TROMBONE-L Digest 1967 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) test by sabutin@mindspring.com 2) RE: BAM Case Question by Peter_Eiden@prenhall.com 3) Re: Tomasi in Amsterdam by mploumen@dolfijn.nl (mathijs ploumen) 4) RE: Tomasi in Amsterdam by "Wessner, John" 5) Re: Is Guinness considered trombone content? by REOnofreyJ@aol.com 6) RE: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion by "Richardson, Tim" 7) re: Is Guinness considered trombone content? by "Tom C. Shaddox" 8) Most Important Solo Rep. by "Bart Roberts" 9) Re: BAM Bass Trombone Case by "Douglas A. Rowe" 10) Re: Most Important Solo Rep. by "Steven Greenall" 11) Re: Most Important Solo Rep. by "Tim Dowling" 12) RE: Most Important Solo Rep. by "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> 13) Re: lost etudes by "Chuck De Paolo" 14) RE: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion by "Daniel Cloutier" 15) Re: BAM Bass Trombone Case by Gabriel Langfur 16) RE: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion by sabutin@mindspring.com 17) Binak 495 for slides by jimandcat@juno.com 18) Re: Binak 495 for slides by "Daniel Pliskin" 19) RE: Most Important Solo Rep. - Takemitsu Concerto by "Holst, Bill" 20) Re: Most Important Solo Rep. by TheAcrobat8@aol.com 21) RE: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion by "Brad Howland" 22) Re: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion by "Phil Burton" 23) Re: lost etudes by Tbcwes@aol.com 24) The American Trombone-my method book (was Re: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion) by sabutin@mindspring.com 25) RE: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion by "Huelsmann, Tom" 26) Re: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion by sabutin@mindspring.com 27) re: most important solo rep by "Chuck De Paolo" 28) Off Topic - Guiness Beer Bottle Organ by "Chuck De Paolo" 29) Re: lost etudes by "Chuck De Paolo" 30) ISU Trombone Workshop by Stephen Parsons 31) TromboneDay2001 by John Lavoie 32) JJ Johnson Retrospective in this Months Instrumentalist by "Bart Roberts" 33) While you're talking about solos by "Thomas Smee" 34) Re: Romeo & Juliet Suite No. 2 by "Thomas Smee" 35) Musical question by "Richard Human, Jr." 36) re: INFLUENTIAL method books by Jay Heltzer 37) Re: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion by "Dave Wank" 38) Re: Off Topic - Guiness Beer Bottle Organ by "Adrian Drover" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 07:09:29 -0500 From: sabutin@mindspring.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: test Message-ID: <200103021220.HAA06041@smtp6.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" test ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: 02 Mar 2001 07:41:16 -0500 From: Peter_Eiden@prenhall.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: BAM Case Question Message-ID: <"/GUID:QxitJMZIO1RGZNgBgCI2PYQ*/G=Peter/S=Eiden/OU=exchange/O=pearsontc/PRMD=pearson/ADMD=telemail/C=us/"@MHS> Randy -- It is a 'potential' dripper. The open ends of the slide are at the same end as the bell flare. That said, the slide is recessed into the lid of the case. It seems to me that because of the recess, the open ends of the slide would drip into the case material before dripping into the bell. So far (2 days into it) I haven't seen any drips on the bell. I have an old french-style case for my Bach 16. In that case, only the mouthpiece receiver would drip onto the bell; the other end (bell connection) butted up against a piece of the case. I kept a small cork in the case (like from a test tube) and just stuck it into the leadpipe opening. Worked OK for years. Pete Eiden peter_eiden@prenhall.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 5:58 PM To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: BAM Case Question Regarding the BAM bass case: does the slide drip water on the bell flare when in the case--is the bottom of the slide up at the bell flare end or the other end? Thanks, -Randy Campora ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Randy Campora, Bass Trombonist Baltimore Symphony Orchestra Peabody Conservatory of Music campora@peabody.jhu.edu 410-461-1984 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:42:31 +0100 (MET) From: mploumen@dolfijn.nl (mathijs ploumen) To: Subject: Re: Tomasi in Amsterdam Message-ID: <200103021242.NAA06947@hardcore.l3.ilse.nl> Content-Description: Mail sent by: mathijs ploumen (mploumen@dolfijn.nl) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit For those, able to receive dutch radio, the performance will be broadcasted at 20.01 tonight(friday) at Radio 4. Kind regards, Mathijs Ploumen > This evening I attended a super performance of the Tomasi > trombone concerto played by Jšrgen van Reijen (principal of > the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra) and his own Orchestra in > the Concertgebouw, Amsterdam. > > Jšrgen, who is also teacher at my Conservatory in Rotterdam and won > the Quebwiller Competition last year, played the concerto in a beautiful > French style and his wonderful sound, wich was a treat for the ears in the > super accoustics of the Concertgebouw, made the listeners melt and he > got a well deserved ovation from both audions and orchestra-members. > > I know Jšrgen now for many years and play with him quit often, during > the ITF2000 we played the Nick Woud Dances and will repeat this coming > may for the Dutch Radio in the Concertgebouw. > He has grown into one > of the finest solists I know. His style matches very closly the style of > Michel Becquet, > he used for this concert the new model of Courtois wich has the right sound > coulors for this French masterpiece. > > I know this young maestro, 25 years young, has plans to make his first > solo-disc very > soon. Be aware, there is a new very musical talented kid on the road. > > All the best, > > Ben van Dijk > Bass trombone > Rotterdam Philharmonic Orchestra > Professor Rotterdam Conservatory > www.basstrombone.nl > mailto:ben@basstrombone.nl > > > ______________________________________________________________ Gratis e-mail en meer: http://www.dolfijn.nl/ ilse weet nu ook alles van muziek! http://ilsemusic.ilse.nl/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 08:20:09 -0500 From: "Wessner, John" To: "'Ben@basstrombone.nl'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Tomasi in Amsterdam Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0A31B.817F4520" Just a note to report that Chris Dudley acquitted himself with excellence Wednesday night here in Baltimore, when he played the piece with our Baltimore Chamber Orchestra. I didn't see a review in yesterday's Sun and I've not had time to look in today's. I've predicted that a comment will be made on how much better it sounded without the music in front of him. Another comment is that I really felt old when he came out. jw -----Original Message----- From: Ben van Dijk [mailto:Ben@basstrombone.nl] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 5:37 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Tomasi in Amsterdam This evening I attended a super performance of the Tomasi trombone concerto played by Jšrgen van Reijen (principal of the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra) and his own Orchestra in the Concertgebouw, Amsterdam. Jšrgen, who is also teacher at my Conservatory in Rotterdam and won the Quebwiller Competition last year, played the concerto in a beautiful French style and his wonderful sound, wich was a treat for the ears in the super accoustics of the Concertgebouw,Êmade theÊlisteners melt and he got a well deserved ovation from both audions and orchestra-members. I know Jšrgen now for many years and play with him quit often, during the ITF2000 we played the Nick Woud Dances and will repeat this coming may for the Dutch Radio in the Concertgebouw. He has grown into one of the finest solists I know. His style matches very closly the style of Michel Becquet, he used for this concert the new model of Courtois wich has the right sound coulors for this French masterpiece. I know this young maestro, 25 years young, has plans to make his first solo-disc very soon. Be aware, there is a new very musical talented kid on the road. All the best, Ben van Dijk Bass trombone Rotterdam Philharmonic Orchestra Professor Rotterdam Conservatory www.basstrombone.nl mailto:ben@basstrombone.nl ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 08:54:09 EST From: REOnofreyJ@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Is Guinness considered trombone content? