TROMBONE-L Digest 1965 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Conn men by Dave Molter 2) Denis Wick bass mouthpieces by Dave Molter 3) SV: Denis Wick bass mouthpieces by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Marius_Helg=E5?= 4) Re: Denis Wick bass mouthpieces by "Art Triggs" 5) Re: Denis Wick bass mouthpieces by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 6) Re: Mouthpiece Plating by Walter Barrett 7) Thank You.... by "Maria R. Tekle-Wolde" 8) Re: Thank You.... by "Gary D. Maxwell" 9) Re: Denis Wick bass mouthpieces by Craig Parmerlee 10) Romeo & Juliet Suite No. 2 by "Thomas Smee" 11) RE: Yamaha bone by Tyson Tom 12) RE: Ophicleide for sale on ebay by Stan Brager 13) Re: Thank You.... by "Nanette L. Kappus" 14) Re: Thank You.... by "Daniel Pliskin" 15) RE: Mouthpiece Plating by Peter_Eiden@prenhall.com 16) McDonald arrangements by chardy@totcon.com 17) Re: Ophicleide for sale on ebay by "Adrian Drover" 18) Re: Ophicleide for sale on ebay by Walter Barrett 19) G****** by Earl Needham 20) RE: Bruckner Motets by "Holst, Bill" 21) Re: Thank You.... by Earl Needham 22) RE: Romeo & Juliet Suite No. 2 by "cobalt321" 23) Re: Romeo & Juliet Suite No. 2 by Gabriel Langfur 24) Re: Romeo & Juliet Suite No. 2 by Douglas Yeo 25) Re: Romeo & Juliet Suite No. 2 by Randy Campora 26) Re: Thank You.... by "ksdowdy" 27) Re: Barber of Seville by "H du Plooy" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1965 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:11:34 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Molter To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Conn men Message-ID: <380766208.983365894917.JavaMail.root@web625-wrb.mail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someone queried "after trolling the archives, I have concluded that Conn's student/intermediate horns were engraved with the three marching men and the fireworks, but the professional models were not " I briefly had a Conn valve bone from the mid-50s that couple a 5G valvesection with a bell stamped 6H on the receiver. The bell had the marching men and some scrollwork. I never did find out if the instrument came from the factory this way or if the bell had been substitued at some point. At any rate, the horn sounded sounded like crap with that bell. When I plugged in the bell from my son's Director, made in the 1990s, the sound immediately improved. So, was this a student horn or pro? The 5G was definitely the pro line valve bone, but I'm not sure about the bell. Dave Molter ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1965 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:20:33 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Molter To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Denis Wick bass mouthpieces Message-ID: <381412413.983366433977.JavaMail.root@web623-wrb.mail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A question for anyone experienced in either mouthpiece backbore sizes or with the Denis Wick line specifically. I'm experimenting with a Wick 2AL, which has a wider than standard rim and a "barrel shaped" backbore and a 7.24 bore. The Wick 1AL is listed as having the standard rim, an "open" backbore and a 7.45 bore. The cup diameter is only .11" wider than the 2AL. I like the sound of the 2AL -- very warm compared to any other bass piece I've tried -- but I'm looking for a little easier access to the pedals, which I think the slightly wider cup will give. However, is the increased bore size and "open" rather than barrel shaped bore of the 1AL going to change the sound and response of the 1AL dramatically? Thanks Dave Molter ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1965 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:28:31 +0100 From: Marius HelgΠTo: "'kingbone@earthlink.net'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: SV: Denis Wick bass mouthpieces Message-ID: <1C5C11BC642AD41199DA00508BA5451F89B813@victoria.nb.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > A question for anyone experienced in either mouthpiece > backbore sizes or > with the Denis Wick line specifically. I'm experimenting with > a Wick 2AL, > which has a wider than standard rim and a "barrel shaped" > backbore and a > 7.24 bore. The Wick 1AL is listed as having the standard rim, > an "open" > backbore and a 7.45 bore. The cup diameter is only .11" wider > than the 2AL. > I like the sound of the 2AL -- very warm compared to any > other bass piece > I've tried -- but I'm looking for a little easier access to > the pedals, > which I think the slightly wider cup will give. However, is > the increased > bore size and "open" rather than barrel shaped bore of the > 1AL going to > change the sound and response of the 1AL dramatically? > Some years ago, I switched from DW 2AL to 1AL. The sound wasn't changed at all, but it allowed me to play louder without losing the "sound". It also helped me somewhat in the deep register (down to the pedals). The pedals were unchanged for me, but I experienced a short loss of control in the high registers, but this was regained relatively fast. The open backbore was, for me, the main difference, allowing more air to pass through the instrument per second, without increasing the speed of the air. Marius HelgΠBass Trombone Mo Amateur Orchestra Mo Wind Band Dunderland Iron Ore Company Big Band Nordland Symphonic Band -------- Mo i Rana, Norway ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1965 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:45:51 -0500 From: "Art