TROMBONE-L Digest 1956 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Fw: UK car plate "Hi Trom" for sale by "Steven Greenall" 2) Re: Vision by "E. P. LUKAS" 3) Re: February Concert Series (Detroit) by "Christopher Smith" 4) Re: CSO results by Gabriel Langfur 5) Re: Vision by Gabriel Langfur 6) alto mp by TboneGib@aol.com 7) OTJ Classifieds Update, February 19, 2001 by Chris Waage 8) RE: Vision by Thomas Cox 9) RE: Vision by Chris Waage 10) RE: Lyric Audition-->New News by Peter Ellefson 11) Mahler 3 in Utah by Randy Campora 12) RE: Vision by "Aaron Roth" 13) RE: Vision by Thomas Cox 14) Re: Vision by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 15) Re: Vision by "Billy Cordova" 16) Re: Vision by "Daniel Pliskin" 17) difference Benge 165F and King 4B by "Arthur Koolen" 18) Lyrics for "The Girl with the Flaxen Hair" by "Paul Hill" 19) Re: difference Benge 165F and King 4B by "Steve Beck" 20) Re: OT-Trombonists? by "ksdowdy" 21) Re: Lyrics for "The Girl with the Flaxen Hair" by "Chuck De Paolo" 22) Re: Lyrics for "The Girl with the Flaxen Hair" by Craig Parmerlee 23) Re:Conn trombone by "Billy Cordova" 24) Re: Vision by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 25) Bass Trombone for sale by TonyC789@aol.com 26) Re: New CD - The Brass Connection by "Dean McCarty" 27) Re: from Suter by "Dave Wank" 28) Has anybody played a Besson 941? by Peter Soukup 29) Re: difference Benge 165F and King 4B by BassBonist@aol.com 30) Re: difference Benge 165F and King 4B by Beth Lewis 31) Re: difference Benge 165F and King 4B by Beth Lewis 32) Re: difference Benge 165F and King 4B by ROSEBONE@aol.com 33) RE: Has anybody played a Besson 941? by "Gary Greenhoe" 34) Bach TB300 by "Daniel Pliskin" 35) Vision revision by "Hal Starkey" 36) Re: Bach TB300 by "Lisa & Patrick Bates" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 12:49:03 -0000 From: "Steven Greenall" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Fw: UK car plate "Hi Trom" for sale Message-ID: <013d01c09a72$57057aa0$ef11fea9@steve> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any UK listers fancy a Tbone plate see below. FYI, I am not on commission :-) Thanks Steve > For sale UK vehicle number plate HI TROM, actual plate reads "H1 7ROM" > priced competitively and will include vehicle transfer process cost and no > VAT > > > Also have available > HI TUBA, actual plate reads "H17UBA", and > HI EUPH, actual plate reads "H13UPH" > > > If interested please contact Gareth on daytime tel. 020-7256-4315, or eves. > 01708-222580, or > work e-mail mailto:gjoice@lehman.com > home e-mail mailto:gareth_a1euph@hotmail.com > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 06:48:33 -0600 From: "E. P. LUKAS" To: anthony.neigh@btinternet.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Vision Message-ID: <3A911621.D8A0E2DA@bigfoot.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anthony Lees wrote: > > I am 16 and have been short sighted and wearing glasses since was about 8 or > 9 I think. I've found when I've been playing my trombone that I can't > always read the music, and it looks a bit blurred. Has anyone else had this > problem when wearing glasses for short sightedness?? Its usually when the > music is about one foot or more away from me, if it's a really clear script > Anthony, not to worry. Many of us have the same problem. Go to your optometrist, explain the problem, and ask him or her to make some music reading glasses for you. Keep them in your trombone case, so that they're always available when you need them. Problem solved! Best regards. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 13:59:52 -0000 From: "Christopher Smith" To: plbates@netrover.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: February Concert Series (Detroit) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Pat wrote: Got home and turned on the local PBS station and there they were again(minus chris, and with a different banjo player.) ++++++++ There have been SO many people down there with video cameras, this isn't surprising. And will Marcus see any money for the broadcast of his performances? Probably not. This videotape must have been done on the 10th, because that's the only gig I missed, attending J.J. Johnson's funeral in Indianapolis that day. Though I recall last week, someone gave everyone in the band a copy of a video of the previous week's performance. I hate video cameras. Chris _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 07:11:43 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: CSO results Message-ID: <20010219151143.33597.qmail@web10305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii He did got to school at New England Conservatory in there somewhere too. While in Boston, he did freelance work, probably some BSO subbing, and started teaching younger students at NEC also. (I did some research in the NEC archives). Head & shoulders above the rest of the students at the time, but a student nonetheless. And the comments about him from teachers were that he was extremely mature - AND extremely hard-working. Further, I think the most valuable thing I've learned about Mr. Herseth from reading about him is that he practices consistently, at least two hours a day, even when the orchestra is on tour, and he always makes sure to practice aspects of his playing that aren't being addressed that week in the orchestra. Still no magic! Talent + hard work + sensible, thoughtful practice habits. Gabe --- hcm wrote: > At 09:28 AM 2/18/01 -0600, Jay Heltzer wrote: > >While we are on the topic of auditions in Chicago... > >After 53 some odd years, and 4 attempts, a new Bud has been found... > >more or less. > > > It should be noted that the original Bud got the job at a very young > age, > right out of the Army. > > HM > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 07:24:25 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Vision Message-ID: <20010219152425.31889.qmail@web10307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Anthony Lees wrote: > I am 16 and have been short sighted and wearing glasses since was > about 8 or > 9 I think. I've found when I've been playing my trombone that I > can't > always read the music, and it looks a bit blurred. Anthony, I've struggled with this too. I've worn glasses for nearsightedness since I was 6! Ask your doctor if you have an astigmatism. I do, in both eyes, and they went undetected for a couple of years. Also, why not bring a music stand and some fairly small-print music with you to your appointment? Heck, bring your trombone, so your doctor can see the angle you need to read at...I think part of the problem for me has been that my peripheral vision is even worse than my stright-on vision. Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:49:54 EST From: TboneGib@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: alto mp Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bc.108bea11.27c29aa2_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline Subj: FW: mouthpiece Date: 2/18/01 5:51:55 PM Eastern Standard Time From: tisiddk@mindspring.com (Kay Fairchild) To: TBoneGib@aol.com (Tom Gibson) Hi Tom, I tried to send this to the trombone list, but it never showed up. Would you mind posting for me, for Scooter (David)?? TIA, Kay Also, I have 2 kids that are All-State players (juniors) that might be interested in majoring in music. I need to talk to you about it though. Could you give me a call? I will be in the office all week. My number is 770-938-6983. CIA -----Original Message----- From: Kay Fairchild [mailto:tisiddk@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 2:18 PM To: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: FW: mouthpiece I've got a small emergency, and I was hoping someone out there might be able to help me. I am the proud owner of a 1921 Conn alto trombone. I picked it up at a flea market, and it is in great condition. I've just had it restored, and I hope to play it on my recital in March. However, the shank size seems to be about that of a standard Bb trumpet. I put one in it, and it fits perfectly. My question is: does anyone know where I might find a mouthpiece with perhaps a Bach 7c rim and cup, and a trumpet shank? My recital is at the end of March, and I need to step on this. Please direct any responses to scootrtb@hotmail.com and Thank you. David L. Fairchild Georgia State University student _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (rly-zc01.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.1]) by air-zc01.mail.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:51:55 -0500 Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:51:24 -0500 Received: from kaybo (user-38ld7nr.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.158.251]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA29446 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:51:23 -0500 (EST) From: "Kay Fairchild" To: "Tom Gibson" Subject: FW: mouthpiece Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:53:10 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 09:57:34 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: OTJ Classifieds Update, February 19, 2001 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" The Online Trombone Journal Classifieds (http://www.trombone.org/classifieds) have been updated as of 9:56 a.m. CST on February 19, 2001 with seventeen new ads. OTJ Instrument Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/instruments.asp OTJ Accessory Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/accessories.asp OTJ Music Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/music.asp To place an ad: http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/adform.asp If you have any questions or comments about the Online Trombone Journal Classifieds, please contact me at chris@trombone.org. Chris -- ________________________________________________ Chris Waage chris@trombone.org Associate Webmaster The Online Trombone Journal http://www.trombone.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:39:30 -0500 From: Thomas Cox To: "'glangfur@yahoo.com'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Vision Message-ID: <0632CC5F67853B4D96D542BAE8AD00825E14A1@merc08.us.sas.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have similar problems when I wear my glasses, but have MUCH better results with contacts. The peripheral vision is much better, and the annoying little distortions from even slight off-axis viewing (was that a Bb or Gb above the staff?) go away entirely. I also have less eye-strain and better night-vision. YMMV, but I think the contacts are worth a shot. They've gotten much better at making contacts for astigmatism and extreme prescriptions (mine's -7.25/-7.00) in the last few years, too. Thomas W. Cox -----Original Message----- From: Gabriel Langfur [mailto:glangfur@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 10:24 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Vision --- Anthony Lees wrote: > I am 16 and have been short sighted and wearing glasses since was > about 8 or > 9 I think. I've found when I've been playing my trombone that I > can't > always read the music, and it looks a bit blurred. Anthony, I've struggled with this too. I've worn glasses for nearsightedness since I was 6! Ask your doctor if you have an astigmatism. I do, in both eyes, and they went undetected for a couple of years. Also, why not bring a music stand and some fairly small-print music with you to your appointment? Heck, bring your trombone, so your doctor can see the angle you need to read at...I think part of the problem for me has been that my peripheral vision is even worse than my stright-on vision. Gabe ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:55:02 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: RE: Vision Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" One of the best things to do when choosing glasses (if contacts aren't an option) is to go for a larger lense size. The current trend of small lenses is nice from an aesthetics point of view, but the amount of viewable area is too small. The best check is to see if you can look at the bottom of a page of music then look up at conductor without having to move your head. If you're looking through the rim of the glasses (or worse yet, above it!), you need larger