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e3.1114dc5d.27d10001_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline Is Guinness considered trombone content? I would suggest that it is not. ÊFirst, you have to pour it really slowly. Ê Second, once the trombone is full, it makes it very difficult to play. Rick Onofrey ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 09:56:44 -0500 From: "Richardson, Tim" To: "'Bart Roberts'" , Trombone List Subject: RE: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion Message-ID: <21E592FA8BA7D311B5B100062B001FE206F12BA1@LEE2> There are hundreds of exercise books. My vote for texts with substance would be only three. Fink, Farkas, and Yeo/Kleinhammer. The titles are something like Art of Trombone Playing. or Art of Brass Playing for the Farkas book. I think all trombone players should have those three basic texts. That's Reginald Fink, Philip Farkas, and Doug Yeo. It wouldn't hurt to add Tom Ervin's Range Building, Bill Watrous's Trombonisms, and McChesney's Doodle-Tonguing. Plenty of etude books out there. I would think everyone should own the Rouchut/Bordogni, one low range like the Kopprasch, and one with some technique, like either Arban's or what I'm using now, the Herbert Clark. I'm working the Rochut Book #3 right now, I've owned it for decades but only in the last month started to play them - because I couldn't, they were just too hard. Guess I'm making some progress. Those would be enough with the addition of course of the standard solo repertoire. Please make this the next thread - what are the top 10 standard solos/concertos everyone should own? Maybe ranked in rough order of difficulty? Send answer quick, I'll buy what I don't have at ETW in two weeks. thanks, Tim Richardson > -----Original Message----- > From: Bart Roberts [SMTP:bmroberts@iquest.net] > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 9:31 PM > To: Trombone List > Subject: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion > > Dear List, > > I am curious to what many of you think are the 10 most influential > trombone > books (excerpt, etude, technique, etc.) > > Thanks > > Bart Roberts > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 09:09:51 -0600 From: "Tom C. Shaddox" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: re: Is Guinness considered trombone content? Message-ID: <3A9FB7BF.97BAA8B6@fnc.fujitsu.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David wrote in part: >"It was terrible, Brenda. He fell into a vat of Guiness Stout and >drowned." As W. C. Fields said about a similar situation, "Oh Death, were is thy sting?" Tom Shaddox, 9th chair tenor ljshaddo@gte.net ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:07:35 -0500 From: "Bart Roberts" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Most Important Solo Rep. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear List, Ok so I started a topic about books. Now lets dive into solo repertoire and ensemble rep. Lets just use the top ten idea as a reference. What do you think are the 10 standard solos/concertos of the trombone rep. Also what do you think are the top 10 ensemble pieces written for trombone. I am curiously awaiting your responses. Bart Roberts Ball State University Muncie, Indiana ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 09:34:39 -0600 From: "Douglas A. Rowe" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: BAM Bass Trombone Case Message-ID: <3A9FBD8F.902158E0@stolaf.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A second question about the BAM bass trombone case: For anyone who is familiar with the Altieri instrument cases (which, in my understanding, have by far the best slide protection, ableit other weaknesses), how does the BAM case's slide protection compare? Equal? Better? Worse? Thanks, dug -- ______________________________________________ Douglas A. Rowe Bass Trombone rowed@stolaf.edu **************************************** "Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." -Robert Louis Stevenson ***************************************** http://www.stolaf.edu/people/rowed/ _________________________________________________ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:47:13 -0000 From: "Steven Greenall" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Re: Most Important Solo Rep. Message-ID: <005b01c0a330$0d31d060$ef11fea9@steve> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you came to the UK and listened to brass bands playing in the parks over the summer, you'd most likely hear The Acrobat by J.A. Greenwood nine times out of ten :-) Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bart Roberts" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 3:07 PM Subject: Most Important Solo Rep. > Dear List, > > Ok so I started a topic about books. Now lets dive into solo repertoire and > ensemble rep. > > Lets just use the top ten idea as a reference. What do you think are the 10 > standard solos/concertos of the trombone rep. > > Also what do you think are the top 10 ensemble pieces written for trombone. > > I am curiously awaiting your responses. > > Bart Roberts > Ball State University > Muncie, Indiana > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:02:19 +0100 From: "Tim Dowling" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Most Important Solo Rep. Message-ID: <000b01c0a332$2bda6840$850540d4@xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bart Roberts" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 4:07 PM Subject: Most Important Solo Rep. > Dear List, > > Ok so I started a topic about books. Now lets dive into solo repertoire and > ensemble rep. > > Lets just use the top ten idea as a reference. What do you think are the 10 > standard solos/concertos of the trombone rep. > Here's my personal list of the 10 most significant solos Cesare La Hieronyma Albrechtsberger Concerto David Concertino Saint-Saens Cavatine Martin Ballade Hindemith Sonata Creston Fantasy Serocki Sonatine Tomasi Concerto Rouse Concerto I personally think that the Rouse is the finest concerto we have. At least that's how I felt after Joe Alessi's performance in Utrecht last year. Without doubt the a moving and exciting piece to hear live. I'm not so crazy about David, but you can't argue it's significance in trombone solo history. And I think there are better French (conservatoire) solos than Saint Saens. Like Salzedo or Gaubert, for instance. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:02:43 -0600 From: "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Most Important Solo Rep. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit May I modestly remind the list that I have published extensive work on the subject? ("Yes, you may. But can you do it modestly?) ok ok. In any case, here 'tis. I have two articles on the subject, one in OTJ: http://www.trombone.org/articles/library/recitalrep.asp Over a 25-year period, the top 10 recital pieces in the programs published in the ITA Journal were: 1. Hindemith Sonata (214 performances) 2. Sulek Sonata (204) 3. Wagenseil Concerto (188) 4. Serocki Sonatina (171) 5. Larsson Concertino (169) 6. Casterede Sonatine (166) 7. Gr¿ndahl Concerto (165) 8. Saint Saens Cavatine (149) 9. David Concertino (127) 10. Defaye Deux danses (121) Of course, our repertoire is not a static thing. When the 25 year period is broken down into 5-year periods, each one of them has a different top 10 list. The top spot is either the Hindemith, the Sulek, or the Gr¿ndahl. The top 10 pieces in the first of these 5-year periods (up to May 1978) includes only four of the pieces listed above. It also includes two pieces that had almost completely disappeared from the recital programs by the time of the last 5-year period (1993-1997). A lot of inferences can be made from the tables in this article. I focus more explicitly on changes at the top in my other article on the subject: "Twenty-five Years of Trombone Recitals: An Examination of Programs Published by the International Trombone Association." ITA Journal 27 (Winter 1999): pp. 22-29. ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ David Guion, Cataloger John Marshall Law School 315 S. Plymouth Ct. Chicago, IL 60604 Voice: (312) 427-2737 x 552 Fax; (312) 427-8307 Should part-time band directors be called semi-conductors? ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:23:05 -0500 From: "Chuck De Paolo" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: lost etudes Message-ID: <008e01c0a335$0f5d2290$0200a8c0@ws2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert et al, Those would be the Cimera 55 Phrasing Studies. They're still in print (our number 02344) and sell for $6.95. The "EL" number is an old Belwin catalog number and is a dead giveaway. (please quote this message if you reply) In Music, ---Chuck General Manager & Webmaster Hickey's Music Center 104 Adams Street Ithaca, NY 14850 607.272.8262 (Phone) 607.272.2203 (Fax) chuck@hickeys.com (E-Mail) http://www.hickeys.com (Website) http://www.weather.com/weather/us/zips/14850.html (Weather) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert A Bates" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 8:53 PM Subject: lost etudes > I have some tattered remains of an etude book. My teacher gave them to > me a 1/4 century ago.They are legato short and simple.They are not Fink > or Rouchut.Every page has the # EL 1253.Can any one come up with a > title? > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 08:29:15 -0800 From: "Daniel Cloutier" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion Message-ID: <200103021629.IAA10310@mail21.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 Bart Roberts [SMTP:bmroberts@iquest.net] wrote: >I am curious to what many of you think are the 10 most influential >trombone books (excerpt, etude, technique, etc.) In no particular order (except Rochut) Rochut Marsteller Schlossberg Bozza Blazhevich Mueller Maxted Bitsch Vernon Wick ------------------------------------------------------------ --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 08:30:57 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: BAM Bass Trombone Case Message-ID: <20010302163057.47990.qmail@web10305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Given that I think the Altieri slide pocket is way overkill, I'll say I think the BAM case seems to do just as good a job of slide protection. One of the reasons the BAM case works, I think, is that everything fits really snugly. If you accidentally pick up the case by one handle with the zipper open, the bell section will probably fall out (and they could probably prevent that from happening with a velcro strap, which would then wear away the finish, so I'm not sure it's worth it), but the slide will stay put, and because it's recessed into its compartment, I don't think the bell could fall into it and damage it. The mouthpiece maybe could if you keep it in the little tube, but I wouldn't do that anyway. Gabe --- "Douglas A. Rowe" wrote: > A second question about the BAM bass trombone case: > > For anyone who is familiar with the Altieri instrument cases (which, > in > my understanding, have by far the best slide protection, ableit other > weaknesses), how does the BAM case's slide protection compare? > Equal? > Better? Worse? > > Thanks, > dug > -- > ______________________________________________ > Douglas A. Rowe Bass Trombone > > > rowed@stolaf.edu > > **************************************** > > "Keep your fears to yourself, but share > your courage with others." > > -Robert Louis Stevenson > > ***************************************** > > http://www.stolaf.edu/people/rowed/ > _________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 11:35:13 -0500 From: sabutin@mindspring.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion Message-ID: <200103021646.LAA01980@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The predominance of the Rochut books is a sad commentary on the paucity of trombone literature and/or the generally unimaginative/lazy mindset of trombonists. There is nothing WRONG w/the Bordogni/Rochut etudes...they're just Bb versions of a style of playing that was extant for a few years in the 1800s. Why don't we play the Mozart horn concerti? The Cello Suites (and other pieces) by Bach? Why not simply play the great operatic arias? Why not the vast American popular song book? Why not transcribe the great jazz soloists? Flute music, violin music, trumpet, clarinet, oboe? Just go into any french horn, vocal or cello section in your local music store...there are HUNDREDS of pieces available, almost all w/in the technical possibility of the trombone BETTER than the Rochuts. Sure you may have to transpose a little or switch clefs. So what...it's GOOD for you. Opens your ears. Yeah, maybe you'll have to simplify a little...go ahead, it's only a trombone... ENOUGH w/this Rochut...it's good, but it's not THAT good. Later... S. You want to really LEARN something...transcribe some Miles Davis, Lester Young, Frank Sinatra, Billie Holiday or Sonny Rollins. (All of 'em are mostly simple enough to play on the trombone...well, Sonny got carried away now and then, but even 90% of his music is really fairly easy on the trombone, once you realize that there are more than 3 positions available on the horn above middle Bb and stop grabbing your bell every time you go past 3rd position. Really. Trust me.) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 08:40:45 -0800 From: jimandcat@juno.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Binak 495 for slides Message-ID: <20010302.084616.