TROMBONE-L Digest 1952 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Mouthpiece search by Dave Molter 2) RE: Mouthpiece search by "Richardson, Tim" 3) Re: JJ horn on Ebay by Earl Needham 4) Re: JJ horn on Ebay by "Christopher Smith" 5) Re: JJ horn on Ebay by Craig Parmerlee 6) Leopold Mozart by "Chuck De Paolo" 7) Re: JJ horn on Ebay by Earl Needham 8) Re: Come on Adrian! by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 9) Re: JJ horn on Ebay by "Art Triggs" 10) Re: JJ horn on Ebay by Gabriel Langfur 11) Re: Come on Adrian! by Derrick Parker 12) Re: JJ horn on Ebay by "Rod Ellard" 13) Anna Kournikova Virus by BarryMcCom@aol.com 14) Re: JJ horn on Ebay by "E. P. LUKAS" 15) JJ Johnston by "Neal Schermerhorn" 16) FOR SALE by "Jerry Hou" 17) Clarification about the virus by BarryMcCom@aol.com 18) Music for sale by "Jerry Hou" 19) RE: Clarification about the virus by Thomas Cox 20) Performance wired/wireless microphones by Mike Schultz 21) Re: Goodbye Pork Pie Hat/Gary Valente etc... by sabutin@mindspring.com 22) Re: Ear plugs, was Sound Shields by Craig Parmerlee 23) Re: JJ horn on Ebay - shill bidder by Craig Parmerlee 24) questions on parts by PyroGuy211@aol.com 25) RE: Mouthpiece search by "Daniel Pliskin" 26) Re: JJ horn on Ebay by "Hal Starkey" 27) jj horn on ebay, contacting the seller- by PyroGuy211@aol.com 28) Re: JJ horn on Ebay - shill bidder by "Aaron Roth" 29) Re: JJ horn on Ebay by "Paul D. Kemp Jr." 30) RE: Come on Adrian! by "Anthony Lees" 31) Re: Come on Adrian! by "Adrian Drover" 32) Re: JJ horn on Ebay by Michael Shoshani 33) RE: JJ horn on Ebay by "cobalt321" 34) Re: JJ horn on Ebay by Michael Shoshani 35) Re: JJ horn on Ebay by "Daniel Pliskin" 36) Re: JJ horn on Ebay - shill bidder by Craig Parmerlee 37) Re: JJ horn on Ebay - shill bidder by "Daniel Pliskin" 38) J.J. Johnson horn on Ebay by "Dean McCarty" 39) Re: JJ horn on Ebay - shill bidder by Candice & Eric Swanson 40) Re: questions on parts by Candice & Eric Swanson 41) Re: Performance wired/wireless microphones by "Jeff Albert" 42) Bidder on J.J. Horn by "John Clark" 43) Brass Quintet With Orchestra by Antonio Henrique Seixas 44) Tomasi Concerto in Baltimore by Randy Campora 45) Garrison Keillor gig by "Gary Greenhoe" 46) Handel Oboe Concerto in F minor and Richard Monaco Second Sonata by "Bart Roberts" 47) Adrian and his band by "E. P. LUKAS" 48) Re: JJ horn on Ebay by "Adrian Drover" 49) Re: Adrian and his band by "Adrian Drover" 50) Re: Handel Oboe Concerto in F minor and Richard Monaco Second Sonata by Earl Needham 51) Re: Handel Oboe Concerto in F minor and Richard Monaco Second Sonata by "Paul D. Kemp Jr." 52) Re: JJ horn on Ebay by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 53) Re: Adrian and his band by "Gary D. Maxwell" 54) Re: JJ horn on Ebay by Earl Needham 55) Re: Handel Oboe Concerto in F minor and Richard Monaco Second Sonata by Earl Needham 56) $10,000 Trombones by "Gary D. Maxwell" 57) Re: JJ horn on Ebay by Candice & Eric Swanson 58) A joke by "Joshua A. Sticklor-Lipson" 59) Re: A joke by "Gary D. Maxwell" 60) Fwd: Early March availability for teaching along the East Coast (say S. New Jersey through N. Carolina?) by sabutin@mindspring.com 61) Re: [JJ-LIST] Re: JJ horn on Ebay by "Christopher Smith" 62) Possible clinic tours by sabutin@mindspring.com 63) Re: A joke by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 64) Re: A joke by "Nanette L. Kappus" 65) Re: JJ horn on Ebay - shill bidder by "Tom Izzo" 66) Re: JJ horn on Ebay - shill bidder by "Hal Starkey" 67) Re: JJ horn on Ebay - shill bidder by "Tom Izzo" 68) J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J. by "Joseph Sellmansberger" 69) Duquesne University Info? by "Corey Cowart" 70) Re: J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J. by "Adrian Drover" 71) Re: JJ horn on Ebay - shill bidder by "Adrian Drover" 72) Pledge was Re: J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J. by "Jeff Albert" 73) Even MORE clinic availability, around May 15-30th, NY through Atlanta area by sabutin@mindspring.com 74) Re: J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J. by "Daniel Pliskin" 75) My CD available through my site. by Neobopr@aol.com 76) Re: JJ horn on Ebay by "Adrian Drover" 77) Re: JJ horn on Ebay by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 78) Re: J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J. by Craig Parmerlee 79) Re: J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J. by Chris Waage 80) 6 valve trombone by "Jen and Andy Walls" 81) RE:Tarnish (was J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.) by "Andrew Elms" 82) Re: J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J. by "Gary D. Maxwell" 83) Attn: L.A. area 'bone fans by "Les Benedict" 84) Re: J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J. by Candice & Eric Swanson 85) Re: Valve trombone - BOSTON brand. by TRBNTERRY@webtv.net (TRBNTERRY) 86) Grunt bass bone by jimandcat@juno.com 87) West Side Story (Peress) needed!!!!! HELP!!! by "R Miller" 88) Re: J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J. by "Adrian Drover" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 07:30:19 -0500 From: Dave Molter To: norm.carpenter@getronics.com, trombone-L Subject: Mouthpiece search Message-ID: <3A8928DC.750E65A3@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Norm Carpenter wrote: << I've been playing a Bach 12C in my King 3B SS for about 4 years now. This is the mouthpiece I used in College. After a 14 year hiatus from the horn I just picked up where I left off, using the same mouthpiece that I used that long ago. ... "Should I just buy the same mouthpiece, or do a search for a new one". >> Mouthpiece choice is a highly individual activity as all our listers will tell you. The 12C is a fine mouthpiece that for years was the standard equipment with student trombones and also widely used by many pros. Many people will tell you its a sissy piece or a piece for kids. Don't listen to them. As for whether the 12C is the right choice for you, there are several things to consider: 1. What styles do you play now or want to play? 2. How is your "low" range, say below D in the staff? Does the 12C allow you flexibility when passing from above the staff to within it? 3. Do you get a "round" sound throughout the range of the horn? Is it pinched on low notes? Speaking for myself, the 12C quickly became restrictive after I started playing again after a 20-year-layoff. At my teacher's suggestion, I switched to a Bach 11C and found it to be an immediate improvement. It is not much larger than the 12C, but it feels more comfortable and improved my flexibility quite a bit. That said, I will tell you that I now use a Doug Elliott LT 99 rim with a D cup for my King 3B. This equates to about a Bach 6 3/4 rim with a slightly deeper cup. I find that this combination allows me great flexibility on the King and also on my Bach 36. As for your playing sharp up high, this is a common problem and a bigger piece probably will help that. Make sure, however, that you're using air correctly, etc. Even one lesson with a pro will do wonders in this area. It took my teacher hearing me play literally only a few notes to make a suggestion when I began taking lessons again. That was two years ago and I'm still taking them weekly. Recommendations? My first would be to get a Doug Elliott system. In my experience, Doug will make a recommendation that will be right on the money based on your equipment, style and needs. It will, however, take about 6 weeks to get the piece and it will cost about $160. That is a bargain, though, when you consider that if you buy and hate five stock mouthpieces, you've spent more than that. Only a couple of recommendations if you're dealing with stock pieces: Bach 11C, Bach 7C. I've tried all the Bach 6 1/2 combinations and never been able to make them work. That doesn't mean they won't work for you, though. Anything larger than a 7C on the 3B is not a good match for the