lenses. Chris I have similar problems when I wear my glasses, but have MUCH better results with contacts. The peripheral vision is much better, and the annoying little distortions from even slight off-axis viewing (was that a Bb or Gb above the staff?) go away entirely. I also have less eye-strain and better night-vision. YMMV, but I think the contacts are worth a shot. They've gotten much better at making contacts for astigmatism and extreme prescriptions (mine's -7.25/-7.00) in the last few years, too. Thomas W. Cox -----Original Message----- From: Gabriel Langfur [mailto:glangfur@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 10:24 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Vision --- Anthony Lees wrote: I am 16 and have been short sighted and wearing glasses since was about 8 or 9 I think. I've found when I've been playing my trombone that I can't always read the music, and it looks a bit blurred. Anthony, I've struggled with this too. I've worn glasses for nearsightedness since I was 6! Ask your doctor if you have an astigmatism. I do, in both eyes, and they went undetected for a couple of years. Also, why not bring a music stand and some fairly small-print music with you to your appointment? Heck, bring your trombone, so your doctor can see the angle you need to read at...I think part of the problem for me has been that my peripheral vision is even worse than my stright-on vision. Gabe -- ________________________________________________ Chris Waage chris@trombone.org Associate Webmaster The Online Trombone Journal http://www.trombone.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 09:08:47 -0800 From: Peter Ellefson To: Trombone List Subject: RE: Lyric Audition-->New News Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > From: "Daniel Cloutier" > Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:12:02 -0800 > To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu > Subject: Lyric Audition-->New News > > Just thought y'all might want to know that it is possible to not win an > audition and still get the job. > > Final Audition vote results for the Lyric Audition (5-person committee): > > Mark Fisher: 4 votes (80%) > > Julliard Student (sorry, didn't get the name): 1 vote (20%) > > Who was hired? The Julliard Student, and with only 1 committee member (or 20% > of the) vote. > > The only predictable thing about auditions is that they are completely > unpredictable. > > Plus, just to balance it out, it is also possible to win an audition and not > get the job. I have personal experience in this matter. > > Sorry, my source for the Lyric vote remains anonymous and reliable. Listers, I have a copy of Lyric's 1997-2000 collective bargaining agreement and the results quoted above are within the guidelines of the contract---at least the one that expired in 2000. There are two sections of the portion on auditions that allow this. It is up to the Lyric Opera to choose, not the solely the audition committee. If this was not agreeable to musicians of Lyric, they need to facilitate change through contract negotiations. Quite often, audition committees act in advisory capacities only, leaving the actual decision to management and/or music director. I agree that auditions can be unpredictable and add that they are not necessarily an accurate indicator of how well a musician will succeed on the job. BUT, orchestras have to do SOMETHING to fill vacancies, they cannot allow everyone who is interested 6 months on the job to see how they perform. Auditions can be flawed (unless you are the one who gets the contract, then they are *perfect*). If orchestras would take the tenure process seriously, it would eliminate people who were not qualified (no matter how nice they were or if they had already purchased a home etc.) but this is the exception. Plus, the way one is required to perform to be successful at an audition is quite different from how one must perform to be successful in the actual job. Having sat on numerous audition committees, I must point out that my colleagues are not always sympathetic to this fact. They generally go for the cleanest, most accurate etc. and ignore style, excitement, experience and sometimes even musicianship. I remember Peter Norton (bass trombone in Cincinnati) telling me that audition committees want "Sears, not Gucci". One must learn how to audition to be successful. It sounds simple but I assure you it is not. The smart player knows this fact---I, however, quite often forget it in the heat of an audition. Back to Lyric: I know and have played with the fellow who won the Lyric Opera job---by whatever definition of "win" one uses. Ward Stare is an amazingly talented musician which, when combined with the first-rate teachers he has had, produced success. He is very focused has an incredible future ahead of him. Ward is a hard worker, very committed to playing well and he does---obviously. I have always considered Ward's mental age about 10 years ahead of his biological age. Don't take anything away from Ward because of some provision in Lyric's contract (and as been mentioned it is in other orchestra's contracts as well). The bottom line is that Ward has the gig and will do a terrific job, as long as he is allowed to. I hate to see the political element (not to mention the skepticism due to his age) already chipping away at his success. Give him a break and a chance. Peter Ellefson PS: I know there were other Joe Alessi students in the finals for the Lyric job. It is not coincidence that many of the recent jobs have been won by his students. Here is another plug for the Alessi seminar this coming summer. Ward Stare was a participant in the last one. There are only a few more days to get your tape in. Here's the URL: http://www.slidearea.com/Alessiseminar/seminar2001.html ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 12:20:16 -0500 From: Randy Campora To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Mahler 3 in Utah Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010219121822.0099d230@mail.telephonet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed My mother told me that she heard the Utah Symphony and Keith Lockhart perform