-29775.16.Jimandcat@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since I used up my Slide-O-Mix the other day I decided to try Binak since I add a couple of bottles due to Nan's generous offer last year. (2 for 1). It works good on valves, I transferred it to a needle oiler to make it less drippy. I throughly cleaned inner/outer slides 2 days ago and have been trying various amounts. Started with 1 drop, then 2, and even the recommended "thin line". It works good for about 5 minutes, then I get a lot of slide drag. I've been wiping it off and reapplying, even cleaned the inner slide over. I know this was discussed before, when the Search gets running on the archives at OTJ I'll look for it. Anyway, anybody have some recommendations? Do I need to give it time to work into the clean slide? How long? How much? Does water help with it? (I have an Edwards dual bore bass slide, excellent condition). Thanks Jim Prindle ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 17:18:10 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Binak 495 for slides Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I throughly cleaned inner/outer slides 2 days ago and have been trying various amounts. Started with 1 drop, then 2, and even the recommended "thin line". It works good for about 5 minutes, then I get a lot of slide drag. I've been wiping it off and reapplying, even cleaned the inner slide over. I know this was discussed before, when the Search gets running on the archives at OTJ I'll look for it. I also transferred some BiNaK to a needled bottle and it promptly turned white. About a month later it started smelling like some industrial chemical. I stopped using my needle bottle. I?m not sure whether the BiNaK was picking up moisture from the air or whether it was eating the plastic. The particular bottle, I was using, is made of a white translucent plastic. I?d say that I don?t do anything all that special, with the BiNaK. I use about a drop of BiNaK on each inner slide tube. I drop it directly on the stocking, with the slide in 7th position. Then I move the slide back and forth, between 6th and 7th position, to get the BiNaK distributed on the stocking and to get lots of it spread onto the outer slide, for use in 6th and 7th position. I move the slide from 1st to 7th positions, a few times and, if I haven?t just washed out the outer slide, I spray the slide with a little water. I play about 2 hours a night, on weekdays and about 4 hours a day on weekends. I, at least, rinse out me slide once a week, if not wash it out. I?d say that 1-drop of BiNaK per inner slide tube, lasts me most, if not all, of that week. Now I?ll also add that I have gotten better results with S-o-M, than with BiNaK, but only for periods of about 15 minutes, at the most. Then I needed to do something to keep the slide slippery, add water, add more of the large bottle stuff, whatever. All in all, it started making the trombone seem a way too much like my oboe and English horn?always needing a little something, to keep them going. Well...I suppose I SHOULD be working, so ta ta, DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:19:26 -0700 From: "Holst, Bill" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Cc: "'tdowling@wanadoo.nl'" Subject: RE: Most Important Solo Rep. - Takemitsu Concerto Message-ID: <65B9C0230E16D311B9D600105A090E6F340599@FIR> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Tim, I partial agree with you on your assessment of the Rouse...You wrote: "I personally think that the Rouse is the finest concerto we have. At least that's how I felt after Joe Alessi's performance in Utrecht last year." I heard Joe play it and record in Denver a few years ago. It is a fiendishly difficult piece for both soloist and orchestra; he played it beautifully! However, the music did not really knock me out. It is a difficult piece to listen to. I have the recording, and have only listened to a couple of times. I offer another recommendation to the solo list, Toru Takemitsu«s Trombone Concerto. I heard Christian Lindberg premier this piece with the St. Paul Chamber Orchestra. This is a great piece and should be played and heard! The orchestration is wonderful, full of Ravel-like colors with lots of beautiful percussion effects. The trombone writing is fairly tonal and very lyrical and vocal in style. I believe that this piece, written by a world class composer, represents a major breakthrough for the trombone. I vote it number one! Bill Holst, High Altitude Trombone Quartet www.hatq.org and Colorado Springs Symphony Orchestra -----Original Message----- From: Tim Dowling [mailto:tdowling@wanadoo.nl] Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 9:02 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Most Important Solo Rep. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bart Roberts" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 4:07 PM Subject: Most Important Solo Rep. > Dear List, > > Ok so I started a topic about books. Now lets dive into solo repertoire and > ensemble rep. > > Lets just use the top ten idea as a reference. What do you think are the 10 > standard solos/concertos of the trombone rep. > Here's my personal list of the 10 most significant solos Cesare La Hieronyma Albrechtsberger Concerto David Concertino Saint-Saens Cavatine Martin Ballade Hindemith Sonata Creston Fantasy Serocki Sonatine Tomasi Concerto Rouse Concerto I personally think that the Rouse is the finest concerto we have. At least that's how I felt after Joe Alessi's performance in Utrecht last year. Without doubt the a moving and exciting piece to hear live. I'm not so crazy about David, but you can't argue it's significance in trombone solo history. And I think there are better French (conservatoire) solos than Saint Saens. Like Salzedo or Gaubert, for instance. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:37:21 EST From: TheAcrobat8@aol.com To: Trombone-L@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Most Important Solo Rep. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_db.10f496b5.27d13451_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline Dear All!! ÊÊÊÊÊI'm a new listee, at the moment I'm playing "The Acrobat" "The Winning Spurt" "The Joker" and my new solo is "Blue John" Best Wishes ROB ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:44:50 -0800 From: "Brad Howland" To: "Trombone-L" Subject: RE: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Sabutin, Thanks for the inspiring post. I'm going down to the music store today to get some new music, and start practicing again! Regards, Brad Howland ----------------------------------------------------------------- Trombone, Web Design, Income Tax, Brass Music "Specialization is for insects." ...Robert Heinlein E Mail: bradhowland@netzero.net or bhowland@islandnet.com Web Site: http://www.musicforbrass.