TROMBONE-L Digest 1958 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Thayer valve by "Eric & Leandra Edwards" 2) Tuning In The Slide by JFBermann@aol.com 3) Re: Slide tuning by sabutin@mindspring.com 4) RE: Tuning In The Slide by "Andrew Elms" 5) Re: I'm back... with a question... by Candice & Eric Swanson 6) RE: IU Visiting Professor of Trombone 2001-2002 by "Richardson, Tim" 7) (no subject) by Voyager1221sc@aol.com 8) Re: Tuning In The Slide by JFBermann@aol.com 9) Re: (no subject) by JFBermann@aol.com 10) Re: Mammaries (was...never mind) by "Gary D. Maxwell" 11) Re: Thayer valve by Gabriel Langfur 12) Rosolino by Eugene Grissom 13) Re: Conical bells (was: <>) by Richard Corliss 14) Re: Slide tuning by "Tim Dowling" 15) Tuning on a one-piece bell by jimandcat@juno.com 16) Re: Conical bells (was: <>) by sabutin@mindspring.com 17) Re: Slide tuning by sabutin@mindspring.com 18) Bach Strad Cases by "Johnson, Scott (TBS)" 19) Re: Slide tuning by sabutin@mindspring.com 20) Re: Bach Strad Cases by "Dennis Clason" 21) Re: Bach Strad Cases by Dan Thorpe 22) Re: Conical bells (was: <>) by "Daniel Pliskin" 23) Re: Tuning on a one-piece bell by Craig Parmerlee 24) Re: Thayer valve by "Daniel Pliskin" 25) Re: Slide tuning by Craig Parmerlee 26) Re: Mammaries (was...never mind) by "Daniel Pliskin" 27) TMJ by Sarah Lorimor 28) Re: Slide tuning by Anders.Carlsson@gfs.gu.se (Anders Carlsson) 29) Inner tubes? by Anders.Carlsson@gfs.gu.se (Anders Carlsson) 30) Re: Thayer valve by Candice & Eric Swanson 31) Re: ITA Competitions by "posaune rex" 32) Re: Bach Strad Cases by Candice & Eric Swanson 33) Re: Inner tubes? by BassBonist@aol.com 34) Re: TMJ by Candice & Eric Swanson 35) Re: Inner tubes? by Candice & Eric Swanson 36) Steve Norrell by "Corey Cowart" 37) Blue Bells by Tbcwes@aol.com 38) Re: Inner tubes? by "Roger Carmichael" 39) Re: Inner tubes? by "Joseph Sellmansberger" 40) (no subject) by William Dinwiddie 41) Re: TMJ by Sarah Lorimor 42) Re: (no subject) by "Tom Izzo" 43) Trombonists around the world by "Roger Carmichael" 44) Re: (no subject) by Candice & Eric Swanson 45) Re: (no subject) by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 46) Steely Dan by "Roger Carmichael" 47) Berklee College Jazz Festival by "Benedikt J. Dietrich" 48) Fw: Steely Dan by "Roger Carmichael" 49) Re: Steely Dan by "Jeff Albert" 50) Re: Steely Dan by "Roger Carmichael" 51) CBDNA Conference by "bassbone" 52) Re: Steely Dan by "Rod Ellard" 53) Re: Steely Dan by Craig Parmerlee 54) Steely Dan by William Dinwiddie 55) RE: Trombonists around the world by "Brad Howland" 56) Re: Lyrics for "The Girl with the Flaxen Hair" by "Paul Hill" 57) Re: Inner tubes? by Candice & Eric Swanson 58) Re: ITA Competitions by Beth Lewis 59) Re: Inner tubes? by Andrew Michael 60) Patience! by Pat and Joe Chapman 61) Re: Inner tubes? by James Scott 62) Fw: ITA Competitions by "Steven Greenall" 63) Re: Patience! by Dave Tall ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 06:32:18 -0600 From: "Eric & Leandra Edwards" To: "Trombone-L" , Subject: Re: Thayer valve Message-ID: <003001c09c02$56713020$a537aec7@Flashnet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Beth, I would definitely NOT recommend bending braces to fit the valve section. This is an easy way to either break something or bind the rotors. Best bet is to find someone who can solder well and realign the braces, or take the time to send it back to Shires. Thayers are not inherently difficult to work on, they just need a little more TLC than conventional rotors. Kind of like working on Jaguars compared to Fords If you have any more questions, please feel free to write off list. Thanks Eric Edwards bonearzt@mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth Lewis" Subject: Thayer valve > Sorry to bore everyone with another equipment related thread, but... > > The alignment of each of the two braces on my Shires Thayer valve section > is off by around 1/16". That may not sound like much, but it still may be > enough tension to dampen the sound. So, what I've tried is having the > local repair guy bend them into alignment (slightly), but they went back > to where they were before after a few days. Someone from SEShires > suggested another thing to try: rotating the top plate slightly in the > appropriate direction to make the braces meet (assuming that is why > they're out, rather than faulty wormanship in soldering the braces on to > begin with). My question concerning this is: Would moving the top plate > mess up the valve's performance, i.e. misalign the valve itself? I'm a > real novice when it comes to these valves, and have never taken one apart > myself or anything (just playing the thing is challenging enough sometimes > :). I'm considering having the repair guy look at it again but haven't > heard particularly good things about his work with Thayers. I just don't > want to screw up the valve (which is working quite well btw) over > something this minor (yet would still like to get it fixed asap since it's > a new horn and under warranty). Should I just send it back to Shires at > the next opportunity? > > Thanks, > Beth Lewis > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:43:24 EST From: JFBermann@aol.com To: ellard@sprint.ca, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Tuning In The Slide Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rod and fellow listers, I was fortunate to have tried Mark Fisher's Edwards handslide with the tuning. It was a dual bore .547-.562 made for Bruce Nelson, bass trombonist with the Lyric Opera, and Mark had acquired it from him. I was looking for a dual bore slide for my Edwards tenor, and while this slide was excellent, I was not happy with the placement of the tuning mechanism. For those of you familiar with the slides with tuning in them, the slide is cut about 1/3 the way down from the top, some with extra cross bracing, some not. On the Edwards it was cut less than 1/4 the way down, and the cross bracing actually got in the way of the main outer handslide brace, thus you ended up grabing both braces, because there was little room to grab the main brace. I though about removing the tuning mechanism's cross brace, but becaue they way it was set up, it would have challenged the integrity of the slide. I had mentioned this to Christan at Edwards, and he agreed. They haven't made very many of these slides, but aside from what I mentioned, it was a great slide. If I were to have one made, I'd send my 60H or 70H slide along to have those dimensions duplicated. Jim Bermann ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:23:28 -0500 From: sabutin@mindspring.com To: ellard@sprint.ca Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Slide tuning Message-ID: <200102211434.JAA18043@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" At 10:05 AM 2/20/01 -0800, you wrote: Hello everyone. I've beenÊquite impressed with my recently acquired Conn 62H (wonderful sound and the best playing horn I've ever played) and IÊwas wondering (as opposed to working on this beautiful sunny day): 1. Were any .547 horns ever produced with tuning in the slide?Ê ========================== Yes. Conn produced a whole line of horns, from .485 to bass trombones w/slide tuning, and many were also made in various sizes by Holton, York, Olds and King, among others. =================== 2. Recently I noticed someone selling an Edwards slide wit t-i-t-s on the OTJ (formerly owned by "Mark Fisher of the Lyric Opera" -[I'm going by meory here])? Someone must have mated it to a suitable bell. Has anyone tried this and, if so, how did it work? 3. Do you think Edwards or Shires could make a .547 tenor w. t-i-t-s? Sort of a tenor version of a 62H,Êwith a Thayer or a decent rotor, open wrap F,Êunbroken gooseneck/bell and t-i-t-s. Rod ========================================= I tried for several years to get major companies interested in pursuing this idea in any size horn they wished, but none were interested. I am still convinced that if someone applied today's technology to this design idea, a breakthrough horn could be produced that would sell very, very well...at first among pros, but after a few years, right on down the line into high schools. Witness the recent history of Edwards and Shires. At first only a few pros knew about them...now about 25% of the students in almost every school in which I do a clinic have Edwards or Shires horns, and that percentage is only going to get larger. SOME company will eventually put in the design and retooling $$$$ to do this, I think...and when they do, if they do it right they will have a winner. The old Conn and Olds slide tuning horns I have tried...and played by choice, for a number of years..uniformly have an openness and unobstructed smoothness to their blow (plus a warmth to their sound at volume coupled w/just the right amount of brilliance and bite and RIDICULOUSLY good extreme registers, high AND low) that is unmatched in any other group of horns I know. I personally like Shires horns today, and have switched to a wonderful .525 Shires because the old horns were just too...well, too OLD, w/all that entails...but even after not playing them for any appreciable amount of time for over 6 months, when I pick up my Conn 40H (.500 bore slide tuning), 76H (.525/.547 bore slide tuning), or 70H (.547/.565 bore slide tuning)...all w/red brass bells, all from the early '30s...and play them, they have an almost magical core to their sound that I have never experienced on any other instruments. Their slides are too worn and too heavy, and to some degree playing them in contemporary situations is like trying to drive a 1935 Packard in one of today's rally car races...but oh what a RIDE !!! Later... S. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:44:01 -0500 From: "Andrew Elms" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Tuning In The Slide Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They changed this design a little on the t-i-s Edwards that I played. There is no second cross brace to grab. This could probably lead to some alignment problems, but it gets rid of the problem of grabbing the second brace and it also doesn't add as much weight to the slide. The ones I played looked identical to an Edwards Orchestral weight slide, the only difference being that you could move the nickel oversleeves and there was a fine tuning screw on one side. (I still have the photo of the one) Just trying to clear this up, Andy -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of JFBermann@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 8:43 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Tuning In The Slide Rod and fellow listers, I was fortunate to have tried Mark Fisher's Edwards handslide with the tuning. It was a dual bore .547-.562 made for Bruce Nelson, bass trombonist with the Lyric Opera, and Mark had acquired it from him. I was looking for a dual bore slide for my Edwards tenor, and while this slide was excellent, I was not happy with the placement of the tuning mechanism. For those of you familiar with the slides with tuning in them, the slide is cut about 1/3 the way down from the top, some with extra cross bracing, some not. On the Edwards it was cut less than 1/4 the way down, and the cross bracing actually got in the way of the main outer handslide brace, thus you ended up grabing both braces, because there was little room to grab the main brace. I though about removing the tuning mechanism's cross brace, but becaue they way it was set up, it would have challenged the integrity of the slide. I had mentioned this to Christan at Edwards, and he agreed. They haven't made very many of these slides, but aside from what I mentioned, it was a great slide. If I were to have one made, I'd send my 60H or 70H slide along to have those dimensions duplicated. Jim Bermann ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:04:18 -0500 From: Candice & Eric Swanson Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: I'm back... with a question... Message-ID: <3A93CAE3.A0A91BF7@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit silversonic@att.net wrote: > I have a question for those of you familiar with older > trombones. > > Very old trombone in excellent condition. Very small > bore, bell is engraved "The Wallace" by Williams and > Wallace, Los Angeles California. > > I'm assuming that this instrument is an early effort > involving Earl Williams and possibly Spike Wallace. You are correct. Eric ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:12:31 -0500 From: "Richardson, Tim" To: "'Beth Lewis'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: IU Visiting Professor of Trombone 2001-2002 Message-ID: <21E592FA8BA7D311B5B100062B001FE206F12B56@LEE2> I cannot resist pointing out that like Mr. Zuiderduin, I also play all 7 trombone positions. Is it harder to play all the positions at the Hague, maybe because you are short of slide room? I guess I would have to recommend Mr. Zuiderduin buy a Quadraslide then. yours, Tim Richardson > -----Original Message----- > From: Beth Lewis [SMTP:ealewis@indiana.edu] > "Mr. Zuiderduin has a long, varied, and distinguished career in > symphonic, chamber, and avant-garde playing. In his tenure with the Hague > Philharmonic, he has played in all trombone positions, having been > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:23:00 EST From: Voyager1221sc@aol.com To: Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <46.10e28ec5.27c53755@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, My name is Stephen Carr, and I'm a trmbone student at UNCG. I'm trying to locate Song and Dance for trombone and piano by Dick Lieb. If anyone knows where i might be able to obtain a copy of this piece or has a copy that they could sell to me would you please write me at Voyager1221sc@aol.com. Thankyou, Stephen Carr ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:23:05 EST From: JFBermann@aol.com To: elmsandr@msu.edu, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Tuning In The Slide Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andy, Thanks for the update on the Edwards slide. Removing that brace would certainly make it better, but I would still question the integrity of the slide as far as solidity and alignment goes. Thanks, Jim ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:27:26 EST From: JFBermann@aol.com To: Voyager1221sc@aol.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: (no subject) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Stephen, Dick is a very good friend of mine. E-mail him at ziskhank@tradenet.net and tell him I told you to contact him. He's a fabulous person and will help you out however he can All My Best, Jim Bermann ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 07:31:16 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Mammaries (was...never mind) Message-ID: <000801c09c1b$57c12660$5d525d3f@garymaxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So saith Adrian > Mammaries are made of this. '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' All I have to offer is: TaDa-Da-DeeDot-Dot Gary > > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 07:37:55 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Thayer valve Message-ID: <20010221153755.33526.qmail@web10305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Beth, Thayer valves are REALLY easy to take apart & put back together - much easier than rotors. Start by simply loosening everything that will loosen, and then tightening it all back up in a different order - you probably want to do the main ring (where the top of the valve meets the cone-shaped section) last, given the alignment issue you're talking about, but experiment with it. If the two braces are off by the same amount, the alignment of the top plate is probably the issue rather than faulty soldering. It may have been over-tightened while the rest of the screws were loose, causing it to rotate a little too far. This is what they're talking about when they say rotate the top plate to bring the braces into alignment. This might do the trick completely. As the valve breaks in you will need to do this less often - I had to fiddle with mine a lot right after I got them - two valves complicates the alignments even more - and now they've settled in nicely. Don't be afraid of doing the maintenance of these valves yourself. As long as you're careful, they will benefit a lot from regular care. Have someone who's had thayers for a while show you how to take them apart. If Chris Dearth is still around IU, ask him...and say hi to him for me at the same time! Gabe Langfur __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:26:56 -0500 (EST) From: Eugene Grissom To: trombone-L@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Rosolino Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII TB's & related issues forum, The International Association of Jazz Record Collectors has just issued a CD - Herbie Fields septet - Live at the Flame Club, S Paul, 1949 which presents an excellant opportunity to compare the mature Rosolino style of the 70's with the rather "raw" early pre-Kenton style. Charles Waters, Jr., 8809 Echo Valley, Houstinm TX 77055 is the place to inquire and order. Gene Grissom / Professor Emeritus Executive Director - Frank Rosolino Memorial Fund, Inc. (for those into Rosolino, etc., a new shipment of T-shirts have arrived - if interested send me your size - L, XL, XXL - and a check to the Frank Rosolino Memorial Fund ($16). to 4607 Clear Lake Drive, Gainesville, FL 32607. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:39:16 -0600 From: Richard Corliss To: Trombone-l mailing Subject: Re: Conical bells (was: <>) Message-ID: <3A93EF33.B1A7BD64@astound.