horn in my opinion Dave Molter Pittsburgh, PA ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 07:55:51 -0500 From: "Richardson, Tim" To: "'Daniel Pliskin'" , trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Mouthpiece search Message-ID: <21E592FA8BA7D311B5B100062B001FE206F12B1F@LEE2> Everytime I see that someone on the list has done the following, I want to know if they have read the section in Benade on drilling out a mouthpiece until, and only until, the tuning changes in the overtones. (and if it is going the wrong direction you have to plate instead of drilling.) Benade's theory was to match the mouthpiece to the horn (and he thought if you matched the pop pitch and cup volume L, and tweaked the bore as I've mentioned, you wouldn't do any better with expensive 'pieces.) Of course Benade's theory on what to gain by a mouthpiece improvement would seem to be much different than many listers's. (but closer to Monette's.) yours, Tim Richardson > -----Original Message----- > > I?ve drilled out the aperture of one of the 47s that I have, so that the > tone doesn?t break up so quickly. It?s significantly more versatile, as > a > result. > > DanP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 07:19:24 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Cc: jjlist@egroups.com Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010213071741.00a23ef0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:15 PM 2/12/01 -0600, R Miller blasted the following out into the ether: Has anybody else seen this? I'm not sure wether it's the timing of this auction, or the asking price that is making me ill, but I feel ill. Ryan Miller Chicago, IL http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1409387122 I just wonder -- Is this the way JJ signed letters (picture at the site)? When does serial number 583416 date to? It's too bad they didn't include the date of the letter they have. Finally, I think this is in EXTREMELY poor taste. Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446m W103d 12.700m (or so) Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, you breathe...) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:42:36 -0000 From: "Christopher Smith" To: KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Earl wrote: I just wonder -- Is this the way JJ signed letters (picture at the site)? ++++++++++ Yes, it looks like his signature. One thing about this is that J.J. rarely played a 2B bell, finding it a bit small for his tastes. He preferred a 3B or 4B bell on a smaller slide. Finally, I think this is in EXTREMELY poor taste. Earl +++++++++++ I agree. I find it completely appalling, and will email the seller, telling them so. Chris www.geocities.com/bourbonstreet/2418 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 11:15:16 -0400 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010213110145.01c04748@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:42 PM 02/13/2001 +0000, Christopher Smith wrote: Finally, I think this is in EXTREMELY poor taste. Earl +++++++++++ I agree. I find it completely appalling, and will email the seller, telling them so. Why? Is it any different than a boxed set of Mel Torme CDs being rushed to market within a week of his death? I don't see any difference. If the horn is authentic, why shouldn't he offer it at the point there is some attention on it? At $10,000, I dare say there will be no takers. But if it were offered at a reasonable price, there might be some folks who would really appreciate the opportunity to have a treasure like this. I don't see the big deal here, other than the absurd price tag. For those who think it is unethical, please explain why we should not also have a 2 week moratorium on the sale of JJ CDs. My 2 cents. Craig ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:18:44 -0500 From: "Chuck De Paolo" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Leopold Mozart Message-ID: <009601c095d0$410f1ea0$0200a8c0@ws2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had to laugh. I was corresponding with a customer about the Leopold Mozart Concertino/Concerto [same work, see below] when I came across a quote of Herr Mozart's in the liner notes of the Paul Angerer edition: "In the absence of a good trombonist, a good violinist can play it on the viola." Ouch! The viola. Could you imagine the same being said about the Grondahl, or the Berio! Anyway - apparently El Mozart did not write this piece as a "Concertino" at all. Instead, he wrote a nine movement Serenade in 1755 for a variety of soloists with orchestral accompaniment, three of the movements of which (6, 7 & 8) are intended for the [alto] trombone. In an edition that Sam Adler created, he added one of the other movements originally intended for the trumpet to the beginning of the set, to form a traditional four movement work. Adler's edition is entitled "Concerto" whereas Angerer's is "Concertino." Anyway, I thought it was interesting. Thanks to Brian French for bringing this to my attention. (please quote this message if you reply) In Music, ---Chuck General Manager & Webmaster Hickey's Music Center 104 Adams Street Ithaca, NY 14850 607.272.8262 (Phone) 607.272.2203 (Fax) chuck@hickeys.com (E-Mail) http://www.hickeys.com (Website) http://www.weather.com/weather/us/zips/14850.html (Weather) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:15:21 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010213080943.00aba340@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:15 AM 2/13/01 -0400, Craig Parmerlee blasted the following out into the ether: At 02:42 PM 02/13/2001 +0000, Christopher Smith wrote: Finally, I think this is in EXTREMELY poor taste. Earl +++++++++++ I agree. I find it completely appalling, and will email the seller, telling them so. Why? It makes me wonder just how long this guy has had this horn sitting in a closet or somewhere, just HOPING for -- this. Is it any different than a boxed set of Mel Torme CDs being rushed to market within a week of his death? I don't see any difference. Well, there is a bit of a difference, specifically that eBay is an auction where the price can go anywhere. I think this guy is trying to play on people's emotions and hoping to get his house paid for. Or something. I don't like the Mel Torme situation, either, for that matter. But if I understand correctly, at least the price is set, not subject to change, and probably not going to go through the roof because of people's grief. If the horn is authentic, why shouldn't he offer it at the point there is some attention on it? Same reason O.J. Simpson collectors card disappeared for a while. Good taste, I think. At $10,000, I dare say there will be no takers. But if it were offered at a reasonable price, there might be some folks who would really appreciate the opportunity to have a treasure like this. I don't see the big deal here, other than the absurd price tag. For those who think it is unethical, please explain why we should not also have a 2 week moratorium on the sale of JJ CDs. Seems to me that, as long as the price is FIXED, and not on an auction, it might be OK. But again, that's just my opinion. Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446m W103d 12.700m (or so) Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, you breathe...) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:21:12 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: DerrickParker@compuserve.