Mahler 3 last weekend, so here is a little blurb from the Salt Lake Tribune's review: "Lockhart's assured conducting style left room for orchestra principals to characterize their solo work with highly individualized playing. This was evidenced Friday in Larry Zalkind's audaciously bold first movement trombone solo -- delivered at full volume, and with warm vibrato. " Wish I could have heard it myself. Congrats to Larry. -Randy Campora ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Randy Campora, Bass Trombonist Baltimore Symphony Orchestra Peabody Conservatory of Music campora@peabody.jhu.edu 410-461-1984 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 13:01:12 -0500 From: "Aaron Roth" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Vision Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I have similar problems when I wear my glasses, but have MUCH better results with contacts. The peripheral vision is much better, and the annoying little distortions from even slight off-axis viewing (was that a Bb or Gb above the staff?) go away entirely. I also have less eye-strain and better night-vision. YMMV, but I think the contacts are worth a shot. They've gotten much better at making contacts for astigmatism and extreme prescriptions (mine's -7.25/-7.00) in the last few years, too. Thomas W. Cox For a while, I had to wear contacts because of the differential between my eyes. Apparently, when I was a high school freshman, they couldn't make -4.25/-1.75 work in glasses where we were, so I got contacts. They were outstanding for music reading unless they got too dry, at which point they became decidedly uncomfortable until I remoistened them (the next available rest). I checked back with a new optometrist last July, and she told me glasses would be no problem. My prescription is now -4.50/-2.00, and I have glasses now so as not to deal with the constant expense of two-week wear contacts and the issue of having to clean them every night. The latter is not a problem unto itself, but I was rarely with my contact solution and a bathroom before late at night, so I had particular trouble keeping up with my cleaning. -Aaron Roth P.S. I have an astigmatism in my left eye, and they found a contact lens that dealt with it fairly effectively. Same with my glasses. They wouldn't tell me just what the nature of it was, though. I know this isn't the optometry list-serve, but this IS related to music-reading and therefore to the trombone, so: just what IS an astigmatism? Thanks for helping cure my ignorance. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 13:20:27 -0500 From: Thomas Cox To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Vision Message-ID: <0632CC5F67853B4D96D542BAE8AD00825E14A2@merc08.us.sas.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Astigmatism is distortion caused by an aspherical cornea. More info here: http://www.allaboutvision.com/conditions/astigmatism.htm I use extended wear lenses - take them out overnight once a week to clean, throw them away every month - so they are fairly low maintenance. 15 pairs (more than a years supply) is about $90, which is much cheaper than glasses. Of course, due to my prescription, I have to buy high-index lenses w/anti-glare coating. Add some reasonably sturdy frames, and that's $250+. Caveat: not every does well with contacts. My wife can't use extended wear, hates to mess with them every night, and the toric lenses for her astigmatism pushes the cost up, and her prescription is only -2.5/-2.75 (IIRC) so she just wears her glasses. - Thomas Cox -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Roth [mailto:bassrange@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 1:01 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: RE: Vision >I have similar problems when I wear my glasses, but have MUCH better >results with contacts. The peripheral vision is much better, and >the annoying little distortions from even slight off-axis viewing >(was that a Bb or Gb above the staff?) go away entirely. I also have >less eye-strain and better night-vision. > >YMMV, but I think the contacts are worth a shot. They've gotten much >better at making contacts for astigmatism and extreme prescriptions >(mine's -7.25/-7.00) in the last few years, too. > >Thomas W. Cox For a while, I had to wear contacts because of the differential between my eyes. Apparently, when I was a high school freshman, they couldn't make -4.25/-1.75 work in glasses where we were, so I got contacts. They were outstanding for music reading unless they got too dry, at which point they became decidedly uncomfortable until I remoistened them (the next available rest). I checked back with a new optometrist last July, and she told me glasses would be no problem. My prescription is now -4.50/-2.00, and I have glasses now so as not to deal with the constant expense of two-week wear contacts and the issue of having to clean them every night. The latter is not a problem unto itself, but I was rarely with my contact solution and a bathroom before late at night, so I had particular trouble keeping up with my cleaning. -Aaron Roth P.S. I have an astigmatism in my left eye, and they found a contact lens that dealt with it fairly effectively. Same with my glasses. They wouldn't tell me just what the nature of it was, though. I know this isn't the optometry list-serve, but this IS related to music-reading and therefore to the trombone, so: just what IS an astigmatism? Thanks for helping cure my ignorance. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 13:39:21 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: anthony.neigh@btinternet.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Vision Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For some time I had a pear of musician's cut glasses so I could read music at an intermediate distance. The way they cut glass (Plastic) now is such that you do not have enough material to look through 3mm or so. So I went to the drugstore taking along a piece of music and looked at the music at the appropriate distance and tried the $7.99 reading glasses until I found the right one. If your Optomitrist is a musician perhaps they will be able to get your glasses prepared with a musicians cut or a complete lens for music reading at the appropriate distance that you will be reading the music. Good luck. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 12:27:12 -0600 From: "Billy Cordova" To: Cc: "Trombone-L" Subject: Re: Vision Message-ID: <004101c09aa1$94754760$18294c42@tyler.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aaron, The best way I can describe it without getting technical is that an astigmatism is an unevenness in the lens of the eye, at least that's my understanding of the term. This cause the lens of the eye to focus unevenly i.e when looking at a page, parts may be in focus and other parts not. Billy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Roth" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 12:01 PM Subject: RE: Vision > >I have similar problems when I wear my glasses, but have MUCH better > >results with contacts. The peripheral vision is much better, and > >the annoying little distortions from even slight off-axis viewing > >(was that a Bb or Gb above the staff?) go away entirely. I also have > >less eye-strain and better night-vision. > > > >YMMV, but I think the contacts are worth a shot. They've gotten much > >better at making contacts for astigmatism and extreme prescriptions > >(mine's -7.25/-7.00) in the last few years, too. > > > >Thomas W. Cox > > For a while, I had to wear contacts because of the differential between my > eyes. Apparently, when I was a high school freshman, they couldn't make > -4.25/-1.75 work in glasses where we were, so I got contacts. They were > outstanding for music reading unless they got too dry, at which point they > became decidedly uncomfortable until I remoistened them (the next available > rest). I checked back with a new optometrist last July, and she told me > glasses would be no problem. My prescription is now -4.50/-2.00, and I have > glasses now so as not to deal with the constant expense of two-week wear > contacts and the issue of having to clean them every night. The latter is > not a problem unto itself, but I was rarely with my contact solution and a > bathroom before late at night, so I had particular trouble keeping up with > my cleaning. > -Aaron Roth > P.S. I have an astigmatism in my left eye, and they found a contact lens > that dealt with it fairly effectively. Same with my glasses. They wouldn't > tell me just what the nature of it was, though. I know this isn't the > optometry list-serve, but this IS related to music-reading and therefore to > the trombone, so: just what IS an astigmatism? Thanks for helping cure my > ignorance. > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:33:01 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Vision Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html First, Iād like to comment on your terminology. Short-sighted is a term usually reserved for those that havenāt planned ahead. Near sighted is a term for people that need glasses. I wear reading glasses. What Iāve found is that the optometrist gives you a prescription for reading, from a distance that youād use for reading a book. Thatās a different distance than youād use for reading a computer monitor or for reading music. As such, I wear weaker reading glasses when using the computer and when reading music than I do when reading a book or magazine. DanP >From: "Anthony Lees" >Reply-To: anthony.neigh@btinternet.com >To: "Trombones and related issues forum." >Subject: Vision >Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 09:08:01 -0000 > >I am 16 and have been short sighted and wearing glasses since was about 8 or >9 I think. I've found when I've been playing my trombone that I can't >always read the music, and it looks a bit blurred. Has anyone else had this >problem when wearing glasses for short sightedness?? Its usually when the >music is about one foot or more away from me, if it's a really clear script >then there isn't usually too much problem. I know I'm not becoming long >sighted, so that isn't the problem. I'm seeing my optician on Wednesday but >anyone who has some helpful suggestions would be gratefully appreciated, as >my sight reading isn't great anyway!! :) > >Anthony > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 21:09:21 +0100 From: "Arthur Koolen" To: Subject: difference Benge 165F and King 4B Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello list, what is the difference between a Benge 165F and a King 4B? I can buy a used Benge 165F or a used King 4B for the same price. What shall I do? Greetings. Arthur ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:34:21 -0900 From: "Paul Hill" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Lyrics for "The Girl with the Flaxen Hair" Message-ID: <000e01c09ab3$5a57c960$3d46fea9@navak-n01n> BoneHeads, Does anyone have the lyrics to "La Fille aux Cheveux de lin" (Debussy)? I have looked high and low (internet) and only found the year of composition...the lyrics to OTHER songs (and song cycles) but not to this one. I am playing this piece for our Spring Symphony Showcase (with two other pieces) and would like some meaningful program notes. Lyrics in French and English would be appreciated but if only English, that would be great! Thanks a Bunch! Paul ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 16:13:22 -0500 From: "Steve Beck" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: difference Benge 165F and King 4B Message-ID: <003d01c09ab8$cc497500$16070c23@cl.