TROMBONE-L Digest 1959 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Inner tubes? by "HICKS, JIM D" 2) Re: Steely Dan by Walter Barrett 3) Re: Steely Dan by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 4) Re: double pedals by sabutin@mindspring.com 5) News by "Steven Greenall" 6) Grammys by Thomas Cox 7) Grammy Orchestra by "Denver D. Seifried" 8) wick tone enhancers for sale by chardy@totcon.com 9) Re: Bach Strad Cases by Marti Kristine Rankin 10) Re: Grammy Orchestra by alex iles 11) RE: Conical bells (was: <>) by "Richardson, Tim" 12) Cleveland Superior by "Michel Wade" 13) RE: Conical bells (was: <>) by Gabriel Langfur 14) RE: Conical bells (was: <>) by "Gary Greenhoe" 15) Re: Inner tubes? by "Daniel Pliskin" 16) Another inquirey by TonyC789@aol.com 17) RE: Another inquirey by Steve Gamble 18) Re: double pedals by "Aaron Roth" 19) RE: Conical bells (was: <>) by "Daniel Pliskin" 20) Re: Another inquirey by "Chuck De Paolo" 21) Mini Disc Questions by "Bart Roberts" 22) Re: Another inquirey by silversonic@att.net 23) re: MINI DISC Recorders by TboneGib@aol.com 24) Re: Another inquirey by "Chuck De Paolo" 25) Re: Another inquirey by Randy Campora 26) Awfully quiet... by Earl Needham 27) Awfully quiet... by Earl Needham 28) Re: Steely Dan by "Adrian Drover" 29) Re: TMJ by "Billy Cordova" 30) Re: double pedals by "Adrian Drover" 31) Re: Steely Dan by "Tom Izzo" 32) For those concerned about JJ's trombone ... by Craig Parmerlee 33) Re: Another inquirey by "Dean McCarty" 34) Re: Inner tubes? by "ksdowdy" 35) Tetra Ergon by "Todd Hershberger" 36) Sonata by Alec Wilder by "Todd Hershberger" 37) Re: Tetra Ergon by Douglas Yeo 38) RE: Mini Disc Questions by "Daniel Cloutier" 39) Trombone teaching job opening by Douglas Yeo 40) facinating Mirafone bass trombone by "Joseph Sellmansberger" 41) Case for Shires horn by John 42) Re: facinating Mirafone bass trombone by "Joseph Sellmansberger" 43) Re: facinating Mirafone bass trombone by "Joseph Sellmansberger" 44) Re: Another inquirey by Andrew Michael 45) Re: Steely Dan by "Adrian Drover" 46) Re: Goodbye Pork Pie Hat/Gary Valente etc... by "Wirt Wolff" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 07:39:53 -0500 From: "HICKS, JIM D" To: "'Roger Carmichael'" , Anders.Carlsson@gfs.gu.se, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Inner tubes? Message-ID: <200102221300.HAA03626@po.missouri.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Anderson only replates. They don't stock any parts. They replate chrome bumpers, car parts, all sorts of gagets as well as inner tubes. Allied I'm not sure about. I also know Anderson is across the street from the Bach factory in Elkart, In. They may get some parts from them - they get alot of work from them for sure! Jim Hicks -----Original Message----- From: Roger Carmichael [mailto:pedalnote@peoplepc.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 8:38 PM To: Anders.Carlsson@gfs.gu.se; Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Inner tubes? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anders Carlsson" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 3:04 PM Subject: Inner tubes? >trombone, is it a good idea to try to have them replated? (Especially > if new tubes cant be found any more). Who does these replatings? Correct me if I am wrong, but I am of the opinion that companies like Allied or Anderson stock all size inner slide tubes. The downside is they are expensive. I also think Anderson does replating, too. Roger Carmichael ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 08:52:37 -0500 From: Walter Barrett To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Steely Dan Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 2/22/01 12:06 AM, William Dinwiddie at bill752@mediaone.net sent forth into the cosmos: > There are many others. I am probably completely biased at this point, > but I think their music is really great, and I'm very glad to see them > get the recognition from the Grammy voters that has been denied them for > so long. Enjoy. > > Bill Dinwiddie Well, I'm just glad that the NARAS voters decided to honor artists who put out an album that, while it didn't sell as many as Britney Spears or Eminem, actually has Chord progressions, chords with more than 3 notes, and actual melodies! Proving that eventually, folks will realize that there's more to artistic expression and musicianship than appealing to the right demographics. I love the album, btw, and have had it in my car's player since it came out last spring! -- Walter Barrett "When trombones are outlawed, only outlaws will have trombones!" Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:03:37 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: jalbert@bellsouth.net, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Steely Dan Message-ID: <79.109175bc.27c67639@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bAD mEMORY wINS aGAIN BELDON WADE ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:02:45 -0500 From: sabutin@mindspring.com To: The Tobins Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: double pedals Message-ID: <200102221414.JAA19925@granger.mail.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:49 PM 2/21/01 -0500, you wrote: >Thanks for the low note tips. > >here's the root of my double pedal note question. > >The pedal Bb has a wavelength that is about the same as the length of the >tubing with the slide in. Without using the trigger, the node of the >double Bb wave would be at the mouthpiece and the apex of the wave would be >at the end of the bell. And if you play a triple Bb, the apex of the wave >would be 9 feet in front of the bell (past the saxaphones) and the other >node would be 27 feet out of the horn (and would probably hit a wall >first). Seems to break some laws of physics.... ========================= My take...completely unsupported by any evidence other than my own observations and consideration... There is a reflected wave that goes through the horn 3 times...m'pce->someplace on the bell flare, bell flare->m'pce, m'pce ->the end of the bell, Being a little less than 3 times the length of the horn (because it is most efficiently reflected before the bell flares completely) it is pitched correspondingly higher than the horn's Bb. In smaller belled horns, it is usually somewhere near B...in larger belled horns, it is nearer to C. If we consider it to be in B for illustration's sake, you will see that there is a an entirely different harmonic series in all positions...weak, often overshadowed by the main one in Bb, but demonstrably there...in 1st position based on a pedal 1 octave and a major seventh below the "normal" pedal tones of the instrument. For example, on straight horns it is very common to play the "fake" notes between 2cd partial E and 1st partial Bb in positions one position lower than their equivalents an octave higher...Eb in 4th, D in 5th, etc. Extended up the slide, this gives us an F# in 1st position. If you play a pedal Bb and then try to lip it up and down as far as it will go before it breaks or locks into another notes, you will find that it will only go up to B, and that a strong F# below