Triggs" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Denis Wick bass mouthpieces Message-ID: <000b01c0a18c$c4a7d280$f6a315ac@bestweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have used a Wick 2al for about 22 years ( yeah that long ) the lower register is more difficult with it but imho you can focus the sound much better in the "money register" than most of the larger mouthpieces. I have been the bigger is better route, and only found that the negatives associated with any of the bigger mpieces (from a Schilke 61 up, - had Schilke make one for me in 1973) - sound quality, pitch, (details...) led me back to the smaller mpiece, I won't say that they won't work for someone else,(lots of great players use big mouthpieces) but for me this one works consistently. Out of the "bigger" mouthpieces, the only one I would consider now might be a Stork 1, a little too big for me, but I like the fact that the lower register stays well centered. The Wick 1al does not imho. Hope that helps, your milage may vary. All the Best Art Triggs ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Molter To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 8:20 AM Subject: Denis Wick bass mouthpieces > A question for anyone experienced in either mouthpiece backbore sizes or > with the Denis Wick line specifically. I'm experimenting with a Wick 2AL, > which has a wider than standard rim and a "barrel shaped" backbore and a > 7.24 bore. The Wick 1AL is listed as having the standard rim, an "open" > backbore and a 7.45 bore. The cup diameter is only .11" wider than the 2AL. > I like the sound of the 2AL -- very warm compared to any other bass piece > I've tried -- but I'm looking for a little easier access to the pedals, > which I think the slightly wider cup will give. However, is the increased > bore size and "open" rather than barrel shaped bore of the 1AL going to > change the sound and response of the 1AL dramatically? > > Thanks > > Dave Molter > > > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1965 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:02:36 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: artyart@bestweb.net, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Denis Wick bass mouthpieces Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Got more acces to pedals with Bach 7c. Made upper register a little harder to access, but practice brings them back. Improvement in sound is marked. beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1965 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:13:01 -0500 From: Walter Barrett To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Mouthpiece Plating Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 2/27/01 7:46 PM, Charles Perron at trombird@home.com sent forth into the cosmos: > Does anybody have any recommendations/suggestions where I can have 2 old > mouthpieces plated? One is a one piece and the other has a screw rim. > > I live in NJ with easy access to both NYC and Philly if that makes a > difference. > > Thanks, > > Chuck > > Chuck- I'd check with Dillon, I don't know if they do plating themselves, or if they send it out, but that's where I'd start... Dillon Music Woodbridge, NJ (732) 634-3399 -- Walter Barrett "When trombones are outlawed, only outlaws will have trombones!" Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1965 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:51:19 -0600 From: "Maria R. Tekle-Wolde" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Thank You.... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just wanted to thank all of you for everything.. I've learned a lot from this list over the years and it's been great meeting a lot of you in person... I'm writing this email cause I can't play my trombone for awhile.. I was in a car accident on Monday morning in Wisconsin (rolled once)... the only car I've ever had in my name (title, etc) and I only had it 48 hours.. Just glad to be alive and hope to get rid of the swelling on the right half of my face! Wishing all of you the best of luck, Maria R. Tekle-Wolde PS.. I'm just bummed out now though cause I was suppose to go to the Siouxland Trombone Festival in Sioux Falls, SD where Joe Alessi is guest... *pout* ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1965 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 07:10:41 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: mariat@qwest.net Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Thank You.... Message-ID: <3A9D14F1.D06A3853@bcsd.k12.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Maria, Take care and heal well. I have enjoyed reading your posts and corresponding, from time to time. It will hurt not to be able to play your ax at the Trombone Festival, but it might hurt more to not even be there. If you can get there, you should go an have a good time. Leave the trombone at home. Get well and all the best, Gary Maxwell Bass Trombone Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra ============================================================================ "Maria R. Tekle-Wolde" wrote: > > I just wanted to thank all of you for everything.. > > I've learned a lot from this list over the years and > it's been great meeting a lot of you in person... > > I'm writing this email cause I can't play my trombone > for awhile.. I was in a car accident on Monday morning > in Wisconsin (rolled once)... the only car I've ever > had in my name (title, etc) and I only had it 48 hours.. > > Just glad to be alive and hope to get rid of the swelling > on the