide motions, especially for all the expected glissandos for the clown acts. :) I couldn't tell how many people were in the band, but I'm guessing less than 10. Their "stage" was packed with electronics--they needed serious amplification to be heard in the huge venue (Madison Square Garden) -Chris ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:50:49 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: Re: circus bands Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Ringling Bros. usually hires local musicians throught the AF of M. Chris On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Richardson, Tim wrote: However i confidently assert there is at most one circus in the US with one trombone layer. The rest use a scratch cassette tape, a karaoke box, or possibly one player (I can't say musican) on a fancy keyboard. I saw the Ringling Brothers circus a few years ago here in New York and there was definitely one trombone player in the band--I couldn't actually see him but I saw the slide motions, especially for all the expected glissandos for the clown acts. :) I couldn't tell how many people were in the band, but I'm guessing less than 10. Their "stage" was packed with electronics--they needed serious amplification to be heard in the huge venue (Madison Square Garden) -Chris -- ________________________________________________ Chris Waage chris@trombone.org Associate Webmaster The Online Trombone Journal http://www.trombone.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:06:45 -0500 From: "Andrew Elms" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Bach LT8 info? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Error: -snip- Considering that the larger the number the larger the bore (50B is larger than a 42B, which is larger than a 36, which is larger than 16), this horn must be a really small-bore peashooter. I don't think that model is currently available from Bach. -snip- This is not exactly true. The number merely indicates the order that V.B. worked on them. For example, the Bach 39 alto trombone. Also the trumpets don't necessarily follow the bigger number-bigger bell thing. Conveniently, I think it is true for all of the common, and most of the uncommon production horns from Bach. Andy ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:06:57 -0500 From: "Andrew Elms" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Rochuts Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmmm... Well, let's consider something: Some of the people on this list who have written new books, are some of the NEW MASTERS. Music, like any other discipline, evolves. That is why method books get written. I can imagine the same argument you present being available to people at the time Rochut transposed the Borgdoni. Time helps us see which ideas are worth saving. To use a parallel, Frank Lloyd Wright was a pretty good architect, a master if you will. However, I would hate to be burdened by only using the knowledge and information that was available to him. For example, FLW ignored the fact that things expand and contract due to temperature fluctuations. Thus, many of his buildings (especially those made of cements) are cracking and breaking from the fatigue of constantly changing weather. That's why they're spending millions of dollars to fix the Guggenheim and Falling Waters. So, I say let us learn from new masters, who have taken the learning from the old masters, incorporated it into their approach and improved on the problems that were present in the older methods. Looking forward, Andy -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Auxbone@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:30 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Rochuts The teacher Rheinhart (sp) advocated the use of the Rochuts. I guess the new guys writing and promoting their own books on this list serve feel that that they are better than the masters were. We will see. Stan ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:26:21 -0500 From: "Andrew Elms" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Brass Band of Battle Creek Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes the band can 'snap crackle and pop.' Visit www.bbbc.net I believe there are some samples of the band on the page. There is a link to a page called 'Real audio files.' There are some tracks from each of the five CDs out. I prefer the latest 'Britain and Brass' because it was recorded live during the Band's tour of the UK. I like live performances. Anyway, if you ever see the BBBC, come say hi. Andy -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Dave Molter Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 8:41 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Brass Band of Battle Creek To those who mentioned the Brass Band of Battle Creek, I should point out that Lance LaDuke, now principal euphonium with the River Citty Brass Band (www.rcbb.com) used to play with BBBC and may still. I have never heard them, but if Lance's playing is any indication, I'll bet they snap, crackle, pop. (A pun that will make sense oonly to those who know that Kellogg's Rice Crispies are made in Battle Creek.) Dave Molter ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 10:34:24 -0500 From: David Buckley To: slide.rule@adios.co.uk Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Etudes Message-ID: <3AA65500.16FDC790@sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can sure tell who the old guys are on this list. Dave. Adrian Drover wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Earl Needham" > To: "Trombones and related issues forum." > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 2:51 PM > Subject: Re: Etudes > > > Now -- music in code? Geez! It would rapidly get cumbersome -- > > let's see -- > > > > A1 half note = .- .---- .... .- .-.. ..-. -. --- - . > > > > Yep -- pretty cumbersome. Not any fun, either! > > Howzabout the first 4 notes of Beethoven's 5th, dot-dot-dot-daaah, used as > the "V" for victory call in WW2? > > A. > > Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) > Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk > Business: studio@adios.co.uk > www.adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 07:30:32 -0800 From: Galen Zinn To: Trombone List Post Subject: Andr Lafosse, Synthse de la Te chnique du Trombone en 8 Leons Par Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have this set of four 78 rpm records recorded by Andr Lafosse, professeur au conservatoire national de musique de paris, English adaptation by Nathan Peck. The music printed to go with the eight lessons is copyrighted 1950 by M. Baron Co.,8 west 45th Street, New York 19, NY., Printed in France, PH. Fougeres 48, Rue de Ponthieu, Paris. Disques Aura = 33, Rue Le Peletier, Paris IXe. The eight lessons are entitled: 1RE LEON Attaque Fondamentale 2ME LEON Pose de son et sons fils 3ME LEON Du Lgato 4ME LEON Exception l'mission spciale du Lgato 5ME LEON Les Gammes 6ME LEON Arpges Appogiature Brve 7ME LEON Mordant-Gruppetti Glissandi 8ME LEON Le Style So what do you think, would these be good fillers for the local sanitary land fill or are they destined for the "Trombone Hall of Fame"? I can't listen to them, since they are 78 rpm (my record player allows only 33rpm and 45rpm). Maybe I should sell them on Ebay for a million? Galen Zinn E-mail: zinger@musician.