TROMBONE-L Digest 1966 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: BAM Bass Trombone Case by Gabriel Langfur 2) New Ensemble Publications catalog by "Chuck De Paolo" 3) RE: BAM Bass Trombone Case by Peter_Eiden@prenhall.com 4) 4 Shires trombones for sale.... by "Dean Hubbard" 5) Concert Band of Northwest Pa by chardy@totcon.com 6) Re: Conn men by "Tom C. Shaddox" 7) Be prepared by Douglas Yeo 8) Gold Plating by SlideH@aol.com 9) Tomasi in Amsterdam by "Ben van Dijk" 10) Doh! by "Chuck De Paolo" 11) BAM Case Question by Randy Campora 12) Bear Woodson: New E-Mail Address by Bear Woodson 13) Fwd: Preview Release of Igor Engraver for Windows by MasterCoda@aol.com 14) Re: Gold Plating by Candice & Eric Swanson 15) Is Guinness considered trombone content? by David Burch 16) lost etudes by Robert A Bates 17) Re: Is Guinness considered trombone content? by Earl Needham 18) Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion by "Bart Roberts" 19) Re: TMJ by Earl Needham 20) RE: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion by "Andrew Elms" 21) Re: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion by "Dennis Clason" 22) The Conductor and Death Row by Zemry@aol.com 23) Re: Preview Release of by "Robert Holland" 24) Re: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion by BassBonist@aol.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1966 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:18:37 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: BAM Bass Trombone Case Message-ID: <20010301171837.50884.qmail@web10307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Chuck & list, I recieved mine yesterday (quick - Thanks Chuck!), and I'm thrilled. It's almost as light as my RB gig bag, lighter than my ProTec case, and more ergonomic to carry than either. The foam on the inside has started molding itself to my valves & levers just by having the instrument inside overnight. My odd valve configuration (dependent thayers) fits just fine, and it looks like it'll settle in to fit even better. The only suggestion I would have to improve it (maybe they're asking you Chuck?) would be to eliminate the little tubular slot for a mouthpiece and make another covered compartment (like the one at the end) in that spot. Since I now own two more cases than I do bass trombones, I'll be selling my Reunion Blues G-series gig bag. Black cordura, used for a little over a year, very little wear, the single zipper is completely intact, with no snags or slow spots. This one was made before they started putting two straps on for carrying backpack-style, so it has a single fixed strap - no latches to break. It comes with two pouches for accesories, one small & one large. I paid $150 for it new, I'll start by asking $100, and I'll pay shipping in the US if I get that or another reasonable offer. Please respond privately if you're interested. I'll post this to the OTJ also. Gabe --- Chuck De Paolo wrote: > Speaking of French cases... > > BAM France has just released a new case for bass trombone in the > classic > "French" shape. To look at it, the case appears to modeled on the > old Bach > French cases made for their 50 series basses years ago. However, > unlike the > wood framed Bach, this new case is a solid block of expanded foam > covered on > the outside in a heavy waterproof nylon. Inside, the foam is covered > in a > nice green velvet material. The empty case weighs in at a very light > 8.3 > pounds, and loaded with a Bach 50B3O it's only 13.5 pounds (sans > mouthpieces > etc.) It's all black with permanently attached backpack style straps > and a > medium sized external carry pouch. There's a handle on the end of > the case > as well as in the traditional spot. The external pouch is roughly > 8.5" x > 14" and quite flat, so its use is limited to smaller music scores, > date > books, plane tickets, etc. Inside the case you can store a > mouthpiece or > two, plus a few small items like a spray bottle, oils etc. It's not > a > carry-all case -- not even close -- forget about stowing lunch or a > microwave or whatever in there. The length of the case is 38.5". At > its > widest point, the bell flare, it is 14". This would not be a good > case to > check as luggage unless you put it into an SKB golf bag carrier, but > depending on the plane, it might fit into an overhead. > > I tested a Bach 50B3O (open wrap dual independent rotor) bass with a > standard 9.5" bell in the case. The fit was "sweet" and secure. The > slide > is held in the lid in a soft, nicely formed area and secured with two > lobes > of foam. There are no straps or tiedowns, but the slide is held > tight > nonetheless. The bell section rests nicely on the bottom part of the > case > as would be expected. The bell flare itself is securely cradled all > the way > around in foam. There appears to be plenty of room for other valve > configurations and tuning slide lengths. Maximum bell diameter > appears to > be 10". When I measure out 10.5", the ruler is pressing real hard > into the > foam. Not ideal IMO. Therefore I recommend anyone with those 10.5" > Bach > monsters to have a look elsewhere. I will have a photo of the case > up on > our site in the future. > > Oh yeah, the price -- it retails at $350. We will be selling it for > $249.95 > plus shipping. Catalog