it exists as well. (Keep lipping down from that F# below pedal Bb and you will encounter a B below that, and then, if you're really patient and work at it, a note that is almost a rhythm...sounds like a helicopter...that is clearly identifiable by ear as a B a little less than two octaves below the normal pedal Bb. Second harmonic Bb also can only be lipped up to a B and down to an F#; 3rd harmonic F goes up to an F#, down only to a D#, and 4th harmonic Bb goes up to a B and down to an A...all notes in the B harmonic series. Above 4th partial Bb the natural partials of the horn are too close for this to work...you break into the next harmonic rather than lip down far enough to get an identifiable pitch tendency. This offers evidence for a workable explanation of many "alternate notes available in the same position as normal notes...an alternate, consistent harmonic series in B (or C). ===================== >That said, I can see a pedal F and E on my tuner when I'm in 1st position. >And, if I use my tongue and lower lip, I can slur down below that. I >wouldn't really call them notes. Can _real_ bass bone players play down >there with any clarity? =============== Not really...pedal C seems to be about the lowest usable note even the best bass players can play. The rest is just lip therapy. Later... S. ========== > >Thanks >Greg > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:08:34 -0000 From: "Steven Greenall" To: "Trombone List" Subject: News Message-ID: <025201c09ce1$53b7c120$ef11fea9@steve> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_024F_01C09CE1.53856680" Dear All A list of the ITA Scholarship & Competition Winners is now available at www.ita-web.org Also, news on the Grammy winning CD featuring Joe Alessi. Enjoy! Steve ITA Webmaster steven@ita-web.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:13:57 -0500 From: Thomas Cox To: "'bill752@mediaone.net'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Grammys Message-ID: <0632CC5F67853B4D96D542BAE8AD00825E14B3@merc08.us.sas.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Every so often the voters turn a normal category into a career acheivement award. My favorite was in '88 when long-overlooked Jethro Tull won "Best Hard Rock/Metal Performance" for "Crest of a Knave." Metallica still hasn't gotten over that one. (snicker) - Thomas Cox ...and to head off the usual "Whozzat?" thread: yes, they are even older than Steely Dan; yes, they are still together (at least Ian Anderson and Martin Barre, the rest come and go;) and they have a web site at www.jtull.com Mandatory trombone content. Tull has, at times, included trombones in their music. -----Original Message----- From: William Dinwiddie [mailto:bill752@mediaone.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 8:59 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: (no subject) Well, Steely Dan finally won the Grammy Award for Best Album (Two Against Nature). Do you suppose this happened because: 1) that wonderful trombonist Jim Pugh was in the horn section? Or, 2) the people who vote for this award finally woke up after 30 years and realized that this band is still the best darn pop/jazz/rock/music/whatever group in recent music history? Maybe its because of 1) AND 2). But for whatever reason, it's about time! Bill Dinwiddie ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:46:59 -0500 From: "Denver D. Seifried" To: "trombone-l" Subject: Grammy Orchestra Message-ID: <001301c09ce6$cfb79520$9b685acf@jay> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any of our LA list members know who was in the trombone section of the Grammy Orchestra? I even heard a little jazz trombone; however, there was talk going on concerning some awards, and the solo couldn't be heard very well. Denny Seifried Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Symphony & Dayton Jazz Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:19:52 -0500 From: chardy@totcon.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: wick tone enhancers for sale Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20010222151952.006e57a0@totcon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Wick L and Wick LB tone enhancers perfect condition $8 each or both for $11 postpaid ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:49:55 -0600 (CST) From: Marti Kristine Rankin To: Candice & Eric Swanson Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Bach Strad Cases Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I simply requested that they sell me my horn with one of the standard latch cases that they used to have and the retailer swapped out the case for me! My students that have the zipper cases have all broken their zippers off. I have suggested to them that they ask for the old case when they buy if possible. marti "I drank what?" - Socrates On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Candice & Eric Swanson wrote: > > > "Johnson, Scott (TBS)" wrote: > > > I have a fairly new stock Bach Strad case that came with my 42BO. I've been > > living with it for the past 6 months or so and have gotten so that I really > > miss the older style cases that had latches instead of the current > > zipper/Velcro case-cover look. The latches were a lot easier and quicker to > > open and seem, to me anyway, to be more substantial than the current design. > > I've seen some student's with the zipper pulls missing from their cases due > > to youthful enthusiasms, etc. The rest of the case I like very much. > > > > So, does anyone know of any easy modifications that can be done to de-zipper > > and de-Velcro this case and still have something that looks good, or do I > > really have the best possible case design already and should just be > > thankful? > > > > Scott, > > It's only a matter of time before the zipper breaks, as all zippers do > eventually. When that happens, your local repair shop should be able to > install some latches on there someplace. Any good instrument repairman who has > been in the business for a while is also a case repairman. > > Eric Swanson > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:23:05 -0800 From: alex iles To: ddsbstrb@voyager.net Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Grammy Orchestra Message-ID: <3A954ACC.EE962795@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Denver D. Seifried" wrote: > Any of our LA list members know who was in the trombone section of the > Grammy Orchestra? > I even heard a little jazz trombone; however, there was talk going on > concerning some awards, and the solo couldn't be heard very well. > > Denny Seifried > Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Symphony & Dayton Jazz Orchestra Andy Martin, George Bohannon on tenor and Maurice Spears on bass bone. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 12:43:35 -0500 From: "Richardson, Tim" To: "'Richard Corliss'" , Trombone-l mailing Subject: RE: Conical bells (was: <>) Message-ID: <21E592FA8BA7D311B5B100062B001FE206F12B5C@LEE2> The theory is very simple. Heavy slide, light bell, horn tilts forward, more pressure on lower lip, more tendency to blow downstream. Light slide, heavy bell, the exact opposite. yours, Tim richardson PS not intended as humor. > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Corliss [SMTP:rcorliss@astound.net] > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 11:39 AM > To: Trombone-l mailing > Subject: Re: Conical bells (was: <>) > > > > > As for tuning in the slide slides...they have more weight than a tuning > bell > > horn with the extra hardware...and that philosophy that has endured for > > generations. Heavy slide, light bell section theory. Still works! > The > > 62-H is not dead! > > > > Regards, > > Gary > > > > What is the theory here? I have started to use a heavier sterling silver > 2B slide with a lighter brass 2B bell and like it very much. Today I tried > a heavier 6h slide with a lighter Coprion bell, and liked it. > > Is there some kind of theory related to this? > > Richard Corliss > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:21:21 -0800 From: "Michel Wade" To: Subject: Cleveland Superior Message-ID: <004801c09cfc$424b59e0$87c34518@pano1.bc.wave.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01C09CB9.33EE1E20" Hello, this is my first post to the list, so bear with me. I am wondering about the reputation of the King Cleveland Superior trombone. It has a serial no. in the 120,000 range, which, checking with the umi website, means that it was made in the late 20's. A friend of mine is interested in purchasing it, but I have no clue as to what this horn would be worth. The slide needs some work, but the bell is in great shape. Any help would be appreciated Michel Wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:26:21 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Conical bells (was: <>) Message-ID: <20010222182621.47446.qmail@web10307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii But, but...wiith a heavy bell the horn STILL tilts forward. --- "Richardson, Tim" wrote: > The theory is very simple. > > Heavy slide, light bell, horn tilts forward, more pressure on lower > lip, > more tendency to blow downstream. > > Light slide, heavy bell, the exact opposite. > yours, > Tim richardson > PS not intended as humor. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 12:35:06 -0600 From: "Gary Greenhoe" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Conical bells (was: <>) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hehe, Tim, You are cute! Actually it has more to do with the front end of the horn focusing and projecting the energy to the bell section, leaving the bell to vibrate freely and pass on all your hard efforts to the listener with a nice, colorful free, easy on the ears....trombone sound. With that light bell freed up to do it's thing you have much more flexibility in colors, attacks, clean dark thick sounds, if you wish....and bright sparkly fortissimo's when required. Sound like a new idea? We've been so compelled to buy the lightest, fastest slides, the heaviest.. duh, dullest bells, the thickest most massive tuning slides....have you ever wondered why these things sound like a hog in heat? wonder why you can't articulate without putting a huge bubble on the front of a note? Well, you are blowing bubble gum bells, not trombones as they were intended! Throw out the mega mouthpieces, tone enhancers.....great anchors for fishing for sea bass.....go for flexibility in feel, sound, articulation, and, yes....colors. If you think this is all a myth...come visit my museum and try all these horns that have been made over the past century! I haven't collected them for ebay! Regards, Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Richardson, Tim Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 11:44 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: RE: Conical bells (was: <>) The theory is very simple. Heavy slide, light bell, horn tilts forward, more pressure on lower lip, more tendency to blow downstream. Light slide, heavy bell, the exact opposite. yours, Tim richardson PS not intended as humor. > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Corliss [SMTP:rcorliss@astound.net] > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 11:39 AM > To: Trombone-l mailing > Subject: Re: Conical bells (was: <>) > > > > > As for tuning in the slide slides...they have more weight than a tuning > bell > > horn with the extra hardware...and that philosophy that has endured for > > generations. Heavy slide, light bell section theory. Still works! > The > > 62-H is not dead! > > > > Regards, > > Gary > > > > What is the theory here? I have started to use a heavier sterling silver > 2B slide with a lighter brass 2B bell and like it very much. Today I tried > a heavier 6h slide with a lighter Coprion bell, and liked it. > > Is there some kind of theory related to this? > > Richard Corliss > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:39:57 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Inner tubes? Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Gee, that must be a really expensive bicycle?chrome plated inner-tubes? Oooooooooh, this is Trombone-L. From what I?ve seen, the only wear of inner slide tubes that actually makes a difference is from mis-aligned slide tubes. I often see inner slides with stockings that are not parallel to the rest of the tube. Getting the whole slide aligned usually fixes the problem. But I also own several older horns that don?t seem to have chrome plating on the inner slides. Instead they have either nickel or silver plating. For those older trombones, I recommend either S-o-M or trying Rick Theis?s concoction. But bear in mind that neither is a replacement for a properly aligned slide. They may make a bad slide feel good for a little while but that will quickly fade. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:13:32 EST From: TonyC789@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu, TubaEuph@onelist.com Subject: Another inquirey Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have an adult euphonium student who has been working out of the Rochut book (vol. 1) for legato studies. He's not really enjoying them, but, dutifully, does anything I ask of him. Is there anothe collection that will do essentially the same thing as the Rochuts? I've looked around and can't really find anything. Any Suggestions? Tony Clements ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:35:32 -0700 From: Steve Gamble To: "'TonyC789@aol.com'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Another inquirey Message-ID: <01C09CD4.54B4AAA0.orchpers@azstarnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tony, Some of my students who find the traditonal stuff a little...say...boring have liked the book by Gilles Senon: Vingt-quatre petites etudes melodiques pour trombone. It's published by Billaudot so it's a little expensive. If you don't want to go to popular songs or opera arias for legato stuff, I think this book is a very musically interesting alternative to the old standards. The notes are playable by intermediate players, yet musically the etudes are quite sophisticated and would be a challenge to anyone. Steve Gamble -----Original Message----- From: TonyC789@aol.com [SMTP:TonyC789@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 