TROMBONE-L Digest 1962 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Stand Light Advice by "Adrian Drover" 2) Igor (no bone content) by "Adrian Drover" 3) Re: Igor (no bone content) by Anders.Carlsson@gfs.gu.se (Anders Carlsson) 4) Re: Stand Light advice by David Oliver 5) Re: Stand Light Advice by Craig Parmerlee 6) Rotor Oils by "Anthony Lees" 7) Re: Rotor Oils by "Emil & Cynthia Orth" 8) RE: "french" cases still made? by Gabriel Langfur 9) Re: Barber of Seville by "Neal Schermerhorn" 10) Re: Stand Light advice by Candice & Eric Swanson 11) Re: Stand Light advice by "ksdowdy" 12) TROMBONE-L digest 1961 by gapgar 13) Re: Rotor Oils by Craig Parmerlee 14) Older music by Richard Parmer 15) Phil Smith by Weston Sprott 16) Re: Phil Smith by Rusty.Trombone@cometcity.com 17) Solero software? by Robert A Bates 18) Re: Stand Light advice by "Gary D. Maxwell" 19) Re: Rotor Oils by "Gary D. Maxwell" 20) Re: Phil Smith by James Scott 21) RE: Stand Light advice by "Richardson, Tim" 22) RE: Euphonium Studies (Was Bach and Blazevich) by "Richardson, Tim" 23) RE: Stand Light advice by Craig Parmerlee 24) Re: Phil Smith by Larry White 25) RE: Stand Light advice by "Daniel Pliskin" 26) RE: Stand Light advice by Craig Parmerlee 27) RE: Conical bells (was: <>) by sabutin@mindspring.com 28) Mutes for Bach alto by Andrew Michael 29) Re: Barber of Seville by Philbne@aol.com 30) copper leadpipes by "tbarhaug" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1962 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:17:06 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Re: Stand Light Advice Message-ID: <00e001c09f24$f5b08800$dd9bfc3e@q9y6f8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Saunders" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 4:34 AM Subject: Stand Light advice > Colleagues, > > I am getting stand lights for our quartet, and wonder if I can poll the > list re: good ones and one's to avoid. Please be specific. > > Thanks a million, > > Kevin Saunders, in the dark If everything else fails, try a set of 4 miner's helmets. A. Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk www.adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1962 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:53:53 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Igor (no bone content) Message-ID: <010d01c09f2a$20158d20$dd9bfc3e@q9y6f8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recently saw on the trombone list, an invitation to try out the new Igor music engraving software. Has anyone here with a Macintosh yet tried it? How is it? Just wondering, if it is as good as is claimed, why it is being offered as freeware. A. Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk www.adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1962 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:33:27 +0200 From: Anders.Carlsson@gfs.gu.se (Anders Carlsson) Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Igor (no bone content) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've tried it for a short while. It has some really nice features. The input of articulations is a really easy process compared to Finale. Altogether inputs inputs of notes an d other data works just great. I'm still sticking to Finale for some reasons. In finale you can use different note fonts and I mailny do pop/jazz/commercial stuff so I'm mostly using the jazzfont. The files in Igor are very large in kB's. The finale files are smaller. Igor takes up a lot of RAMmemory. The Igor files doesn't as nice printed as the Finale files. Finale can save as postscript files which enables me to make .pdf files with acrobat distiller. That way I can post files to anyone with a computer and they can print them. This is really useful when I've had to revise music over night for a rehearsal the next morning without having to go there myself. The bandleader just printed them out at his home the next morning when I was still asleep. This free version is Igor engraver LIGHT. The full version will cost money. Much like ProTools or other examples. /Anders Carlsson Gothenburg Sweden "Adrian Drover" wrote: >I recently saw on the trombone list, an invitation to try out the new >Igor >music engraving software. Has anyone here with a Macintosh yet tried >it? >How is it? Just wondering, if it is as good as is claimed, why it is >being >offered as freeware ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1962 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 08:28:08 -0800 From: David Oliver To: kevin@kevingsaunders.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Stand Light advice Message-ID: <3A993297.A06A7DC0@accessnetusa.