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 10:54:36 -0500 From: David Buckley To: becks@pilot.msu.edu Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Brass bands Message-ID: <3AA659BC.C8ACC255@sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BBoBC is a great band and probably the only North American band which might do well in competition with the UK bands. Hannaford Street Silver Band in Toronto is also pretty close. Both these bands are fully professional and neither has the unmatched ensemble sound or the dynamic range of the top contesting bands. BBoBC can be very loud but nowhere close at the low end. Their cornets do not adjust to the difference from trumpets and tend to sound too trumpetty for the proper ensemble mix with all the saxhorns. Hannaford tends to play more in the middle without either end of the volume spectrum. All good to listen to though. Dave. Steve Beck wrote: > From: "Paul D. Kemp Jr." Just don't take on the British at their own > > game--you're likely to get anihilated. > > I'm surprised no one mentioned the Brass band of Battle Creek. I dare say > it would take quite a band to "annihilate" it. I had the pleasure of > hearing our own Wayne Dyess play in it a couple of years ago and they were > awesome. > > -Steve ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 11:24:33 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Yet another lesson book thread Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010307112023.020267a8@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed All these discussions about "my favorite lesson book" reminded me of the most important axiom I have learned about music. "Never trust anyone who memorizes Arban's". Hard at work on my soon-to-be-released-soon-to-be-best-seller, ARBANS FOR DUMMIES (10 pages, no 16th notes, no accidentals, $35) Craig ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:41:02 EST From: Joestanko@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu, ALFORDMB@aol.com Subject: Mark Heter Brass Band Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b2.122c8645.27d7be9e_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline <<<>> ------------------------------------ Mike, Mark Heter - tubist - works for the American Federation of Musicians in New York City, handling road shows and other union negotiations. I've worked with him a few times in New Jersey; try him at this email address - mheter@afm.org. Mention my name to him, and I'm sure he'll be happy to provide information about the album. Joe Stanko Bronx, NY ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:51:09 -0500 From: "Jen and Andy Walls" To: "Trombone-L List" , Subject: Re: "Four Of A Kind" Message-ID: <018e01c0a726$d04d5a20$1c471bd0@0016344132> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_018B_01C0A6FC.E6419140" Hi Dennis, Maybe I'll see you there. I'm going to Saturday's concert, maybe Sunday too. I talked to the coordinator for Saturday's concert and he said there are folks coming from as far away as Toronto and Denver. There is no admission charge but a collection to help defray the costs will be taken. Andy Walls ----- Original Message ----- From: DenBlose@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 3:43 PM Subject: "Four Of A Kind" I recall getting a post for a concert this coming weekend but can't recall where or when. Could someone supply me with the details, please. Dennis Subject: "Four of a Kind" in Concert Please forward this to anyone who might be interested. Thanks, Blair Bollinger What: "FOUR OF A KIND" Trombone Quartet in Concert When: Sat and Sun March 10 and 11, 2001 Where: near Philadelphia (details below) FOUR OF A KIND is a unique collection of four of America's best trombonists. The members are JOSEPH ALESSI, Principal Trombone, New York Philharmonic; SCOTT HARTMAN, Trombone Faculty, Boston University; MARK LAWRENCE, Principal Trombone, San Francisco Symphony and BLAIR BOLLINGER, Bass Trombone, Philadelphia Orchestra. The group was formed in 1991 for the purpose of making the recording "Four of a Kind". FOUR OF A KIND made it's public debut in Tokyo in August 1998 as part of a Japanese tour and has appeared at the 1999 International Trombone Festival and Trombone Day at the Mannes College in New York City. They will make a new CD in March 2001. FOUR OF A KIND performs a diverse repertoire from Bach transcriptions to original works for trombones to jazz arrangements. Concert #1 Saturday, March 10, 2001 7:30pm St. Mary's Episcopal Church Wayne, PA For more info contact: Gordon Turk gturkpipes@aol.com 610.688.1313 ------------------------------ Concert #2 Sunday, March 11, 2001 7:00pm Academy of the New Church Benade Hall Bryn Athyn, PA For more info contact: Reuben Bell RPBell@newchurch.edu 215.914.2984 ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 12:14:19 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: davebuckley@sympatico.ca, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Etudes Message-ID: <9e.11093c1a.27d7c66b@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thaks I find it wonderful to be old and on this list. You guys and gals have answered many of my questions. Also you have cleared up my method book that I used.. I thought it was from 1915 and yesterday one of you kind folks told me it was written in 1838 and was French Trombone Method. Mine was just from a 1915 printing Never too old to learn something new. beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 17:39:00 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: yet another trombone case question Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed On must of the trombones that I play, I?ve carved a cork to build up the grip, covered the grip surfaces with leather and added extra counterbalance weights. At that point they no longer fit in their original cases, if they even came in a case. I know that there?s been a lot of discussion about cases over the years and I suppose it?s silly to expect a definitive answer on my questions, but I?m going to ask, anyway. I want it all. I want a case that will protect a small, straight trombone from getting damaged while I?m carrying it around and while it?s in the trunk of my car (with other things). I?d like to be able to carry the case, using a shoulder strap. I suppose I?m looking for a hard-shell case, to protect the slide, but if I can get that with a soft case, I?m open to that. I don?t expect it to survive baggage handlers. And, I?d like to pay $100.00 or less, for it. If there?s anyone left not laughing, what case do you recommend? DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:04:14 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Rochuts Message-ID: <20010307180414.94883.qmail@web10314.