1:14 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Another inquirey I have an adult euphonium student who has been working out of the Rochut book (vol. 1) for legato studies. He's not really enjoying them, but, dutifully, does anything I ask of him. Is there anothe collection that will do essentially the same thing as the Rochuts? I've looked around and can't really find anything. Any Suggestions? Tony Clements ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:55:52 -0500 From: "Aaron Roth" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: double pedals Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sabutin quoted as: .....This offers evidence for a workable explanation of many "alternate notes available in the same position as normal notes...an alternate, consistent harmonic series in B (or C). ===================== >That said, I can see a pedal F and E on my tuner when I'm in 1st position. >And, if I use my tongue and lower lip, I can slur down below that. I >wouldn't really call them notes. Can _real_ bass bone players play down >there with any clarity? =============== Not really...pedal C seems to be about the lowest usable note even the best bass players can play. The rest is just lip therapy. Later... S. I'll quibble: it depends on useage at this point. I'll certainly agree that 16th-note runs starting on double-pedal C# and descending are not going to shine with clarity, but the Zwilich Bass Trombone Concerto employs a DP Bb in the slow movement to good effect as a long note. And of course, Ryoanji by John Cage works with all kinds of low vibrations. FWIW, though, I personally have never gotten below a DP Gb. My lips just won't vibrate that slowly yet. Must...practice...! -Aaron Roth _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 21:26:59 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Conical bells (was: <>) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Thanks Gary, ....have you ever wondered why these things sound like a hog in heat? As your basic city boy, I never have heard hogs in heat, but I?ve heard lots of bad sounding trombones. Now I know what hogs in heat sound like. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:42:49 -0500 From: "Chuck De Paolo" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Re: Another inquirey Message-ID: <012f01c09d18$66c36030$0200a8c0@ws2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I have an adult euphonium student who has been working out of the Rochut book > (vol. 1) for legato studies. He's not really enjoying them, but, dutifully, > does anything I ask of him. Is there another collection that will do > essentially the same thing as the Rochuts? I've looked around and can't > really find anything. Any Suggestions? Two popular alternatives to the Rochuts are Reginald Fink's "Studies in Legato" and the Concone "40 Legato Studies." These may not be far enough away stylistically from Rochut to please your student, however. What's nice is that both are a little easier for someone with high range issues to approach. There have been customers who state that they "hate" the Rochuts and "love" the Finks. Go figure. Anyway, Reg's book is based on vocalises by Panofka, Marchesi and others. He also annotates each exercise which is a feature I like. The Concone is also a set of vocalises, but has more variety in terms of style. (please quote this message if you reply) In Music, ---Chuck General Manager & Webmaster Hickey's Music Center 104 Adams Street Ithaca, NY 14850 607.272.8262 (Phone) 607.272.2203 (Fax) chuck@hickeys.com (E-Mail) http://www.hickeys.com (Website) http://www.weather.com/weather/us/zips/14850.html (Weather) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:47:19 -0500 From: "Bart Roberts" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Mini Disc Questions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To those on the list who have Mini Disc recorders. I am curious on how you would transfer those files from the recorder to your computer(ie to copy onto a cd etc.). I own a Sony MZ - R70 Mini Disc Recorder. Any help you could give me would be great. Thanks Bart Roberts Ball State University ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 21:53:13 +0000 From: silversonic@att.net To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu (Trombone List) Subject: Re: Another inquirey Message-ID: <20010222215313.ENEO25433.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Hello, Another alternative that stresses legato, but are quite different from the Rochut Studies is a book by Phil Snedecor. The exact title is escaping me right now (my copy was lifted by a student a couple of years ago!), but I believe it could be as simple as "Melodious Etudes". Very well written exercises, and a decent challenge at the same time. I'm CERTAIN that someone has this book and will fill inthe blanks on the title for me. Good luck! Peace, Tom Sousa Rochester, NY > > I have an adult euphonium student who has been working out of the Rochut > book > > (vol. 1) for legato studies. He's not really enjoying them, but, > dutifully, > > does anything I ask of him. Is there another collection that will do > > essentially the same thing as the Rochuts? I've looked around and can't > > really find anything. Any Suggestions? > > Two popular alternatives to the Rochuts are Reginald Fink's "Studies in > Legato" and the Concone "40 Legato Studies." These may not be far enough > away stylistically from Rochut to please your student, however. What's nice > is that both are a little easier for someone with high range issues to > approach. There have been customers who state that they "hate" the Rochuts > and "love" the Finks. Go figure. Anyway, Reg's book is based on vocalises > by Panofka, Marchesi and others. He also annotates each exercise which is a > feature I like. The Concone is also a set of vocalises, but has more > variety in terms of style. > > (please quote this message if you reply) > > In Music, > ---Chuck > General Manager & Webmaster > > Hickey's Music Center > 104 Adams Street > Ithaca, NY 14850 > > 607.272.8262 (Phone) > 607.272.2203 (Fax) > chuck@hickeys.com (E-Mail) > http://www.hickeys.com (Website) > http://www.weather.com/weather/us/zips/14850.html (Weather) > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:12:40 EST From: TboneGib@aol.com To: TROMBONE-L@lists.missouri.edu Subject: re: MINI DISC Recorders Message-ID: <47.7c201fb.27c6e8d8@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, Bart Check out the MIDI page on my website trombonelessons.com I tell how to hook everything up...hope it helps! Tom Gibson Brass Dept. Coordinator Georgia State University School of Music (w): 404-651-1740 trombonelessons.