number, just created, is 38141. I have only > one in > stock right now, but it looks as though they are readily available, > so > backorders should not be a problem. It's not on our site at the > moment, but > will be this afternoon (Feb 26th.) > > (please quote this message if you reply) > > In Music, > ---Charles De Paolo > General Manager & Webmaster > > Hickey's Music Center > 104 Adams Street > Ithaca, NY 14850 > > 607.272.8262 (Phone) > 607.272.2203 (Fax) > chuck@hickeys.com (E-Mail) > http://www.hickeys.com (Website) > http://www.weather.com/weather/us/zips/14850.html (Weather) > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1966 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:45:55 -0500 From: "Chuck De Paolo" To: "Trombone List" Subject: New Ensemble Publications catalog Message-ID: <00ae01c0a277$77a45440$0200a8c0@ws2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Folks, For those of you who are interested: The new 2001 Ensemble Publications (et al) catalog is now available. I have posted it as an Adobe Acrobat file on the Ensemble website. It includes the complete catalogs of Nichols Music Company (who we acquired in October 2000), Briar Music Press, Brass Ring Editions, Noga Music, and Lyceum Press. If you're not familiar with Ensemble, it's one of a few publishers with lots of trombone solos & ensembles. The Ensemble Publications website is still an AOL baby, and is located at: http://members.aol.com/enspub (Note there is no "www" in the address.) The site is "2.0" beta, an in-process revision of our original site created a few years ago. I'm still filling in the blanks, including catalog extracts for each of the agencies. Regardless, hopefully you will get the idea. If the Acrobat thing doesn't work for you, and you would like a real live printed version, just e-mail me with your street address and I'll send one along. Thanks! In Music, ---Charles De Paolo, Owner Ensemble Publications P.O. Box 32 Ithaca, NY 14851-0032 607.279.1456 (phone) 607.273.4655 (fax/evening phone) EnsPub@aol.com (E-Mail) http://members.aol.com/EnsPub (Website) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1966 Date: 01 Mar 2001 13:59:54 -0500 From: Peter_Eiden@prenhall.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: BAM Bass Trombone Case Message-ID: <"/GUID:QRzhfnVcO1RGZNgBgCI2PYQ*/G=Peter/S=Eiden/OU=exchange/O=pearsontc/PRMD=pearson/ADMD=telemail/C=us/"@MHS> I received mine from Chuck yesterday, as well, and just got off the phone with him with similar comments. I'd even be happy if they could replace the mouthpiece tube with one that is wide enough to fit the 'heavy-top' style mouthpieces better (I use a Stork at it sticks out of the hole to far to close the lid easily; a regular Schilke or Bach mouthpiece worked fine), and maybe include one for a second mouthpiece. Then I could more easily use the compartment for oils, etc. instead of having to keep my mouthpiece there. And boy it is light and comfortable! With my Edwards bass (9-1/2" dependent thayers) in it, the whole thing weighs the same as my Edwards hard case does alone (my 5-year old thought it was pretty entertaining as I picked them up to compare - But Daddy - you forgot to put the trombone in the brown one!) The case is well balanced, too. It gets my vote! Pete peter_eiden@prenhall.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 12:24 PM To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: BAM Bass Trombone Case Chuck & list, I recieved mine yesterday (quick - Thanks Chuck!), and I'm thrilled. It's almost as light as my RB gig bag, lighter than my ProTec case, and more ergonomic to carry than either. The foam on the inside has started molding itself to my valves & levers just by having the instrument inside overnight. My odd valve configuration (dependent thayers) fits just fine, and it looks like it'll settle in to fit even better. The only suggestion I would have to improve it (maybe they're asking you Chuck?) would be to eliminate the little tubular slot for a mouthpiece and make another covered compartment (like the one at the end) in that spot. Since I now own two more cases than I do bass trombones, I'll be selling my Reunion Blues G-series gig bag. Black cordura, used for a little over a year, very little wear, the single zipper is completely intact, with no snags or slow spots. This one was made before they started putting two straps on for carrying backpack-style, so it has a single fixed strap - no latches to break. It comes with two pouches for accesories, one small & one large. I paid $150 for it new, I'll start by asking $100, and I'll pay shipping in the US if I get that or another reasonable offer. Please respond privately if you're interested. I'll post this to the OTJ also. Gabe --- Chuck De Paolo wrote: > Speaking of French cases... > > BAM France has just released a new case for bass trombone in the > classic > "French" shape. To look at it, the case appears to modeled on the > old Bach > French cases made for their 50 series basses years ago. However, > unlike the > wood framed Bach, this new case is a solid block of expanded foam > covered on > the outside in a heavy waterproof nylon. Inside, the foam is covered > in a > nice green velvet material. The empty case weighs in at a very light > 8.3 > pounds, and loaded with a