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Auxbone@aol.com wrote: > The teacher Rheinhart (sp) advocated the use of the Rochuts. I guess > the new > guys writing and promoting their own books on this list serve feel > that that > they are better than the masters were. We will see. > > Stan Stan, That's not what they are saying at all. I think I understand Sam's point, and it's not that Reinhart or anyone else was wrong or misguided to use Rochut, it's that there's a lot of BETTER music out there, and we would all be well served to look for it. Rochut - a great trombonist, no more, no less - simply adapted something he knew to use for specific study purposes, for himself and his students. Treating it as gospel is what I think Sam objects to. Ultimately, each person's playing is his or her own responsibility, limited only by his or her imagination. Sam has made the valuable point that the more we use our imaginations to further our playing and our musical knowledge and flexibility, the better off we are. Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:30:44 -0800 From: jimandcat@juno.com To: slide.rule@adios.co.uk, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Arbans book Message-ID: <20010307.083046.-379469.0.Jimandcat@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:42:42 -0000 "Adrian Drover" writes: > >>>>>>> Jim P. : "After all, what we have gotten in the habit of calling a bass trombone is actually a tenor-bass trombone. You basically have to have all the same skills as a tenor trombonist in most of the same range." > >>>>>>> > > I disagree. The bass trombone, although the same length as the > tenor > without the F extension, is a larger instrument. As such, it > should > specialize in a lower register. Although it is technically possible > to play > IGSOY on the bass in the same register as TD, what's the point? It > sounds > better in the GR register. > > A. For sure, and I would rather play in the GR register all the time. But most of my playing is in or just above the staff. Big band bass trombone is about the only place (other than trombone ensembles) where the bass trombone ONLY plays in the first 4 partials. In the orchestral repertoire only about 30 pieces even require the 3rd trombone player to go below low E. Many times the bass trombone plays unison with the tenors on the melodic lines. I'm playing with the SD Chamber Orchestra the next 2 weeks and none of the 5 Copland compositions or the Ellington ("New World a-Comin' ") require the 3rd to use a trigger. In fact the Ellington requires the 3rd to play in tenor clef up to a high Bb. (Thankfully we're also doing Bernstein's "Chichester Psalms", which has a great bass trombone part, but it also goes above the staff.) Some of the touring Broadway musicals I have done lately have only a bass trombone part, going from pedals to the 6th; 7th, or 8th partials. The recent solos ("Barnacle Bill", Ewazen, Seikmann and others) for bass trombone require full command from lowest pedals to 8th partial (and above). I think it is mistake to think of the bass trombone only as a "slide tuba". Its beauty and power in the upper register is a musical asset, not liability. Most of the exercises in Arban's lie between low E and 6th partial F, the same range as most music written for 3rd trombone. Of course we should be accomplished below the staff for many reasons (three of them being it sounds great, it's fun to play, and we do often function as the "tuba"), but even GR's solos are usually in the staff and a little above. P.S. I have often been hired to play dance jobs as the only trombone and I have often played IGSOY in the original key, as well as SOI and M, on my Bach 50 (Gasp!) and it sounded fine. If I were starting over I would have a small tenor double, not necessary right now. Jim Prindle Big Trombone I think ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:05:56 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Yet another lesson book thread Message-ID: <007501c0a732$33b558a0$570efd3e@q9y6f8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Parmerlee" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 4:24 PM Subject: Yet another lesson book thread > Hard at work on my soon-to-be-released-soon-to-be-best-seller, > ARBANS FOR DUMMIES (10 pages, no 16th notes, no accidentals, $35) OK Craig, I'll buy a copy just as soon as I've mastered "Arbans for Dummies for Dummies" and "Goose Eggs Made Easy". A. Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk www.adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:12:54 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: glangfur@yahoo.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Rochuts Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newer Authors: Times change, Styles Change Instruments Change... New blood is welcome because it recognizes the changes. I am really happy with the new low pressure instruments. It makes it easier for people to play thus insuring that new students come on stream and preserve the heritage. Low pressure instruments allow for techniques that were not practical on older instruments. i.e. Mantia's Arbans for Trombone has parts that in the "old days" you couldn't play effectively on bone, but needed a euphoneum to play or at least a valve trombone, but now... the instruments are sufficiently different (not I did not say superior) and allow the performance of passages that were virtually non negotiable on some of the older slide trombones. Vive La Change!!!! ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:19:38 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Arbans book Message-ID: <20010307181938.81810.qmail@web10304.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Adrian Drover wrote: Although it is technically possible > to play > IGSOY on the bass in the same register as TD, what's the point? It > sounds > better in the GR register. Huh? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 10:27:43 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: craig@acticalc.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Yet another lesson book thread Message-ID: <3AA67D9F.577CA402@bcsd.k12.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Craig Parmerlee wrote: > All these discussions about "my favorite lesson book" reminded me of the > most important axiom I have learned about music. "Never trust anyone who > memorizes Arban's". ============================================================================ You are right! They smile too much, and you NEVER want to trust anyone who does that. Gary Maxwell ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 12:43:19 -0600 From: "Huelsmann, Tom" To: "'jimandcat@juno.com'" Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Arbans book Message-ID: <38865632B1D5D4118BD80060977CF885464B48@85-exch.sowashco.k12.mn.