right half of my face! > > Wishing all of you the best of luck, > Maria R. Tekle-Wolde > > PS.. I'm just bummed out now though cause I was suppose to > go to the Siouxland Trombone Festival in Sioux Falls, SD > where Joe Alessi is guest... *pout* ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1965 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:22:15 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Denis Wick bass mouthpieces Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010228101035.0207f150@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:20 AM 2/28/2001 -0500, Dave Molter wrote: A question for anyone experienced in either mouthpiece backbore sizes or with the Denis Wick line specifically. I'm experimenting with a Wick 2AL, which has a wider than standard rim and a "barrel shaped" backbore and a 7.24 bore. The Wick 1AL is listed as having the standard rim, an "open" backbore and a 7.45 bore. The cup diameter is only .11" wider than the 2AL. I like the sound of the 2AL -- very warm compared to any other bass piece I've tried -- but I'm looking for a little easier access to the pedals, which I think the slightly wider cup will give. However, is the increased bore size and "open" rather than barrel shaped bore of the 1AL going to change the sound and response of the 1AL dramatically? I played a 2AL when starting on the bass. I liked it a lot, but came to the same conclusion as you . I doesn't do as well on the pedals as other bass pieces. I haven't played a 1AL, but I do have a 0AL -- huge thing. I'm not actually using either of them for bass trombone. I keep the 2AL in my large tenor case for the times I need to act like a bass trombone on that horn. I keep the 0AL in my euphonium case for the times I need to act like a tuba. I'm afraid there is no escape from compromise with bass trombone mouthpieces. If you give the pedals power, the upper register is more difficult on every piece I have played. Of course both ends of the range get better with practice, but I am a real believer in optimizing the mouthpiece for the repertoire I'm playing. There are a lot of bass parts that require you to go to high G or above, and these passages are usually very exposed. There is also music that takes you down to a pedal G or F. While those may not be exposed, you often need to give them all you got because it is hard for pitches that low to balance with the rest of the ensemble. Fortunately there aren't too many selections that require both. So why not use both mouthpieces? A Bach 1G recently landed in my lap. Pretty much worthless for anything much above middle C, but I'm keeping it handy for those times when the conductor is calling for biggest possible pedals. Just a thought. Craig ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1965 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:32:56 -0500 From: "Thomas Smee" To: Subject: Romeo & Juliet Suite No. 2 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A question for the bass trombonists out there who have played Prokofiev's Romeo & Juliet: I'm looking at the bass trombone part to the second suite. The first movement contains the music that I think is called Dance of the Knights in the complete ballet. Anyway its the part where the bass trombone and other low instruments have the E, G, E, G, etc. bass line. The thing that surprised me was that the first entrance of that bass line is marked 'p'. Someone crossed that out in pencil and marked it 'f', which is the dynamic I've heard it played in every recording I own. I had planned to play it at a fairly healthy dynamic for the first two bars then back off a bit when the violins come in with the melody. If you have played the part, please let me know what you did with that dynamic and what the conductor said. Thanks. Tom ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1965 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:07:15 -0500 From: Tyson Tom To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Yamaha bone Message-ID: <541DE6DC039F64428FE422C6BABF9BA583316C@RICSE006> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Justin, I have a YSL-356 and for the most part am satisfied with it. I had quite a bit of problem with this particular trombones' slide and valve when I first got it, and got a HUGE amount of green/black sludge out of the slide when I scrubbed the bore of the outer slide with Brasso. I attribute this to the fact that the dealer had this particular instrument sitting on the shelf for several years in his shop next to the ocean and I suspect that is where the corrosion originated. Once I de-gunked the slide three of four times and lubed it using the directions of the lube manufacturer (not too much), it's been great - nice, fast and every bit as good as the slide on my YSL-603 pro bone. I still have a bit of a problem with the rotary valve sticking, but I attribute this to the same local corrosion problems as the slide. This should be resolved at ETW. I've used it for concert band and ragtime and am quite happy with it in those settings. Obviously, you would probably not want to use it or any other small bore trombone for most symphonic work, but all in all it's a solid intermediate instrument. Justin Miller wrote: > A friend of mine has a Yamaha YSL-356R bone (serial # 44536CA), and he would > like whatever information he can get about it and opinions on the horn > itself. I figured I could help him out by coming here with his request... > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1965 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:15:06 -0800 From: Stan Brager To: "'Douglas Yeo'" , "trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu" Subject: RE: Ophicleide for sale on ebay Message-ID: <01C0A15E.CA8CD980.sbrager2@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The current bid is $1,250... Stan Stan Brager Trombonist-in-Training -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Yeo [SMTP:yeo@yeodoug.