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I highly recommend the "ConcertLight" by Lampcraft. Go to: www.lampcraft.com It is rechargeable, very bright, and lasts for 4 hours min. on charge. It only takes 4 hours to charge. Definitely also buy the carrying case. Very nice quality on both. It is pricey though, but worth it. David Oliver Broomfield, CO USA Kevin Saunders wrote: > Colleagues, > > I am getting stand lights for our quartet, and wonder if I can poll the list > re: good ones and one's to avoid. Please be specific. > > Thanks a million, > > Kevin Saunders, in the dark ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1962 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 10:41:11 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Stand Light Advice Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010225103238.01ff2600@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:17 PM 2/25/2001 +0000, Adrian Drover wrote: If everything else fails, try a set of 4 miner's helmets. Actually that is what got me started on the LED-based music stand light. Here in Indiana, we have lots of caves. The best dressed spelunkers around here are using those LEDs instead of either incandescent lamps or carbide gas. You can put 24 hours worth of light into a battery pack that is small enough to be mounted INSIDE the helmet without causing any neck strain. This replaces a bulky hip-mounted gel cell that weights about 175 pounds (approximately -- I haven't actually weighed it but it feels that heavy after dragging it a mile on hands and knees). Trombone content: it is good to have some other interests in life. I converted one of my cave helmets and was amazed at the technology. Then the next week I had one of those dark blind gigs, so I put the pieces together. Cheers, Craig ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1962 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:45:46 -0000 From: "Anthony Lees" To: "trombone L mailing list" Subject: Rotor Oils Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit May I ask what rotor oils recommend?? I am currently using the standard UMI one that came with my 88H, but I've heard there are other ones about and I was wondering if any of those are particularly good, is there a 'must have' or is there one which will significantly improve the rotor action. The rotor is fine but I'm wondering if it can be better!? Many thanks, Anthony ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1962 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:56:57 -0600 From: "Emil & Cynthia Orth" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Rotor Oils Message-ID: <005001c09f54$5b1a66a0$82731818@midsouth.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anthony, Do yourself a favor and try a bottle of Binak 495. It works not only on rotors but the slide section also. Its good stuff! Emil ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1962 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 08:20:25 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: "french" cases still made? Message-ID: <20010225162025.83019.qmail@web10301.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Randy Campora wrote: > Bach makes a "french" style case but is only currently sold in Japan. I'll bet they buy these from Yamaha...they make a case that fits this description, and it's also not available here in the US. Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1962 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:10:18 -0500 From: "Neal Schermerhorn" To: "H du Plooy" , Subject: Re: Barber of Seville Message-ID: <005d01c09f56$492d8e20$0101a8c0@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's the poop on Il barbiere: Originally written 1813 for Aureliano in Palmira. The Ricordi critical edition (Zedda, 1969) has no trombones. Kalmus's "original Italian edition" adds a trombone to the above edition. Kalmus's "German edition" has 3 trombones. Source: Daniels, David' Orchestral Music: A Handbook, 1996. I recommend this book! I would assume the high one is the 1st of 3, and therefore the "German" edition; and the low one the 1 of 1, and so the Italian edition. However, I do not know. I note that the German edition has piccolo on at least one flute part - there's a clue. Also, the German edition requires 2 perc (1 on timp, 1 on other) while the critical edition asks for an additional player. Still, I would strongly recommend contacting the conductor or other appropriate people to find out which one. If both are easy enough for you show up to rehearsal with both parts and ask then. Neal Schermerhorn ----- Original Message ----- From: "H du Plooy" To: Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 7:49 AM Subject: Barber of Seville > Dear friends, > > We're doing it this week, and I've got two first trombone parts in my hands, both Beitkopf&Hartell (sp?) edition. But the parts differ, oddly enough. The main difference is that some of the notes (like the B in the first bar) is an octave higher than in the other one. > > So which is the most authentic one? The higer one or the lower one? > > Please reply cc privately to hans@ananzi.co.za > > Thanks > Hans > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Brought to you by Ananzi Mail > http://mail.ananzi.co.za > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1962 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:13:25 -0500 From: Candice & Eric Swanson Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Stand Light advice Message-ID: <3A994B45.DA70B458@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin Saunders wrote: > Colleagues, > > I am getting stand lights for our quartet, and