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I give up: what are IGSOY, GR and M? Us older fogies must be out of the loop, although we must be so far out we don't even know which loop it is! I agree with jimandcat@juno.com about bass trombone range, and that there are really two kinds of bass bone: classical and big band. First time I heard George Roberts do his solo lick on Lisbon Antigua I just freaked out! Thomas J. Huelsmann Director of Bands Park High School 8040 80th St S Cottage Grove MN 55016 -----Original Message----- From: jimandcat@juno.com [SMTP:jimandcat@juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 10:31 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Arbans book On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:42:42 -0000 "Adrian Drover" writes: > >>>>>>> Jim P. : "After all, what we have gotten in the habit of calling a bass trombone is actually a tenor-bass trombone. You basically have to have all the same skills as a tenor trombonist in most of the same range." > >>>>>>> > > I disagree. The bass trombone, although the same length as the > tenor > without the F extension, is a larger instrument. As such, it > should > specialize in a lower register. Although it is technically possible > to play > IGSOY on the bass in the same register as TD, what's the point? It > sounds > better in the GR register. > > A. For sure, and I would rather play in the GR register all the time. But most of my playing is in or just above the staff. Big band bass trombone is about the only place (other than trombone ensembles) where the bass trombone ONLY plays in the first 4 partials. In the orchestral repertoire only about 30 pieces even require the 3rd trombone player to go below low E. Many times the bass trombone plays unison with the tenors on the melodic lines. I'm playing with the SD Chamber Orchestra the next 2 weeks and none of the 5 Copland compositions or the Ellington ("New World a-Comin' ") require the 3rd to use a trigger. In fact the Ellington requires the 3rd to play in tenor clef up to a high Bb. (Thankfully we're also doing Bernstein's "Chichester Psalms", which has a great bass trombone part, but it also goes above the staff.) Some of the touring Broadway musicals I have done lately have only a bass trombone part, going from pedals to the 6th; 7th, or 8th partials. The recent solos ("Barnacle Bill", Ewazen, Seikmann and others) for bass trombone require full command from lowest pedals to 8th partial (and above). I think it is mistake to think of the bass trombone only as a "slide tuba". Its beauty and power in the upper register is a musical asset, not liability. Most of the exercises in Arban's lie between low E and 6th partial F, the same range as most music written for 3rd trombone. Of course we should be accomplished below the staff for many reasons (three of them being it sounds great, it's fun to play, and we do often function as the "tuba"), but even GR's solos are usually in the staff and a little above. P.S. I have often been hired to play dance jobs as the only trombone and I have often played IGSOY in the original key, as well as SOI and M, on my Bach 50 (Gasp!) and it sounded fine. If I were starting over I would have a small tenor double, not necessary right now. Jim Prindle Big Trombone I think ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:45:23 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: yet another trombone case question Message-ID: <20010307184523.77463.qmail@web10305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dan, I think ProTec is going to be the best value. They make a couple of smaller cases, designed for smaller instruments, and I think the slide sections are flexible enough to allow for your built-up grip. About $100 is the price you'll get from any dealer large enough to get a volume discount. I wouldn't check one on an airplane or drop it down a staircase, but they're very good for everyday use. For about $200-$250, you can get more protection from WolfPak, or lighter from BAM (& maybe a little bit better protection too). Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 12:46:08 -0600 From: "Huelsmann, Tom" To: "'jimandcat@juno.com'" Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: IGSOY.... Message-ID: <38865632B1D5D4118BD80060977CF885464B49@85-exch.sowashco.k12.mn.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" OK, brain kicked in - I figured out IGSOY, TD and even GR. But SOI and M? Thomas J. Huelsmann Director of Bands Park High School 8040 80th St S Cottage Grove MN 55016 -----Original Message----- From: jimandcat@juno.com [SMTP:jimandcat@juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 10:31 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Arbans book On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:42:42 -0000 "Adrian Drover" writes: > >>>>>>> Jim P. : "After all, what we have gotten in the habit of calling a bass trombone is actually a tenor-bass trombone. You basically have to have all the same skills as a tenor trombonist in most of the same range." > >>>>>>> > > I disagree. The bass trombone, although the same length as the > tenor > without the F extension, is a larger instrument. As such, it > should > specialize in a lower register. Although it is technically possible > to play > IGSOY on the bass in the same register as TD, what's the point? It > sounds > better in the GR register. > > A. For sure, and I would rather play in the GR register all the time. But most of my playing is in or just above the staff. Big band bass trombone is about the only place (other than trombone ensembles) where the bass trombone ONLY plays in the first 4 partials. In the orchestral repertoire only about 30 pieces even require the 3rd trombone player to go below low E. Many times the bass trombone plays unison with the tenors on the melodic lines. I'm playing with the SD Chamber Orchestra the next 2 weeks and none of the 5 Copland compositions or the Ellington ("New World a-Comin' ") require the 3rd to use a trigger. In fact the Ellington requires the 3rd to play in tenor clef up to a high Bb. (Thankfully we're also doing Bernstein's "Chichester Psalms", which has a great bass trombone part, but it also goes above the staff.) Some of the touring Broadway musicals I have done lately have only a bass trombone part, going from pedals to the 6th; 7th, or 8th partials. The recent solos ("Barnacle Bill", Ewazen, Seikmann and others) for bass trombone require full command from lowest pedals to 8th partial (and above). I think it is mistake to think of the bass trombone only as a "slide tuba". Its beauty and power in the upper register is a musical asset, not liability. Most of the exercises in Arban's lie between low E and 6th partial F, the same range as most music written for 3rd trombone. Of course we should be accomplished below the staff for many reasons (three of them being it sounds great, it's fun to play, and we do often function as the "tuba"), but even GR's solos are usually in the staff and a little above. P.S. I have often been hired to play dance jobs as the only trombone and I have often played IGSOY in the original key, as well as SOI and M, on my Bach 50 (Gasp!) and it sounded fine. If I were starting over I would have a small tenor double, not necessary right now. Jim Prindle Big Trombone I think ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 10:48:34 -0800 From: Ralph Bigelow To: trombone-l Subject: Byron McCulloh Message-ID: <200103071751.KAA13868@shaft.95net.