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 3:42 PM To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Ophicleide for sale on ebay Ebay is offering an ophicleide for sale at: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=1413237772 From the photos, I can't tell what key it is in (C or B flat); I've asked the seller to measure it which would give a clue). It appears to be 9 keys (standard - those with more keys don't always have better intonation), the bocal is the "later" style with a moveable tuning slide, mouthpiece appears to be original. No way to know what pitch it is at (some are a=441 or higher, others are much lower). The seller is in Uruguay but has an exemplary positive feedback record on Ebay. While there's no way to know how it plays (whether it needs significant restoration or can play as is) the condition from the photos appears to be very good; it is an interesting instrument which will surely fill a nice place in someone's collection. FYI. -Doug Yeo (who plays ophicleide) ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1965 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:12:24 -0500 From: "Nanette L. Kappus" To: mariat@qwest.net Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Thank You.... Message-ID: <3A9D2367.BA7D9E40@eznet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maria, My prayers are with you and I hope your injuries heal fast and complete. Be happy that you are alive, cars can be replaced. My best to you. Nanette BiNaK 495 Musical Instrument Oil "Maria R. Tekle-Wolde" wrote: > I just wanted to thank all of you for everything.. > > I've learned a lot from this list over the years and > it's been great meeting a lot of you in person... > > I'm writing this email cause I can't play my trombone > for awhile.. I was in a car accident on Monday morning > in Wisconsin (rolled once)... the only car I've ever > had in my name (title, etc) and I only had it 48 hours.. > > Just glad to be alive and hope to get rid of the swelling > on the right half of my face! > > Wishing all of you the best of luck, > Maria R. Tekle-Wolde > > PS.. I'm just bummed out now though cause I was suppose to > go to the Siouxland Trombone Festival in Sioux Falls, SD > where Joe Alessi is guest... *pout* ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1965 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:48:37 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Thank You.... Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Maria, OUCH! I hope you?re feeling better, soon, if not already. If you can pout, you?re well on your way to being able to play trombone. I just made that up and there?s probably not a thread of truth to it, but having something to believe in certainly goes a long way and that bit of hokum, just might be something that you can hang on to. As for the accident, I had a brush with death, a couple of years ago. I large chunk of concrete came through my windshield, while I was driving at 80 MPH, on the freeway. It bent the heck out of my steering wheel, showered me with glass and gave me one amazing adrenaline rush, but other than that, I was unscathed. It really upset me, though, and I really didn?t like driving after that. I find that I can work out my thoughts, best, if I write them, so I sat down at my computer and wrote a letter to Death. It was a time when I easily could have attached some significance to the accident and what it ?meant?. I could have easily decided that it was an omen, showing me that it was time to stop driving fast cars, or to stop driving fast, or to stop driving, or to get religious, or change my hair color (alas, no-one would see that, anyway) ?you know, things like that. But in the process of composing that letter, I realized that I had nothing in my life that I wanted to drastically change (other than to buy a dozen or so, more trombones, I guess). I realized that my life was pretty great, just the way it is. That, in and of itself, made it all worth going through. Now if I can just fend off a late ?mid?-life crisis, or die young (a wee bit late for that), I can keep that pretty great, in tact. DanP R. Tekle-Wolde" Reply-To: mariat@qwest.net To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Thank You.... Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:51:19 -0600 I just wanted to thank all of you for everything.. I've learned a lot from this list over the years and it's been great meeting a lot of you in person... I'm writing this email cause I can't play my trombone for awhile.. I was in a car accident on Monday morning in Wisconsin (rolled once)... the only car I've ever had in my name (title, etc) and I only had it 48 hours.. Just glad to be alive and hope to get rid of the swelling on the right half of my face! Wishing all of you the best of luck, Maria R. Tekle-Wolde PS.. I'm just bummed out now though cause I was suppose to go to the Siouxland Trombone Festival in Sioux Falls, SD where Joe Alessi is guest... *pout* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1965 Date: 28 Feb 2001 11:58:06 -0500 From: Peter_Eiden@prenhall.