Bach 50B3O it's only 13.5 pounds (sans > mouthpieces > etc.) It's all black with permanently attached backpack style straps > and a > medium sized external carry pouch. There's a handle on the end of > the case > as well as in the traditional spot. The external pouch is roughly > 8.5" x > 14" and quite flat, so its use is limited to smaller music scores, > date > books, plane tickets, etc. Inside the case you can store a > mouthpiece or > two, plus a few small items like a spray bottle, oils etc. It's not > a > carry-all case -- not even close -- forget about stowing lunch or a > microwave or whatever in there. The length of the case is 38.5". At > its > widest point, the bell flare, it is 14". This would not be a good > case to > check as luggage unless you put it into an SKB golf bag carrier, but > depending on the plane, it might fit into an overhead. > > I tested a Bach 50B3O (open wrap dual independent rotor) bass with a > standard 9.5" bell in the case. The fit was "sweet" and secure. The > slide > is held in the lid in a soft, nicely formed area and secured with two > lobes > of foam. There are no straps or tiedowns, but the slide is held > tight > nonetheless. The bell section rests nicely on the bottom part of the > case > as would be expected. The bell flare itself is securely cradled all > the way > around in foam. There appears to be plenty of room for other valve > configurations and tuning slide lengths. Maximum bell diameter > appears to > be 10". When I measure out 10.5", the ruler is pressing real hard > into the > foam. Not ideal IMO. Therefore I recommend anyone with those 10.5" > Bach > monsters to have a look elsewhere. I will have a photo of the case > up on > our site in the future. > > Oh yeah, the price -- it retails at $350. We will be selling it for > $249.95 > plus shipping. Catalog number, just created, is 38141. I have only > one in > stock right now, but it looks as though they are readily available, > so > backorders should not be a problem. It's not on our site at the > moment, but > will be this afternoon (Feb 26th.) > > (please quote this message if you reply) > > In Music, > ---Charles De Paolo > General Manager & Webmaster > > Hickey's Music Center > 104 Adams Street > Ithaca, NY 14850 > > 607.272.8262 (Phone) > 607.272.2203 (Fax) > chuck@hickeys.com (E-Mail) > http://www.hickeys.com (Website) > http://www.weather.com/weather/us/zips/14850.html (Weather) > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1966 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:11:25 -0800 From: "Dean Hubbard" To: Subject: 4 Shires trombones for sale.... Message-ID: <039501c0a283$98d84660$a8863d3f@Bonedean> Bronstein Music of South San Francisco, CA has four new Shires bones for sale. I'm not familiar with all the options on these horns but, to the best of my recollection there is a .547" w/F attachment, two .525", one Thayer, one Shires valve, one double Thayer bass. All are new. The contact person is Rich Welker...(650) 588-2502 ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1966 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 14:03:55 -0500 From: chardy@totcon.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Concert Band of Northwest Pa Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20010301190355.0068a110@totcon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anybody on the list in it? I'll be playing with them on Weds.June 20th. Let me know and perhaps we can get together. Charlie ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1966 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 15:27:20 -0600 From: "Tom C. Shaddox" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Conn men Message-ID: <3A9EBEB8.E5704D9D@fnc.fujitsu.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, my Coprion belled '58 Conn 10H Victor w/ lightweight slide has the Conn marching men seen on a brick street through an archway, plus quite a bit of filigree. Although it wound up in my hands, it was at least intended to be a pro horn. Hmmm #1: does this little pictograph still appear on Conn instruments? Hmmm #2: if I ever have a Shires built for myself, I think I'll have the Conn marching men engraved on the bell! Tom Shaddox, 9th chair tenor ljshaddo@gte.net ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1966 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 17:18:13 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Be prepared Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" An interesting week with the Boston Symphony which brings up the old Boy Scout motto, "Be Prepared." I've known for a year that we were to play the Janacek Sinfonietta this week, a piece on which I play bass trumpet. Fine enough. But on the first half of the program is scheduled a new piece by John Adams, "Naive and Sentimental Music," which is about 50 minutes long. The score and parts were late in arriving, so when they finally came in last Friday, I went to the library to take a look. It's a complex piece, but you can imagine my surprise when I came across a three line long, technical, fast, chromatic passage at the end of the first movement which said, above it, "May be played on euphonium." Red lights go off. A look at the score showed why - the piece calls for 2 bass tubas and 3 trombones; the passage in