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Buy the one you sound best on - period. The King 4B is a true "pro" horn while the Benge is considered slightly less than that, the Benge 190 being the "pro" model. That aside, I found the Benge 165 to play about as nice as any horn in that bore size. I think it compares nicely to the Conn 88H and the Bach 42 for instance. Everything aside, if you really can't differentiate between the sound, and both horns are in about the same condition, I would not pay as much for the Benge simply because it lists for less. -Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Koolen" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 3:09 PM Subject: difference Benge 165F and King 4B > Hello list, > > what is the difference between a Benge 165F and a King 4B? > > I can buy a used Benge 165F or a used King 4B for the same price. > > What shall I do? > > Greetings. > > Arthur > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:25:37 -0600 From: "ksdowdy" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: OT-Trombonists? Message-ID: <005201c09aba$8dfdf800$841d0f3f@m2y9x8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim, There was a recording of the Les Elgart Band that was produced by Enoch Light on the Project 3 label. If this is the recording that you are talking about, I would bet very heavily that Urbie Green is playing the trombone. Do you have the album title? KSD ----- Original Message ----- From: jim seaman To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 12:49 AM Subject: OT-Trombonists? > I know I've asked before but without any answers so here goes again. > Anyone know if Urbie Green ever recorded with the Les Elgart band? > (specifically the tbn solo on the Volgaboatman) > or perhaps someone knows who recorded this solo.Eh! (Canadian spelling) > > Just heard trombonist Tom McIntosh solo on a Johnny Richards album. > Anyone have any info on other recordings on which he could be found or > information on his tbn. career? > > jim > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 16:36:47 -0500 From: "Chuck De Paolo" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Re: Lyrics for "The Girl with the Flaxen Hair" Message-ID: <030201c09abc$0ff35bb0$0200a8c0@ws2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are no lyrics as far as I know. It is original for piano solo. (please quote this message if you reply) In Music, ---Chuck General Manager & Webmaster Hickey's Music Center 104 Adams Street Ithaca, NY 14850 607.272.8262 (Phone) 607.272.2203 (Fax) chuck@hickeys.com (E-Mail) http://www.hickeys.com (Website) http://www.weather.com/weather/us/zips/14850.html (Weather) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hill" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 3:34 PM Subject: Lyrics for "The Girl with the Flaxen Hair" > BoneHeads, > > Does anyone have the lyrics to "La Fille aux Cheveux de lin" (Debussy)? > > I have looked high and low (internet) and only found the year of > composition...the lyrics to OTHER songs (and song cycles) but not to this > one. > > I am playing this piece for our Spring Symphony Showcase (with two other > pieces) and would like some meaningful program notes. > > Lyrics in French and English would be appreciated but if only English, that > would be great! > > Thanks a Bunch! > Paul > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:19:32 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Lyrics for "The Girl with the Flaxen Hair" Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010219171534.01e6f600@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:36 PM 2/19/2001 -0500, Chuck De Paolo wrote: There are no lyrics as far as I know. It is original for piano solo. As I recall, the first verse went something like: The girl who frolicked in the open air with nothing but her body bare Quite a treat? Au Contraire! She was covered by that flaxen hair. Sorry I can't remember the rest of it. Strange that the original French version doesn't rhyme so well. Craig ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:07:19 -0600 From: "Billy Cordova" To: "Trombone-L" Subject: Re:Conn trombone Message-ID: <002301c09ac8$b6e3e820$18294c42@tyler.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Charlie, My computer crashed and I lost my address book and your mailing address. If you haven't sold the horn yet please e-mail me the info again. Thanks I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it - Voltaire St. Cecelia, pray for us. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:50:39 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: jeanvaljean@ntsource.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Vision Message-ID: <40.7a68c45.27c30b4f@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Up here in the Nawth fruit is quite expensive. So were the pear glasses with the trifocal with the musicians cut. UgH!!!! Grandaughter No 3 has some tropicalfruity sun glasses too. beldon ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:52:04 EST From: TonyC789@aol.com To: brass@quartz.gly.fsu.edu, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu, TubaEuph@onelist.com, dhboykin@sirius.com, Cbudisch@ups.edu, Subject: Bass Trombone for sale Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Edwards - Duo bore, Gold brass 9 1/2" bell, annealed, wire rim, large throat. 2 Thayers, 3 lead pipes. Extra pipes so instrument can play with one, two or no valves. $2500 firm. Tony Clements ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:37:16 -0600 From: "Dean McCarty" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: New CD - The Brass Connection Message-ID: <002201c09acc$e657e620$4ac12bcf@compaqcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an outstanding recording... most of the arrangements from this are available from Walrus Pub. I wasn't aware this recording had gone out of print. I've had my c.d. for about 8 years. Dean McCarty freelance trombonist, Houston area ----- Original Message ----- From: Brad Howland To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 6:08 PM Subject: New CD - The Brass Connection > Hi all, > > There is a new CD available at Lassus Publications: The Brass Connection, A > Five Star Edition. > > "Headlining four of the greatest trombonists in the world, A Five Star > Edition also features the apotheosis of the swinging and lyrical sound of > The Brass Connection. This is their third album, and it's aimed at > delivering some of the best jazz in the business." > > With Carl Fontana, Ian McDougall, Bill Watrous, and Jiggs Whigham. > > To hear Real Audio clips of all four players go to: > http://www.musicforbrass.com/brasscds.shtml > > Regards, > Brad Howland > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Trombone, Web Design, Income Tax, Brass Music > "Specialization is for insects." ...Robert Heinlein > E Mail: bradhowland@netzero.net or bhowland@islandnet.com > Web Site: http://www.musicforbrass.