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Mouthpiece Plating Message-ID: <"/GUID:QfIKryYcN1RGZNgBgCI2PYQ*/G=Peter/S=Eiden/OU=exchange/O=pearsontc/PRMD=pearson/ADMD=telemail/C=us/"@MHS> Chuck McAlexander at the Brasslab in NYC (212) 243-7180 does a bunch of plating work for Stork. (He and John Stork worked at Giardinelli when they were in the city). I don't recall if all he does is 'special' plating, or all types, but worth a call. Pete Eiden -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu] Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 11:57 AM To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Mouthpiece Plating on 2/27/01 7:46 PM, Charles Perron at trombird@home.com sent forth into the cosmos: > Does anybody have any recommendations/suggestions where I can have 2 old > mouthpieces plated? One is a one piece and the other has a screw rim. > > I live in NJ with easy access to both NYC and Philly if that makes a > difference. > > Thanks, > > Chuck > > Chuck- I'd check with Dillon, I don't know if they do plating themselves, or if they send it out, but that's where I'd start... Dillon Music Woodbridge, NJ (732) 634-3399 -- Walter Barrett "When trombones are outlawed, only outlaws will have trombones!" Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1965 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:27:18 -0500 From: chardy@totcon.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: McDonald arrangements Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20010228162718.00683ab8@totcon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Some McDonald arrangements are listed in the Aebersold catalog. Charlie ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1965 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:39:01 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Ophicleide for sale on ebay Message-ID: <00cf01c0a1ad$8e6e95c0$157868d5@q9y6f8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Yeo" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 11:41 PM Subject: Ophicleide for sale on ebay > -Doug Yeo (who plays ophicleide) Doug, do they call you 'Boney and 'Cleide? A. Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk www.adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1965 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:03:17 -0500 From: Walter Barrett To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Ophicleide for sale on ebay Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 2/28/01 12:39 PM, Adrian Drover at slide.rule@adios.co.uk sent forth into the cosmos: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Douglas Yeo" > To: "Trombones and related issues forum." > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 11:41 PM > Subject: Ophicleide for sale on ebay > > > >> -Doug Yeo (who plays ophicleide) > > Doug, do they call you 'Boney and 'Cleide? > > A. And if the Queen were to knight Doug, would we have to call him "Sir Pent?" -- Walter Barrett "When trombones are outlawed, only outlaws will have trombones!" Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1965 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:15:14 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: G****** Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010228111450.00ae0f00@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At the risk of mentioning the unmentionable, take a look at: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1116562174 Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446m W103d 12.700m (or so) Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, you breathe...) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1965 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:28:42 -0700 From: "Holst, Bill" To: "'yeo@yeodoug.com'" Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum. (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Bruckner Motets Message-ID: <65B9C0230E16D311B9D600105A090E6F34058B@FIR> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Doug, I am not familiar with Deutsche Grammophon recording, but do own the Hyperion recording by the Corydon Singers with Matthew Best. This is an excellent vocal group. They are all adult voices, but the sound is much like King's College. I highly recommend this recording. I agree that the Bruckner motets are amazing compositions. They seem to combine elements of Renaissance modality with Wagner-like sonorities and wonderful trombone writing. In the liner notes to our CD, Dr. Bill Runyan commented, "Anton Bruckner, while a committed disciple of Wagner, could not have been more unlike the latter. Bruckner was a devout Catholic and an accomplished organist, focusing his compositional efforts on sacred organ and vocal music, as well as on symphonies with 'Gothic grandeur.' His music in all three media resounds with the sonic space of large cathedrals. Bruckner's style of orchestration reflects his skill and experience as an organist; his symphonies are characterized by large, alternating blocks of blended and contrasting colors not unlike that of organ registration. The brass section - and especially trombones - play an important part in this scheme. In these performances of two of Bruckner's choral motets, the natural reverberance of the church provides a perfect acoustic ambiance for these sonorous compositions. The original trombone parts are maintained, while the organ substitutes for voices." We recorded two of the motets, Ecce sacerdos and Inveni David, on our CD of music for trombones and organ, "All Day Meeting and Dinner on the Ground", which is available on our website at www.hatq.org. Later, Bill Holst, Colorado Springs Symphony Orchestra and High Altitude Trombone Quartet -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Yeo [mailto:yeo@yeodoug.