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Come on Adrian! Message-ID: <92.10459a37.27baaae8@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Next week on Tuesday??? beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:22:15 EDT From: "Art Triggs" To: "Earl Needham Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay Message-ID: <3a895127.51ec.0@bestweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Like everyone else on the list I was deeply saddened by JJ's passing, it makes this ebay auction offensive to me at best, but even without that, I do not belive that this 2b is all that old, as I recall, the late 60's - early 70's 2b's had different engraving,(much better quality) and the inside of the case was constructed differently, also, the last time I saw JJ in a concert (loooong time ago) he had a 3-b, don't know what he preferred though. This is really tasteless, the inflated price and suspect certificate makes it just that much worse. I hope that no one buys it for any price. Just my .02 Art Triggs >At 11:15 PM 2/12/01 -0600, R Miller blasted the following out into the ether: >>Has anybody else seen this? I'm not sure wether it's the timing of this >>auction, or the asking price that is making me ill, but I feel ill. >> >>Ryan Miller >>Chicago, IL >> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1409387122 > > I just wonder -- > > Is this the way JJ signed letters (picture at the site)? > > When does serial number 583416 date to? > > It's too bad they didn't include the date of the letter they have. > > Finally, I think this is in EXTREMELY poor taste. > > Earl > > >Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG >Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446m W103d 12.700m (or so) > >Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, >you breathe...) > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:10:42 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay Message-ID: <20010213161042.27968.qmail@web10313.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Craig Parmerlee wrote: > Why? I'll join Craig in playing devil's advocate a little bit. Like it or not, the only real way we have of assigning worth to things in our society is by assigning a monetary value to them. Of course, somebody is taking an opportunistic stance, striking while the iron is hot to get the most money for this trombone, but he/she probably bought it for more than it was worth at the time because it had that authentication. And probably considered it an investment, just like any other collectible. I, for one, am happy - in a way - that a trombone can be valued that highly because of its association. String instruments are valued this way all the time - a violin played by Paganini will take more at auction than an equally good instrument from the same maker that doesn't have as distinguished a history. Please don't think I'm disparaging anyone for feeling that it's in bad taste to sell this instrument now, while so many musicians around the world are grieving over J.J.'s loss. I can't disagree with you, and I wish we did have a better way of assigning value to his memory and the instruments he played...maybe a Jazz History Museum should be established, and the owner of this instrument could have donated it for the benefit of a tax deduction instead of making thousands of dollars on its sale. I don't know. But in a (maybe perverse) way, the large dollar amount attached to this horn (and there is a buyer by the way) is a tribute to J.J. and his towering importance in the music world. Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 11:22:14 -0500 From: Derrick Parker To: "INTERNET:BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com" Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Come on Adrian! Message-ID: <200102131122_MC2-C570-922D@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message text written by INTERNET:BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com >Next week on Tuesday??? beldon wade < Whoops. I forgot I'm a bit ahead of some of you. Next Monday 19th February at 08:00pm (20:00hrs) Greenwich Mean Time on BBC Radio 2. Derrick ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:50:05 -0800 From: "Rod Ellard" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay Message-ID: <002f01c095dd$20379b00$527bfea9@Ellard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I imagine JJ is chagrined at not being able to unload each of his basement horns for $10k+ while he was still with us. Imagine this: (JJ at the pearly gates) St. Peter to JJ: "There will never come a day when you won't have to practice!" Rod ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 11:24:13 EST From: BarryMcCom@aol.com To: wse4music@yahoo.com, LiederLR@aol.com, laltman@operafest.org, BassSA@aol.com, Cabbone@aol.com, KPtwins@aol.com, mlb294@psu.edu, Subject: Anna Kournikova Virus Message-ID: <81.6cf56b7.27bab9ad@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_81.6cf56b7.27bab9ad_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline Hey everyone, I received this email(the virus) yesterday, and apparently when you open it(which I tried to) the virus is forwarded to everyone in your address book. If you have received this, and haven't yet opened it, Don't!! ÊIf you did get it, I am very sorry. ÊSomehow even though I tried to open it, no harm was done. ÊI hope you all have the same luck. Again, I apologize. Barry ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:54:13 -0600 From: "E. P. LUKAS" To: rrmiller@mediaone.net Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay Message-ID: <3A8966B5.D8713F6C@bigfoot.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You know, I own the axe that George Washington used to cut down his father's cherry tree. I wonder what it might be worth on Ebay. (Of course, it has had two new heads and three new handles, but otherwise it is in original condition.) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:11:08 -0500 From: "Neal Schermerhorn" To: Subject: JJ Johnston Message-ID: <001b01c095e0$81bf8880$0101a8c0@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This JJ is indeed an actor, not a bone player. More info on him at http://us.imdb.com/Name?Johnston,+J.J. Neal Schermerhorn ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:32:21 From: "Jerry Hou" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: FOR SALE Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed -Bach 42 with Thayer. Yellow brass bell. Good condition, just a few dings. Very free and responsive Thayer. Nice playing horn. Cryo frozen for improved response. Comes with Protec case. $1600 obo -Bach straight gooseneck $125 -Bach Gold 5G mouthpiece $40 -Yamaha Trudel Mouthpiece $70 Please respond privately. Thanks, Jerry _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:32:15 EST From: BarryMcCom@aol.com To: wse4music@yahoo.com, LiederLR@aol.com, laltman@operafest.org, BassSA@aol.com, Cabbone@aol.com, KPtwins@aol.com, mlb294@psu.edu, Subject: Clarification about the virus Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a3.11c5e532.27bac99f_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline Yes, everyone, I realize that opening an email can't spread a virus. ÊI guess I should have been specific that there is a file attached to this email, which if you download it, then you're in trouble. The virus is AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs Barry ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:04:49 From: "Jerry Hou" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Music for sale Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed -Kahila Semester of studies for Bass Trombone $2 -Bordogni 43 Bel canto Studies for Bass trombone $6 -Blazhevich 70 Studies for Tuba Vol. 1 $4 -Gillis 20 Etudes for Bass Trombone $7 -Gillis 70 Progressive Studies for Bass trombone $10 -Fink Studies in Legato $6 (All new condition) -Arbans Trumpet method $15 -Rochut Book 1 (no cover) $5 -Tyrrell 40 Progressive Etudes (no cover) $5 -Blazhevich Hunsberger Clef Studies (no cover) $5 -Clarke Technical studies $8 -Lafosse School of Sight Reading Part C&D $7 -Irons 27 Groups of exercises $6 -Schlossberg Daily Drills $7 -Concone/Shoemaker Legato Etudes $5 -Pares Daily exercises and scale study $5 -Caruso Musical Calisthenics for Brass $12 -Voxman Selected Studies $3 -Gaetke Scales and Arpeggios Vol 2 $8 -Kleinhammer/Yeo Art of Trombone Playing (German) $15 -Bolter "It's not all in the Air" $8 -Bolter High Range Exercises $5 -Alto Trombone Excerpts-Shiffrin $15 -Mahler (Goss) Excerpts Vol 1 $20 -Mahler (Goss) Excerpts Vol 2 $15 -Orchestral Test Pieces for Tenor and Bass (Rosin/Pleyer) $12 -Colin Advanced Lip Flexibilities $4 -Josel Rhythmic Studies Vol 2 $8 -M. Dee Stewart Bass Trumpet Notebook $10 -M Dee Stewart Tenor Tuba Notebook $8 -M Dee Stewart Euphonium Notebook $12 -Brahms Sonata 2 for Cello $8 -Schubert Arpeggione Sonata $12 -Dvorak Cello Concerto $7 -Brahms Violin Concerto $8 Please respond privately if you are interested Thanks, Jerry _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 13:28:12 -0500 From: Thomas Cox To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Clarification about the virus Message-ID: <0632CC5F67853B4D96D542BAE8AD00825E1497@merc08.us.sas.