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:34:33 -0500 From: "Dave Wank" To: "Trombone-L" , Subject: Re: from Suter Message-ID: <002401c09ad4$e83b0460$a598fea9@computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIke, Thank you very much for taking the time to reply. I'm glad to hear you ae getting back in the swing of things. Trombania was terrific. I hope you can knock out a follow-up. By the way, around '92 - '93 did you attend an alumni band to-do at WMU? If so, I was the guy with the saxhorn. Again, thanks for the reply. Dave (WMU '57) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:42:05 -0600 From: Peter Soukup To: Trombone-L List Subject: Has anybody played a Besson 941? Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Rose brass bell, 3 lead pipes, .500 bore. Anybody got any comments? Yes, I am contemplating one, for big band, rock, lead kinds of work... Pete Soukup psoukup@mindspring.com Grand Avenue Big Band The Moonlighters The Houndz St. Andrew's Brass Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble DuPage Symphony Orchestra (alternate) West Suburban Symphony (alternate) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:46:15 EST From: BassBonist@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: difference Benge 165F and King 4B Message-ID: <47.7a2d325.27c31857@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_47.7a2d325.27c31857_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline Arthur writes: << what is the difference between a Benge 165F and a King 4B? >> ŹŹŹŹŹŹŹŹ << I can buy a used Benge 165F or a used King 4B for the same price. >> Second part first: get the one that you sound best on. First part: I think that the major difference is that the Benge has a red or gold brass bell (more copper in the mix). Again, pick the horn that plays and sounds the best for you. They are both good instruments. Matt Varho Bass Trombonist Aliso Viejo Symphony ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 20:05:58 -0500 (EST) From: Beth Lewis To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: difference Benge 165F and King 4B Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Actually, my King 4B (and others I've seen) had a gold brass bell as well. These two instruments are made in the same factory by the same people (to my knowledge), quite possibly with the same parts! (this is a "recent development"...pre-UMI instruments may be more unique) I've never played a Benge 165F (that's the .547 one right?), but from comparing one with a 4B visually, the King's slide is angled down slightly whereas the Benge's forms almost a straight line with the gooseneck. I think the only thing that affects is that if you're a "downstream" player, i.e. usually your horn points to the ground when you play, the King may help compensate a little because the bell points up more (my Shires is like that to a more extreme degree...hmm...). The Benge's f-attachment's wrap looks a little different, but not significantly. Other than those two things they look exactly the same! So try to actually play the instruments and compare how they sound if you can. Good luck, Beth Lewis On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 BassBonist@aol.com wrote: > Arthur writes: > > << what is the difference between a Benge 165F and a King 4B? >> > > << I can buy a used Benge 165F or a used King 4B for the same price. >> > > Second part first: get the one that you sound best on. > > First part: I think that the major difference is that the Benge has a red or > gold brass bell (more copper in the mix). > > Again, pick the horn that plays and sounds the best for you. They are both > good instruments. > > Matt Varho > Bass Trombonist > Aliso Viejo Symphony > > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 20:17:31 -0500 (EST) From: Beth Lewis To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: difference Benge 165F and King 4B Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Something else just came to mind...the Benge seems to have yellow brass slide tubes whereas the King's is nickel silver. And Steve's right--the 165 is intermediate (the 190 is the pro version). Also, the King's bell is 1/8" larger (8 5/8") I believe. Beth On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Beth Lewis wrote: > Actually, my King 4B (and others I've seen) had a gold brass bell as well. > These two instruments are made in the same factory by the same people (to > my knowledge), quite possibly with the same parts! (this is a "recent > development"...pre-UMI instruments may be more unique) I've never played > a Benge 165F (that's the .547 one right?), but from comparing one with a > 4B visually, the King's slide is angled down slightly whereas the Benge's > forms almost a straight line with the gooseneck. I think the only thing > that affects is that if you're a "downstream" player, i.e. usually your > horn points to the ground when you play, the King may help compensate a > little because the bell points up more (my Shires is like that to a more > extreme degree...hmm...). The Benge's f-attachment's wrap looks a little > different, but not significantly. Other than those two things they look > exactly the same! So try to actually play the instruments and compare how > they sound if you can. > > Good luck, > Beth Lewis > On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 BassBonist@aol.com wrote: > > > Arthur writes: > > > > << what is the difference between a Benge 165F and a King 4B? >> > > > > << I can buy a used Benge 165F or a used King 4B for the same price. >> > > > > Second part first: get the one that you sound best on. > > > > First part: I think that the major difference is that the Benge has a red or > > gold brass bell (more copper in the mix). > > > > Again, pick the horn that plays and sounds the best for you. They are both > > good instruments. > > > > Matt Varho > > Bass Trombonist > > Aliso Viejo Symphony > > > > > > > > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 20:53:22 EST From: ROSEBONE@aol.com To: ealewis@indiana.edu, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: difference Benge 165F and King 4B Message-ID: <36.12463c08.27c32812@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/19/01 7:18:16 PM, ealewis@indiana.edu writes: << Actually, my King 4B (and others I've seen) had a gold brass bell as well. >> King used just a plain brass for the bell - King's laquer was a very unique gold-colored laquer - as can be seen on older Kings that the laquer has begun to strip off.... Bill Rose McNeese State Univ. Lake Charles, LA rosebone@aol.