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Have received word that Byron B. (BB) McCulloh has been moved to his home and is under hospice care. His friends may wish to send him a note at 4625 5th Ave. Pittsburgh, PA 15213. An extraordinary talented man, BB was bass trombonist with the Pittsburgh for many years. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:54:09 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: thuelsma@sowashco.k12.mn.us, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: IGSOY.... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok so you figured out what they were. What are they??? beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 15:09:17 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Yet another lesson book thread Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010307150745.01e85018@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:27 AM 3/7/2001 -0800, Gary D. Maxwell wrote: Craig Parmerlee wrote: > All these discussions about "my favorite lesson book" reminded me of the > most important axiom I have learned about music. "Never trust anyone who > memorizes Arban's". ============================================================================ You are right! They smile too much, and you NEVER want to trust anyone who does that. It is the smile of insanity. :) That raises the obvious question. Is Arbans any better on Prozac? ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:06:48 -0000 From: "Kevan Lomas" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Brass Bands/BBoBC Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello the list I had the good luck to hear the BBoBC when they were in Manchester during their UK tour in 1998. The Concert was a joint one with the Fairey Engineering Band (no jokes please) At that time Fairey were the British Open Champions. The concert was a real musical treat. At the time I thought the BBoBC gave an excellent performance, however the sound from the BBoBC was, to my mind at least, subtly different to that of Fairey's in terms of balance and blend. Not better or worse just not as much to my taste, but certainly of championship standard. I also had the chance last year to hear the Illinois Brass Band whilst on a UK tour, again the musicianship of the band was very good and the concert was enjoyable and once again the sound of the band was subtly different to that of a comparable (1st Section) British Band. Why the difference? I've no idea. infact there was a certain freshness to the sound of the US bands.. vive la difference!! Regards Kevan Lomas Bass Trombone Warrington England Nil significat nisi oscillat kevan.lomas@virgin.net ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 20:16:07 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Yet another lesson book thread Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed That raises the obvious question. Is Arbans any better on Prozac? I didn?t know that you weren?t supposed to read through Arbans, when on Prozac. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:24:20 -0500 From: "John McVey" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: IGSOY.... Message-ID: <002101c0a744$97f05a60$79432dd8@mhjlm00> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tommy Dorsey Standards: I'm Getting Sentimental Over You, Song of India, and Marie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 2:54 PM Subject: Re: IGSOY.... > Ok so you figured out what they were. What are they??? > > > > beldon wade > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 12:41:11 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: IGSOY.... Message-ID: <3AA69CE7.C570A193@bcsd.k12.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Acronyms. Gary ============================================================= BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com wrote: > > Ok so you figured out what they were. What are they??? > > beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 15:53:45 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Yet another lesson book thread Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010307154729.01edbea0@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:16 PM 3/7/2001 +0000, Daniel Pliskin wrote: That raises the obvious question. Is Arbans any better on Prozac? I didn?t know that you weren?t supposed to read through Arbans, when on Prozac. DanP Good point. It recalls the old advertising slogan for Fram oil filters, "Pay me now or pay me later". For a serious reading of Arban's I think it would be most prudent to take a precautionary dose of Prozac BEFORE starting. If you don't need it beforehand, you surely will when you are done. A Guinness preparation won't do any good whatsoever because anybody with any sense would keep on drinking the Guinness and never get to the Arban's. Come to think of it, that is a far better solution all the way around. I can say without any fear of contradiction that you will kill fewer brain cells with 4 pints of Guinness than you would with 20 pages of Arban's. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:14:17 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Ophicleide sold Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 11:04 PM -0600 3/6/01, Joseph Sellmansberger wrote: The "awful-cleide" name, perhaps, came about due to too many musicologists attempting to play the instrument. ;^/ There is a true story about the late Christopher Monk, who was responsible for the modern revival of the serpent: Monk attended a demonstration of the serpent at a museum where a curator spoke disparagingly about the serpent, and who made a point of asserting that the serpent was so badly constructed that it didn't matter what fingers you put over the holes for any note. He then proceded to play two scales, one with correct fingering, and one with moving no fingers. At which point Monk quietly said to the curator, and the assembled crowd, "Yes, it is true you did that, but you played both scales poorly." See the discography at the serpent website at http://shoga.wwa.com/~ocleide/ for a list of excellent recordings of serpent and ophicleide. In the hands of one who knows how, these historic instruments give a unique sound which can be replaced by no other instrument, and they are more than just "charming," they had a pedagogy and repertoire developed with them in mind which is well worth exploring. -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: 07 Mar 2001 16:13:45 -0500 From: Peter_Eiden@prenhall.