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary" Actually, under certain circumstances -Êfortunately fairly unlikely onesÊ- ÊjustÊopening an email *can* spread a virus. (A specific case involved leaving certain scripting capabilities unprotected in earlier versions of Microsoft Outlook Express so that attached scripts would auto-run when the message was opened, but there is a longÊhistory of email hacks going back to at least BSD 3.x...) Regardless ofÊwhich OS and which mail software you use, always keepÊthem up to date with the latest security patches, useÊanti-virus software with up-to-date signature files, and NEVER open an attachment unless you trust the sender AND their ability to know whether they might be propagating a virus. Mandatory trombone content: I paid for my trombone by knowing more about computers than I do about trombones. ;-) Thomas Cox -----Original Message----- From: BarryMcCom@aol.com [mailto:BarryMcCom@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 12:32 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Clarification about the virus Yes, everyone, I realize that opening an email can't spread a virus. ÊI guess I should have been specific that there is a file attached to this email, which if you download it, then you're in trouble. The virus is AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs Barry ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 13:56:23 -0500 From: Mike Schultz To: Subject: Performance wired/wireless microphones Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Folks, In the archives there appears to be some (but not much) discussion regarding wired/wireless clip-on microphones suitable for trombone. Someone had complained about undesireable mid-range boost in some hypercardioid designs, which concerns me. Other recommendations included a discontinued Radio Shack clip-on and the GLM-100 from Crown Audio (although it was unclear how this one can be mounted). Does anyone have any comments to offer about the Applied Mic Tech. models (the bell clamp version and the one that clamps behind the brace)? Their website is a bit thin on details. Any comments about the offerings from Shure, Audio-Technica etc would be also be appreciated. My primary concern is obviously good sound reproduction, but the mic has to endure a lot of jumping around and motion in a typical LOUD smokey bar stage environment. Thanks, Mike Schultz ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:19:56 -0500 From: sabutin@mindspring.com To: shannon.paterson@utoronto.ca Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Goodbye Pork Pie Hat/Gary Valente etc... Message-ID: <200102131926.OAA04725@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:52 AM 2/12/01 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all. > >I'm working on the Charles Mingus tune Good Bye Pork Pie Hat, which he >wrote in memory of Lester Young. I just listened to all 4 versions that I >have in my collection in the following semi-arbitrary order: > >1. Mingus Ah Um...Probably (?) the definitive version, although I know >Mingus had recorded this tune several times. This album is absolutely >brilliant and is required listening if you want to check out swinging, >soulful and astoundingly well written jazz. (Not to mention Jimmy >Knepper...see? Trombone content!) > >2. Canadian 80's band UZEB recorded a wonderful version of this tune...but >it's the only straight-ahead jazz track hidden on a shameless fusion album >(hey, what do you want, it was the 80's, I was young then...). Probably not >worth hunting down, but beautifully played nonetheless. (Trivia >sidebar...Miles Davis tried to recruit bassist Alain Caron for his band >circa Man with the Horn...Alain refused unless Miles would hire the rest of >UZEB...) > >TROMBONE CONTENT ALERT!! RECOMMENDED RECORDING!! > >3. Carla Bley - Big Band Theory. Carla's arrangement is, I think, >amazing. It starts with solo bass trombone (Ashley Slater); towards the >end of the melody, the other 3 trombones join in a beuatifully written >chorale/dirge. Then there's a killer solo by Gary Valente. He has this >unbelievable (and extremely unconventional) cutting edge to his sound which >perfectly fits the gutteral bluesy quality of this piece. As a bonus, you >also get a solo from one of my favourite trumpet players, Lew Soloff. The >rest of the album is excellent too, by the way. Gary and Lew are featured >on the other tracks as well, and the writing is -such- a refreshing change >from the conservative big band styles to which we're all so accustomed. > ====================== I work every week w/Gary in the Chico O'Farrill Band, and he has become one of my favorite soloists. Absolutely original, strong (no words describe how strong he plays) w/out being ugly, rhythmically rooted in an amazing manner, expressive, modern w/out lacking real roots, never a false or jive note...what a musician!!! His sound is so big, his attacks so powerful, that recording engineers can't catch what he does...not really... Only way to REALLY hear him...go hear him live. (You don't have to worry about the sound system distorting how he plays because he doesn't use one. Ever.) He's not a virtuoso trombonist in the usual sense of the word...but he is the essence of music and swing, which is virtuosity on a higher level, in my book. The only trombonist w/whom I can compare him ??? Bill Harris (High praise, indeed...) ================== ---snip--- > >I'm interested in hearing more about Gary Valente - his sound and concept >(which may not be everyone's cup of tea) intrigues me. Sam? ====================== Indeed, Gary's playing may not be "everyone's cup of tea"...in fact, tea drinkers probably won't like him (just a joke...no offense meant, tea heads), nor will aficionados of stupid trombone tricks or those that think a trombone should sound like a french horn, euphonium, tuba, trumpet or viola. But PEOPLE...just ordinary, civilian, non-musician, non-trombone player PEOPLE...THEY like him fine. I have heard certain fussy musicians put him down because they think he doesn't have any finesse, etc...let me tell you, this guy plays the lead book on Chico's band every night we play except when he's not there (I play it then, so I know what I'm talking about), and IT'S A HARD BOOK !!! Loud, soft, quite high (lots of Ds, and not sneaky little Ds, either...), little rest, and he nails it every night. Great player. Later... S. ---snip--- > >Cheers, > >Jamie Stager >Toronto, Ontario, Canada > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:17:22 -0400 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Ear plugs, was Sound Shields Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010213161151.01c47838@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:05 PM 02/07/2001 -0600, Jeff Albert wrote: Custom made "musicians" earplugs are available from an audiologist. They are custom fit to your ear, and offer flat frequency cut (theoretically). They are available with either 15 or 25 db cut, and you can change that by replacing a filter in the plug. I don't have any (although an audiologist friend of mine keeps telling me to get some), but I know a few people who do, and they say they are the best earplug