TROMBONE-L Digest 1963 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) OTJ Classifieds Update - 02/26/2001 by Chris Waage 2) New Home for the Trombone-l Digest Archive by Listmonitor Trombone-L 3) Re: Mutes for Bach alto by Tbcwes@aol.com 4) OTJ Classifieds by Brian French 5) Bach 42 for sale by "Douglas A. Rowe" 6) Re: Mutes for Bach alto by "Chuck De Paolo" 7) Re: "french" cases still made? by "Lisa & Patrick Bates" 8) Re: Mutes for Bach alto by Andrew Michael 9) High Range Exercises by "Rod Ellard" 10) Re: High Range Exercises by Tbcwes@aol.com 11) RE: High Range Exercises by "David Pozos" 12) BAM Bass Trombone Case by "Chuck De Paolo" 13) Re: copper leadpipes by Gabriel Langfur 14) Fw: by "Steve Raglin" 15) RE: High Range Exercises by Beth Lewis 16) Re: copper leadpipes now Monette mpt. by "Ben Gurton" 17) Re: Bach 42 for sale by "Joseph Sellmansberger" 18) Re: Bach 42 for sale by Douglas A Rowe 19) Re: Bach 42 for sale by "Dean McCarty" 20) Greenhoe for sale by kedbrown@indiana.edu 21) Re: Bach 42 for sale by PyroGuy211@aol.com 22) Bach codes (was Bach 42 for sale) by "Dean McCarty" 23) Re: Bach codes (was Bach 42 for sale) by Jay Heltzer 24) Re: Bach codes by "Joseph Sellmansberger" 25) RE: Bach codes (was Bach 42 for sale) by "Andrew Elms" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1963 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 07:52:48 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: OTJ Classifieds Update - 02/26/2001 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" The Online Trombone Journal Classifieds (http://www.trombone.org/classifieds) have been updated as of 7:51 a.m. CST on February 26, 2001 with 22 new ads. OTJ Instrument Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/instruments.asp OTJ Accessory Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/accessories.asp OTJ Music Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/music.asp OTJ Classifieds Frequently Asked Questions http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/faq.asp To place an ad: http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/adform.asp If you have any questions or comments about the Online Trombone Journal Classifieds, please contact me at chris@trombone.org. Chris -- ________________________________________________ Chris Waage chris@trombone.org Associate Webmaster The Online Trombone Journal http://www.trombone.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1963 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:22:20 -0600 From: Listmonitor Trombone-L To: Trombone-L Subject: New Home for the Trombone-l Digest Archive Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" About six weeks ago, a query was sent to the list looking for a new location to host the trombone-l digest archive. The current archive, at more than 30 megabytes, was growing beyond the space available at the current hosting site. Thanks to the hard work of Richard Human, the new home of the trombone-l digest archive also offers subscription maintenance features, and will eventually offer a completely text-searchable archive. The new location of the trombone-l digest archive is at: http://www.trombone.org/trombone-l LM -- --------------------------------------- trombone-l digest archives and useful trombone-l information are available at http://www.trombone.org/trombone-l ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1963 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:24:23 EST From: Tbcwes@aol.com To: andy@coastside.net, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Mutes for Bach alto Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c5.e4da775.27cbc117_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline I use flugel horn mutes. Go to your local music shop and check out what they have. -Wes ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1963 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:58:33 -0500 (EST) From: Brian French To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: OTJ Classifieds Message-ID: <381909748.983199517082.JavaMail.root@web537-wrb.mail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi List, Shameless plug . . . I've recently submitted an ad on the OTJ Classifieds Page. If anyone out there has (or knows of) a student looking for a "starter" horn, take a look at the ad! The horn needs a bit of slide work (non-parallel inner slides), but it has a nice, clean sound across the range. You can reach the page at: www.trombone.org/classifieds/instruments.asp Thanks, Brian Brian French Principal Trombonist, Winston-Salem Symphony Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1963 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:31:58 -0600 From: "Douglas A. Rowe" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Bach 42 for sale Message-ID: <3A9A76EE.A38484BB@stolaf.