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:44:44 -0500 From: "Chuck De Paolo" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Another inquirey Message-ID: <01f301c09d21$0ce13020$0200a8c0@ws2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That would be his "Lyrical Etudes." He also does a book called "Low Etudes" that is a bit more famous. --Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 4:53 PM Subject: Re: Another inquirey > Hello, > > Another alternative that stresses legato, but are quite > different from the Rochut Studies is a book by Phil > Snedecor. The exact title is escaping me right now (my > copy was lifted by a student a couple of years ago!), > but I believe it could be as simple as "Melodious > Etudes". Very well written exercises, and a decent > challenge at the same time. > > I'm CERTAIN that someone has this book and will fill > inthe blanks on the title for me. > > Good luck! > > Peace, > > Tom Sousa > Rochester, NY > > > I have an adult euphonium student who has been working out of the Rochut > > book > > > (vol. 1) for legato studies. He's not really enjoying them, but, > > dutifully, > > > does anything I ask of him. Is there another collection that will do > > > essentially the same thing as the Rochuts? I've looked around and can't > > > really find anything. Any Suggestions? > > > > Two popular alternatives to the Rochuts are Reginald Fink's "Studies in > > Legato" and the Concone "40 Legato Studies." These may not be far enough > > away stylistically from Rochut to please your student, however. What's nice > > is that both are a little easier for someone with high range issues to > > approach. There have been customers who state that they "hate" the Rochuts > > and "love" the Finks. Go figure. Anyway, Reg's book is based on vocalises > > by Panofka, Marchesi and others. He also annotates each exercise which is a > > feature I like. The Concone is also a set of vocalises, but has more > > variety in terms of style. > > > > (please quote this message if you reply) > > > > In Music, > > ---Chuck > > General Manager & Webmaster > > > > Hickey's Music Center > > 104 Adams Street > > Ithaca, NY 14850 > > > > 607.272.8262 (Phone) > > 607.272.2203 (Fax) > > chuck@hickeys.com (E-Mail) > > http://www.hickeys.com (Website) > > http://www.weather.com/weather/us/zips/14850.html (Weather) > > > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:55:20 -0500 From: Randy Campora To: "Chuck De Paolo" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Another inquirey Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010222175436.009a6ed0@mail.telephonet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Phil Snedecor's address is PSTPT@aol.com, I am sure he would not mind me posting that so those interested in his etudes for tenor trombone or tuba or trumpet can contact him. -Randy Campora ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Randy Campora, Bass Trombonist Baltimore Symphony Orchestra Peabody Conservatory of Music campora@peabody.jhu.edu 410-461-1984 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:56:43 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Awfully quiet... Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010222155603.00a686a0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The list has been awfully the past day or three, what gives??? Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446m W103d 12.700m (or so) Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, you breathe...) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:35:35 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Cc: yeo@yeodoug.com, Adrian Drover , tsks@cjnetworks.com, diehl24@home.com, sabutin@mindspring.com Subject: Awfully quiet... Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010222163249.00a68ba0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Second try, but including more people... The list has been awfully quiet all day long, what gives??? Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446m W103d 12.700m (or so) Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, you breathe...) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:23:07 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Steely Dan Message-ID: <00b401c09d28$195dbc40$840cfd3e@q9y6f8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Izzo" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 3:47 AM Subject: Re: (no subject) Who is "Steely Dan"? Don't ask me. I stopped listening to pop music after Glenn Miller disappeared.. A. Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk www.adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:36:12 -0600 From: "Billy Cordova" To: Cc: "Trombone-L" Subject: Re: TMJ Message-ID: <008601c09d28$405c0900$d6284c42@tyler.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sarah, I also suffer from TMJ, but obviously nowhere as bad as you. My TMJ doctor and I discussed all the alternatives for TMJ treatment on my initial visit, and he told me the reason that surgery is the last resort is that the failure rate of the surgery is around 80%! He said that most surgery patients have to have the surgery repeated 3 or 4 times before the surgeons "gets it right", and that even then, they suggest using an appliance for an extended period of time (perhaps the rest of your life!) to insure that the jaw and the jaw muscles heal correctly. If playing the trombone is currently aggravating the problem, then you should lay off playing to allow everything to heal back again. This problem will not just go away (of course, you probably realize that by now.) and will only get worse if you continue to play. Given the choice of being able to eat, talk, etc. or playing the trombone for a year or two and then gruel for the rest of my life, I would have to choose to give up the trombone. At least until they develop a better treatment, or the jaw surgeries are finally successful. I will keep you in my prayers. Billy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Lorimor" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 3:46 PM Subject: TMJ > Dear list, > > My name is Sarah Lorimor, I'm a sophmore in high > school, I haven't contributed much to the list, but I > need some feedback now. > > I have TMJ, very severe, to the point I am unable to > eat solid food or play for months at a time. I've > gone through several mouth spacers, months of physical > therapy, and specialized chiropractic treatment, and > ultimately, surgery not quite two months ago. None of > these were very helpful. > > Basically, I'm being told I need to quit, because the > pressure on the ligaments is too much. I'm being told > I need to quit by physical therapists, surgeons, and > by trombonists who have seen someone else go through > this. Playing can be quite painful, especially in the > high register. > > I refuse to quit, so this is where I'm asking for > help. Does anyone know of any tricks to get around > this? There isn't anything else, medically, that can > be done, but if there's a different way to play, or > someone has any information, or this affects anybody > else... I'm open to any suggestions right now. > > Thanks for your time! > > Sarah Lorimor > > ===== > It's gonna take a lot of fireworks to clean up this place. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:54:09 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: "Sam Burtis" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: double pedals Message-ID: <010901c09d2a$fb8bbc00$840cfd3e@q9y6f8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 2:02 PM Subject: Re: double pedals > and then, if you're really patient and work at it, a note that is > almost a rhythm...sounds like a helicopter...that is clearly identifiable > by ear as a B a little less than two octaves below the normal pedal Bb. Two octaves below pedal Bb? Geez! I can't even hear that low. The only way I know it's sounding is when my flesh starts to melt, my eyeballs pop out and my head explodes. It makes one heck of a mess to clean up after. A. Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk www.adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:07:27 -0600 From: "Tom Izzo" To: "Adrian Drover" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Steely Dan Message-ID: <009f01c09d3d$aa4b4780$54b54a3f@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wrote: > > > Who is "Steely Dan"? > Adrian responded: > Don't ask me. I stopped listening to pop music after Glenn Miller > disappeared.. > He disappeared? Nawwwwwww. I saw him last week in Detroit. He was having lunch with Elvis. :-) Tom > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:40:41 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: For those concerned about JJ's trombone ... Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010222203801.01ee35b0@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Go to www.ebay.com. Type "earnhardt" into the search field and press "find it". You will see something like 106289 items found for earnhardt. Looks like JJ's memory got off easy. Craig ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:47:30 -0600 From: "Dean McCarty" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Another inquirey Message-ID: <00e001c09d42$f85694c0$19c12bcf@compaqcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit He might like the Fink Legato Studies... I personally like some of the studies derived from Concone, there are several out there. Dean McCarty freelance trombonist, Houston area ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 2:13 PM Subject: Another inquirey > I have an adult euphonium student who has been working out of the Rochut book > (vol. 1) for legato studies. He's not really enjoying them, but, dutifully, > does anything I ask of him. Is there anothe collection that will do > essentially the same thing as the Rochuts? I've looked around and can't > really find anything. Any Suggestions? > > Tony Clements ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 21:02:40 -0600 From: "ksdowdy" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Inner tubes? Message-ID: <007d01c09d45$182ed300$be1a0f3f@m2y9x8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had the same experience. Two of my bones had brass showing on the stockings. The Slide Dr. worked on them and they now work perfect. If it feels good, it is good! KSD ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Michael To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 8:37 PM Subject: Re: Inner tubes? > At 12:04 PM -0800 2/21/01, Anders Carlsson wrote: > > >Has anyone experience with replating the inner slide tubes? A lot of > >people (including myself) seem to like older american horns which seem > >to be of a special quality in craftsmanship. A lot of these older horns > >have plating loss on the inner tubes but if you really like the > >trombone, is it a good idea to try to have them replated? (Especially > >if new tubes cant be found any more). Who does these replatings? > > Be cautious about replating a slide, it might not need it. I have > a Conn that has slight plating loss at the end of the tubes. > However, it appears stable. John "The Slide Dr." Upchurch advised > me that this is normal wear due to the way the tubes were drawn, that > it shouldn't get worse and advised against doing anything about it. > The slide in question is also quite smooth and fast despite the > cosmetic wear. > > So, just be sure you need it before you do it. > > Andy ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:29:27 -0500 From: "Todd Hershberger" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Tetra Ergon Message-ID: <1df96ff4c35ec41.c35ec411df96ff4@goshen.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am playing this piece and I have a question about the third movement. At the end of the piece there are words written underneath the notes, but there is no indication on what to do with them. It could easily be sung or played. If anyone has any knowledge about this and would share it with me I would greatly appreciate it. The words are "Es ist genug so nimm, Herr, mein en Geist." Thanks, Todd ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:34:13 -0500 From: "Todd Hershberger" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Sonata by Alec Wilder Message-ID: <1c5619ed70d62e7c.70d62e7c1c5619ed@goshen.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The fifth movement of this piece is marked "Swinging", but then later it is marked "Swinging style". The whole thing could easily be swung or only just part of it. Do I swing the whole thing, which could work or only parts of it? Thanks for any information, Todd ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:50:56 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Tetra Ergon Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 10:29 PM -0500 2/22/01, Todd Hershberger wrote: I am playing this piece and I have a question about the third movement. At the end of the piece there are words written underneath the notes, but there is no indication on what to do with them. It could easily be sung or played. If anyone has any knowledge about this and would share it with me I would greatly appreciate it. The words are "Es ist genug so nimm, Herr, mein en Geist." See my note about Tetra Ergon (which is recorded on my CD "Take 1") which includes comments by the composer, Donald White (and a specific reference to the third movement text) at: http://www.yeodoug.com/take1notes.html -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:41:10 -0800 From: "Daniel Cloutier" To: bmroberts@iquest.net Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Mini Disc Questions Message-ID: <200102230441.UAA29392@mail15.