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > As for tuning in the slide slides...they have more weight than a tuning bell > horn with the extra hardware...and that philosophy that has endured for > generations. Heavy slide, light bell section theory. Still works! The > 62-H is not dead! > > Regards, > Gary > What is the theory here? I have started to use a heavier sterling silver 2B slide with a lighter brass 2B bell and like it very much. Today I tried a heavier 6h slide with a lighter Coprion bell, and liked it. Is there some kind of theory related to this? Richard Corliss ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:48:40 +0100 From: "Tim Dowling" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Slide tuning Message-ID: <009301c09c26$27ba8780$a61540d4@xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seems to me, that the principle advantage of tuning-i-t-slide, apart from the possibility of having a continuous taper through the bell, is that it would reduce the amount of tubing that is doubled over (and necessarily cylindrical). On most trombones the increase in undoubled (thus undamped) tubing would be about 6 inches, quite a lot for the bell section alone. Would I be correct in thinking that the two places where the tubing is doubled on standard "tuning in the bell" trombones, with thick grease between the tubes, would function only to decrease the resonance in the bell? I can see a lot of advantages in the system of tuning in the slide, despite the increased weight. Also from reading Sabutin's post, surely the early '30's Conn 76H would be a prime candidate for one of the new trombone builders to copy and modernise. Sounds like a "perfect" instrument for all sorts of situations. I'm curious Sam, what is the bell diameter of that trombone? Tim Dowling Residentie Orchestra The Hague ----- Original Message ----- From: sabutin@mindspring.com To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 3:23 PM Subject: Re: Slide tuning At 10:05 AM 2/20/01 -0800, you wrote: Hello everyone. I've been quite impressed with my recently acquired Conn 62H (wonderful sound and the best playing horn I've ever played) and I was wondering (as opposed to working on this beautiful sunny day): 1. Were any .547 horns ever produced with tuning in the slide? ========================== Yes. Conn produced a whole line of horns, from .485 to bass trombones w/slide tuning, and many were also made in various sizes by Holton, York, Olds and King, among others. =================== 2. Recently I noticed someone selling an Edwards slide wit t-i-t-s on the OTJ (formerly owned by "Mark Fisher of the Lyric Opera" -[I'm going by meory here])? Someone must have mated it to a suitable bell. Has anyone tried this and, if so, how did it work? 3. Do you think Edwards or Shires could make a .547 tenor w. t-i-t-s? Sort of a tenor version of a 62H, with a Thayer or a decent rotor, open wrap F, unbroken gooseneck/bell and t-i-t-s. Rod ========================================= I tried for several years to get major companies interested in pursuing this idea in any size horn they wished, but none were interested. I am still convinced that if someone applied today's technology to this design idea, a breakthrough horn could be produced that would sell very, very well...at first among pros, but after a few years, right on down the line into high schools. Witness the recent history of Edwards and Shires. At first only a few pros knew about them...now about 25% of the students in almost every school in which I do a clinic have Edwards or Shires horns, and that percentage is only going to get larger. SOME company will eventually put in the design and retooling $$$$ to do this, I think...and when they do, if they do it right they will have a winner. The old Conn and Olds slide tuning horns I have tried...and played by choice, for a number of years..uniformly have an openness and unobstructed smoothness to their blow (plus a warmth to their sound at volume coupled w/just the right amount of brilliance and bite and RIDICULOUSLY good extreme registers, high AND low) that is unmatched in any other group of horns I know. I personally like Shires horns today, and have switched to a wonderful .525 Shires because the old horns were just too...well, too OLD, w/all that entails...but even after not playing them for any appreciable amount of time for over 6 months, when I pick up my Conn 40H (.500 bore slide tuning), 76H (.525/.547 bore slide tuning), or 70H (.547/.565 bore slide tuning)...all w/red brass bells, all from the early '30s...and play them, they have an almost magical core to their sound that I have never experienced on any other instruments. Their slides are too worn and too heavy, and to some degree playing them in contemporary situations is like trying to drive a 1935 Packard in one of today's rally car races...but oh what a RIDE !!! Later... S. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:26:02 -0800 From: jimandcat@juno.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Tuning on a one-piece bell Message-ID: <20010221.092604.-383355.1.Jimandcat@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The recent thread on the tuning-in-the-slide revived a question that I have thought about. Suppose you had a 62H or a 60H and wanted to use another slide (say, Edwards dual bore). You would then need to have the tuning slide somewere. How about if you put it right where the neckpipe (gooseneck, shoulderpipe, whatever) comes out of the rotor and the entire bell would slide (like some trumpets). Larry Minick made a trombone (or more) that did this. (The reason for him was that the bell was one piece from rim to rotor.) There was very little hardware, affected braces were tongue and groove with set-screws. Has anyone tried this? Seems possible, would it adversely affect crucial nodes? I have a line on a 60H and was thinking of using the bell with Greehhoe's valves and my Edwards slide. Seems like it might make a pretty nice commercial horn. Jim Prindle ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 12:20:12 -0500 From: sabutin@mindspring.com To: rcorliss@astound.net Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Conical bells (was: <>) Message-ID: <200102211731.MAA03315@blount.mail.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:39 AM 2/21/01 -0600, you wrote: >> >> As for tuning in the slide slides...they have more weight than a tuning bell >> horn with the extra hardware...and that philosophy that has endured for >> generations. Heavy slide, light bell section theory. Still works! The >> 62-H is not dead! >> >> Regards, >> Gary >> > >What is the theory here? I have started to use a heavier sterling silver >2B slide with a lighter brass 2B bell and like it very much. Today I tried >a heavier 6h slide with a lighter Coprion bell, and liked it. > >Is there some kind of theory related to this? > >Richard Corliss ================ Theory: If it sounds good, use it. Corollary: It sounds good on one application, see if it works w/others. S. > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 12:22:56 -0500 From: sabutin@mindspring.com To: "Tim Dowling" Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Slide tuning Message-ID: <200102211734.MAA17902@blount.mail.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:48 PM 2/21/01 +0100, you wrote: >Seems to me, that the principle advantage of tuning-i-t-slide, apart from >the possibility of having a continuous taper through the bell, is that it >would reduce the amount of tubing that is doubled over (and necessarily >cylindrical). On most trombones the increase in undoubled (thus undamped) >tubing would be about 6 inches, quite a lot for the bell section alone. >Would I be correct in thinking that the two places where the tubing is >doubled on standard "tuning in the bell" trombones, with thick grease >between the tubes, would function only to decrease the resonance in the >bell? > > >I can see a lot of advantages in the system of tuning in the slide, despite >the increased weight. >Also from reading Sabutin's post, surely the early '30's Conn 76H would be a >prime candidate for one of the new trombone builders to copy and modernise. >Sounds like a "perfect" instrument for all sorts of situations. I'm curious >Sam, what is the bell diameter of that trombone? ====================== Tim... Depends on how loud I'm playing. (Naaaaah...strike that, I just couldn't resist.) 8 1/2" Sam ---snip--- ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:38:49 -0500 From: "Johnson, Scott (TBS)" To: "Trombone-l (E-mail)" Subject: Bach Strad Cases Message-ID: <5D9A184FEEEDD211A4050000F81FD0E8057BA0B1@cnncmx04.turner.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi all! I have a fairly new stock Bach Strad case that came with my 42BO. I've been living with it for the past 6 months or so and have gotten so that I really miss the older style cases that had latches instead of the current zipper/Velcro case-cover look. The latches were a lot easier and quicker to open and seem, to me anyway, to be more substantial than the current design. I've seen some student's with the zipper pulls missing from their cases due to youthful enthusiasms, etc. The rest of the case I like very much. So, does anyone know of any easy modifications that can be done to de-zipper and de-Velcro this case and still have something that looks good, or do I really have the best possible case design already and should just be thankful? Scott (Arriving-10-minutes-earlier-than-normal-to-allow-for-getting-the-case-open) Johnson Conyers, GA ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 12:29:38 -0500 From: sabutin@mindspring.com To: "Rod Ellard" Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Slide tuning Message-ID: <200102211740.MAA28410@blount.mail.