question makes for a unique sound of 3 tubas wailing away. Be prepared. Questions go through my mind, wondering what to do, how to prepare (on just a few days notice) - composer will be at rehearsal on Wednesday, conductor can't be reached, personnel manager says bring a euphonium, the passage is difficult enough that it needs serious woodshedding. So, I practiced it, and not only did the composer say that he is thrilled that I'm doing it on euphonium, I suggested to him two other passages in the piece where a euph would make good sense and he agreed. A bass trombone/euphonium double in an orchestral piece? Not likely, but it happens. Be prepared (and boy, am I having fun this week with a "double double"!). -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1966 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 17:17:40 EST From: SlideH@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Gold Plating Message-ID: <84.120f9a7d.27d02484@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Guys: I have a few basic questions re: engraving a horn and gold plating... 1. How/where do you get a horn gold plated? 2. How much does it cost? 3. How does gold plating gnerally affect the sound/playing of a horn? 4. If I were going to get my horn engraved, should I get it engraved and then plated, or plated then engraved? Sorry for the dorky "nuts and bolts" questions - i am just curious about this! Thanks, John ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1966 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 23:36:49 +0100 From: "Ben van Dijk" To: "Trblist" Subject: Tomasi in Amsterdam Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C0A2A8.7C4CFE80" This evening I attended a super performance of the Tomasi trombone concerto played by Jšrgen van Reijen (principal of the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra) and his own Orchestra in the Concertgebouw, Amsterdam. Jšrgen, who is also teacher at my Conservatory in Rotterdam and won the Quebwiller Competition last year, played the concerto in a beautiful French style and his wonderful sound, wich was a treat for the ears in the super accoustics of the Concertgebouw,Κmade theΚlisteners melt and he got a well deserved ovation from both audions and orchestra-members. I know Jšrgen now for many years and play with him quit often, during the ITF2000 we played the Nick Woud Dances and will repeat this coming may for the Dutch Radio in the Concertgebouw. He has grown into one of the finest solists I know. His style matches very closly the style of Michel Becquet, he used for this concert the new model of Courtois wich has the right sound coulors for this French masterpiece. I know this young maestro, 25 years young, has plans to make his first solo-disc very soon. Be aware, there is a new very musical talented kid on the road. All the best, Ben van Dijk Bass trombone Rotterdam Philharmonic Orchestra Professor Rotterdam Conservatory www.basstrombone.nl mailto:ben@basstrombone.nl ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1966 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 17:46:07 -0500 From: "Chuck De Paolo" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Doh! Message-ID: <015201c0a2a1$67d858c0$0200a8c0@ws2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The real address for the ensemble PDF catalog is: http://members.aol.com/enspub/ensemble.pdf ("ensemble.pdf" not "catalog.pdf") If you click on the "Download Catalog" link on the homepage, you will get an error. I'll fix it tonite. Sorry for the confusion. ---Chuck ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1966 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 17:52:37 -0500 From: Randy Campora To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: BAM Case Question Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010301175114.00999100@mail.telephonet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Regarding the BAM bass case: does the slide drip water on the bell flare when in the case--is the bottom of the slide up at the bell flare end or the other end? Thanks, -Randy Campora ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Randy Campora, Bass Trombonist Baltimore Symphony Orchestra Peabody Conservatory of Music campora@peabody.jhu.edu 410-461-1984 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1966 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 16:35:19 -0800 From: Bear Woodson To: Trombone List Subject: Bear Woodson: New E-Mail Address Message-ID: <3A9EEAC6.2E903B4F@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Trombone List. I now have a New E-Mail Address. After Thursday, March 1st, 2001, please send all E-Mail to me via my New E-Mail Account at: "Bear Woodson" Please stop sending E-Mail to me, via my 2 Old E-Mail Accounts: "Bear Woodson" "Bear Woodson" It will be especially appreciated, if someone can send me my long-overdue Lobotomy! Bear "When will we ever be able to get the millions of moronic Americans to stop believing in WWF (World Wrestling Federation on TV), and start watching more mature, reality-based TV . . . . like Star Trek? " - Bear Woodson (2000) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1966 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:28:00 EST From: MasterCoda@aol.com To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Fwd: Preview Release of Igor Engraver for Windows Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_ee.11d0613d.27d04310_boundary" Return-Path: Received: from rly-st05.mail.aol.com (rly-st05.mail.aol.com [172.31.34.4]) by air-xd01.mail.