around. For the price, (around $200) they should be. Jeff Albert After sitting in front of the world's loudest trumpet player last weekend, I've decided it is time to protect what remains of my hearing. It seems the most recommended product is made by E.A.R. technologies of Indianapolis. The first audiologist I called does these for $50 per ear. If they work as well as advertised, that is a small price to pay for taking care of our bodies. As Jeff said, they come in -15db and -25db models. They also recently began offering a -9db version. I figure -15 should be plenty. If I need more sound reduction than that, I am definitely in the wrong group. I'll post more after I get them fitted. Craig ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:36:00 -0400 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay - shill bidder Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010213163138.01c50730@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed You may notice that someone has placed a bid of $10,000 for the infamous instrument. What is curious about this is that the bidder obtained his eBay ID within a few weeks of the seller. The bidder has no positive or negative feedback, suggesting he may never have actually done any eBay transactions. Yet in the 5 months he has been on eBay, he has placed and retracted 7 bids. This looks a lot like the type of shill bidding scam that the FBI has been investigating. It wouldn't break my heart to see the FBI make a call on these jokers. Craig ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:35:12 EST From: PyroGuy211@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: questions on parts Message-ID: <7a.1074a95c.27baf480@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7a.1074a95c.27baf480_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline Where can i find a water key(spit valve) for my bach 42? is there a web page or something? mine got bent at a concert and when i was trying to bend it back i bent the part where the cork goes in really badly, so now a cork cant fit in it. by the way, anyone can type up a document saying"i bought this instrument" i doubt that trombone is JJ's Michael ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:39:41 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Mouthpiece search Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Dear list, I?ve drilled out many a mouthpiece and find warnings about intonation changes to be ABSOLUTELY FALSE! There, I screamed it, as loud as I could and I feel much better for having done it. What you do stand to loose, by drilling out a mouthpiece is that the tone will change. That?s a mixed blessing, depending on the mouthpiece. But first, let?s go into why I would drill out a mouthpiece. Let?s say that I?ve got a mouthpiece that has a lovely tone, at low volumes but breaks into a very harsh, over-blown tone, instantly, as soon as I try to put some air through it. If I drill out the aperture, just one drill size (increasing the diameter by about 0.004?, for numbered drills and 0.008? for lettered drills) that breaking point will start to spread out, so that I can more easily control the tone between the two extremes. I?m not saying that one drill size is all one should ever drill out a mouthpiece, either. But I do recommend that you go one drill size at a time, clean out the mouthpiece (so as not to get brass shavings in your slide) and try the mouthpiece out for a few days. What I loose, in the process, is that the clarity of the tone, at low volumes starts to get just a bit whispery (perhaps fuzzy is a better term, in that the amplitude doesn?t change). I?ve toyed with ideas of making a variable pitch tapered reamer, so that I can find out whether that added whispery tone is due to the added discontinuity in the taper of the back-bore or do to something even more esoteric. If you drill a mouthpiece out too far, it then takes too much air to get the mouthpiece to play that harsh, over-blown tone. I happen to like using that over-blown tone, on occasion, so I ruined a Bach 5, for example?$50.00 down the drain. It still plays well and still has good intonation, but it no longer has enough edge to it. You also sacrifice a semitone or two at the high end, by drilling out a mouthpiece. They?re still there. They?re just harder to hit and I believe that that, too, is a result of the ever so slight loss of clarity (whisperiness) in the tone. Now, even on a good day, I can only play 3 octaves on a trombone (not counting pedal tones) so it might be that my drilled out mouthpieces do have messed up overtones, up higher than I can play. But why would that bother me if I can?t play up there, anyway? I guess it?s time to get back to work. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:45:06 -0600 From: "Hal Starkey" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay Message-ID: <009801c09606$3b61a8c0$0c381b41@KSCABLE.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0095_01C095D3.F04892E0" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earl Needham" <KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG> To: "Trombones and related issues forum." <trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu> Sent: February 13, 2001 8:19 AM Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1409387122 > > I just wonder -- > > Is this the way JJ signed letters (picture at the site)? > > When does serial number 583416 date to? > > It's too bad they didn't include the date of the letter they have. > > Finally, I think this is in EXTREMELY poor taste. > > Earl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ And I just wonder what else is on the paper that JJ signed? Why wasÊonly that small part scanned? Does the paper go with the horn to the winning bidder? The closeup of the serial number shows some pretty good wear on the brace. So, how come the case looks like it's brand new? Has anyone on the List contacted the seller, Neil@jazzmusician.com about this horn? Hal ÊÊÊÊÊ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:37:59 EST From: PyroGuy211@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: jj horn on ebay, contacting the seller- Message-ID: <50.115dd1a2.27bb0337@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_50.115dd1a2.27bb0337_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline i sure did contact the actuall seller, the email that was given with the seller name on the bidding screen, told him that i know his little sceme is B.S.-you all should do the same ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:44:14 -0500 From: "Aaron Roth" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay - shill bidder Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed The seller is a genuine eBay seller and member of http://www.saxophone.com. I doubt that person is guilty of anything other than maybe falling victim to a hoodwink. Interestingly, the email address Neil@Jazzmusician.com sparked a response from Adam at Saxophone.com. Temporarily lurking, Aaron Roth _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:10:53 -0500 From: "Paul D. Kemp Jr." To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay Message-ID: <001701c09609$d5ee2500$18511a3f@pauljr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C095DF.EC23F900" Dear Listers, I don't care if God himself came down and played a 2B--I'm not about to pay $10,000 for a trombone. That horn is worth MAYBE $500 tops. Just because J.J. played it doesn't make it great. Besides, I have some very serious problems with bidding on instruments on E-bay. 1) If I am interested in a used trombone, I want to play it before any money changes hands. This idea of bidding on an instrument that you haven't played is not a good idea. If I, as a professional player, can't be afforded the courtesy of trying the horn first, and I'd be happy to pay to pay the shipping charges both ways if I don't like it, then I don't need it that badly, and neither do any of my students. 