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" At 08:55 AM 2/21/01 -0800, you wrote: Good morning Sam. Your comments about the "core" of the sound applies, I think, to my 62H, as well. Less the age than the design, I bet. As for the weight of the slide, I really don't notice much of a difference in my horn. I wonder how it would compare weightwise to a heavy weight Bach or Edwards b.t. slide? ==================== The slide tuning slides are heavier...not a great deal, but enough to be noticeable, enough to alter some of the ways I manipulate them...more straight line motions through "alternate" positions because of greater inertia, plus (for me) an necessity to use more of my hand on the cross grip for control. They're just not a subtle as contemporary slides, but I think that has a great deal to do w/their age, well used condition and the manufacturing techniques used at the time they were made. What they lack in mobility they make up for in sound and in evenness of response throughout the registers. Contemporary technology and slide making techniques could, I believe, change some of that lack of mobility. S. I can't imagine it being that complicated to build a mini-62H. It looks to me as if all one would need would be an unbroken goose-neck from the exit port of the valve, around the bend and up to a connection with the bell (which otherwise appears to be fairly conventional). Eliminates two sets of bracing and two sets of double wall tubing in the tuning slide. I don't know how difficult it would be to build the gooseneck. Rod ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:14:17 -0800 From: "Dennis Clason" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Bach Strad Cases Message-ID: <014a01c09c3a$7c92b700$0d2b7b80@nmsu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I have a fairly new stock Bach Strad case that came with my 42BO. I've been > living with it for the past 6 months or so and have gotten so that I really > miss the older style cases that had latches instead of the current > zipper/Velcro case-cover look. The latches were a lot easier and quicker to > open and seem, to me anyway, to be more substantial than the current design. > I've seen some student's with the zipper pulls missing from their cases due > to youthful enthusiasms, etc. The rest of the case I like very much. > > So, does anyone know of any easy modifications that can be done to de-zipper > and de-Velcro this case and still have something that looks good, or do I > really have the best possible case design already and should just be > thankful? Well, personally I think Bach's cases have been headed downhill since they stopped making/using the French style cases. If I buy a new Bach trombone, I won't be using Bach's case. If the case is still made of plywood, you can attach hardware to it. If it's some sort of structural foam, you'll have to use top and bottom backings of some sort. Removing the zipper is probably too big a pain to do -- I'd just not zip the thing and use the hardware instead. What I'd really do is get a Johnson case. YMMV, of course. Dennis -- ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:23:49 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Thorpe To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Bach Strad Cases Message-ID: <20010221192349.55878.qmail@web10509.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think the design is good. But I thought it was to heavy. I believe the were trying to get that "gig" bag feel. I am in the same boat you were as I recieved my 42B0 last june. I just sidetracked the problem I bought a Reunion Blues gig bag. --- "Johnson, Scott (TBS)" wrote: > Hi all! > > I have a fairly new stock Bach Strad case that came > with my 42BO. I've been > living with it for the past 6 months or so and have > gotten so that I really > miss the older style cases that had latches instead > of the current > zipper/Velcro case-cover look. The latches were a > lot easier and quicker to > open and seem, to me anyway, to be more substantial > than the current design. > I've seen some student's with the zipper pulls > missing from their cases due > to youthful enthusiasms, etc. The rest of the case I > like very much. > > So, does anyone know of any easy modifications that > can be done to de-zipper > and de-Velcro this case and still have something > that looks good, or do I > really have the best possible case design already > and should just be > thankful? > > Scott > (Arriving-10-minutes-earlier-than-normal-to-allow-for-getting-the-case-open) > Johnson > Conyers, GA ===== Dan Thorpe Trmbman@aol.com Wactrm@yahoo.com http://talk.to/DanThorpe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:02:10 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Conical bells (was: <>) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I continue to be disappointed with tuning slide designs that I see. One would think that the sliding part of a tuning slide could be viewed as part of the expansion, where the sound went from smaller tube to larger tube, on its way out the bell. Yet I so often see an attempt to restore the smaller inside diameter, after the slide. It?s almost as if they expect that the slide will always be all the way in. From a logistical point of view, I?d rather have a horn that played in A-440, with the tuning slide half way out. At least, then, I?d be able to tune to things that were way sharp, as well as things that re way flat. I have no idea how much, having the tuning slide out, effects the sound and response. I?ve just never checked that out. DanP From: Craig Parmerlee Reply-To: craig@acticalc.com To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Conical bells (was: <>) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:21:43 -0500 At 04:25 PM 2/20/2001 -0500, Andrew Elms wrote: Well, with an Edwards, and possibly Shires, I'm not sure about the shires, the inner tuning slides are tapered. Thus, with the bell tuning slide all the way in, you would have a conical bell section. No sir. If the tuning slide legs were tapered, they would not slide. The parts that slide past one another must be cylindrical. That is the whole point of the tuning in the slide. The original horns that had slide tuning also had a continuously expanding bell taper all the way from the final crook to the bell rim. Any bell section with a sliding section will necessarily have a discontinuity in the conical design. Whether this makes any difference, I have no clue, but smarter people than me swear by it. Again, I see no purpose whatsoever of having the heavy, finicky tuning-in-slide mechanism if you don't end up with an improved bell section. It is all pain and no gain that way. That the way I see it anyway. Craig _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:13:18 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Tuning on a one-piece bell Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010221160731.01fe26e0@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed That is in fact the way most soprano trombones are made today. I don't see why it would not work for tenor as long as you have a suitable way to grip with your left hand. If you are using a trigger, then tuning to the flatter pitches would have your left hand somewhere around your ear. And of course, the bell location would move around, which is distracting to some players. Speaking of soprano trombones, I think Jupiter, Mirafone, and Weril all have a design that is one piece from the hand slide coupler to the bell rim, with the conical properties being continuous from the final crook on. This is strong evidence that the manufacturing process is well known and not overly expensive. On my Jupiter, the conical expansion isn't perfectly continuous. I'll bet it is better on the Mirafone. Food for thought. Craig At 09:26 AM 2/21/2001 -0800, jimandcat@juno.com wrote: The recent thread on the tuning-in-the-slide revived a question that I have thought about. Suppose you had a 62H or a 60H and wanted to use another slide (say, Edwards dual bore). You would then need to have the tuning slide somewere. How about if you put it right where the neckpipe (gooseneck, shoulderpipe, whatever) comes out of the rotor and the entire bell would slide (like some trumpets). Larry Minick made a trombone (or more) that did this. (The reason for him was that the bell was one piece from rim to rotor.) There was very little hardware, affected braces were tongue and groove with set-screws. Has anyone tried this? Seems possible, would it adversely affect crucial nodes? I have a line on a 60H and was thinking of using the bell with Greehhoe's valves and my Edwards slide. Seems like it might make a pretty nice commercial horn. Jim Prindle ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:14:26 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Thayer valve Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi Beth, I would definitely NOT recommend bending braces to fit the valve section. This is an easy way to either break something or bind the rotors. Best bet is to find someone who can solder well and realign the braces, or take the time to send it back to Shires. I didn?t want to chime in on the ?have someone re-solder your horn, concept, because of two things. First, how did it get out of alignment, to begin with? Did it get bent, such that bending it back might get the horn back to where it?s suppose to be? If it?s a new horn, with this problem, then it might be that the manufacturer would be willing to re-solder it and refinish it, afterwards. Otherwise, part of the expense of having it re-soldered is that it, then, either needs to be refinished or you need to be willing to have a horn that, at best, has its finish stripped off of the bell section. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:23:18 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Slide tuning Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010221161530.01fec508@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:48 PM 2/21/2001 +0100, Tim Dowling wrote: Seems to me, that the principal advantage of tuning-i-t-slide, apart from the possibility of having a continuous taper through the bell, is that it would reduce the amount of tubing that is doubled over (and necessarily cylindrical). On most trombones the increase in undoubled (thus undamped) tubing would be about 6 inches, quite a lot for the bell section alone. Would I be correct in thinking that the two places where the tubing is doubled on standard "tuning in the bell" trombones, with thick grease between the tubes, would function only to decrease the resonance in the bell? Yes Tim, I think your argument makes great sense. In fact, if there were no drawbacks to the tuning-in-slide, wouldn't we all quickly agree that a seamless, continuous taper bell section with no doubled sections would be utopia? I think so. So the issue becomes one of what is possible with the hand slide. As an owner of a carbon fiber hand slide, I'm here to tell you that we have only scratched the surface of what could be done with hand slides. Although carbon fiber may not be the perfect choice for the outer tubes (although I can argue it is pretty darned good), we could certainly use carbon for oversleeves and the grips/bracing. Using the new technology on that very limited basis should yield a slide that is not appreciably slower than the best of today's slides. Maybe we need to form a consortium to help promote and fund the next generation of equipment. Cheers, Craig ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:31:59 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Mammaries (was...never mind) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > Mammaries are made of this. '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' All I have to offer is: TaDa-Da-DeeDot-Dot Jeez, yous guys! Between the ?Tuning In The Slide? comments and the ?7 Positions?, I?m beginning to wonder if everything on this account might be junk mail. Well, I do admit I haven?t seen ?Teen sluts with trombones?, ?enlarge your trombone, naturally?, ?Refinance your trombone? or ?Loose 20 inches off of you r trombone? as of yet, so perhaps I?m jumping the gun, but? I?ve always found that if I wanted to work really, really hard I had to make sure that I also lived the rest of my life really, really hard?that almost anything left out would ultimately be the weak link that brought it all down. I took 22 units a term, in electrical engineering, that way and I?ve done several projects that way, as well. As such, I believe?oops, there it goes again?think that y?all might consider putting down your horns and getting on with the rest of your lives. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:46:30 -0800 (PST) From: Sarah Lorimor To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: TMJ Message-ID: <20010221214630.13515.qmail@web12304.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear list, My name is Sarah Lorimor, I'm a sophmore in high school, I haven't contributed much to the list, but I need some feedback now. I have TMJ, very severe, to the point I am unable to eat solid food or play for months at a time. I've gone through several mouth spacers, months of physical therapy, and specialized chiropractic treatment, and ultimately, surgery not quite two months ago. None of these were very helpful. Basically, I'm being told I need to quit, because the pressure on the ligaments is too much. I'm being told I need to quit by physical therapists, surgeons, and by trombonists who have seen someone else go through this. Playing can be quite painful, especially in the high register. I refuse to quit, so this is where I'm asking for help. Does anyone know of any tricks to get around this? There isn't anything else, medically, that can be done, but if there's a different way to play, or someone has any information, or this affects anybody else... I'm open to any suggestions right now. Thanks for your time! Sarah Lorimor ===== It's gonna take a lot of fireworks to clean up this place. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:56:40 +0200 From: Anders.Carlsson@gfs.gu.se (Anders Carlsson) Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Slide tuning Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit sabutin@mindspring.com wrote: >Yes. Conn produced a whole line of horns, from .485 to bass >trombones w/slide tuning, and many were also made in various sizes by >Holton, York, Olds and King, among others. How are the old King trombones with slide tuning? /Anders ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:04:24 +0200 From: Anders.Carlsson@gfs.gu.se (Anders Carlsson) To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Inner tubes? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sitting reading mails on this list really covers most of what one might need regarding infop on trombones but there's one thing I'm curious about that I don't see often. Has anyone experience with replating the inner slide tubes? A lot of people (including myself) seem to like older american horns which seem to be of a special quality in craftsmanship. A lot of these older horns have plating loss on the inner tubes but if you really like the trombone, is it a good idea to try to have them replated? (Especially if new tubes cant be found any more). Who does these replatings? /Anders Carlsson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:14:25 -0500 From: Candice & Eric Swanson Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Thayer valve Message-ID: <3A942FB1.FB9D9DEC@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Beth Lewis wrote: > The alignment of each of the two braces on my Shires Thayer valve section > is off by around 1/16". That may not sound like much, but it still may be > enough tension to dampen the sound. So, what I've tried is having the > local repair guy bend them into alignment (slightly), but they went back > to where they were before after a few days. Someone from SEShires > suggested another thing to try: rotating the top plate slightly in the > appropriate direction to make the braces meet (assuming that is why > they're out, rather than faulty wormanship in soldering the braces on to > begin with). My question concerning this is: Would moving the top plate > mess up the valve's performance, i.e. misalign the valve itself? Beth, The top plate should not be able to rotate. There should be a pin on the top plate that sticks down into a slot in the casing which aligns the top plate with the casing very precisely. It doesn't just spin around and face whatever way. Misalignment is really not possible except for the corks being the wrong thickness. It sounds to me like maybe you should put the horn together with all the braces tightened, and then have your repairman just heat the rear bell brace tube where it solders into the brace socket. If there is tension, loosening this solder joint should let it align itself and release the tension. I'm not intimately familiar with the Shires, but if it's built pretty much like an Edwards, I think there's a good chance this would relieve any stress, then if the braces still don't line up perfectly I wouldn't worry about it too much, if the valve(s) work and the horn plays fine. Eric Swanson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:21:57 From: "posaune rex" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: ITA Competitions Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed beth et al - I heard Ward Stare won the Marstellar competition, and Tony Wise was runner-up. stacy http://remember.to/practice From: Beth Lewis Reply-To: ealewis@indiana.edu To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: ITA Competitions Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 23:38:49 -0500 (EST) Hi listers, I was wondering if the word's out about the winners of ITA's competitions yet. I know the Remington (trombone choir) and Rosolino (jazz) winners have been picked, but don't know about the others yet. The Rosolino winner is a student (3rd yr undergrad) here at IU by the way--Roland Barber. A big congrats to him...he really deserves it! Any info would be appreciated... Beth Lewis _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:34:52 -0500 From: Candice & Eric Swanson Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Bach Strad Cases Message-ID: <3A94347C.601812C3@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Johnson, Scott (TBS)" wrote: > I have a fairly new stock Bach Strad case that came with my 42BO. I've been > living with it for the past 6 months or so and have gotten so that I really > miss the older style cases that had latches instead of the current > zipper/Velcro case-cover look. The latches were a lot easier and quicker to > open and seem, to me anyway, to be more substantial than the current design. > I've seen some student's with the zipper pulls missing from their cases due > to youthful enthusiasms, etc. The rest of the case I like very much. > > So, does anyone know of any easy modifications that can be done to de-zipper > and de-Velcro this case and still have something that looks good, or do I > really have the best possible case design already and should just be > thankful? > Scott, It's only a matter of time before the zipper breaks, as all zippers do eventually. When that happens, your local repair shop should be able to install some latches on there someplace. Any good instrument repairman who has been in the business for a while is also a case repairman. Eric Swanson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:44:32 EST From: BassBonist@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Inner tubes? Message-ID: <8e.116f2fbd.27c59ed0@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8e.116f2fbd.27c59ed0_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline Anders Carlsson writes: <> Slide stockings can be replated, however, it's usually not cost effective, and kind ÊÊÊÊÊof a finicky chore. I say stockings because it is not usually necessary to replate the entire length of the tube, just the worn area. << A lot of these older horns have plating loss on the inner tubes but if you really like the trombone, is it a good idea to try to have them replated? (Especially if ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ new tubes cant be found any more). Who does these replatings?