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Mar 2001 04:10:38 -0500 Received: from rly-zd05.mx.aol.com (rly-zd05.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.229]) by rly-st05.mail.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/AOL-5.0.0) with ESMTP id DAA27571 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 03:57:49 -0500 (EST) From: info@noteheads.com Received: from notehead_webser.notehead.se ([212.37.4.196]) by rly-zd05.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Mar 2001 03:57:11 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by notehead_webser.notehead.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:56:06 +0100 To: Subject: Preview Release of Igor Engraver for Windows Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:56:06 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2001 08:56:06.0578 (UTC) FILETIME=[73C34920:01C0A22D] X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) NoteHeads is proud to present the first Preview Release of Igor Engraver for Windows, the revolutionary new intelligent scorewriter by NoteHeads. Igor Engraver, which has been available on the Macintosh for some time, is an extremely powerful program. Yet it has been designed to be very easy to use. At the same time, Igor Engraver offers the professional engraver powerful control over all aspects of the notation of music. 1. This is a preview and should be regarded as such. Although you can do real work in it, it should not be used for time critical and/or production work or for starting files you wish to keep. You may expect errors and/or crashes. The user interface is not finished. Some functionality is simply not in place yet, some will change in the final release, to adhere more to the Windows standards, and some functionality has been disabled. 2. THE PREVIEW WILL EXPIRE ON MARCH 31, 2001. 3. We are making this release available so that you can have a taste of the Igor Engraver technology on the Windows platform. We are currently not soliciting any feedback regarding this Preview. If you do want to send feedback though, or want to discuss the Windows preview with other users you can subscribe to igor-win-talk@noteheads.com through our web site. This list is provided as a courtesy to Windows users. We will not answer postings to this address, but it will be monitored by us. 4. Files saved in the Windows Preview of Igor Engraver cannot be opened in the Macintosh version of Igor Engraver 1.3 and earlier versions. The next Macintosh release will synchronise the file compatibility. 5. MIDI is not available in this release (that means no MIDI playback and no MIDI input). 6. The manual (available separately) is Macintosh specific. The differences between platforms are generally minimal, except for the piece window (explained in the file Piece-window.txt), which deviates more from the way the Macintosh version works. 7. PLEASE READ the list of KNOWN BUGS in the installed Igor Engraver folder. Please read the accompanying documentation carefully, and check our website often for updates. We may make new preview releases available before the final release of Igor Engraver for Windows and we may post patches which you can download from within the Igor Engraver software (use "Check for patches" from the file menu). Enjoy! NoteHeads Musical Expert Systems, http://www.noteheads.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1966 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 18:57:41 -0500 From: Candice & Eric Swanson Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Gold Plating Message-ID: <3A9EE1F5.608B5E2C@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SlideH@aol.com wrote: > Hey Guys: > > I have a few basic questions re: engraving a horn and gold plating... > > 1. How/where do you get a horn gold plated? > > 2. How much does it cost? > > 3. How does gold plating gnerally affect the sound/playing of a horn? > > 4. If I were going to get my horn engraved, should I get it engraved and > then plated, or plated then engraved? > John, Anderson Plating in Elkhart, IN is one of the best places. Also, Kanstul in LA http://members.aol.com/kanstulmus/ can do a nice job. If nobody else jumps in with the info, I can look up the phone numbers. It costs a lot. You have to pay for a complete overhaul...stripping lacquer or silver, dent work, buffing, plus the cost of the plating. It may cost more than the horn's worth. Whatever the effect on the sound, and there will be no agreement on this anywhere, it's probably not worth the money. It won't make you a better player, that's for sure. The engraving has to be done first. Otherwise you would be cutting through the plating to do the engraving. Eric Swanson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1966 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 20:34:18 -0500 From: David Burch To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Is Guinness considered trombone content? Message-ID: <3A9EF89A.36B61526@fuse.