2) If a professional player or a good amateur has a horn for sale, why don't they post it to a trombone forum such as our beloved list, or www.trombone.org in the classified section? Could it be that the seller is trying his best to lure a sucker? Anyone can type up a piece of paper that says that JJ owned the horn and have someone sign it. I'm quite sure that JJ's widow would have a record of the serial numbers of any horn that JJ had. If I was that hung upÊon having a trombone that a famous trombone player had, I'd for sure make sure thatÊthe famous player in question really owned it.Ê Even though I remained silent about JJ's passing, I do consider him to be one of the very few people that have revolutionized the way the trombone is perceived in the music world. I don't think there's any question about it.ÊHe could put together a chorus likeÊvery few people could. I enjoy listening to him play, andÊas long as people continue to play his recordings, JJ, just like Basie, Sinatra, and Nat Cole or Bill Evans or Art Tatum, will never die. Be that as it may, even if I had $10,000 to spend on a trombone that he owned, it's just not worth it.Ê Paul Kemp Chattanooga Symphony www.trbnplyr.comÊÊÊÊ ----- Original Message ----- From: Hal Starkey To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 4:45 PM Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earl Needham" <KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG> To: "Trombones and related issues forum." <trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu> Sent: February 13, 2001 8:19 AM Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1409387122 > > I just wonder -- > > Is this the way JJ signed letters (picture at the site)? > > When does serial number 583416 date to? > > It's too bad they didn't include the date of the letter they have. > > Finally, I think this is in EXTREMELY poor taste. > > Earl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ And I just wonder what else is on the paper that JJ signed? Why wasÊonly that small part scanned? Does the paper go with the horn to the winning bidder? The closeup of the serial number shows some pretty good wear on the brace. So, how come the case looks like it's brand new? Has anyone on the List contacted the seller, Neil@jazzmusician.com about this horn? Hal ÊÊÊÊÊ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:18:45 -0000 From: "Anthony Lees" To: "trombone L mailing list" Subject: RE: Come on Adrian! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I heard this too! I must be one of the few 16 year olds who listens to radio 2 but sure enough when I tuned in for the big band special they announced that the conductor today was Adrian Drover! Gosh I thought I've heard that name before, and then I twigged where; here! Congratulations Adrian I thought it was really good, the French horns and tuba really filled out the sound and the band sounded very full. When I went to see the BBC big band play in Darlington I was very impressed and I think the French horns and tuba improved the sound tremendously. If you don't live in England you can listen to bbc radio 2 over the net: www.bbc.co.uk/radio2 I think. Big band special is on a Monday night at 8 pm GMT. Its worth a listen! Congratulations again Adrian it was really good. Anthony -----Original Message----- From: Derrick Parker [mailto:DerrickParker@compuserve.com] Sent: 13 February 2001 08:27 To: Trombone and related; Adrian Drover Subject: Come on Adrian! Adrian! So why didn't you tell us you were on the radio last night? You, the BBC Big Band - the augmented one at that with the four french horns added - , and your fantastic arrangements. I had a whisper from an informant in Scotland at the last minute just as I was rushing out for my Monday night band session. I did manage to catch the first three numbers on the car radio. John Higginbottom played a nice 'Mr Nice Guy'! Rumour has it you're on again next week - Big Band Special - 8pm GMT on BBC Radio 2. True? If so perhaps we can all listen in - even those listers on the west side of the pond - by going to http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/ as I suspect it might be broadcast on the web. So come on Adrian. In future let your friends know well in advance so we can get ourselves sorted so as not to miss you. A disgruntled Derrick. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:10:04 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: "Derrick Parker" , "Trombone and related" Subject: Re: Come on Adrian! Message-ID: <005c01c0960b$77ce7680$1b7d68d5@q9y6f8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derrick Parker" To: "Trombone and related" ; "Adrian Drover" Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 8:27 AM Subject: Come on Adrian! >>>>>>> Adrian! So why didn't you tell us you were on the radio last night? >>>>>>> Sorry Derrick, I thought everyone would rather be watching Coronation Street on the telly. Cheers, A. Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk www.adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:27:52 -0600 From: Michael Shoshani To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Craig Parmerlee wrote: >At $10,000, I dare say there will be no takers. Guess again. It has a bid! >For those who think it is unethical, please explain why we should not also >have a 2 week moratorium on the sale of JJ CDs. I don't think it's so much unethical as it is...despicable. The timing coupled with the price just strikes me as really vulture-like. Selling JJ CDs is, IMO, quite different. JJ CDs are for the most part products that he had a hand in, approved of, and was receiving royalties for. By contrast, this horn is being offered as something the deceased master once owned, once touched, once blew through and made sing. (And yes, the seller seems to be cashing in on the "hype"; the description has been modified to refer to "The Late, Great J. J. Johnson".) Michael Shoshani Chicago IL "Life is an art, not a science; You make it up as you go along." -Al Hirschfeld ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:29:37 -0500 From: "cobalt321" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: JJ horn on Ebay Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Even in our business of making music, we still must suffer the fools, the morons, and the predatory. Sadly this is the price we pay for our own humanity. Let us hope that the lack of bidding is testimony to our character and would continue regardless of the monetary price. Fritz Graf Instructor of Low Brasses MSD of Wayne Twp. Marion Co. Indianapolis, Indiana -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu]O n Behalf Of R Miller Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 12:15 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: JJ horn on Ebay Has anybody else seen this? I'm not sure wether it's the timing of this auction, or the asking price that is making me ill, but I feel ill. Ryan Miller Chicago, IL http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?View Item&item=1409387122 ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:38:07 -0600 From: Michael Shoshani To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Gabriel Langfur wrote: >I'll join Craig in playing devil's advocate a little bit. > [...] >I, for one, am happy - in a way - that a trombone can be valued that >highly because of its association. String instruments are valued this >way all the time - a violin played by Paganini will take more at >auction than an equally good instrument from the same maker that >doesn't have as distinguished a history. Let me devil's advocate your devil's advocate :) Paganini has been dead for how many decades? I would think that a violin played by Paganini, made at least a century or more ago, and kept in reasonable condition through the years would be worth more than a violin played by, say, Yehudi Lord Menuhin sold 6 days after his passing. Likewise, I am hard pressed to justify in my mind thinking that any trombone once owned in the past by a great trombone master, is worth ten grand 6 days after his passing. I would be hard pressed to imagine _anyone_ paying ten grand for a horn owned and played by [insert your favorite trombone masters of the past hundred years or so here] today. I find it difficult to imagine someone paying ten grand for the first trombone Henderson White made for Thomas King. I'm not even sure horns hand made by Larry Minick have gone for ten grand, but I may be wrong. It just seems really high AND really soon after JJ's death. I know we have a free-market ecomony and all, but some things just give me the creeps. Michael Shoshani Chicago IL "Life is an art, not a science; You make it up as you go along." -Al Hirschfeld ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:03:23 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Dear Listers, I don't care if God himself came down and played a 2B--I'm not about to pay $10,000 for a trombone. PULLEASE! Please don't use the G word, we'll wind up back in that dreaded thread. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:25:12 -0400 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay - shill bidder Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010213191323.01c59450@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:44 PM 02/13/2001 -0500, Aaron Roth wrote: The seller is a genuine eBay seller and member of http://www.saxophone.com. I doubt that person is guilty of anything other than maybe falling victim to a hoodwink. Interestingly, the email address Neil@Jazzmusician.com sparked a response from Adam at Saxophone.com. Perhaps the seller is completely independent of that bidder who only seems to put in bids that he retracts. However, that is a very normal pattern exhibited by shill bidders (actually bidder seller teams). List the item. If it doesn't get some action after a few days, then put in a shill bid to lend some legitimacy, hoping to attract others to the bidding. But make sure you retract before the end or else you will get hit with a hefty listing fee. This bidder has retracted 7 times and not completed a single transaction that received feedback. Everyone is welcome to their own interpretation of this scenario, but my guess is that these two are in collusion (or it may be a single person using two identities.) Unfortunately eBay does not provide details about the 7 other auctions where this guy got in and out. It would be very interesting to see if any of those items were listed by the same seller. If he is just a regular old moron, he will retract his bid fairly soon. If he is a shill bidder, look for him to wait until the last few hours to bail out. Anyway, it is all academic. I'm sure there is nobody here who is going to get suckered by this operator. Cheers, Craig ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:31:33 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay - shill bidder Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Too bad? If it had just been a little cheaper, say $9000.00, I could have bought it and then I?d be able to play just like JJ?right? DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:36:11 -0600 From: "Dean McCarty" To: Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum" , Subject: J.J. Johnson horn on Ebay Message-ID: <007c01c09616$39f86180$39c12bcf@compaqcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004B_01C095E3.74FE1FA0" This is in really bad taste I think. You could at least let the grave settle before you do this kind of thing. You would be getting better response if had waited for some time. Besides... how can you validate that J.J. actually owned this horn? A piece of typing paper with a signature... could be anyone's. In my book, IF it was his it was worth just as much when he was alive... now I do not and would not become a part of the pack of vultures that usually appear when something like this happens. Why can't people let greatness leave in peace. I loved your playing J.J. and what you did for the trombone, may you rest in peace. Dean McCarty freelance trombonist, Houston area ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:45:54 -0500 From: Candice & Eric Swanson Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay - shill bidder Message-ID: <3A89B922.96328B64@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Craig Parmerlee wrote: > You may notice that someone has placed a bid of $10,000 for the infamous > instrument. ........... This looks a lot like the type of shill bidding scam > > that the FBI has been investigating. I was thinking the same thing. If you were bidding on something, would your first bid be for $10,000? Mine sure wouldn't be for anything near that, even if I was willing to go that high. Sounds fishy. Eric Swanson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:48:08 -0500 From: Candice & Eric Swanson Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: questions on parts Message-ID: <3A89B9A8.A12D70B9@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PyroGuy211@aol.com wrote: > Where can i find a water key(spit valve) for my bach 42? is there a > web page > or something? mine got bent at a concert and when i was trying to bend > it > back i bent the part where the cork goes in really badly, so now a > cork cant > fit in it. > > Pyro, Your local repair shop should have this type of part in stock. Bach will not sell you the parts directly. Eric Swanson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:04:53 -0600 From: "Jeff Albert" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Performance wired/wireless microphones Message-ID: <003301c09619$c3f78020$1dd81542@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fortunately, I am doing less jumping around in loud smokey bars these days, but when that was primarily how I paid my bills, I used an AKG C 419 Wind Instrument bell clip on mic, and loved it. Good clear true sound on my horn, and sturdy and reliable construction. I have also played an Audio Technica (can't remember the model), which was good, but not nearly as good as the AKG. Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Schultz" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 12:56 PM Subject: Performance wired/wireless microphones > Folks, > > In the archives there appears to be some (but not much) discussion regarding > wired/wireless clip-on microphones suitable for trombone. Someone had > complained about undesireable mid-range boost in some hypercardioid designs, > which concerns me. > > Other recommendations included a discontinued Radio Shack clip-on and the > GLM-100 from Crown Audio (although it was unclear how this one can be > mounted). > > Does anyone have any comments to offer about the Applied Mic Tech. models > (the bell clamp version and the one that clamps behind the brace)? Their > website is a bit thin on details. > > Any comments about the offerings from Shure, Audio-Technica etc would be > also be appreciated. > > My primary concern is obviously good sound reproduction, but the mic has to > endure a lot of jumping around and motion in a typical LOUD smokey bar stage > environment. > > Thanks, > Mike Schultz > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:47:06 -0000 From: "John Clark" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Bidder on J.J. Horn Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Playing with a slight Machivellian attitude, what say the bidder "waerloga2k" merely created an eBay address that's used to confound sellers like the slimy creature selling this 2B? Jus' a thought-------- John Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:50:25 -0300 From: Antonio Henrique Seixas To: trombonelist Subject: Brass Quintet With Orchestra Message-ID: <00c701c09639$493b4fe0$7497dac8@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear listers: Can you sugest me a good piece for Brass Quintet with Orchestra? I thank you in advance. Antonio Henrique Seixas - seixas@west.com.br Bass