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of sabutin@mindspring.com Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 8:35 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: RE: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion The predominance of the Rochut books is a sad commentary on the paucity of trombone literature and/or the generally unimaginative/lazy mindset of trombonists. There is nothing WRONG w/the Bordogni/Rochut etudes...they're just Bb versions of a style of playing that was extant for a few years in the 1800s. Why don't we play the Mozart horn concerti? The Cello Suites (and other pieces) by Bach? Why not simply play the great operatic arias? Why not the vast American popular song book? Why not transcribe the great jazz soloists? Flute music, violin music, trumpet, clarinet, oboe? Just go into any french horn, vocal or cello section in your local music store...there are HUNDREDS of pieces available, almost all w/in the technical possibility of the trombone BETTER than the Rochuts. Sure you may have to transpose a little or switch clefs. So what...it's GOOD for you. Opens your ears. Yeah, maybe you'll have to simplify a little...go ahead, it's only a trombone... ENOUGH w/this Rochut...it's good, but it's not THAT good. Later... S. You want to really LEARN something...transcribe some Miles Davis, Lester Young, Frank Sinatra, Billie Holiday or Sonny Rollins. (All of 'em are mostly simple enough to play on the trombone...well, Sonny got carried away now and then, but even 90% of his music is really fairly easy on the trombone, once you realize that there are more than 3 positions available on the horn above middle Bb and stop grabbing your bell every time you go past 3rd position. Really. Trust me.) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:48:29 -0700 From: "Phil Burton" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion Message-ID: <018601c0a349$5f8ead60$492a1418@grtfls1.mt.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Brad, You might also consider ordering Sam's method book. It is really an excellent addition to any trombone players library. I am sure if you e-mail him directly he can fill you in an the details. Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Howland" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 11:44 AM Subject: RE: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion > Dear Sabutin, > > Thanks for the inspiring post. I'm going down to the music store today to > get some new music, and start practicing again! > > Regards, > Brad Howland > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Trombone, Web Design, Income Tax, Brass Music > "Specialization is for insects." ...Robert Heinlein > E Mail: bradhowland@netzero.net or bhowland@islandnet.com > Web Site: http://www.musicforbrass.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu > [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of > sabutin@mindspring.com > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 8:35 AM > To: Trombones and related issues forum. > Subject: RE: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion > > > The predominance of the Rochut books is a sad commentary on the paucity > of trombone literature and/or the generally unimaginative/lazy mindset of > trombonists. > > There is nothing WRONG w/the Bordogni/Rochut etudes...they're just Bb > versions of a style of playing that was extant for a few years in the 1800s. > > Why don't we play the Mozart horn concerti? > > The Cello Suites (and other pieces) by Bach? > > Why not simply play the great operatic arias? > > Why not the vast American popular song book? > > Why not transcribe the great jazz soloists? > > Flute music, violin music, trumpet, clarinet, oboe? > > Just go into any french horn, vocal or cello section in your local > music store...there are HUNDREDS of pieces available, almost all w/in the > technical possibility of the trombone > > BETTER than the Rochuts. > > Sure you may have to transpose a little or switch clefs. > > So what...it's GOOD for you. Opens your ears. > > Yeah, maybe you'll have to simplify a little...go ahead, it's only a > trombone... > > ENOUGH w/this Rochut...it's good, but it's not THAT good. > > Later... > > S. > > You want to really LEARN something...transcribe some Miles Davis, Lester > Young, Frank Sinatra, Billie Holiday or Sonny Rollins. (All of 'em are > mostly simple enough to play on the trombone...well, Sonny got carried away > now and then, but even 90% of his music is really fairly easy on the > trombone, once you realize that there are more than 3 positions available > on the horn above middle Bb and stop grabbing your bell every time you go > past 3rd position. Really. Trust me.) > > > > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:56:36 EST From: Tbcwes@aol.com To: chuck@hickeys.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: lost etudes Message-ID: <71.b2c8a72.27d146e4@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_71.b2c8a72.27d146e4_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline In a message dated 3/2/01 11:16:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, chuck@hickeys.com writes: Robert et al, Those would be the Cimera 55 Phrasing Studies. ÊThey're still in print (our number 02344) and sell for $6.95. ÊThe "EL" number is an old Belwin catalog number and is a dead giveaway. (please quote this message if you reply) In Music, ---Chuck General Manager & Webmaster Those are the ones. I think they are fantastic! Much better to me than Bordogni. I used them primarily when I changed my emboucher. They worked wonders. Nice little tunes - Wes ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 14:08:11 -0500 From: sabutin@mindspring.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: The American Trombone-my method book (was Re: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion) Message-ID: <200103021920.OAA26243@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" At 11:48 AM 3/2/01 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Brad, > >You might also consider ordering Sam's method book. It is really an >excellent addition to any trombone players library. I am sure if you e-mail >him directly he can fill you in an the details. > >Phil ========================= Thank you Phil... I have been biting my tongue here, for a number of reasons... I'm going to stop biting it now, and speak. Most of the books mentioned so far on this "Most Influential Trombone Books" thread (w/the exception of the Yeo/Kleinhammer collaboration) are decades old information. The Arban's and Rochut are a century old, really. I have no quarrel w/old books...I've used many of these books myself, to great effect...but THERE'S A NEW WORLD OUT THERE. I mean really...whether Western European orchestral style or in the more American approaches...people are playing radically differently than they did even 25 years ago. RADICALLY different. My book is new. I mean REALLY new. Doug Yeo refers to it below as "revolutionary", and I am proud to hear him say that...that is exactly what I meant it to be. I have been trying not to use this list too much as a forum to sell this book, but I guess I've posted enough gratis info here and on the OTJ to give me a little leeway in this department. Here are a few quotes from some people who have seen this book: ========================== Simon Hogg (from Warwick Music, Great Britain's largest trombone and brass publishing house and no slouch as a trombonist himself): "Thanks for the book which arrived today. Congratulations on such a major achievement. I have only had a short time to try and absorb the information, but am seriously impressed by the wealth of knowledge and the common sense (player's) way it is expressed. ...This is a serious book and one to be treasured for many years...a classic publication that could become essential reading for every serious student...brilliant work." ================== Doug Yeo (on his website): "Sam Burtis has also written one of the most useful and comprehensive methods on the trombone called 'The American Trombone'. The product of decades of learning, playing and teaching, and relying heavily on the influences of his teachers (especially Carmine Caruso) and his many role models (including some of the greatest trombonists, especially Jimmy Knepper), Sam's