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 >"Bart Roberts" wrote: >I am curious on how you would transfer those files from the recorder >to your computer(ie to copy onto a cd etc.) Bart, It depends on how you want to do it. If you don't mind losing the digital singnal, you can run a stereo cable from your MD player's out to your computer's sound card in. Then use some sort of recording software to record the stuff from your MD playing to the computer recording. If you want to preserve the digital signal, then you need to run either an optical (TOSLINK) or other digital (usually RCA jack) cable from your MD player's digital output (assuming it has one) to the digital input of your soundcard. If your card doesn't have a resident digital input, you may be able to install a digital I/O daughtercard and connect it to your sound card via your sound card's SPDIF jack on the inside. In either case, remember that MD players do compress the sound. That may not be a big deal with, say, trumpet, but IMHO it does affect the quality of the trombone sound to a considerable extent. Hope that helps. ------------------------------------------------------------ --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 00:50:12 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Trombone teaching job opening Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I was off the list for a week+ while on vacation, so do not know if this listing (which I received privately and was asked to pass on to those who might be interested) was posted to the list; if so, please forgive the duplication. -Doug Yeo ============== Position Announcement The University of Memphis invites applications for the following nine-month, tenure track position in the Rudi E. Scheidt School of Music beginning August 20, 2001: Position: Applied Trombone Rank: Assistant or Associate Professor Salary Competitive and negotiable Qualifications: Doctorate or combination of education and equivalent professional experience; will consider ABD. Responsibilities: Teach applied trombone, recruit and maintain a studio of national caliber; Performance responsibilities include appointment to the Memphis Brass Quintet; teach other courses as appropriate to the candidate's expertise. Department: The School of Music is fully accredited by the National Association of Schools of Music and has a full-time faculty of 45 with approximately 500 music majors. Degree programs include: Bachelor of Music in performance, sacred music, music history, composition, music education, music business, recording technology, jazz and studio music performance and jazz and studio music composition/arranging; Master of Music in performance, sacred music, music history, Orff-Schulwerk, music education, pedagogy and jazz and studio music; Doctor of Musical Arts in composition, performance, sacred music and music education; Doctor of Philosophy in musicology. The School of Music is housed in the College of Communication and Fine Arts. University: The University of Memphis is a comprehensive urban university located in Memphis, Tennessee, one of the most musically active communities in the Mid-South. Current enrollment is approximately 20,000 students. Application: Review of applications will begin March 1, 2001 and continue until a successful candidate is named. Applicants should submit a letter of application, resumŽ and the names of five references with appropriate contact information to: Dr. Charles Schulz, Chair Trombone Search Committee Scheidt School of Music The University of Memphis Memphis, TN 38152 ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 00:46:25 -0600 From: "Joseph Sellmansberger" To: "trombone list" Subject: facinating Mirafone bass trombone Message-ID: <007101c09d64$5a99e760$4e945d0c@vogmudet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, we just placed this instrument http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1412202958 on ebay. Whether or not you are in the bass trombone market, I think you will find this instrument facinating. As usual, I have overloaded (sorry) this auction with descriptive text, but the "pluses" are my "dern-good" and "plenty-o' " (17) pics. This instrument is facinating, because it ACTUALLY WAS made in Germany, but it is just about a "dead ringer" for an Elkhart Conn single rotor bass trombone. Interestingly, it features 72H-style mechanics but instead of the 71H-72H-73H bell, Mirafone decided to copy the legendary FAT (!!!)-throated symphonic Conn "Fux" gold brass bell (70H or later 6XH - the "tuning-in-the-playing-slide" ones). If you'll let me hype it for a sec: The condition is quite nice, as is the slide action, and the mechanics of the rotor and tuning slides. The case is also quite decent (although showing age) as well. I'll stop here, because I included the equivalent of "The Book of Mormon" in the description. Click above, have fun, and thanks for looking! -Joe Mid-South Music ("excellence in winds" since 1979) Memphis, Tennessee ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:27:07 -0800 From: John To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Case for Shires horn Message-ID: <3A9610B8.AD742E15@teleport.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, I'm not making a case for buying a Steve Shires Trombone. I bought one and I'm looking for advice on good candidates for durable, protective cases. I got a .525 slide with an 8" bell, no triggers or valves or anything that require a logical thought process. I discovered at the last moment that the horn ships without a case. Just bubble wrap and a prayer. I realize that the subject of cases and flight and gig bags has been beaten up pretty well but how 'bout one more time? Walt Johnson looks good. Then there's SKB, Pro Tec, WolfPac, Bam, Reunion Blues and so on. What has worked for you and why? Thanks for your help, John Boblett ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:44:23 -0600 From: "Joseph Sellmansberger" To: "trombone list" Subject: Re: facinating Mirafone bass trombone Message-ID: <008c01c09d6c$74fc6260$4e945d0c@vogmudet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Tom! -Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Izzo" To: "Joseph Sellmansberger" Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 2:09 AM Subject: Re: facinating Mirafone bass trombone > Joe, point of clarication: > > It's FUCHS, not FUX. > Named for the Fuchs gentleman (sorry I can't remember his name) who played > Conn F horns (before they became Conn 8D's). > > FYI > > Tom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joseph Sellmansberger > To: Trombones and related issues forum. > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 12:46 AM > Subject: facinating Mirafone bass trombone > > > > Well, we just placed this instrument > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1412202958 > > > > on ebay. > > > > Whether or not you are in the bass trombone market, I think you will find > > this instrument facinating. As usual, I have overloaded (sorry) this > > auction with descriptive text, but the "pluses" are my "dern-good" and > > "plenty-o' " (17) pics. > > > > This instrument is facinating, because it ACTUALLY WAS made in Germany, > but > > it is just about a "dead ringer" for an Elkhart Conn single rotor bass > > trombone. Interestingly, it features 72H-style mechanics but instead of > the > > 71H-72H-73H bell, Mirafone decided to copy the legendary FAT > (!!!)