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: IGSOY.... Message-ID: <"/GUID:QQ5wAmzQT1RGZNgBgCI2PYQ*/G=Peter/S=Eiden/OU=exchange/O=pearsontc/PRMD=pearson/ADMD=telemail/C=us/"@MHS> Song of India Marie -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 1:51 PM To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: IGSOY.... OK, brain kicked in - I figured out IGSOY, TD and even GR. But SOI and M? Thomas J. Huelsmann Director of Bands Park High School 8040 80th St S Cottage Grove MN 55016 -----Original Message----- From: jimandcat@juno.com [SMTP:jimandcat@juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 10:31 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Arbans book On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:42:42 -0000 "Adrian Drover" writes: > >>>>>>> Jim P. : "After all, what we have gotten in the habit of calling a bass trombone is actually a tenor-bass trombone. You basically have to have all the same skills as a tenor trombonist in most of the same range." > >>>>>>> > > I disagree. The bass trombone, although the same length as the > tenor > without the F extension, is a larger instrument. As such, it > should > specialize in a lower register. Although it is technically possible > to play > IGSOY on the bass in the same register as TD, what's the point? It > sounds > better in the GR register. > > A. For sure, and I would rather play in the GR register all the time. But most of my playing is in or just above the staff. Big band bass trombone is about the only place (other than trombone ensembles) where the bass trombone ONLY plays in the first 4 partials. In the orchestral repertoire only about 30 pieces even require the 3rd trombone player to go below low E. Many times the bass trombone plays unison with the tenors on the melodic lines. I'm playing with the SD Chamber Orchestra the next 2 weeks and none of the 5 Copland compositions or the Ellington ("New World a-Comin' ") require the 3rd to use a trigger. In fact the Ellington requires the 3rd to play in tenor clef up to a high Bb. (Thankfully we're also doing Bernstein's "Chichester Psalms", which has a great bass trombone part, but it also goes above the staff.) Some of the touring Broadway musicals I have done lately have only a bass trombone part, going from pedals to the 6th; 7th, or 8th partials. The recent solos ("Barnacle Bill", Ewazen, Seikmann and others) for bass trombone require full command from lowest pedals to 8th partial (and above). I think it is mistake to think of the bass trombone only as a "slide tuba". Its beauty and power in the upper register is a musical asset, not liability. Most of the exercises in Arban's lie between low E and 6th partial F, the same range as most music written for 3rd trombone. Of course we should be accomplished below the staff for many reasons (three of them being it sounds great, it's fun to play, and we do often function as the "tuba"), but even GR's solos are usually in the staff and a little above. P.S. I have often been hired to play dance jobs as the only trombone and I have often played IGSOY in the original key, as well as SOI and M, on my Bach 50 (Gasp!) and it sounded fine. If I were starting over I would have a small tenor double, not necessary right now. Jim Prindle Big Trombone I think ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:59:41 EST From: Auxbone@aol.com To: love_camaros@hotmail.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Rochuts Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/6/01 10:38:02 PM Central Standard Time, love_camaros@hotmail.com writes: << Gee. Sounds like you've got an axe to grind. Shaddup and go practice. JC >> Dear John Clark, Thank you for your advice. You are indeed very wise. Stan ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:06:06 -0600 From: "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" To: "'glangfur@yahoo.com'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: paid to play was RE: brass band pay scale Message-ID: <587F49FABBEDD411A68F00A0C9EA313B5FC8D0@DASMTHKHN561.AMEDD.ARMY.MIL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0A75B.307D3B70" A bit behind in my reading, but I would like to point out that Gabe's feelings about performing with others, matching his talent level, getting into a situation where there is a healthy quid pro quo (for him)is not unique to music. I can't say there are a lot of amateur physician groups to join in my spare time, but I am also a professional administrator. I give many hours to groups and boards where there are amateur administrators. I do this because I love the cause they represent. But I sometimes find it is difficult to watch the level of management some of these amateurs bring to the group. Sometimes it drives me out, sometimes I regret getting involved. My conception is that this is not much different from what Gabe is saying about professional and amateur musicians. As an amateur musician invited into the professional world once in a while, I try to keep this dynamic in mind. Bottom line, we all continue to do the things that pay enough or please us enough to make the spending of our time worthwhile, the quid pro quo for our own enjoyment and development. Rick Marple San Antonio TX -----Original Message----- From: Gabriel Langfur [mailto:glangfur@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 2:42 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: paid to play was RE: brass band pay scale ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: 07 Mar 2001 18:17:35 -0500 From: Peter_Eiden@prenhall.