wonder if I can poll the list > re: good ones and one's to avoid. Please be specific. > Kevin, The Universal Clip Light is by far the best. $18.95 from Brasswind, etc. It is pretty much the only light used in professional situations, except for the Manhasset which I don't like as well. I don't think it comes with a bulb, so you'll have to get some of them (Home Depot has best prices). Eric ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1962 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:21:05 -0600 From: "ksdowdy" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Stand Light advice Message-ID: <001301c09f60$1a9011a0$dc3c103f@m2y9x8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Or, you could go to one of the larger bookstores and get a "book light" that uses 4 AA batteries and is bright enough for any but the blind to use and costs less than $10.00. The four AA alkaline batteries in mine last far longer than a 3 hour gig. Mine can also use a plug in adapter if you want to go the AC route. KSD ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Parmerlee To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 11:30 PM Subject: Re: Stand Light advice > At 10:34 PM 2/24/2001 -0600, Kevin Saunders wrote: > >I am getting stand lights for our quartet, and wonder if I can poll the list > >re: good ones and one's to avoid. Please be specific. > > That is easy. There are no good ones sold commercially, period. The ones > that take wall power may provide enough light, but they are a real > hassle. I've seen a whole row of stands go over when a person tripped over > the cord, and I've seen colleagues burn themselves more than once. > > The battery powered ones are pathetic. Basically you can buy a cheap > underpowered fluorescent one for $40 or you can buy an expensive > underpowered one for $150. In either case, there isn't enough juice to > last a 3 hour rehearsal or gig -- not even close. A total waste of money, > IMHO. > > Over the holidays, I developed an LED based light using flexible socket > tubing. It uses the latest Nichia high-powered white LEDs. These things > put out enough light to be quite adequate, and three AA cells give you > strong light for 30 hours! The only drawbacks are that the LEDs are about > 7 times more expensive than standard LEDs. I mounted mine in a flexible > socket tube. This gives you a great deal of flexibility, but it also makes > for tedious manufacturing. I made 12 of them over the holidays. I listed > one of them on eBay and actually sold 6 from that listing (the winner > decided to buy them for everyone in his quintet, and the runner up made me > an offer I couldn't refuse). I sold the others to local friends. > > I could be persuaded to make another batch if there is interest. They > would be $45 for a 3 LED setup and $53 for a 4 LED setup. 3 LEDs provide > adequate coverage. 4 is a bonus. I have a few supplies left, but I'd > probably need to order another batch of LEDs, so it would probably be late > March before I could deliver. If folks are interested, please email me > privately. My original eBay listing is at > http://www.acticalc.com/ebay/standlt.htm That is an approximation of the > product. However, I have made some reinvestments. Now the gooseneck is > shorter and the socket section is longer. That increases the costs, but > makes a more functional product. > > Cheers, > Craig > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1962 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:52:57 -0500 From: gapgar To: "INTERNET:trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu" Subject: TROMBONE-L digest 1961 Message-ID: <200102251453_MC2-C6B9-416F@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Denny Seifried asked the list to reply offline regarding software for learning music theory. I would appreciate receiving a copy of any replies as I would like to significantly improve my understanding of harmony, scales, modes, chord structure, etc. I do know of an internet site that teaches music theory, but I believe it is elementary. For those who are interested the address is: http://www.musictheory.halifax.ns.ca/ George Apgar ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1962 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:07:01 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Rotor Oils Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010225150519.01ee3a80@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:45 PM 2/25/2001 +0000, Anthony Lees wrote: May I ask what rotor oils recommend?? I am currently using the standard UMI one that came with my 88H, but I've heard there are other ones about and I was wondering if any of those are particularly good, is there a 'must have' or is there one which will significantly improve the rotor action. The rotor is fine but I'm wondering if it can be better!? Anthony, Two words: Bi Nak It probably won't make your rotor action better if you aren't experiencing any sticking now. The advantage that Binak gives you is that is doesn't evaporate. If you put it on the valve now, it will still be there 6 weeks from now. Good luck, Craig ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1962 