book is not only very good, but it is revolutionary. At over 200 pages, it contains practical advice and exercises designed to help a player reach his potential by systematic and careful LISTENING. The advice he gives...is ...the kind of common sense (which, he often reminds me, "If it's so common, how come so few people do it?!) and practical storytelling which permeates his book. I have found "The American Trombone" to be very helpful not only as I work with my own students, but in my own playing. For information on how to get this book (which is self published by Sam, and as such, deserves the kind of support that only "word of mouth" publicity can generate)..." ==================================== Here is some ad copy from Hickey's Music website: "Sam Burtis, a New York City based trombonist, composer and teacher who has played with such outstanding groups and musicians as The Smithsonian Jazz Masterworks Orchestra, Tito Puente, Charles Mingus, The Lee Konitz Nonet, Chico O'Farrill and the Thad Jones-Mel Lewis Orchestra (now known as the Vanguard Orchestra) has written a trombone method book called The American Trombone. In over 200 pages, this book covers advanced embouchure, tonguing and slide techniques, many of which are based on his years of study with the great brass teacher Carmine Caruso and also his long association with the equally great trombonist Jimmy Knepper. The aim of the book is to produce a total trombone technique that can works equally well in American idioms such as Jazz, Pop and the various Afro-Cuban styles and also in more Western European orchestral situations. If you've read his articles (initially written under the pseudonym Sabutin) on the Online Trombone Journal or taken part in discussions on the internet mailing list trombone-l you're already familiar with some of his concepts. If not, you have a treat waiting for you...this book is totally original, and it's backed up by 25 years of experience playing tenor trombone, bass trombone and tuba in the jazz clubs, recording studios and Broadway pits of New York. Blessed with a keen and analytical mind coupled with a humorous view of the music world in general, Mr. Burtis has produced a book that will be of interest to any serious trombonist." =========================== 'Nuf said...unless some of the trombone listers who have already received the book have anything to add. Contact me for more information. S. Ê Ê Ê ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:24:07 -0600 From: "Huelsmann, Tom" To: "'philroymt@home.com'" Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion Message-ID: <38865632B1D5D4118BD80060977CF885464B31@85-exch.sowashco.k12.mn.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Has anyone mentioned Bona: "Complete Method for Rhythmical Articulation"? Very useful for tonal studies, clef transposition, and devilishly difficult rhythm studies. My college prof had me begin with #62 every lesson for four years, never accepting any hint of inaccuracy of tone or articulation. Thomas J. Huelsmann Director of Bands Park High School 8040 80th St S Cottage Grove MN 55016 -----Original Message----- From: Phil Burton [SMTP:philroymt@home.com] Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 12:48 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion Hi Brad, You might also consider ordering Sam's method book. It is really an excellent addition to any trombone players library. I am sure if you e-mail him directly he can fill you in an the details. Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Howland" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 11:44 AM Subject: RE: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion > Dear Sabutin, > > Thanks for the inspiring post. I'm going down to the music store today to > get some new music, and start practicing again! > > Regards, > Brad Howland > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Trombone, Web Design, Income Tax, Brass Music > "Specialization is for insects." ...Robert Heinlein > E Mail: bradhowland@netzero.net or bhowland@islandnet.com > Web Site: http://www.musicforbrass.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu > [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of > sabutin@mindspring.com > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 8:35 AM > To: Trombones and related issues forum. > Subject: RE: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion > > > The predominance of the Rochut books is a sad commentary on the paucity > of trombone literature and/or the generally unimaginative/lazy mindset of > trombonists. > > There is nothing WRONG w/the Bordogni/Rochut etudes...they're just Bb > versions of a style of playing that was extant for a few years in the 1800s. > > Why don't we play the Mozart horn concerti? > > The Cello Suites (and other pieces) by Bach? > > Why not simply play the great operatic arias? > > Why not the vast American popular song book? > > Why not transcribe the great jazz soloists? > > Flute music, violin music, trumpet, clarinet, oboe? > > Just go into any french horn, vocal or cello section in your local > music store...there are HUNDREDS of pieces available, almost all w/in the > technical possibility of the trombone > > BETTER than the Rochuts. > > Sure you may have to transpose a little or switch clefs. > > So what...it's GOOD for you. Opens your ears. > > Yeah, maybe you'll have to simplify a little...go ahead, it's only a > trombone... > > ENOUGH w/this Rochut...it's good, but it's not THAT good. > > Later... > > S. > > You want to really LEARN something...transcribe some Miles Davis, Lester > Young, Frank Sinatra, Billie Holiday or Sonny Rollins. (All of 'em are > mostly simple enough to play on the trombone...well, Sonny got carried away > now and then, but even 90% of his music is really fairly easy on the > trombone, once you realize that there are more than 3 positions available > on the horn above middle Bb and stop grabbing your bell every time you go > past 3rd position. Really. Trust me.) > > > > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 14:13:46 -0500 From: sabutin@mindspring.com To: "Sandy" Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion Message-ID: <200103021925.OAA21837@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:10 PM 3/2/01 -0600, you wrote: >Dear Sam Burtin, >Please publish your mailing address for your methods book again. Thanks! >Sandra Lewis ================= Sandy... ) Mail a check or money order made out to Sam Burtis (That's Burtis w/an S, Sandy, not a T...) for $49.95 (this includes postage within the US...overseas orders please email me and I'll find out how much to get it to you) to: Sam Burtis PO Box 194 Hastings NY, 10706 Later... Sam ============================ >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: "Trombones and related issues forum." >Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 10:35 AM >Subject: RE: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion > > >> The predominance of the Rochut books is a sad commentary on the paucity >> of trombone literature and/or the generally unimaginative/lazy mindset of >> trombonists. >> >> There is nothing WRONG w/the Bordogni/Rochut etudes...they're just Bb >> versions of a style of playing that was extant for a few years in the >1800s. >> >> Why don't we play the Mozart horn concerti? >> >> The Cello Suites (and other pieces) by Bach? >> >> Why not simply play the great operatic arias? >> >> Why not the