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Brass Bands/BBoBC Message-ID: <"/GUID:QuaQAmzQT1RGZNgBgCI2PYQ*/G=Peter/S=Eiden/OU=exchange/O=pearsontc/PRMD=pearson/ADMD=telemail/C=us/"@MHS> Last Feb (2000) I had to go to Bermuda for a conference with my corporation. With flight option s so limited, I decided to go home the next day - wise move. I went looking for things to do, hoping for maybe the police band or something like that, and came across Black Dyke playing at the Bermuda Festival. Best $20 I ever spent. What a band, and a very fun program. Took a couple of skeptical work colleagues (I suspect were expecting Sousa) with me, and brought them out converts. Next day, before I went to the airport, I wandered into a bar in Hamilton for lunch, and ended up having a drink with the solo cornet player and solo euphonium (one of the Child's brothers sons). Certainly made a first class finale to a mediocre conference! Pete Eiden -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 3:16 PM To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Brass Bands/BBoBC Hello the list I had the good luck to hear the BBoBC when they were in Manchester during their UK tour in 1998. The Concert was a joint one with the Fairey Engineering Band (no jokes please) At that time Fairey were the British Open Champions. The concert was a real musical treat. At the time I thought the BBoBC gave an excellent performance, however the sound from the BBoBC was, to my mind at least, subtly different to that of Fairey's in terms of balance and blend. Not better or worse just not as much to my taste, but certainly of championship standard. I also had the chance last year to hear the Illinois Brass Band whilst on a UK tour, again the musicianship of the band was very good and the concert was enjoyable and once again the sound of the band was subtly different to that of a comparable (1st Section) British Band. Why the difference? I've no idea. infact there was a certain freshness to the sound of the US bands.. vive la difference!! Regards Kevan Lomas Bass Trombone Warrington England Nil significat nisi oscillat kevan.lomas@virgin.net ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:45:38 -0600 From: "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" To: "'yeo@yeodoug.com'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Ewald Symphony for Brass Message-ID: <587F49FABBEDD411A68F00A0C9EA313B5FC8D2@DASMTHKHN561.AMEDD.ARMY.MIL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0A760.B64FB570" I'll second Doug's opinion on the Sine Qua Non LP. If you ever see it, pick it up. Look for a blue bordered cover with a tranquil scene in the middle (best I can do, it's at home!). My second choice would be a BIS CD-613 "The Sound of St. Petersburg" by the Stockholm Chamber Brass. On this CD you will find Ewalds Brass Quintet No.1 Op.5, No.2, Op.6, Brass Quintet No.3 and No.4, --yes an ALL Ewald CD. Very nicely played IMHO with Jonas Bylund on trombone. If you search for it, remember to spell the non-American way, "Evald". BTW, I was once told that Ewald wrote this piece originally for string quartet or quintet, and it nicely made the transition to brass. Does anyone know if this is true? Rick Marple San Antonio TX -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Yeo [mailto:yeo@yeodoug.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 5:46 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Ewald Symphony for Brass >#1 - Is there a recommended recording of the piece I could purchase >to help with my learning curve? The Empire Brass recording of the Ewald Quintets 1-3 was one of their first - perhaps their very first (on Sine Qua Non LP, long out of print) and I've always thought it to be their best. Norman Bolter was playing trombone in the group at the time and the playing of all of the members is absolutely on the edge, white hot. Worth looking for in used shops, I've never heard of it appearing on CD. -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:51:14 -0600 From: "Emil & Cynthia Orth" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: yet another trombone case question Message-ID: <04c501c0a761$7eff49e0$82731818@midsouth.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Dan..I believe you can get a ProTec case to do what your'e looking for. They usually run about $95. I have three and have flown all over the U.S. on all kinds of comm'l airlines and have never had to give it up at the gate. They'll fit in almost all overheads. ProTec makes a case for the small tenor sizes, i.e. 3B, Bach 16's Yamaha 691, etc. They also make one a little larger and more rectangular for the larger 42's or 50's. They are all made of some kind of lightweight stiff stuff and covered with a black material and are very durable. Zipper closure. I hope this helps. They sure do work for me. Emil Orth Beale St. Jazz Band. Memphis, Tn. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 16:23:31 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Etudes Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010307162046.00ad3f00@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:34 AM 3/7/01 -0500, David Buckley blasted the following out into the ether: You can sure tell who the old guys are on this list. Dave. WHAT THE...?!? I had no idea there were any "no-code Techs" on this list! Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:needhame@yucca.net (or mailto:kd5xb@amsat.org which is really mailto:kd5xb@[128.54.16.15] ) Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446m W103d 12.700m (or so) NEW Pet peeve: People who get themselves on a mailing list and then can't figure out how to get OFF the list. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 16:30:32 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Yet another lesson book thread Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010307162936.00c09840@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:09 PM 3/7/01 -0500, Craig Parmerlee blasted the following out into the ether: That raises the obvious question. Is Arbans any better on Prozac? Never tried that, but I can play from Arbans absolutely GORGEOUSLY after about 4 G*******'s. Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:needhame@yucca.net (or mailto:kd5xb@amsat.org which is really mailto:kd5xb@[128.54.16.15] ) Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446m W103d 12.700m (or so) NEW Pet peeve: People who get themselves on a mailing list and then can't figure out how to get OFF the list. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:55:26 -0600 From: "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" To: "'richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: circus bands Message-ID: <587F49FABBEDD411A68F00A0C9EA313B5FC8D3@DASMTHKHN561.AMEDD.ARMY.MIL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0A762.14C48170" Tim: Come-on down to San Antonio next Rodeo season and hear our excellent circus band! (You just missed it in February). They are top players and they accompany the bronco riders mostly, which means you only get about 4-6 seconds of double-time double-time, but what bliss for those 4-6 seconds. Boy do those slides move fast! and oh yeah, those cowboys ride pretty good too. Rick Marple San Antonio TX -----Original Message----- From: Richardson, Tim [mailto:richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 7:01 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: circus bands I am insanely jealous. However i confidently assert there is at most one circus in the US with one trombone layer. The rest use a scratch cassette tape, a karaoke box, or possibly one player (I can't say musican) on a fancy keyboard. If I'm wrong tell me, I'll go this weekend and take the kids, whatever it costs. Definitely none of the ones that ever tour anywhere near me bring a band. yours, tim richardson > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Drover [SMTP:slide.rule@adios.