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:59:42 -0700 From: Richard Parmer To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Older music Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" List: Looking for an older music collection. When I was a wee bit younger, there was a collection of the music of the Tijuana Brass called The DeLuxe Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass Music Book. I still have the brass combo book, trombone and two trumpets, but I would like to run down the rest. Keyboards, bass, percussion, etc. . My students really enjoy playing some of the older TJB songs that we have in folio format, and would probably get a kick from this combo book. If anyone should have these and be willing to part with them, or know where I could get them, I would be forever indebted. Contact me off list if you wish. Trombone content. I own a trombone and someone told me that they work better if you blow into the little end. Thanks Parmer ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1962 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:09:42 -0500 From: Weston Sprott To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Phil Smith Message-ID: <200102252109.QAA20250@indiana.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Could someone please repost the website that had the article on Phil Smith? I deleted it by accident. Thanks! Weston Sprott Indiana University 812-857-8589 wsprott@indiana.edu ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1962 Date: 25 Feb 2001 13:43:34 -0800 From: Rusty.Trombone@cometcity.com To: wsprott@indiana.edu Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Phil Smith Message-ID: <20010225214334.5328.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 Let me try this again. Not sure if the other one made it. CNN I believe Wes. Dave On Sun, 25 February 2001, Weston Sprott wrote: > > Could someone please repost the website that had the article on Phil > Smith? I deleted it by accident. Thanks! > > Weston Sprott > Indiana University > 812-857-8589 > wsprott@indiana.edu ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1962 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:22:20 -0500 From: Robert A Bates To: send Subject: Solero software? Message-ID: <3A99859C.7E55DF@voyager.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone used Solero viewier at sunhawk.com.It is a digital sheet music site.It seems to offer transposition and conversion to MIDI ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1962 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:29:54 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Stand Light advice Message-ID: <001201c09f7a$7b062280$1b525d3f@garymaxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin Saunders wrote: > I am getting stand lights for our quartet, and wonder if I can poll the list > re: good ones and one's to avoid. Please be specific. ======================================================== I like the UNiSTAGE stand lamp. It is very similar to the Universal Clip lamp, but is adjustable as to height and nearness to the music. I do not, however, know if it is still available. It is/was made by UNiSTAGE Theatrical Equipment, 330 Genesee St, Buffalo N. Y. I am intrigued and interested in the one Craig has made, however. Put me down for a 4 LED, that is, if you get enough other takers, Craig. The use of "book" lights is also good, however, with the eyes I have I use more than 1, usually 2 to 3, but they are nice and light (take it how you will) and do last a long time. There are my .02 Gary Maxwell Bass Trombone Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1962 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:34:37 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Rotor Oils Message-ID: <001d01c09f7b$236ccaa0$1b525d3f@garymaxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anthony wrote: > >was wondering if any of those are particularly good, is there a 'must have' > >or is there one which will significantly improve the rotor action. The > >rotor is fine but I'm wondering if it can be better!? ======================================================= Graig suggested: > Two words: Bi Nak > If you put it on the valve now, it will still be there 6 weeks > from now. ======================================================== Out of curiosity, I ask: Has anyone tried Bi Nak on clock movements? Gary Maxwell ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1962 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:19:00 -0700 (MST) From: James Scott To: Weston Sprott Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Phil Smith Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Weston- The interview is at: http://www.cnn.com/2001/CAREER/trends/02/22/nyphil.trumpet/index.html Enjoy! Jim Scott On Sun, 25 Feb 2001, Weston Sprott wrote: > > Could someone please repost the website that had the article on Phil > Smith? I deleted it by accident. Thanks! > > Weston Sprott > Indiana University > 812-857-8589 > wsprott@indiana.edu > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1962 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:51:45 -0500 From: "Richardson, Tim" To: "'Craig Parmerlee'" , trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Stand Light advice Message-ID: <21E592FA8BA7D311B5B100062B001FE206F12B6B@LEE2> Craig, Out of curiosity, how are you driving them? Standard timer circuit for "duty cycle" battery savings? Or just a current limiting resistor? yours, Tim Richardson > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig Parmerlee [SMTP:craig@acticalc.com] > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 12:30 AM > To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu > Subject: Re: Stand Light advice > > At 10:34 PM 2/24/2001 -0600, Kevin Saunders wrote: > >I am getting stand lights for our quartet, and wonder if I can poll the > list > >re: good ones and one's to avoid. Please be specific. > > That is easy. There are no good ones sold commercially, period. The ones > > that take wall power may provide enough light, but they are a real > hassle. I've seen a whole row of stands go over when a person tripped > over > the cord, and I've seen colleagues burn themselves more than once. > > The battery powered ones are pathetic. Basically you can buy a cheap > underpowered fluorescent one for $40 or you can buy an expensive > underpowered one for $150. In either case, there isn't enough juice to > last a 3 hour rehearsal or gig -- not even close. A total waste of money, > > IMHO. > > Over the holidays, I developed an LED based light using flexible socket > tubing. It uses the latest Nichia high-powered white LEDs. These things > put out enough light to be quite adequate, and three AA cells give you > strong light for 30 hours! The only drawbacks are that the LEDs are about > > 7 times more expensive than standard LEDs. I mounted mine in a flexible > socket tube. This gives you a great deal of flexibility, but it also > makes > for tedious manufacturing. I made 12 of them over the holidays. I listed > > one of them on eBay and actually sold 6 from that listing (the winner > decided to buy them for everyone in his quintet, and the runner up made me > > an offer I couldn't refuse). I sold the others to local friends. > > I could be persuaded to make another batch if there is interest. They > would be $45 for a 3 LED setup and $53 for a 4 LED setup. 3 LEDs provide > adequate coverage. 4 is a bonus. I have a few supplies left, but I'd > probably need to order another batch of LEDs, so it would probably be late > > March before I could deliver. If folks are interested, please email me > privately. My original eBay listing is at > http://www.acticalc.com/ebay/standlt.htm That is an approximation of the > product. However, I have made some reinvestments. Now the gooseneck is > shorter and the socket section is longer. That increases the costs, but > makes a more functional product. > > Cheers, > Craig > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1962 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:05:20 -0500 From: "Richardson, Tim" To: "'MMBNo1@aol.com'" , trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Euphonium Studies (Was Bach and Blazevich) Message-ID: <21E592FA8BA7D311B5B100062B001FE206F12B6C@LEE2> Yes there is a trick. It is a simple one. That is, that clef reading is really not that hard. It is getting past the mental aspect that is hard - people think it is hard or even impossible, therefore it becomes so. If you want it to be comfortable, as opposed to easy, you do have to practice it a little. I think it is no more difficult to play tenor clef than 5 flats or 4 sharps, alto than 6 flats or 5 sharps, mezzo-soprano about the same. You wouldn't let a key signature throw you, don't let a clef bother you either. The clef points at middle C. Guess what, all the note are in order. Starting at the middle C line, the space above is D, the one below is B. When I look at a clef I haven't played in a while, I spot the C-E-G triad, the F and Bb's and their triads, and it all comes back. If time is short and the downbeat has started, at least nail where middle C and the major triad for that particular key are. Careful, this could lead into the mental strategy of sightreading. yours, Tim Richardson > -----Original Message----- > From: MMBNo1@aol.com [SMTP:MMBNo1@aol.com] > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 3:10 PM > To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu > Subject: Re: Euphonium Studies (Was Bach and Blazevich) > > In a message dated 2/24/2001 11:23:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, > kgreen@fwsd.wednet.edu writes: > > > > > . Every > Euphonium player should be able to play bass, treble and tenor clef > on > sight. (Tenor clef can be easily transposed to treble or vice versa > with > some key mods.) > > > > > I've always wondered, is there any special trick to playing in the various > > clefs, or is it just learned through practice? > > doug > > doug > __________ > One Life, One Chance. Gotta Do It Right > -H2O > No Matter How Hard You Try You Can't Stop Us Now > -Rage Against the Machine > I never found the companion that was so companiable as solitude > -Thoreau > You Can Crush Us; You Can Burn Us, But You'll have to Answer