>> I find it hard to believe that new tubes can't be found. Usually there are tubes that are close enough. To keep a vintage horn stock, you could send the tubes to Anderson Plating in Indiana to have the work done. Matt Varho Bass Trombonist ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:45:07 -0500 From: Candice & Eric Swanson Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: TMJ Message-ID: <3A9436E3.E663A8E3@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sarah Lorimor wrote: > Dear list, > > My name is Sarah Lorimor, I'm a sophmore in high > school, I haven't contributed much to the list, but I > need some feedback now. > > I have TMJ, very severe, to the point I am unable to > eat solid food or play for months at a time. ................ Sarah, Sorry to hear about the TMJ. Since you are still quite young, have you considered switching instruments? At your age, you could go over to one of the string instruments, percussion, piano, guitar, electric bass, etc., and not be too far behind the other kids. You'd catch up in no time. Bass or cello are both in bass clef, so they would be a pretty easy switch (if your school has orchestra, of course). Think about it, Eric ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:03:05 -0500 From: Candice & Eric Swanson Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Inner tubes? Message-ID: <3A943B18.811E725E@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BassBonist@aol.com wrote: > Anders Carlsson writes: > > <> > > To keep a vintage horn stock, you could send the > tubes to Anderson Plating in Indiana to have the work done. > > Matt Varho > Matt, I tried to get some slides plated a few years ago. At that time, Andersons didn't do chrome plating (I can't swear about right now). They suggested stainless nickel instead, said it works just as well. I sent several inner slides to them and had it done. The stainless nickel plated slides never worked very well at all. I gave up on them and replaced the tubes with new parts. If Anders or someone wants to call Andersons and check, please post and let us know if they've started doing chrome. They do fantastic work, but if it's not chrome it doesn't work too well in my experience. Allied used to do chrome plating, but my experience with that didn't go very well either. They've since discontinued their repair service anyway. Eric Swanson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:25:04 -0600 From: "Corey Cowart" To: Subject: Steve Norrell Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm trying to get in touch with Steve Norrell. Can somebody help me with his phone number? Thanks, Corey ps- After today I will not be able to access this email account for awhile. Please respond to: coreycowart@hotmail.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:43:46 EST From: Tbcwes@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Blue Bells Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cd.2a7657e.27c5acb2_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline Hello gang, Does anyone know of an arrangement of Blue Bells of Scotland with trombone Ê ensemble accompaniment? -Wes ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 20:37:52 -0500 From: "Roger Carmichael" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Inner tubes? Message-ID: <007d01c09c70$17414e80$4cfd183f@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anders Carlsson" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 3:04 PM Subject: Inner tubes? >trombone, is it a good idea to try to have them replated? (Especially > if new tubes cant be found any more). Who does these replatings? Correct me if I am wrong, but I am of the opinion that companies like Allied or Anderson stock all size inner slide tubes. The downside is they are expensive. I also think Anderson does replating, too. Roger Carmichael ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 20:04:09 -0600 From: "Joseph Sellmansberger" To: "trombone list" Subject: Re: Inner tubes? Message-ID: <00f601c09c73$c208c2a0$80945d0c@vogmudet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stripping all of the chrome off the old tubes is fairly easy (although slow) because it can be done with muriatic acid. However, rechromed tubes usually "s--k", because the spots that were originally worn often have become little mini-trenches (particularly after the muriatic has "worked" on them) and unsatifactory - at least aesthetically. My recommendation is to: -Don't fix what ain't too broke. or - Check the specs. of all currently-made tubes, find a good match, and spend the money. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Carmichael" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 7:37 PM Subject: Re: Inner tubes? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anders Carlsson" > To: "Trombones and related issues forum." > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 3:04 PM > Subject: Inner tubes? > > > >trombone, is it a good idea to try to have them replated? (Especially > > if new tubes cant be found any more). Who does these replatings? > > Correct me if I am wrong, but I am of the opinion that companies like Allied > or Anderson stock all size inner slide tubes. The downside is they are > expensive. I also think Anderson does replating, too. > > Roger Carmichael > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 19:58:32 -0600 From: William Dinwiddie To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <3A947248.3A018F47@mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, Steely Dan finally won the Grammy Award for Best Album (Two Against Nature). Do you suppose this happened because: 1) that wonderful trombonist Jim Pugh was in the horn section? Or, 2) the people who vote for this award finally woke up after 30 years and realized that this band is still the best darn pop/jazz/rock/music/whatever group in recent music history? Maybe its because of 1) AND 2). But for whatever reason, it's about time! Bill Dinwiddie ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:45:57 -0800 (PST) From: Sarah Lorimor To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: TMJ Message-ID: <20010222024557.38481.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Steve, With the mouth spacers, they thought that maybe grinding of the teeth was the problem, or my jaw allignment was the problem, so I had these retainer-like things I would have to wear - didn't work. With the physical therapy, they made me bite on clothespins (ow!), and do some opening and closing, and then they used cortisone with ultrasound equiptment on my jaw. This relieved some pain, but it was temporary. With the chiroptactic treatments, it was thought that my neck was misalligned with my jaw, so he tried to correct that. He also had this hammer-type thing he banged against my jaw in order to correct the allignment. Needless to say, this didn't work. With the surgery, this was a last resort, I had exhausted every other option. I had this done the day after Christmas, this past year. The disc was out of place, so they removed that. This caused the ligament to be torn and shredded so they replaced the ligament with a skin graft. Then they put a double graft between the bone and my skull so I don't eventually grind through my skull. I was in the hospital for 2 days. This seemed to be working up until a few weeks ago, when the pain returned. Again, it's the high register that is the worst. I have no more options other than sticking it out and playing, or quitting. If my playing continues to get worse, I'd say I will have to quit within the next year or two. This doesn't work since I want to be a Music Ed. major in college and teach band - so I need another way to play. Sarah ===== It's gonna take a lot of fireworks to clean up this place. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:47:24 -0600 From: "Tom Izzo" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: (no subject) Message-ID: <033701c09c82$2bd16a80$a675dfd0@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Bill, Forgive my naivetŽ, I guess, but, > Well, > Steely Dan finally won the Grammy Award for Best Album (Two Against > Nature). Do you suppose this happened because: 1) that wonderful > trombonist Jim Pugh was in the horn section? Or, 2) the people who vote > for this award finally woke up after 30 years and realized that this > band is still the best darn pop/jazz/rock/music/whatever group in recent > music history? Maybe its because of 1) AND 2). But for whatever reason, > it's about time! > Who is "Steely Dan"? Tom > Bill Dinwiddie > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:05:14 -0500 From: "Roger Carmichael" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Trombonists around the world Message-ID: <010801c09c7c$4ebc1280$4cfd183f@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0105_01C09C52.5E01C700" Can someone point me to a website that lists trombonists by country? I seem to remember stumbling across someone's webpage last year which has a listing of trombonists and short bios. Thanks, Roger ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:42:26 -0500 From: Candice & Eric Swanson To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: (no subject) Message-ID: <3A947C92.C065B33F@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Tom, you sure know how to make some of us feel old. This is a link to a page on their web site. You can listen to a few tracks from the latest CD. They are just as good today as they were 20-plus years ago. http://www.steelydan.com/newcd.html Or you can go to the grammy site and read a very wordy bio. (It does have a weird tidbit on how they came by their name.) http://www.grammy.com/nominee/profiles/10214.html Swanson's Tom Izzo wrote: > Bill, > > Forgive my naivetŽ, I guess, but, > > > Well, > > Steely Dan finally won the Grammy Award for Best Album (Two Against > > Nature). Do you suppose this happened because: 1) that wonderful > > trombonist Jim Pugh was in the horn section? Or, 2) the people who vote > > for this award finally woke up after 30 years and realized that this > > band is still the best darn pop/jazz/rock/music/whatever group in recent > > music history? Maybe its because of 1) AND 2). But for whatever reason, > > it's about time! > > > Who is "Steely Dan"? > > Tom > > > Bill Dinwiddie > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:42:45 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: jeanvaljean@ntsource.