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 3:41 AM > To: Steve Beck; Trombones and related issues forum. > Subject: Re: paid to play was RE: brass band pay scale - amateur > skill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Beck" > To: "Trombones and related issues forum." > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 9:14 PM > Subject: Re: paid to play was RE: brass band pay scale - amateur skill > > > > From: "Richardson, Tim Of course the circus band > > > tradition is dead now. > > > > It is? I play in one next Sunday. It's a riot. > > > > You know, a trombone really can make an elephant charge. > > I played in a touring circus band for about a year. The band stand was > above the ring entrance. The elephants thought it was fun to lift the > stage > up while they were awaiting their turn to perform. That's probably the > most > dangerous gig I've ever played. > > A. > > Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) > Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk > Business: studio@adios.co.uk > www.adios.co.uk > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 17:56:35 -0600 From: "E. P. LUKAS" To: thuelsma@sowashco.k12.mn.us, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Arbans book Message-ID: <3AA6CAB3.C945B1DA@bigfoot.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Huelsmann, Tom" wrote: > > I give up: what are IGSOY, GR and M? > I'm Getting Sentimental Over You (the song title) George Roberts M? ITFM - In the Friggin Mood (Most requested big band tune) -- Ernie Paul Lukas Trombonist, Publicist Bartlett Community Concert Band Memphis,TN USA ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:17:14 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: needhame@yucca.net, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Yet another lesson book thread Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After four G*****s vrythinng getss gorjuss. Even that stubby non sliding instrumnt trmpt that would like to grow up to be a trmbne beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:36:09 -0800 From: jimandcat@juno.com To: thuelsma@sowashco.k12.mn.us Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: IGSOY.... Message-ID: <20010307.184700.-457261.4.Jimandcat@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 12:46:08 -0600 "Huelsmann, Tom" writes: > OK, brain kicked in - I figured out IGSOY, TD and even GR. But SOI > and M? > "Song of India" and "Marie" , other high-range tunes TD was known for besides IGSOY Jim Prindle ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:50:46 -0600 From: "Edwin Miller" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Ewald Symphony for Brass Message-ID: <003701c0a77a$9785f040$0102a8c0@millerhouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have the old Empire Brass recording and it is good (I've worn the grooves down), but I prefer the Swedish Brass recording. The group just plays together like a single organism with a common intent about what they are trying to say. To me, there is so much more passion to the Swedish reading of the Ewald. It's flashy but it really evokes the romantic leanings of the composer. Also, the fluid phrasing of the group is really something to behold. Of the brass quintet "chestnuts" on the Swedish Brass recording, the Ewald seems to be the most effective, although every track on there sets a standard in my opinion. There is so much phrasing as a group, sort of like, well, a really well prepared chamber ensemble that "really cares". The dynamic ranges and sensitivity to the oft-underestimated slow movements are inspiring in their ability to draw so much of the hidden music in Ewald. Just wanted to say ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 22:13:36 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: Subject: Re: Yet another lesson book thread Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010307220857.01eb55e8@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:17 PM 3/7/2001 -0500, BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com wrote: After four G*****s vrythinng getss gorjuss. Even that stubby non sliding instrumnt trmpt that would like to grow up to be a trmbne See. There's my point. Beldon is feeling just fine after his 4 pints. In the morning he will be perfectly normal. If he had read 20 pages of Arban's, he would be walking around in a trance for the next 3 weeks. Guinness versus Arban's. It is no contest really. :) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 22:52:40 -0600 From: Clingo To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Ophicleide sold Message-ID: <3AA71018.391436AC@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Wonder if 150-200 years from now someone will be saying these things about Shires w/Greenhoes, Bach 50s and Yamaha 622s... Corey >In the hands of one who knows how, these > historic instruments give a unique sound which can be replaced by no > other instrument, and they are more than just "charming," they had a > pedagogy and repertoire developed with them in mind which is well > worth exploring. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 23:01:22 -0600 From: "Jon Bohls" To: "Trombone-l" Subject: Kansas City area Message-ID: <20010308050339.CLQO6288.femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[65.10.43.95]> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Is there someone on the list that has some knowledge about the Kansas City area? I need information about schools and private teachers. I have a student that is moving to Overland Park at the end of the month. Could you please email me so I can ask you some questions? Thanks Jon Bohls ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972 Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:20:09 +0200 From: eanogmus@netvision.net.il (Eliezer Aharoni) To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Haim Avitzur's Recital Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Haim Avitzur, Israeli trombone soloist and trombone instructor in Qeens college, N.Y, will play a recital on March 18, 2001 at 3:00 pm. It will be part of Music Under Construction on 10 East 18th Street, NYC. Haim will be playing Haim Alexander's Shur Dodi for trombone and piano; Ofer Ben Amotz's Prophetic Tropes for trombone and piano; Gerald Cohen's Preludes and Debka for trombone and string quartet; Serjiu Natra's Sonatine for Trombone solo; and a world premiere by David Tcimpidis - A Night Out for Trombone and Tape. Admission is $12. Student $10. With me are the Degas String Quartet and Kyle Adams, Piano. For more information please visit - http://www.theconstructioncompany.org/ec01.html For reservations please call 212-924-7882 Eliezer Aharoni, Bass Trombonist, Jerusalem Symphony POB 1066 Mevaseret Zion ISRAEL 90805 Phone 972-2-5341333 ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1972--