to the Guns > of > Brixton > -The Clash ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1962 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:37:10 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: "Richardson, Tim" , trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Stand Light advice Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010225203438.01f206e0@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:51 PM 2/25/2001 -0500, Richardson, Tim wrote: Craig, Out of curiosity, how are you driving them? Standard timer circuit for "duty cycle" battery savings? Or just a current limiting resistor? None of that is necessary. By using 3 AA cells in series, the voltage fits right in the recommended zone for these LEDs. I recommend NiMH batteries, which have the property of maintaining that voltage very nicely for the majority of their duty cycle. But in practice, regular old Alkalines work fine too. Regards, Craig ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1962 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:27:57 -0800 From: Larry White To: wsprott@indiana.edu Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Phil Smith Message-ID: <3A99BF2D.B77428E1@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This should take you to the article. Trom content... I am a trom player in a Salvation Army Band in Vancouver BC Can L White http://www.cnn.com/2001/CAREER/trends/02/22/nyphil.trumpet/index.html Weston Sprott wrote: > Could someone please repost the website that had the article on Phil > Smith? I deleted it by accident. Thanks! > > Weston Sprott > Indiana University > 812-857-8589 > wsprott@indiana.edu ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1962 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 05:35:48 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Stand Light advice Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed None of that is necessary. By using 3 AA cells in series, the voltage fits right in the recommended zone for these LEDs. Itās against the law, and you will pay the price! Yup, itās against the laws of solid-state physics to put a battery directly across an LED. LEDs require a very specific voltage. Exceed that voltage at too high a current any youāll literally heat the LED up to the point where it chars the plastic housing. Not recommended. So use a current limiting resistor, or better yet, put a bit of real electronics into the project and youāll have a very nice light source. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1962 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 01:14:45 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Stand Light advice Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010226010440.01e8ee00@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I agree with you in theory. In practice, it isn't uncommon to do it this way in flashlight-style applications. If you don't push too hard, it seems that there are no ill consequences. I have been using this in my cave helmet for some time without any difficulties. I have made these lights for a dozen other folks and nobody has seen the difficulty you describe. I put every light through a 36 hour stress test. At the end of that time, the LEDs are barely warm to the touch. More importantly, at the beginning of that cycle when the batteries are at their strongest there is nothing remotely like the heat you describe. I'm not sure I can feel any heat at all. I include a strain relief on the back side of the LEDs because of the flexing of the socket tube. This may act as a heat sink to some degree. I always offer to replace any unit that fails. So far my crime has gone unpunished. :) Maybe I'm just lucky. Craig At 05:35 AM 2/26/2001 +0000, Daniel Pliskin wrote: None of that is necessary. By using 3 AA cells in series, the voltage fits right in the recommended zone for these LEDs. It's against the law, and you will pay the price! Yup, it's against the laws of solid-state physics to put a battery directly across an LED. LEDs require a very specific voltage. Exceed that voltage at too high a current any you'll literally heat the LED up to the point where it chars the plastic housing. Not recommended. So use a current limiting resistor, or better yet, put a bit of real electronics into the project and you'll have a very nice light source. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1962 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 01:35:02 -0500 From: sabutin@mindspring.com To: Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Conical bells (was: <>) Message-ID: <200102260646.BAA13940@granger.mail.