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: (no subject) Message-ID: <26.11904c95.27c5e4b5@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steely Dan and John Ford Coley (sp). My son used to try to get me to remember this probably did but faulty. A 1970's pairing of musicians that hit it big time. beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:59:53 -0500 From: "Roger Carmichael" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Steely Dan Message-ID: <013501c09c83$eafa60a0$4cfd183f@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 10:42 PM Subject: Re: (no subject) > Steely Dan and John Ford Coley (sp). > > My son used to try to get me to remember this probably did but faulty. > > A 1970's pairing of musicians that hit it big time. > > > beldon wade Nope, it was England Dan and John Ford Coley. Steely Dan is the name of the group. Walter Becker is the main man. One of the first hits in 1973 was "King of the World". Roger ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:07:11 -0500 From: "Benedikt J. Dietrich" To: "trombone-l - post message" Subject: Berklee College Jazz Festival Message-ID: <004d01c09c84$f52c2120$0302a8c0@iic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi listers, I was just wondering if any of you are going to the Berklee College Jazz Festival at the Hynes Convention Center in Boston this coming Saturday - be it as a member of a high school jazz band (like me) or as a judge. If you do, please drop me a note off-list. I hope that there will be a possibility to meet in person some of the people whose emails have helped me so much. Take care + keep practicing, Ben ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:06:15 -0500 From: "Roger Carmichael" To: Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Fw: Steely Dan Message-ID: <013c01c09c84$cf0807c0$4cfd183f@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Carmichael" To: ; "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 10:59 PM Subject: Steely Dan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Trombones and related issues forum." > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 10:42 PM > Subject: Re: (no subject) > > > > Steely Dan and John Ford Coley (sp). > > > > My son used to try to get me to remember this probably did but faulty. > > > > A 1970's pairing of musicians that hit it big time. > > > > > > beldon wade > > Nope, it was England Dan and John Ford Coley. > Steely Dan is the name of the group. Walter Becker is the main man. One of > the first hits in 1973 was "King of the World". > > Roger > Just a qualifier. England Dan and John Ford Coley were not part of Steely Dan. Roger ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:10:06 -0600 From: "Jeff Albert" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Steely Dan Message-ID: <01ad01c09c85$5701e7e0$e1d81542@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Nope, it was England Dan and John Ford Coley. > Steely Dan is the name of the group. Walter Becker is the main man. One of > the first hits in 1973 was "King of the World". > > Roger > That's funny, I always thought Donald Fagen was the main man. Which one played trombone... Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:22:12 -0500 From: "Roger Carmichael" To: "Jeff Albert" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Steely Dan Message-ID: <015a01c09c87$0910fc40$4cfd183f@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Albert" To: ; "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 11:10 PM Subject: Re: Steely Dan > > > > > Nope, it was England Dan and John Ford Coley. > > Steely Dan is the name of the group. Walter Becker is the main man. One > of > > the first hits in 1973 was "King of the World". > > > > Roger > > > > That's funny, I always thought Donald Fagen was the main man. Which one > played trombone... > > Jeff Albert Oops! You are correct! I must have been in a hurry. Fagen did most of the vocals. Becker played bass. There is a Gary Bargeron listed as a trombonist on one track on the CD I have. Roger ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:29:52 -0600 From: "bassbone" To: Subject: CBDNA Conference Message-ID: <009d01c09c88$1e5758a0$5329aec7@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009A_01C09C55.CEEBFFA0" Listers, The CBDNA Conference is going to be held at the University of North Texas on February 19-24. Three trombone soloists will perform with university bands. Scott Hartman will perform the Richard Peasley Arrows of Time with the University of Georgia Wind Symphony (Feb. 22, 4 PM). Alain Trudel will perform William Goldstein's Colloquy with the University of Calgary Wind Ensemble (Feb. 23, 1 PM). Mr. Trudel will present a masterclass on Feb. 24 at 10 am in the Recital Hall, as well.Ê Don Lucas will premiere Adam Gorb's Concertino for Trombone with the Texas Tech University Symphonic Wind Ensemble (Feb. 24, 1 PM). Go to http://www.music.unt.edu/CBDNA/Êand for more information. Josh http://www.bassbone.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 20:48:38 -0800 From: "Rod Ellard" To: "Jeff Albert" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Steely Dan Message-ID: <002701c09c8a$bac70940$3be594d1@ellard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, time sure slips away ... I expect everyone has their favourite albums, but Steely Dan's "Aja" has to be one of the best pop albums of all time. Very sophisticated tunes, arrangements, lyrics etc. Maybe a little over the head of the mainstream pop audience of the day. Also, the guitar solo in Rikki Don't Lose That Number (yes, I know it's from a different album) an absolute classic. Brings back memories. Rod "Up on the hill, they think I'm okay Or so they say ...." ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:51:56 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Steely Dan Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010221234224.01f71b88@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:59 PM 2/21/2001 -0500, Roger Carmichael wrote: Steely Dan is the name of the group. Walter Becker is the main man. One of the first hits in 1973 was "King of the World". Steely Dan is one of the great non-bands. Basically 2 guys in a studio. But really, isn't Donald Fagan the artistic force here? He writes all the songs I like. I'm surprised that Two Against Nature was a winner. Personally I thought Kamakiriad was a lot more creative. That CD also has some really nifty trombone work on "Teahouse on the Tracks". Until 2 minutes ago, I thought this was Tom Malone, but looking at the credits, it seems to be Birch Johnson. Does anybody know his bio? I see Jim Pugh did a lot of work on the other tracks. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:06:49 -0600 From: William Dinwiddie To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Steely Dan Message-ID: <3A949E69.2475993B@mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those listers who have yet to encounter the group called Steely Dan, one of the best things you can do for yourself (IMHO) is to immediately buy, borrow or steal some albums by this primo band whose recording history goes back to the late '60s. The "band" actually consists of only two superlative musicians, Donald Fagan (lead vocals and keyboards) and Walter Becker (guitar and bass). These two guys have surrounded themselves with the very best studio talent from LA and New York, and have made albums over the span of 30 years which in their creativity, production values and performance level have eclipsed every other group in the the "pop" recording field. I may get some flak for this, but I really believe that. Allow me to recommend some great albums. I am taking the numbers off of my own CDs, and cannot vouch for their current accuracy, but almost any record store will have a nice selection of their albums. You can buy virtually any album, because every one has great stuff on it. As Steely Dan "Two Against Nature", (recorded 2000), Giant 9 24719-2 (Triple Grammy Winner) "Aja", (1977), MCA MCAD 37214 "Gaucho", (1980), MCA MCAD 37220 "The Royal Scam", (1976), MCA MCAD 31193 Fagen without Becker "Kamakiriad", (1993), Reprise 9 45230-2 "The Nightfly", (1982), Warner Bros. 923696-2 Becker without Fagan "11 Tracks of Whack", (1994), Giant 9 24579-2 There are many others. I am probably completely biased at this point, but I think their music is really great, and I'm very glad to see them get the recognition from the Grammy voters that has been denied them for so long. Enjoy. Bill Dinwiddie ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:18:46 -0800 From: "Brad Howland" To: "Trombone-L" Subject: RE: Trombonists around the world Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You may be thinking of the Trombone Page of the World www.trombone-usa.com/musicd.htm Regards, Brad Howland ----------------------------------------------------------------- Trombone, Web Design, Income Tax, Brass Music "Specialization is for insects." ...Robert Heinlein E Mail: bradhowland@netzero.net or bhowland@islandnet.com Web Site: http://www.musicforbrass.