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 5:39 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Bruckner Motets The Bruckner Motets (most for unaccompanied choir, but some with trombone accompaniment) are magnificent, and my 9 recordings of them fill a wonderful spot in my collection and ongoing aural consciousness. Some of you may be aware of my arrangements of the Ave Maria and Inveni David for trombone choir which are published by Southern Music. My fascination with this sublime and powerful music is deep and ongoing as I know it is for many of you. I've recently heard of a new release of several of the Motets, but I have been unsuccessful in finding it online or in stores, perhaps it is just too new. But... if any list members have seen it or found it, could you let me know where. Details: Deutsche Grammophon DGG 459 674-2; the Bruckner Mass No. 1 in D minor (John Eliot Gardiner conducting the Vienna Philharmonic), plus the motets Ave Maria, Christus factus est, Locus iste, Os justi meditabitur, and Tota pulchra es Maria. Released December 2000. Thanks very much. -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1965 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:30:10 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Thank You.... Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010228112854.00b44410@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:10 AM 2/28/01 -0800, Gary D. Maxwell blasted the following out into the ether: Hi Maria, Take care and heal well. I have enjoyed reading your posts and corresponding, from time to time. It will hurt not to be able to play your ax at the Trombone Festival, but it might hurt more to not even be there. If you can get there, you should go an have a good time. Leave the trombone at home. Gary's right -- if you're ambulatory, you should at least go and LISTEN. Listening is a major part of constant improvement in your playing. Hope you're not too banged up! I rolled a car once, and I was pretty fortunate -- not a scratch on ME, but the car got a new roof... Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446m W103d 12.700m (or so) Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, you breathe...) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1965 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:34:28 -0500 From: "cobalt321" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Romeo & Juliet Suite No. 2 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom, I've had the pleasure of playing this suite on six different occasions, and I was always instructed (when the question came up) to play it out along with the other bass voices, except where it returns and starts out quiet and crescendos back to "full" volume (after the flute solo section). I hope that this helps you. The R&J Suites are some of my favorite works in the rep. Fritz Graf Instructor of Low Brasses MSD of Wayne Twp. Marion Co. Indianapolis, Indiana -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu]O n Behalf Of Thomas Smee Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 10:33 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Romeo & Juliet Suite No. 2 A question for the bass trombonists out there who have played Prokofiev's Romeo & Juliet: I'm looking at the bass trombone part to the second suite. The first movement contains the music that I think is called Dance of the Knights in the complete ballet. Anyway its the part where the bass trombone and other low instruments have the E, G, E, G, etc. bass line. The thing that surprised me was that the first entrance of that bass line is marked 'p'. Someone crossed that out in pencil and marked it 'f', which is the dynamic I've heard it played in every recording I own. I had planned to play it at a fairly healthy dynamic for the first two bars then back off a bit when the violins come in with the melody. If you have played the part, please let me know what you did with that dynamic and what the conductor said. Thanks. Tom ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1965 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:36:28 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: TSMee@dwpv.com, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Romeo & Juliet Suite No. 2 Message-ID: <20010228223628.35055.qmail@web10308.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Thomas Smee wrote: > I'm looking at the bass trombone part to the second suite. The first > movement contains the music that I think is called Dance of the > Knights in the complete ballet. Anyway its the part where the bass > trombone and other low instruments have the E, G, E, G, etc. bass > line. The thing that surprised me was that the first entrance of that > bass line is marked 'p'. Someone crossed that out in pencil and > marked it 'f', which is the dynamic I've heard it played in every > recording I own. I had planned to play it at a fairly healthy dynamic > for the first two bars then back off a bit when the violins come in > with the melody. If you have played the part, please let me know what > you did with that dynamic and what the conductor said. > Thanks. > Tom I've done exactly the same thing - 99% positive that's a misprint. Gabe > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1965 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:58:20 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Romeo & Juliet Suite No. 2 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 10:32 AM -0500 2/28/01, Thomas Smee wrote: A question for the bass trombonists out there who have played Prokofiev's Romeo & Juliet: I'm looking at the bass trombone part to the second suite. The first movement contains the music that I think is called Dance of the Knights in the complete ballet. Anyway its the part where the bass trombone and other low instruments have the E, G, E, G, etc. bass line. The thing that surprised me was that the first entrance of that bass line is marked 'p'. Someone crossed that out in pencil and marked it 'f', which is the dynamic I've heard it played in every recording I own. I had planned to play it at a fairly healthy dynamic for the first two bars then back off a bit when the violins come in with the melody. I agree with others that this is likely a misprint. The first movement in the Second Suite is a adaptation of No. 37 (at rehearsal 284, which opens Act III) and No. 13 (at rehearsal 76 from Act I) of the full ballet (which the Boston Sym recorded a number of years ago on DG); in the full ballet, the passage you reference above is marked "forte - pesante." There are some significant changes in dynamic in the middle section which differs in the Suite from the full ballet score, but the opening is the same in both renderings. Tom, I would check the tuba part and the conductor's score, anything is possible - this thematic material appears in various guises throughout the ballet and it's possible your edition is a compilation by someone other than Prokofiev. Many conductors like to put together their own Suite (most of which, including Prokofiev's own, make little sense if trying to follow the plot - ending a Suite with the "Death of Tybalt" is a little like tearing out the last 5 chapters of a book and presenting it as a finished product, but, hey, it SOUNDS good!). -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1965 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:08:35 -0500 From: Randy Campora To: TSMee@dwpv.com, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Romeo & Juliet Suite No. 2 Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010228210752.00991100@mail.telephonet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:32 AM 2/28/2001 , Thomas Smee wrote: A question for the bass trombonists out there who have played Prokofiev's Romeo & Juliet: I'm looking at the bass trombone part to the second suite. The first movement contains the music that I think is called Dance of the Knights in the complete ballet. Anyway its the part where the bass trombone and other low instruments have the E, G, E, G, etc. bass line. The thing that surprised me was that the first entrance of that bass line is marked 'p'. Someone crossed that out in pencil and marked it 'f', which is the dynamic I've heard it played in every recording I own. I had planned to play it at a fairly healthy dynamic for the first two bars then back off a bit when the violins come in with the melody. If you have played the part, please let me know what you did with that dynamic and what the conductor said. Yes, this is a misprint, the tuba is marked Forte. Go to it, young man! -Randy Campora ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Randy Campora, Bass Trombonist Baltimore Symphony Orchestra Peabody Conservatory of Music campora@peabody.jhu.edu 410-461-1984 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1965 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:23:17 -0600 From: "ksdowdy" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Thank You.... Message-ID: <004f01c0a207$81091220$71190f3f@m2y9x8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maria, Get well soon! Eight years in Wisconsin almost killed me. I'm glad I left! Anyway, the swelling will go down, and if that is the worst of it, you'll be just fine in a few days. Good luck! KSD ----- Original Message ----- From: Maria R. Tekle-Wolde To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 8:51 AM Subject: Thank You.... > I just wanted to thank all of you for everything.. > > I've learned a lot from this list over the years and > it's been great meeting a lot of you in person... > > I'm writing this email cause I can't play my trombone > for awhile.. I was in a car accident on Monday morning > in Wisconsin (rolled once)... the only car I've ever > had in my name (title, etc) and I only had it 48 hours.. > > Just glad to be alive and hope to get rid of the swelling > on the right half of my face! > > Wishing all of you the best of luck, > Maria R. Tekle-Wolde > > PS.. I'm just bummed out now though cause I was suppose to > go to the Siouxland Trombone Festival in Sioux Falls, SD > where Joe Alessi is guest... *pout* ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1965 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:40:38 +0200 From: "H du Plooy" To: "Tom Izzo" Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Barber of Seville Message-ID: <20010301104038.21286.qmail@proliant2.mailgate.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:11:10 -0600, "Tom Izzo" wrote: > Which one was printed earlier? > > Tom Concert was last night, and I didn't check the dates (music's handed back in). But I ended up playing the higher part, because the conductor decided that it sounded nicer. Such is life... :-) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------- Brought to you by Ananzi Mail http://mail.ananzi.co.za ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1965--