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reason for selling: I have switched to and purchased a bass trombone, which needs to be paid for. Description: 1996 Bach Stradivarious 42GBO (.547 bore) -- gold brass bell and open wrap F attachment (standard rotor). Included are a Bach coffin style hard case and a Protec lightweight shoulder case. The horn is in excellent condition. It was played for 2.5 years. There are two dings in the horn (both in the bell), neither of them severe, one is dimple sized from the metal edge of a dropped folder, the other is a bit larger where I bumped the horn on a stool while walking. There is also some wear on the metal hand braces from where I held onto it (I have acidic sweat that eats at the metal). The lacquer is in great condition, with the exception of two very small spots which the lacquer has worn. However, none of the wear on the horn affects the sound. The slide works well, and over all the horn has a very nice, even sound. To my recollection, there are no stuffy notes or major intonation problems with the horn. The cases are both in excellent condition. I'm asking $1500 + shipping, however I will seriously consider other reasonable offers. List price for an identical new horn is $2460 according to the Brasswind catalog (although last time I called about a horn, it seemed that the prices had gone up), and list price for a new Protec case is $169. We can discuss payment methods and trial periods once interest has been stated. Contact information: (507) 646-2307 rowed@stolaf.edu dug -- ______________________________________________ Douglas A. Rowe Bass Trombone rowed@stolaf.edu **************************************** "Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." -Robert Louis Stevenson ***************************************** http://www.stolaf.edu/people/rowed/ _________________________________________________ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1963 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:06:03 -0500 From: "Chuck De Paolo" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Mutes for Bach alto Message-ID: <00c001c0a00e$051f5660$0200a8c0@ws2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Denis Wick makes a straight mute explicitly for the alto trombone (our number 32246.) I don't see that they make a cup mute, although I would not be surprised to see that they had added one to their lineup recently. Hope this helps! (please quote this message if you reply) In Music, ---Chuck General Manager & Webmaster Hickey's Music Center 104 Adams Street Ithaca, NY 14850 607.272.8262 (Phone) 607.272.2203 (Fax) chuck@hickeys.com (E-Mail) http://www.hickeys.com (Website) http://www.weather.com/weather/us/zips/14850.html (Weather) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Michael" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 2:24 AM Subject: Mutes for Bach alto > Hi, > > I'm looking for both a straight mute and a cup mute to use with > my Bach alto trombone. > > Due to the small bell size, just using > tenor mutes like a straight Jo-Ral is out of the question. This > is because the end of the mute is as big as the bell and annoyingly > close to the slide. I tried a symphonic trumpet straight mute which > was surprisingly decent until I got into the low register. An old > stone-lined straight mute was decent and is a possibility. But, > I'd like to know what others are using. > > I also tried my Stone-lined cup mute, but the cup is absurdly far > from the rim of the bell. > > Thanks, > Andy Michael > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1963 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:28:01 -0500 From: "Lisa & Patrick Bates" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: "french" cases still made? Message-ID: <003301c0a011$33940240$d8885fd8@plbates> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was in a store called Marshall Music in Lansing Michigan on the weekend, and they had several in stock. They look like the same case my old 42B came in, but the colour(canandian spelling before I get jumped on) was different. I told him about this thread, and he had no idea what I was talking about. Patrick Lisa & Patrick Bates Bates Paint Horses R. R. #3 Bothwell, ON Canada N0P 1C0 (519) 695 - 3711 www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/4345 ----- Original Message ----- From: Gabriel Langfur To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 11:20 AM Subject: RE: "french" cases still made? > > --- Randy Campora wrote: > > Bach makes a "french" style case but is only currently sold in Japan. > > I'll bet they buy these from Yamaha...they make a case that fits this > description, and it's also not available here in the US. > > Gabe > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1963 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:19:04 -0800 From: Andrew Michael To: "Jeff Albert" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Mutes for Bach alto Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I am going to admit to some ignorance and ask "Is there really much call for >alto trombone mutes, especially a cup mute?" Not much, but I'm currently working on Koetsier's Concerto Grosso. It just takes one. Cheers, ANdy ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1963 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:47:25 -0800 From: "Rod Ellard" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: High Range Exercises Message-ID: <000c01c0a01c$2ef7e3e0$527bfea9@Ellard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C09FD9.1FD8DEC0" Is anyone familiar with Norman Bolter's "High Range Exercises" and has an opinion about them? Rod ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1963 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:57:17 EST From: Tbcwes@aol.com To: ellard@sprint.ca, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: High Range Exercises Message-ID: <4a.11fafaa7.27cbf2fd@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4a.11fafaa7.27cbf2fd_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline they are high ;-) if you have ever heard Norman play in that register - you will believe in them - it is scary -Wes ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1963 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:09:03 -0600 From: "David Pozos" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: High Range Exercises Message-ID: <001801c0a01f$33cbd2c0$8fc2180a@davidpoz.xal.megared.net.mx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C09FEC.E8A1F400" I have been working with these exercises for about 8 months now and they have worked well for me. I«ve just started squeaking out high Ab. You have to follow his instructions about resting the minimum amount of time or more between each exercise. If you don«t you will kill your self. I recommend them highly (pun intended). David Pozos Primer Tromb—n Orquesta Sinf—nica de Xalapa www.osx.org.mx -----Mensaje original----- De: Rod Ellard <ellard@sprint.ca> Para: Trombones and related issues forum. <trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu> Fecha: Lunes, 26 de Febrero de 2001 11:34 a.m. Asunto: High Range Exercises Is anyone familiar with Norman Bolter's "High Range Exercises" and has an opinion about them? Rod ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1963 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:16:33 -0500 From: "Chuck De Paolo" To: "Trombone List" Subject: BAM Bass Trombone Case Message-ID: <026c01c0a028$a1d43970$0200a8c0@ws2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Speaking of French cases... BAM France has just released a new case for bass trombone in the classic "French" shape. To look at it, the case appears to modeled on the old Bach French cases made for their 50 series basses years ago. However, unlike the wood framed Bach, this new case is a solid block of expanded foam covered on the outside in a heavy waterproof nylon. Inside, the foam is covered in a nice green velvet material. The empty case weighs in at a very light 8.3 pounds, and loaded with a Bach 50B3O it's only 13.5 pounds (sans mouthpieces etc.) It's all black with permanently attached backpack style straps and a medium sized external carry pouch. There's a handle on the end of the case as well as in the traditional spot. The external pouch is roughly 8.5" x 14" and quite flat, so its use is limited to smaller music scores, date books, plane tickets, etc. Inside the case you can store a mouthpiece or two, plus a few small items like a spray bottle, oils etc. It's not a carry-all case -- not even close -- forget about stowing lunch or a microwave or whatever in there. The length of the case is 38.5". At its widest point, the bell flare, it is 14". This would not be a good case to check as luggage unless you put it into an SKB golf bag carrier, but depending on the plane, it might fit into an overhead. I tested a Bach 50B3O (open wrap dual independent rotor) bass with a standard 9.5" bell in the case. The fit was "sweet" and secure. The slide is held in the lid in a soft, nicely formed area and secured with two lobes of foam. There are no straps or tiedowns, but the slide is held tight nonetheless. The bell section rests nicely on the bottom part of the case as would be expected. The bell flare itself is securely cradled all the way around in foam. There appears to be plenty of room for other valve configurations and tuning slide lengths. Maximum bell diameter appears to be 10". When I measure out 10.5", the ruler is pressing real hard into the foam. Not ideal IMO. Therefore I recommend anyone with those 10.5" Bach monsters to have a look elsewhere. I will have a photo of the case up on our site in the future. Oh yeah, the price -- it retails at $350. We will be selling it for $249.95 plus shipping. Catalog number, just created, is 38141. I have only one in stock right now, but it looks as though they are readily available, so backorders should not be a problem. It's not on our site at the moment, but will be this afternoon (Feb 26th.) (please quote this message if you reply) In Music, ---Charles De Paolo General Manager & Webmaster Hickey's Music Center 104 Adams Street Ithaca, NY 14850 607.272.8262 (Phone) 607.272.2203 (Fax) chuck@hickeys.com (E-Mail) http://www.hickeys.com (Website) http://www.weather.com/weather/us/zips/14850.html (Weather) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1963 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:37:52 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: copper leadpipes Message-ID: <20010226193752.78534.qmail@web10315.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I haven't tried pure copper, but Steve Shires makes gold brass leadpipes (higher copper content than yellow brass), and I've tried those. Very nice with some combinations of bell, slide, etc., but not centered enough in combination with the red brass bell I play - the pitch center doesn't feel as stable as with a yellow brass pipe of the same dimension. With a gold or yellow brass bell, though, the gold brass in the leadpipe adds a nice warmth to the sound for me. Your results will of course vary from mine - and given that you can successfully play a Monette mouthpiece, I imagine your results will vary A LOT from mine! Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1963 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:15:59 -0600 From: "Steve Raglin" To: Subject: Fw: Message-ID: <009901c0a039$56d8c240$e2bf22d0@steve> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0096_01C0A007.05FDACA0" From: Steve Raglin Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 12:35 PM Subject: Re: High Range Exercises Claude Gordon also has a book that deals quite a bit with high notes, among other areas of the horn. The name of the book is Systematic Approach To Daily Practice In Bass Clef. It really helped me extend my range. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: David Pozos To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 12:09 PM Subject: RE: High Range Exercises I have been working with these exercises for about 8 months now and they have worked well for me. I«ve just started squeaking out high Ab. You have to follow his instructions about resting the minimum amount of time or more between each exercise. If you don«t you will kill your self. I recommend them highly (pun intended). David Pozos Primer Tromb—n Orquesta Sinf—nica de Xalapa www.osx.org.mx -----Mensaje original----- De: Rod Ellard <ellard@sprint.ca> Para: Trombones and related issues forum. <trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu> Fecha: Lunes, 26 de Febrero de 2001 11:34 a.m. Asunto: High Range Exercises Is anyone familiar with Norman Bolter's "High Range Exercises" and has an opinion about them? Rod ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1963 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:37:48 -0500 (EST) From: Beth Lewis To: David Pozos Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: High Range Exercises Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Also (this is something I heard directly from him), they're supposed to (just) be done every other day and SLOWLY if you want to really benefit from them. Another thing to try that has been helping me to steadily (slowly) improve/extend my high register is Bill Adam's method of doing long tones: start on a middle Bb, playing it as long as you can with a good free sound (or F if you don't want to go as much into the high register or have less time), then play A in the same manner, then B natural, then Ab, C, (etc., with as much rest as needed, til you get to the highest note you can get with NO tension in the wrong places, good sound etc, or low E on the lower side (top space treble E would be the note right after it using this sequence), if you see what I mean. It would be possible to go even higher/lower, but the point being to get a great, consistent sound with no extra tension, that could be detrimental. just another (time consuming but worth it) way to approach high register development. Beth Lewis On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, David Pozos wrote: > I have been working with these exercises for about 8 months now and they have worked well for me. I´ve just started squeaking out high Ab. You have to follow his instructions about resting the minimum amount of time or more between each exercise. If you don´t you will kill your self. I recommend them highly (pun intended). > > David Pozos > Primer Trombón > Orquesta Sinfónica de Xalapa > www.osx.org.mx > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Rod Ellard > Para: Trombones and related issues forum. > Fecha: Lunes, 26 de Febrero de 2001 11:34 a.m. > Asunto: High Range Exercises > > > Is anyone familiar with Norman Bolter's "High Range Exercises" and has an opinion about them? Rod > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1963 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:57:32 +1100 From: "Ben Gurton" To: "Trombone-l" Subject: Re: copper leadpipes now Monette mpt. Message-ID: <004601c0a047$8257fae0$720b65cb@user> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Your results will of course vary from mine - and given that you can > successfully play a Monette mouthpiece, I imagine your results will > vary A LOT from mine! > > Gabe > On this note, what have been peoples experiences with the Monette mouthpieces. I purchased a TT5 the other week off list member John Olsson (thanks John) to try out. Needless to say I am struggling centering notes or getting any sort of decent sound out of it. In the Monette guidelines it states that the sound produced works better at a distance......hhhhmmmm.....I'm considering asking the audience to sit quite a long way a way at the moment! I must say i'm enjoying playing around with it though, just dont' sound that great. Ben Gurton ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1963 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:05:26 -0600 From: "Joseph Sellmansberger" To: "trombone list" Subject: Re: Bach 42 for sale Message-ID: <003d01c0a059$63c8a040$ce945d0c@vogmudet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is it bad form to mention this?: Since The Brasswind was mentioned, isn't a new one of these more like (actual net) $1600 + $110 for a ProTec case - NEW ? I own a woodwinds and brass store, and if I asked more than $1700 (NEW) for this package, I think I would have it in stock for quite a while. "Description: 1996 Bach Stradivarious 42GBO (.547 bore) -- gold brass bell and open wrap F attachment (standard rotor)...Included are a Bach coffin style hard case and a Protec lightweightshoulder case...The horn is in excellent condition. It was played for 2.5 years. There are two dings in the horn (both in the bell), neither of them severe,...I'm asking $1500 + shipping, however I will seriously consider other reasonable offers." Joe "probably sticking my neck out, as far as manners go" S. P.S. Don't hesitate to flame, if I've overstepped the boundaries here. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1963 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:39:13 -0600 (CST) From: Douglas A Rowe To: Joseph Sellmansberger Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Bach 42 for sale Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I simply posted a horn I was interested in selling. I looked at the OTJ classifieds, my price is not considerably higher than anything listed there, as well as the fact that I am willing to negotiate. If no one takes interest in buying the horn, then I will re-consider what I have posted. If someone is interested and thinks that this is too much, then we can discuss what they think should be paid and we can come to an agreement. I did not say the price was firm, simply this is what I'm asking after evaluating what other people are asking for similar equipment. In the mean time, the listing stands. dug _________________________________________________ Douglas A. Rowe Bass Trombone rowed@stolaf.edu ****************************************** "Remember that happiness is a way of travel, not a destination." -Roy Goodman ****************************************** http://www.stolaf.edu/people/rowed _________________________________________________ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1963 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:52:01 -0600 From: "Dean McCarty" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Bach 42 for sale Message-ID: <004201c0a05f$e1e51d40$23c12bcf@compaqcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug, you don't owe anyone on this list an apology for listing a Bach 42 for sale. $1500 is a fair price, I think, especially since Selmer has about an 18 - 24 month wait for a new instrument. Besides, we're comparing apples to oranges. In my dealings with the Brasswind... their instruments seem to be not in top shape (by that I mean new condition). I have had them send me "new" instruments to try out with the plastic off and scratches on the horn. The mouthpiece in the case had shank marks from use. Their explanation to me was that those instruments were tried out and sent back... but if I wanted a demo instrument, I could get one of those at a convention. I wanted new and they just don't have that. Better to deal with a local reputable dealer if you have one nearby. If not, I can lead you in the right direction (as can many others on this list). Doug, good luck on the sale. I already have a 42GH with a Thayer... so I'm not in the market... but your price is fair I think. But you probably will have to go down a little... that's just the nature of selling. Dean McCarty freelance trombonist, Houston area ----- Original Message ----- From: Douglas A Rowe To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 7:39 PM Subject: Re: Bach 42 for sale > I simply posted a horn I was interested in selling. I looked at the OTJ > classifieds, my price is not considerably higher than anything listed > there, as well as the fact that I am willing to negotiate. > > If no one takes interest in buying the horn, then I will re-consider what > I have posted. If someone is interested and thinks that this is too much, > then we can discuss what they think should be paid and we can come to an > agreement. I did not say the price was firm, simply this is what I'm > asking after evaluating what other people are asking for similar > equipment. In the mean time, the listing stands. > > dug > > _________________________________________________ > Douglas A. Rowe Bass Trombone > > > rowed@stolaf.edu > > ****************************************** > > "Remember that happiness is a way of > travel, not a destination." > > -Roy Goodman > > > ****************************************** > > http://www.stolaf.edu/people/rowed > _________________________________________________ > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1963 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:22:21 -0500 From: kedbrown@indiana.edu To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Greenhoe for sale Message-ID: <200102270222.VAA20255@indiana.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi List - I'm selling a Greenhoe valve. It fits a shires .547 tenor trombone and it is in perfect condition. I am asking $900 for it. Feel free to email me with any questions. Kevin ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1963 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:37:04 EST From: PyroGuy211@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Bach 42 for sale Message-ID: <52.7c20163.27cc6cd0@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_52.7c20163.27cc6cd0_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline What is the difference between the 42 BO, GH, GL, B etc.... just wondering.. and on the subject. i can get a new strad for 1250 from my local store...but i have a 1976 model 42 so im fine until