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I never contributed to any of the Guinness threads, so please forgive me just this once... Brenda O'Malley is home making dinner, as usual, when Tim Finnegan arrives at her door. "Brenda, may I come in?" he asks. "I've somethin' to tell ya." "Of course you can come in, you're always welcome, Tim. But where's my husband?" "That's what I'm here to be tellin' ya, Brenda. There was an accident down at the Guiness brewery..." "Oh, God no!" cries Brenda. "Please don't tell me..." "I must, Brenda. Your husband Shamus is dead and gone. I'm sorry." Finally, she looked up at Tim. "How did it happen, Tim?" "It was terrible, Brenda. He fell into a vat of Guiness Stout and drowned." Oh my dear Jesus! But you must tell me true, Tim, Did he at least go quickly?" "Well, no Brenda... no." "No?" "Fact is, he got out three times to pee." ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1966 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 20:53:02 -0500 From: Robert A Bates To: send Subject: lost etudes Message-ID: <3A9EFCFE.1C00E191@voyager.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have some tattered remains of an etude book. My teacher gave them to me a 1/4 century ago.They are legato short and simple.They are not Fink or Rouchut.Every page has the # EL 1253.Can any one come up with a title? ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1966 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 19:05:31 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Is Guinness considered trombone content? Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010301190427.00b6bcf0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:34 PM 3/1/01 -0500, David Burch blasted the following out into the ether: Oh my dear Jesus! But you must tell me true, Tim, Did he at least go quickly?" "Well, no Brenda... no." "No?" "Fact is, he got out three times to pee." David, my ancestors are ashamed of you for telling that. But they're MORE ashamed of Shamus!!! Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446m W103d 12.700m (or so) Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, you breathe...) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1966 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 21:30:30 -0500 From: "Bart Roberts" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear List, I am curious to what many of you think are the 10 most influential trombone books (excerpt, etude, technique, etc.) Thanks Bart Roberts ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1966 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 19:29:29 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: TMJ Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010301192921.00b63380@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:46 PM 2/21/01 -0800, Sarah Lorimor blasted the following out into the ether: Basically, I'm being told I need to quit, because the pressure on the ligaments is too much. I'm being told I need to quit by physical therapists, surgeons, and by trombonists who have seen someone else go through this. Playing can be quite painful, especially in the high register. I refuse to quit, so this is where I'm asking for help. Does anyone know of any tricks to get around this? There isn't anything else, medically, that can be done, but if there's a different way to play, or someone has any information, or this affects anybody else... I'm open to any suggestions right now. You know what? I just put something together here, and I want to present it. I think you need to get with a good trombone instructor. Down here, Don Lucas is THE guy. he teaches to "set" the face first, and then bring the mouthpiece up. As I understand it, this doesn't put pressure on the jaw so much as it tenses the face, around the mouth and nose, and that's all. Sarah, you sound pretty desperate, and I know *I* would be, so you might give this a try. BTW, what part of the world are you in? Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446m W103d 12.700m (or so) Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, you breathe...) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1966 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 21:42:55 -0500 From: "Andrew Elms" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let's see.. in no particular order: Bordogni/Rochut Bordogni/Rochut Bordogni/Rochut Marstellar (Still not sure why these are called "Basic Routines") Kreutzer Bach Abersol (not quite a book, but whatever works...) Arban's Brown Excerpts and that mysterious method book that tells me why I can't figure this thing out. Not sure where this thread is going to go... Andy -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Bart Roberts Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 9:31 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion Dear List, I am curious to what many of you think are the 10 most influential trombone books (excerpt, etude, technique, etc.) Thanks Bart Roberts ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1966 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 20:04:20 -0800 From: "Dennis Clason" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion Message-ID: <03be01c0a2cd$db9f00c0$0d2b7b80@nmsu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I am curious to what many of you think are the 10 most influential trombone > books (excerpt, etude, technique, etc.) Let's see: 1. Bordogni/Rochut. 