-throated > > symphonic Conn "Fux" gold brass bell (70H or later 6XH - the > > "tuning-in-the-playing-slide" ones). > > > > If you'll let me hype it for a sec: The condition is quite nice, as is > the > > slide action, and the mechanics of the rotor and tuning slides. The case > is > > also quite decent (although showing age) as well. I'll stop here, because > I > > included the equivalent of "The Book of Mormon" in the description. > > > > Click above, have fun, and > > > > thanks for looking! > > > > -Joe > > Mid-South Music ("excellence in winds" since 1979) > > Memphis, Tennessee > > > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 02:56:20 -0600 From: "Joseph Sellmansberger" To: "trombone list" Subject: Re: facinating Mirafone bass trombone Message-ID: <00b001c09d76$8256c400$4e945d0c@vogmudet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That occurred to me as I was describing the 1/8" circular spot in the description. One or two pics of that minor wear will be up tomorrow evening. Thanks, -Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 2:23 AM Subject: Re: facinating Mirafone bass trombone > With all those thumbnails to choose from why didn't you include one or two of > the inner slide tube wear that you described? Thats the first question I ask > of the seller when bidding on a horn: If they can send a jpg of the slide > wear (if there is any). Pictures describe better than words. And a point of > size reference (like a dime or ruler)next to the wear spots on the slide is > even better. > PKeen > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 00:42:01 -0800 From: Andrew Michael To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Another inquirey Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 1:42 PM -0800 2/22/01, Chuck De Paolo wrote: >Two popular alternatives to the Rochuts are Reginald Fink's "Studies in >Legato" and the Concone "40 Legato Studies." These may not be far enough >away stylistically from Rochut to please your student, however. What's nice >is that both are a little easier for someone with high range issues to >approach. There have been customers who state that they "hate" the Rochuts >and "love" the Finks. Go figure. Anyway, Reg's book is based on vocalises >by Panofka, Marchesi and others. He also annotates each exercise which is a >feature I like. The Concone is also a set of vocalises, but has more >variety in terms of style. Musically, I don't think this suggestion is really different than the Rochut, but it is a book I am enjoying. It is "Giuseppe Concone, The Complete Solfeggi, Transcribed and edited for trombone and other bass clef instruments" by John Korak, published by Balquhidder and distributed by Carl Fischer. What do I like about this book: 1. Concone. I like a lot of his stuff. 2. There are no annotations on the exercises, so it makes you think about interpretation. In a way, this makes it a good follow-up to Fink's "Studies in Legato." 3. OK, I admit it. I don't have the greatest, most flowing high range. This book lets me work on keeping the air moving and interpretation while sometimes the Rochut had me working too hard and kept me from playing correctly and interpreting well. Of course, I also play the Concone in bass and tenor clefs so I get a high range work out from them too. 4. They're good early in the practice session after warmups and before I work on solo stuff that does work the high register. My one complaint with the book is that it is quite thick and it was hard to get it to lie flat on the stand. For $4 I had the binding cut off and a spiral binding added at a Kinko's copy shop. There is a web site at http://home.earthlink.net/~balqmusic At times I also work my way through Schirmer's "Fifty Selected Songs by Schubert, Schumann, Brahms, Wolf, and Straus (for high voice)." Might not be everyone's musical taste, but it certainly qualifies as real music instead of studies. Oh, and this is another book that I had rebound at Kinko's. Cheers, Andy ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:23:07 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Re: Steely Dan Message-ID: <009701c09d7a$57347340$700dfd3e@q9y6f8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Izzo" To: "Adrian Drover" ; "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 2:07 AM Subject: Re: Steely Dan > I wrote: > > > > Who is "Steely Dan"? > > > Adrian responded: > > > Don't ask me. I stopped listening to pop music after Glenn Miller > > disappeared.. > > > He disappeared? Nawwwwwww. I saw him last week in Detroit. He was having > lunch with Elvis. :-) Ah yes, Elvis is in need of a new vocal arrangement of "Moonlight Serenade" for his Heaven Band audition. Can't think why they have to meet in Detroit tho'. A. Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk www.adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 03:23:21 -0700 From: "Wirt Wolff" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Goodbye Pork Pie Hat/Gary Valente etc... Message-ID: <004601c09d82$a62dc2a0$9d1d0e3f@nbb94> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Check out Mingus Big Band BLUES & POLITICS too. > I'm working on the Charles Mingus tune Good Bye Pork Pie Hat, which he > wrote in memory of Lester Young. I just listened to all 4 versions that I > have in my collection in the following semi-arbitrary order: > > 1. Mingus Ah Um...Probably (?) the definitive version, although I know > Mingus had recorded this tune several times. ... > 2. Canadian 80's band UZEB recorded a wonderful version of this tune...but > it's the only straight-ahead jazz track hidden on a shameless fusion album > (hey, what do you want, it was the 80's, I was young then...). Probably not > worth hunting down, but beautifully played nonetheless. (Trivia > sidebar...Miles Davis tried to recruit bassist Alain Caron for his band > circa Man with the Horn...Alain refused unless Miles would hire the rest of > UZEB...) > > TROMBONE CONTENT ALERT!! RECOMMENDED RECORDING!! > > 3. Carla Bley - Big Band Theory. Carla's arrangement is, I think, > amazing. It starts with solo bass trombone (Ashley Slater); towards the > end of the melody, the other 3 trombones join in a beuatifully written > chorale/dirge. Then there's a killer solo by Gary Valente. He has this > unbelievable (and extremely unconventional) cutting edge to his sound which > perfectly fits the gutteral bluesy quality of this piece. As a bonus, you > also get a solo from one of my favourite trumpet players, Lew Soloff. The > rest of the album is excellent too, by the way. Gary and Lew are featured > on the other tracks as well, and the writing is -such- a refreshing change > from the conservative big band styles to which we're all so accustomed. > > 4. Joni Mitchell - Mingus. Another completely different and beautiful > take on this piece, with an all star band including Jaco Pastorious, Wayne > Shorter, Herbie Hancock and Peter Erskine. The rest of the album is really > good too. > > I'm interested in hearing more about Gary Valente - his sound and concept > (which may not be everyone's cup of tea) intrigues me. Sam? > > I'd also like to recommend this amazing Mingus playalong I just picked up > (the catalyst to this whole post). It's published by Jazz Workshop and > distributed by Hal Leonard. 14 of the most important Mingus compositions > are performed on 2 cd's; the first is a playalong with John Hicks (pno), > Boris Kozlov (bass) and Tommy Campbell (drums)...the second is the same > tracks with tenor player Seamus Blake playing the melodies and soloing. > The book has good charts as well as great photos, historical notes, > discographies, etc. Fun for all! > > Sorry if I seem all fired up...I just -really- enjoyed listening to these > recordings and thought I'd share them with you. > > Cheers, > > Jamie Stager > Toronto, Ontario, Canada > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1959--