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:35 PM 2/22/01 -0600, you wrote: >Hehe, Tim, >You are cute! Actually it has more to do with the front end of the horn >focusing and projecting the energy to the bell section, leaving the bell to >vibrate freely and pass on all your hard efforts to the listener with a >nice, colorful free, easy on the ears....trombone sound. With that light >bell freed up to do it's thing you have much more flexibility in colors, >attacks, clean dark thick sounds, if you wish....and bright sparkly >fortissimo's when required. Sound like a new idea? We've been so compelled >to buy the lightest, fastest slides, the heaviest.. duh, dullest bells, the >thickest most massive tuning slides....have you ever wondered why these >things sound like a hog in heat? wonder why you can't articulate without >putting a huge bubble on the front of a note? Well, you are blowing bubble >gum bells, not trombones as they were intended! ============ Nicely put. Lightweight slides, to my ear, do not deal w/volume very well....they get nasty. Gary's description of the sonic function of heavier slides, lighter bells is right on the money, in my extensive experience. I can only add that if a bell is TOO light, it also tends not to like volume. I have found that plating a too-light bell...silver if you want snap and projection, gold if you want a certain evenness and warmth w/out giving up volume...will do wonders. ============== > >Throw out the mega mouthpieces, tone enhancers.....great anchors for fishing >for sea bass.....go for flexibility in feel, sound, articulation, and, >yes....colors. If you think this is all a myth...come visit my museum and >try all these horns that have been made over the past century! I haven't >collected them for ebay! >Regards, >Gary > ==================== I wish I COULD visit. Maybe next time I'm near Milwaukee... Later... S. >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu >[mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Richardson, Tim >Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 11:44 AM >To: Trombones and related issues forum. >Subject: RE: Conical bells (was: <>) > > >The theory is very simple. > >Heavy slide, light bell, horn tilts forward, more pressure on lower lip, >more tendency to blow downstream. > >Light slide, heavy bell, the exact opposite. >yours, >Tim richardson >PS not intended as humor. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Richard Corliss [SMTP:rcorliss@astound.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 11:39 AM >> To: Trombone-l mailing >> Subject: Re: Conical bells (was: <>) >> >> > >> > As for tuning in the slide slides...they have more weight than a tuning >> bell >> > horn with the extra hardware...and that philosophy that has endured for >> > generations. Heavy slide, light bell section theory. Still works! >> The >> > 62-H is not dead! >> > >> > Regards, >> > Gary >> > >> >> What is the theory here? I have started to use a heavier sterling silver >> 2B slide with a lighter brass 2B bell and like it very much. Today I tried >> a heavier 6h slide with a lighter Coprion bell, and liked it. >> >> Is there some kind of theory related to this? >> >> Richard Corliss >> > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1962 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:24:09 -0800 From: Andrew Michael To: Subject: Mutes for Bach alto Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, I'm looking for both a straight mute and a cup mute to use with my Bach alto trombone. Due to the small bell size, just using tenor mutes like a straight Jo-Ral is out of the question. This is because the end of the mute is as big as the bell and annoyingly close to the slide. I tried a symphonic trumpet straight mute which was surprisingly decent until I got into the low register. An old stone-lined straight mute was decent and is a possibility. But, I'd like to know what others are using. I also tried my Stone-lined cup mute, but the cup is absurdly far from the rim of the bell. Thanks, Andy Michael ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1962 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 02:32:54 EST From: Philbne@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Barber of Seville Message-ID: <13.11e9b5c7.27cb60a6@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had occasion to do the Barber last month. Unfortunately/fortunately the conductor decided he wanted to do the Ricordi edition but used Kalmus ("original Italian edition") parts and had me play only the overture. His decision though was not within the time line for cancellations of rehearsals so I was paid for all the reh(plus OT). I would've rather played the parts. The looks I got from the horns when I showed up to the dress reh and ducked out of the pit after 5 minutes of music...... Phil Keen L.A. freelance ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1962 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:48:03 +0100 From: "tbarhaug" To: Subject: copper leadpipes Message-ID: <000b01c09fe1$9dd7d6c0$6a394382@u9z2p5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C09FE9.F9B8AD40" Hi ! I was wondering if anyone of You has any experience with pure copper as a material for leadpipes. I will, together with a local brass technician try to make a leadpipe that fits my extra short shank Monette mouthpiece better. we have not yet decided for what material to use but we will try to play around with different kind of brass alloys. Copper is a denser ,heavier material so it should be great in theory, but I guess there is a reason that it is not widely used. tbarhaug@online.no ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1962--