2. - 7. Bordogni/Rochut. 8. Arban 9. Kleinhammer and Kleinhammer/Yeo. 10. Kopprasch. 11. H.C. Smith 20th Century Excerpts 12. Remington Why is Bordogni/Rochut 1 - 7? Because that's the only thing that every student of the trombone I've ever encountered has encountered. I suspect there's good reason that a serious collection of Bel Canto vocalises are going to top everybody's list -- legato is a cast-iron b**** on the old slushpump. Dennis ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1966 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 22:25:01 EST From: Zemry@aol.com To: warrenJH@softdisk.com (john warren), PatSCajun@aol.com, elainej2@email.msn.com, crellis@softdisk.com, aswilley@softdisk.com, Subject: The Conductor and Death Row Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b5.7cb4328.27d06c8d_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline A little old lady is sitting in the violin section, fumbling for notes in a difficult key signature. After a few minutes the conductor becomes so enraged that he hits her on the head with his music stand, and the poor old dear dies instantly. Not surprisingly, he is convicted and put on death row. ΚJust before he is to be electrocuted, his last request is for 12 pounds of bananas, which he devours. They strap him into the chair, flip the switch, and he Κjust sits there, smiling. According to tradition, this is considered a reprieve from God and he is freed. Somehow he gets his old job back, and he is happily conducting the orchestra when the trumpet player goes sharp. Enraged, he lunges out with his baton, skewering the offender's neck and killing him. Again, he is convicted and sent to death row. He again eats the 12 pounds of bananas, and lo and behold, the electricity does not harm him. This time the executioner cleans the contacts, makes him sit in a bucket of water, he tries everything - but the conductor won't die. So again, he is set free. Amazingly he regains his job. It takes him 1 day to lose his temper and beat to death a trombonist. He returns to death row, eats the bananas, and survives the electrocution. At this point, the executioner can take no more - his professional pride has been hurt. Before setting our friend free again, he asks him his secret- "What is it with the bananas?" "Oh, the bananas have nothing to do with it," replies our friend. "I'm just a bad conductor ****************************************************************************** * Richard ΚZemry Johnson, Jr. ΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚ Bossier Parish Community College Jazz Ensemble Shreveport Metropolitan Concert Band Impact Band playing "gumbo-funk" "There won't come a time when you won't have to practice anymore." J. J. Johnson ΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚ ΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚΚ ****************************************************************************** *** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1966 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 20:39:31 -0600 From: "Robert Holland" To: "Trb. List" Subject: Re: Preview Release of Message-ID: <200103020244.8575100@mail.chicagonet.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > NoteHeads is proud to present the first Preview Release of Igor Engraver > for Windows, the revolutionary new intelligent scorewriter by NoteHeads. [snip] When the first message of this sort came up last week, I ignored it. Please don't tell me that, beyond the occasional and harmless shameless plug that people post, the list is going to become yet another advertising medium. Those of us with things to sell have been modestly silent about them, which I believe is appreciated over wading through needless hype. Robert Holland Briar Music Press briar@chicagonet.net http://members.aol.com/EnsPub/briar.htm ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1966 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 22:59:03 EST From: BassBonist@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Most Influential Trombone Books in your opinion Message-ID: <49.81bf361.27d07487@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_49.81bf361.27d07487_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline << I am curious to what many of you think are the 10 most influential trombone books (excerpt, etude, technique, etc.) Thanks Bart Roberts>> The books that have most influenced ME are not all trombone books but have all given me "fuel" for my brain, outlook, and supplied me with a variety of physical, technical & musical tools that I have over the years applied to the trombone and sometimes, life. I started out trying to "rank" them but I ended up just listing ten that have influenced my playing, with a teacher or on my own. Of course there are more but these are my own top 10 list. Wind and Song (Jacobs/Fredericksen) The Inner Game of Tennis (Gallwey) The Art of Trombone (Kleinhammer) Mastering the Trombone (Kleinhammer/Yeo) A Soprano on Her Head (Ristad) Rochut Intermediate Etudes for Bass Trombone (Pedersen) The Art of Practicing (Bruser) Bach Cello Suites Remington Warm Ups (Hunsberger) Matt Varho ΚΚΚ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1966--