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 21:28:52 -0600 From: "Gary Greenhoe" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." , Subject: RE: Has anybody played a Besson 941? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Pete, Before you buy...you owe it to yourself to try the K&H 1/2 bore horn for a comparison. George Foster in Libertyville should have one of this in stock for you to try. His email is: gfoster@dsl.telocity.com Since you are close, it's certainly worth a blow. Regards, Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Peter Soukup Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 6:42 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Has anybody played a Besson 941? Rose brass bell, 3 lead pipes, .500 bore. Anybody got any comments? Yes, I am contemplating one, for big band, rock, lead kinds of work... Pete Soukup psoukup@mindspring.com Grand Avenue Big Band The Moonlighters The Houndz St. Andrew's Brass Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble DuPage Symphony Orchestra (alternate) West Suburban Symphony (alternate) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 05:43:29 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Bach TB300 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I spend a bit of time, today, fixing up a "junk" Bach TB300 trombone. It appears that the snap that holds the slide, came loose and the slide repeatedly smashed the bell. Itās not the first trombone Iāve seen with what looked like repeated dents in the bell, all in the same place, so that mysteryās been solved, for me. So, all of you that want a Bach TB300 for marching band, just keep on carrying your good Bach TB300 around, after the snap comes off, that holds the slide in place. On another note, I was surprised to find that this trombone, a 0.500" bore with an 8" bell, didnāt stop blaring until I finally went to a drilled out Bach 5 mouthpiece. I just couldnāt get a dark sound out of it, no matter how much upper lip I put into the mouthpiece. In contrast, I can get a very pleasant, dark sound out of my 0.485" bore, 7" bell Buescher, with an 11C. Can this difference be entirely how thick the metal is? Itās hard to compare them, in that my Bueschers arenāt lacquered, but could it be that Bach chose a yellow brass, specifically for itās blaring sound? Does anyone have an idea or even a lore about what difference round vs. somewhat truncated crooks make to the sound? Inquiring minds want to know. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 00:07:55 -0600 From: "Hal Starkey" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Vision revision Message-ID: <003901c09b03$7769bf40$0c381b41@KSCABLE.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I said- > > And > > what is a 16 year old doing up after 3AM? And Adrian said > As Anthony has a BT Internet account, I would presume he is corresponding > from the Old World. It's already 10 am here. In any case, posting at this > time assures you get a European reply before America wakes up ;-) And I now say- Whoops! I never knew what a BT Internet account was. It is a holiday here though. I don't suppose too many Old World countries celebrated President's Day today. Queen's Day, maybe? Hal ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 06:03:32 -0500 From: "Lisa & Patrick Bates" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Bach TB300 Message-ID: <000401c09b2c$c4946620$c2885fd8@plbates> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't know what causes it, just know that I don't think a whole lot of that horn! I had one for about six months,and just couldn't get a sound out of it that I really liked. My guess is that for some reason the harmonics that you normally get with a lot if horns just aren't the same in this one. I have an old small dual bore York(silver plate, gold wash, matte finish) that I picked up to replace the Bach, and, while it doesn't have that edge you were talking about, it has all kinds of body to the sound, and really cuts through the crowd. I also played a King 606 that one of the students had, and thought it was twice the horn my 300 was. Just a 'way nicer sound! Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Pliskin To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 5:43 AM Subject: Bach TB300 > > I spend a bit of time, today, fixing up a "junk" Bach TB300 trombone. It > appears that the snap that holds the slide, came loose and the slide > repeatedly smashed the bell. It's not the first trombone I've seen with what > looked like repeated dents in the bell, all in the same place, so that > mystery's been solved, for me. > > So, all of you that want a Bach TB300 for marching band, just keep on > carrying your good Bach TB300 around, after the snap comes off, that holds > the slide in place. > On another note, I was surprised to find that this trombone, a 0.500" bore > with an 8" bell, didn't stop blaring until I finally went to a drilled out > Bach 5 mouthpiece. I just couldn't get a dark sound out of it, no matter how > much upper lip I put into the mouthpiece. In contrast, I can get a very > pleasant, dark sound out of my 0.485" bore, 7" bell Buescher, with an 11C. > > Can this difference be entirely how thick the metal is? It's hard to compare > them, in that my Bueschers aren't lacquered, but could it be that Bach chose > a yellow brass, specifically for it's blaring sound? Does anyone have an > idea or even a lore about what difference round vs. somewhat truncated > crooks make to the sound? > > Inquiring minds want to know. > > DanP > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1956--