vast American popular song book? >> >> Why not transcribe the great jazz soloists? >> >> Flute music, violin music, trumpet, clarinet, oboe? >> >> Just go into any french horn, vocal or cello section in your local >> music store...there are HUNDREDS of pieces available, almost all w/in the >> technical possibility of the trombone >> >> BETTER than the Rochuts. >> >> Sure you may have to transpose a little or switch clefs. >> >> So what...it's GOOD for you. Opens your ears. >> >> Yeah, maybe you'll have to simplify a little...go ahead, it's only a >> trombone... >> >> ENOUGH w/this Rochut...it's good, but it's not THAT good. >> >> Later... >> >> S. >> >> You want to really LEARN something...transcribe some Miles Davis, >Lester >> Young, Frank Sinatra, Billie Holiday or Sonny Rollins. (All of 'em are >> mostly simple enough to play on the trombone...well, Sonny got carried >away >> now and then, but even 90% of his music is really fairly easy on the >> trombone, once you realize that there are more than 3 positions available >> on the horn above middle Bb and stop grabbing your bell every time you go >> past 3rd position. Really. Trust me.) >> >> >> >> >> >> > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:43:49 -0500 From: "Chuck De Paolo" To: "Trombone List" Subject: re: most important solo rep Message-ID: <015601c0a351$1a9f9b80$0200a8c0@ws2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you were to base the top 10 on what is being purchased over the past 5 years, here's what I would say: Sulek Grondahl Ewazen Larsson Serocki David Hindemith Blue Bells Guilmant Massenet (Meditation from Thais) In Music, ---Chuck General Manager & Webmaster Hickey's Music Center 104 Adams Street Ithaca, NY 14850 607.272.8262 (Phone) 607.272.2203 (Fax) chuck@hickeys.com (E-Mail) http://www.hickeys.com (Website) http://www.weather.com/weather/us/zips/14850.html (Weather) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:47:33 -0500 From: "Chuck De Paolo" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Off Topic - Guiness Beer Bottle Organ Message-ID: <017701c0a351$a00207e0$0200a8c0@ws2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forgive me, but I had to share this with you, what with all the Guinness fans on list. It's for real: We at Peterson Electro-Musical Products, Inc. is premiering the new Beer Bottle Organ at the 2001 Frankfurt Musikmesse in Frankfurt, Germany. This instrument was designed by the employees at the Peterson factory and will be displayed along with a new addition to their tuner product line, theVS-1T. The organ can be seen in Hall 8, Stand F41J and features 74 bottles, which were provided by Guinness Deutschland who is sponsoring this organ. The sound is produced by nozzles that blow air across themouth of the bottles. The bottles are tuned by the amount of liquid in them, which makes the tedious tuning process more enjoyable and quite refreshing! The instrument also has MIDI recording and playback capabilities. The Beer Bottle Organs are custom built, one-of-a-kind, collectable instruments. Peterson plans to market various sizes and configurations of these instruments to breweries and wineries for their tours, tradeshow exhibits, restaurants, theme parks, and casino attractions. Peterson Electro-Musical Products, who are well known for their full line of strobe tuners, also offer a full line of control systems and other products for the pipe organ. The company is located just south of Chicago, IL and remains a leader in their field through excellence indesign, manufacturing, and customer service. Take a look at the attached digital images or visit our website at http://www.petersontuners.com to see & hear the Peterson/Guinness Beer Bottle Organ! --Chuck ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:28:08 -0500 From: "Chuck De Paolo" To: "Paul D. Kemp Jr." , "Trombone List" Subject: Re: lost etudes Message-ID: <01f201c0a357$4b357250$0200a8c0@ws2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's a lowdown on the Cimeras: I just went a pulled a copy off the shelf to have a look-see... First of all, there are 60, not 55, even though the cover clearly states "55 Phrasing Studies." Go figure. The book's copyright 1958 and has a short, 2-paragraph forward by the composer about basic musicality, breathing and legato concepts. Each etude is only a few lines long, many are under 20 measures. They're all in bass clef, use reasonable keys, stay in a range appropriate for a student of phrasing/legato, and don't have any crazy rhythms or meters. These are the kind of exercises that are very good for focusing on one thing -- phrasing. Or perhaps you will focus on legato, or whatever. The point is that there is not a lot of other bull going on distracting the student from the job at hand. This is where I find the Rochuts come up short. I teach mainly middle school and high school aged kids, and after going through the first dozen etudes the range begins to creep up to the point that they can no longer complete the etude. Or there is an issue of meter or less so, rhythm. Still, at times, for younger players, these can distract from successfully learning the point of the lesson. I've successfully used the Concone "40 Legato Etudes" or the Fink "Studies in Legato" in lieu of Rochut. And now that I've been turned on to this book, I'll be incorporating it into some lucky student's lesson down the line... ---Chuck > Are these very difficult studies? I teach a number of young students > (middle and high school) and I suspect that these would be excellent studies > for this age group. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:07:24 -0600 From: Stephen Parsons To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: ISU Trombone Workshop Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" To the list: On April 7th, 2001, Illinois State University will host its 6th Annual Trombone Workshop. Guest artists will include Mark Kellogg (Principal Trombone of the Rochester Philharmonic and on the faculty at the Eastman School), The United States Army Field Band Brass Quintet and The Count Basie Orchestra. Mr. Kellogg will be conducting a master class and giving a full recital. The Brass Quintet will be giving a recital and clinics. The Basie Orchestra is on our campus that day as part of a jazz festival, and one of the trombonists (I'm not sure who yet) will be giving a clinic. They will also be playing that evening. The day starts at 9am with registration and should be done by 10pm at the conclusion of the Basie concert. A complete schedule, plus all other information, can be found by going to http://www.arts.ilstu.edu/music/trbworkshop/ Pre-registration cost is $20. Registration the day of the event is $25. The fee includes admission to everything, including the Basie Concert. A registration form can be copied from the website. Illinois State is located in Normal, Il, which is roughly 2.5 hours drive from Chicago and 3 hours from St. Louis and Indianapolis (your drive time may vary). I'd be happy to answer any questions off the list. However, I will be away from my computer from 3/6 until 3/17 - for listers in the UK I'll performing with the ISU Faculty Brass Quintet at the "Sounds New" festival in Canterbury. Come say hellp if you get a chance! -- Stephen Parsons Associate Professor of Trombone College of Fine Arts Box 5660 Illinois State University Normal IL 61790-5660 (309)438-5260 Email: sbpars@oratmail.cfa.ilstu.edu http://www.orat.ilstu.edu/music/faculty/parsons/index.html ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 17:55:17 -0500 From: John Lavoie To: trombonzrule@eudoramail.com, "Bennett, Gordon (Contractor)" , Subject: TromboneDay2001 Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010302174817.02c50aa0@ic3.ithaca.