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Roger Carmichael Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 7:05 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Trombonists around the world Can someone point me to a website that lists trombonists by country? I seem to remember stumbling across someone's webpage last year which has a listing of trombonists and short bios. Thanks, Roger ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 19:57:07 -0900 From: "Paul Hill" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Lyrics for "The Girl with the Flaxen Hair" Message-ID: <003a01c09c8b$ea9822c0$a4a5fea9@navak-n01n> Thanks, everyone, for your generous replies! Special thanks to Bruce Hall for conducting research which yielded the lyrics in both French and English! Best Regards, Paul ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:25:31 -0500 From: Candice & Eric Swanson Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Inner tubes? Message-ID: <3A9494BA.43E0DAB4@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roger Carmichael wrote: > Correct me if I am wrong, but I am of the opinion that companies like Allied > or Anderson stock all size inner slide tubes. The downside is they are > expensive. I also think Anderson does replating, too. > Roger, Anderson Plating only does plating. Allied has parts for many brands of instruments, but not slide tubes in every possible size, just current common models. Eric Swanson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 00:40:06 -0500 (EST) From: Beth Lewis To: posaune rex Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: ITA Competitions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I (well my mom actually) just got letter stating that James D. Williams of Juilliard won the Marsteller (with Anthony Wise as runner-up). Beth On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, posaune rex wrote: > beth et al - I heard Ward Stare won the Marstellar competition, and Tony > Wise was runner-up. > > stacy > http://remember.to/practice > > > >From: Beth Lewis > >Reply-To: ealewis@indiana.edu > >To: "Trombones and related issues forum." > >Subject: ITA Competitions > >Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 23:38:49 -0500 (EST) > > > >Hi listers, > > > >I was wondering if the word's out about the winners of ITA's competitions > >yet. I know the Remington (trombone choir) and Rosolino (jazz) > >winners have been picked, but don't know about the others yet. The > >Rosolino winner is a student (3rd yr undergrad) here at IU by the > >way--Roland Barber. A big congrats to him...he really deserves it! > > > >Any info would be appreciated... > >Beth Lewis > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:37:00 -0800 From: Andrew Michael To: Anders.Carlsson@gfs.gu.se, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Inner tubes? Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:04 PM -0800 2/21/01, Anders Carlsson wrote: >Has anyone experience with replating the inner slide tubes? A lot of >people (including myself) seem to like older american horns which seem >to be of a special quality in craftsmanship. A lot of these older horns >have plating loss on the inner tubes but if you really like the >trombone, is it a good idea to try to have them replated? (Especially >if new tubes cant be found any more). Who does these replatings? Be cautious about replating a slide, it might not need it. I have a Conn that has slight plating loss at the end of the tubes. However, it appears stable. John "The Slide Dr." Upchurch advised me that this is normal wear due to the way the tubes were drawn, that it shouldn't get worse and advised against doing anything about it. The slide in question is also quite smooth and fast despite the cosmetic wear. So, just be sure you need it before you do it. Andy ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:46:07 -0800 From: Pat and Joe Chapman To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Patience! Message-ID: <3A94C3BF.BD37711@pioneer.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just came home from the hospital after having major surgery. My surgeon has instructed me not to play my trombone for six weeks and that even includes blowing on my mouthpiece too. At this moment, I really don't feel like playing, but I can foresee my impatience as I start feeling better. I tried to explain to her that my music was an addiction but she didn't care. Oh woe is me! I hate wishing time away but......... the 26th of March can't come too soon. Blow a little extra for me, Pat ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 01:13:31 -0700 (MST) From: James Scott To: Anders Carlsson Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Inner tubes? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Anders- I've heard of a few people who have had their inner slide tubes rotated - a repairman un-solders the tubes, turns them 180 degrees (the wear is usually on the "top" of the slide), and re-solders them in their new position. That way, you can keep the same parts, and get another 20 years out of the slide. I'm pretty sure that Ron Partch, the great Toronto repairman has used this method to help out a few players with old Conns, or Mt. Vernon Bachs, etc. You might want to look into it. Jim Scott On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Anders Carlsson wrote: > > > Sitting reading mails on this list really covers most of what one might > need regarding infop on trombones but there's one thing I'm curious > about that I don't see often. > > Has anyone experience with replating the inner slide tubes? A lot of > people (including myself) seem to like older american horns which seem > to be of a special quality in craftsmanship. A lot of these older horns > have plating loss on the inner tubes but if you really like the > trombone, is it a good idea to try to have them replated? (Especially > if new tubes cant be found any more). Who does these replatings? > > /Anders Carlsson > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:23:39 -0000 From: "Steven Greenall" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Fw: ITA Competitions Message-ID: <007c01c09cc1$e8278860$ef11fea9@steve> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Winners are being announced on the ITA website later today. www.ita-web.org Thanks Steve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "posaune rex" > To: "Trombones and related issues forum." > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 10:21 PM > Subject: Re: ITA Competitions > > > > beth et al - I heard Ward Stare won the Marstellar competition, and Tony > > Wise was runner-up. > > > > stacy > > http://remember.to/practice > > > > > > >From: Beth Lewis > > >Reply-To: ealewis@indiana.edu > > >To: "Trombones and related issues forum." > > >Subject: ITA Competitions > > >Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 23:38:49 -0500 (EST) > > > > > >Hi listers, > > > > > >I was wondering if the word's out about the winners of ITA's competitions > > >yet. I know the Remington (trombone choir) and Rosolino (jazz) > > >winners have been picked, but don't know about the others yet. The > > >Rosolino winner is a student (3rd yr undergrad) here at IU by the > > >way--Roland Barber. A big congrats to him...he really deserves it! > > > > > >Any info would be appreciated... > > >Beth Lewis > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 04:59:48 -0700 From: Dave Tall To: chapman@pioneer.net, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Patience! Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010222045948.007bb720@mail.sprintmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:46 PM 02/21/2001 -0800, Pat and Joe Chapman wrote: >I just came home from the hospital after having major surgery. My >surgeon has instructed me not to play my trombone for six weeks and that >even includes blowing on my mouthpiece too. At this moment, I really >don't feel like playing, but I can foresee my impatience as I start >feeling better. I tried to explain to her that my music was an addiction >but she didn't care. Oh woe is me! I hate wishing time away but......... >the 26th of March can't come too soon. Best of luck with your recovery! This could be a great time to do a lot of listening, score/music study, and mental practice. There are many ways to become a better musician and a better trombonist other than having the horn on your face. In fact, sometimes, you can make better progress in some areas, like interpretation, WITHOUT the horn on your face. Reading a biography of a favorite composer or performer might also be a good thing. Two I read recently and enjoyed: Elisabeth Wilson's bio of Shostakovich, and "Louis Armstrong: an extravagant life". Dave Tall Bass Trombonist New Mexico Symphony ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1958--