graduation(when i get a shires:)) Michael ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1963 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:27:46 -0600 From: "Dean McCarty" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Bach codes (was Bach 42 for sale) Message-ID: <001501c0a06d$47c5d200$ee0960cc@compaqcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C0A03A.F66D9D20" On BachÊtrombones the number indicates the instrument model (i.e.: 42 = .547 bore Strad. trombone) any letters afterwards indicate the following: G = gold brass bell (if no G, then the bell is yellow brass) H = heavy-weight bell O = open-wrap K = balanced (K) valve A = Hagmann valve T = Thayer valve B = standard rotor C = convertible (valve to straight horn) L = 10.5" bell (bass trombones only) no letter = no attachment Then, for bass trombones, there could be another number following the letter (i.e.: 50B3). The numbers indicate the following: 2 = dual/dependent valves 3 = dual/independent valves no number = single valve So there are many different combinations as far as bell sections go. As for slides there are these options: standard slide (yellow brass) light-weight slide (nickel silver) removable leadpipes are an option (3 leadpipe combination included in this option) Hope that this makes things clear as mud. With all of the options out there now, sometimes I wish things were like the old days where if you wanted a Bach you got a 42B and if you wanted a Conn you got an 88-H.Ê I'm not complaining though... Now you can "customize" just about any make of instrument and you can say that you chose this just for you. Edwards, Shires, Bach, Conn, et.al... they all now offer almost endless combinations. Then just when you think you've got it all figured out... then you have to choose a mouthpiece... now there is a never ending thread on this list. Dean McCarty freelance trombonist, Houston area ----- Original Message ----- From: PyroGuy211@aol.com To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 8:37 PM Subject: Re: Bach 42 for sale What is the difference between the 42 BO, GH, GL, B etc.... just wondering.. and on the subject. i can get a new strad for 1250 from my local store...but i have a 1976 model 42 so im fine until graduation(when i get a shires:)) Michael ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1963 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:44:36 -0600 From: Jay Heltzer To: Dean McCarty Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Bach codes (was Bach 42 for sale) Message-ID: <3A9B30B3.801930E6@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------0DA8C3959ACB86AE23D8928D" Dean McCarty wrote: On Bach trombones the number indicates the instrument model (i.e.: 42 = .547 bore Strad. trombone) any letters afterwards indicate the following:ÊG = gold brass bell (if no G, then the bell is yellow brass)H = heavy-weight bellO = open-wrapK = balanced (K) valveA = Hagmann valveT = Thayer valveB = standard rotorC = convertible (valve to straight horn)L = 10.5" bell (bass trombones only)no letter = no attachment I have seen on numerous occasions a 42GOM. What the heck is an M? Jay ps - flames out to those wiseguys who feel like reminding me what number letter of the alphabet, or roman numerals, or russian script, or periodic symbol etc, it is. My sore throat and congested lungs can't take up the fight! >8*( ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1963 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:16:29 -0600 From: "Joseph Sellmansberger" To: "trombone list" Subject: Re: Bach codes Message-ID: <00a701c0a07c$75771060$87945d0c@vogmudet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit LR - leaky rotor BS - bad slide TOTMT - trashed and overhauled too many times UF - unfixable KR - "kazoo rotor" (loose bearings - rattles when you play loud) £ - POUND some "cents" into this dummie who sent this to the list !!!! ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1963 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 06:57:10 -0500 From: "Andrew Elms" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Bach codes (was Bach 42 for sale) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01C0A08A.81B7A0C0" M is an open gooseneck. Although, on a 16M, it seems to mean that it comes with a single bore slide. Too busy to come up with other letters, I guess. Andy -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Jay Heltzer Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 11:45 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Bach codes (was Bach 42 for sale) Dean McCarty wrote: On Bach trombones the number indicates the instrument model (i.e.: 42 = .547 bore Strad. trombone) any letters afterwards indicate the following:ÊG = gold brass bell (if no G, then the bell is yellow brass)H = heavy-weight bellO = open-wrapK = balanced (K) valveA = Hagmann valveT = Thayer valveB = standard rotorC = convertible (valve to straight horn)L = 10.5" bell (bass trombones only)no letter = no attachment I have seen on numerous occasions a 42GOM. What the heck is an M? Jay ps - flames out to those wiseguys who feel like reminding me what number letter of the alphabet, or roman numerals, or russian script, or periodic symbol etc, it is. My sore throat and congested lungs can't take up the fight! >8*( ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1963--