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I would like to announce Ithaca College's Trombone Day for 2001. It will be held on April 21 from 8:30 AM to 1:00 PM. Events will include: Workshops for all ability levels Private Lessons with Dr. Reynolds and Trombone Troupe Members Jazz Improvisation Clinic Trombone Choirs for each ability level Breakfast AND Lunch Final Concert involving all participants and the IC Troupe Registration forms are available at the Troupe website www.ithaca.edu/troupe Hope to see you there! John Lavoie IC Trombone Troupe ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 18:52:22 -0500 From: "Bart Roberts" To: "Trombone List" Subject: JJ Johnson Retrospective in this Months Instrumentalist Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List Members, Thought I would pass on some info. I just got my Instrumentalist Magazine for March and was pleased to see a very nice Retrospective on JJ. Just wanted to share. Bart Roberts ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 19:58:53 -0500 From: "Thomas Smee" To: Subject: While you're talking about solos Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit When I studied at Aspen in the late '70s, I heard Per Brevig play a concerto by Egil Hovland, a Norwegian composer. I remember being struck by what a nice piece it is. I never heard of it since. A while ago, while trolling through tapmusic.com, I saw a CD with a performance by Per of the piece, so I got it. Although it seems that the current fashion is to play the Tomasi, for you tenor trombone concerto playing types, I would highly recommend the Hovland. If you just saw the trombone part, you might wonder what I'm talking about, but with the orchestra accompaniment, its great to listen to. Get the Brevig CD and see for yourself. It is quite difficult and goes up to notes around the high E or so range. So, like the Tomasi, its a challenging piece with some musical substance. Tom ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 20:06:52 -0500 From: "Thomas Smee" To: Subject: Re: Romeo & Juliet Suite No. 2 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks to those who replied about the 'p' misprint in the bass trombone part of the R&J Suite No. 2. The funny thing is that not only did the conductor not want it 'p', he wanted me to play it way . . . did I say WAY!! . . . louder than I would have left to my own devices - and that would generally tend to the loudish side for something prominent. I was only vaguely aware of the violins playing the melody - and the conductor's a violinist by training. Life is funny. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 22:59:08 +0000 From: "Richard Human, Jr." To: Trombone List Subject: Musical question Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi All, Does anyone know the answer to the question about the Muzak tune below? Who played this gig? :) Please reply to me or Ms. Meadows. Take care, Richard ------ Message From: "Lea Anne Meadows" Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 03:29:14 -0000 To: Richard@trombone.org Subject: Musical question Richard, Hello and HELP!!! I have a question that I'm hoping you may be able to answer for me. I've been hearing recently on the muzak where I work, a wonderful big band version of Earth, Wind & Fire's, "After the Love is Gone." It features some fantastic-sounding trombone-playing. Would you by any chance know who might be playing this particular version? Any thoughts you could give me on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much, Lea Anne Meadows _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------ End of Message ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 23:16:33 -0600 From: Jay Heltzer To: trombone Subject: re: INFLUENTIAL method books Message-ID: <3AA07E31.DB0A6C7D@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, the Rochut has certainly earned a regular spot in my rotation of books, but it has not had an influence on me. Two books pop into mind as method/etude books that had a big impact on me. 1.) Advanced Etudes for Bass Trombone by Tommy Pederson. Growing up in L.A., I felt the influence that Tommy had on all my role models in school and his etudes (props also go to the out of print Intermediate Etudes, which in some ways are harder than the advanced). The one book that NEVER gets old when i pull it out. I could never play a jazz waltz until Tommy "taught" me. 2.) Semester of Studies for Bass Trombone by Kauko Kahila I discovered this book thanks to Dennis Klophaus (anyone know of Dennis' whereabouts these days? its been 7.5 years for me since) as a wonderful creative text that all you tenor players should be using as well. It covers upper and lower range all over the place. Challenging, creative, interesting, and not easy, but very fun. Just a thought on the topic... Jay ps - Here is my first love: most influential recording? I'll pipe in when the thead develops. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 00:23:38 -0500 From: "Dave Wank" To: "Trombone-L" , Subject: Re: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion Message-ID: <003701c0a3a2$1b6afe00$a598fea9@computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Finally, someone has spoken my thoughts regarding Rochut! As a former Sax/Clarinet student (hey, there's hope for everybody!), when I switched to the bone I expected to find an etude book of the character of most sax/clar. studies. I have not found any! I have been working on Rochut and I find it very important for legato studies but very boring. Considering that they are on/near the top of everyone's MUST list I figure I have to rewrite my old studies for the bone. What's more, Arban's can't hold a candle to the Fischer Universal Sax Method. These methods contain much interesting material with strong melodic lines. Rochut gets close and Arban has nothing except those silly variations at the end. Thanks, Sabutin, for bringing this out. I have transcribed piles of songs, tunes, melodies, etc., for the bone just to find entertainment. Playing the trombone can be enjoyable! Dave Wank ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967 Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 08:06:12 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: "Chuck De Paolo" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Off Topic - Guiness Beer Bottle Organ Message-ID: <003a01c0a3b8$ec2dac20$1f09fd3e@q9y6f8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck De Paolo" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 7:47 PM Subject: Off Topic - Guiness Beer Bottle Organ > The organ can be seen in Hall 8, Stand F41J and features 74 > bottles, which were provided by Guinness Deutschland who is sponsoring this > organ. The sound is produced by nozzles that blow air across themouth of > the bottles. The bottles are tuned by the amount of liquid in them, which > makes the tedious tuning process more enjoyable and quite refreshing! Who do I apply to for a job as bottle tuner? On second thoughts, I may be tempted to tune them flat. A. Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk www.adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1967--