Trombone - Brazilian Symphony Orchestra - www.osb.com.br Trombone Professor - Rio de Janeiro Federal University General Secretary - Brazilian Trombone Association 2000/2001 Weril Musical Instruments Artist - www.weril.com.br ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:04:23 -0500 From: Randy Campora To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Tomasi Concerto in Baltimore Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010213215618.009988f0@mail.telephonet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Chris Dudley, the Associate Principal Trombonist in the Baltimore Symphony Orchestra, will perform the Tomasi Concerto with the Baltimore Chamber Orchestra February 28, 2001 at 8 p.m. in the Kraushaar Auditorium of Goucher College in Baltimore, Maryland. Details may be found on the Chamber Orchestra's website at . The remainder of the program is Milhaud's "Le Boeuf sur se toit", and Ravel's "Mother Goose Suite." Additionally, for those of you who may want to hear Chris play the concerto but won't be available that night, he may be performing it with piano at the Peabody Conservatory next week sometime. Email me privately if you would like to know when that is going to happen. Chris is a wonderful player, the Tomasi is a wonderful piece. If you have never heard this concerto with orchestra, you will be impressed at the orchestration and overall color of the piece--it's quite super. -Randy Campora ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Randy Campora, Bass Trombonist Baltimore Symphony Orchestra Peabody Conservatory of Music campora@peabody.jhu.edu 410-461-1984 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:27:49 -0600 From: "Gary Greenhoe" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Garrison Keillor gig Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi list, I about fell out of my chair today in rehearsal when the section noticed a message to me on my part for the Keillor concert from a couple of Trombone-L listers! That's one way to keep me awake! Thanks, whoever you are..it was greatly appreciated. ;-) Gary Greenhoe Milwaukee Symphony Orchestra Greenhoe Musical Instrument Components http://www.greenhoe.com gary@greenhoe.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:29:26 -0500 From: "Bart Roberts" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Handel Oboe Concerto in F minor and Richard Monaco Second Sonata Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello All, Wanted to know if anyone has any comments or suggestions on performing the Handel Oboe Conerto or the Monaco Second Sonata. Thanks Bart Roberts ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 08:59:30 -0600 From: "E. P. LUKAS" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Adrian and his band Message-ID: <32CA7BD2.83020E1E@bigfoot.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's the URL for Adrian Drover's big band. http://www.btinternet.com/~dynamicmusic/bigband.htm ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:50:03 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay Message-ID: <00a601c0966b$9cbd69a0$fb93fc3e@q9y6f8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul D. Kemp Jr. To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 10:10 PM Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay >>>>>>> I don't care if God himself came down and played a 2B--I'm not about to pay $10,000 for a trombone. That horn is worth MAYBE $500 tops. >>>>>>> So that's $500 for the 'bone plus $9,500 because JJ had his chops on it. Has the mp been DNA tested? I think if Big G had played it, it would probably fetch a little more than 10K. Bad news for those recently joining the Heaven Big Band. God has a girl friend... ...and she's a singer. A. Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk www.adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:28:17 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Adrian and his band Message-ID: <001901c09679$5117d720$c20cfd3e@q9y6f8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "E. P. LUKAS" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 1997 2:59 PM Subject: Adrian and his band > Here's the URL for Adrian Drover's big band. > > http://www.btinternet.com/~dynamicmusic/bigband.htm > To be absolutely correct, that is the URL for the Adrian Drover/Dave Hankin Big Band, or is it the Adrian Drover/Dave Hankin Jazz Orchestra? Cheers, A. Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk www.adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:47:04 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Handel Oboe Concerto in F minor and Richard Monaco Second Sonata Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010214074609.00a6cf00@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:29 PM 2/13/01 -0500, Bart Roberts blasted the following out into the ether: Hello All, Wanted to know if anyone has any comments or suggestions on performing the Handel Oboe Conerto or the Monaco Second Sonata. Thanks Bart Roberts You might want to go beyond alto trombone and find a nice soprano or even a sopranino trombone, as the parts are really high... Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446m W103d 12.700m (or so) Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, you breathe...) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:11:12 -0500 From: "Paul D. Kemp Jr." To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Handel Oboe Concerto in F minor and Richard Monaco Second Sonata Message-ID: <000d01c09698$605bd3c0$8b2f3e3f@pauljr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bart, Perhaps Earl didn't realize that there are a couple of transcriptions of this great work for trombone. I like the Lafosse one myself. I'm assuming that you mean the one originally in G minor (transcribed down a step to F minor). Try to perfrom it as transparently and as cleanly as possible. You don't need a very big sound, and incidentally, this would be a great piece to use a smaller bore trombone such as a Bach 36 with a 6 1/2AL mouthpiece. I've perfromed this work several times and it is not for the faint of heart. If you need a recording of it, Ralph Sauer has recorded it on one of his solo albums on the Crystal label. Very masterful performance. It would also help to do a bit of study on baroque ornamentations, or get with an oboist to see how they would ornament some of these things. We had Sherry Syler, (2nd oboist with the New York Philharmonic) perform it with our orchestra about 6 years ago, and it was absolutely magnificent. Paul Kemp Chattanooga Symphony www.trbnplyr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earl Needham" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 9:47 AM Subject: Re: Handel Oboe Concerto in F minor and Richard Monaco Second Sonata > At 11:29 PM 2/13/01 -0500, Bart Roberts blasted the following out into the > ether: > >Hello All, > > > >Wanted to know if anyone has any comments or suggestions on performing the > >Handel Oboe Conerto or the Monaco Second Sonata. > > > >Thanks > > > >Bart Roberts > > You might want to go beyond alto trombone and find a nice soprano or > even a sopranino trombone, as the parts are really high... > > Earl > > > Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG > Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446m W103d 12.700m (or so) > > Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, > you breathe...) > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:03:42 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: slide.rule@adios.co.uk, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay Message-ID: <4a.11777b1a.27bbf84e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok Adrian, what Lady who is a singer just joined Heavens Big Band?? I haven't seen it on one of the UK papers recently. Haven't been looking at them due to time scrunch. beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:09:30 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: slide.rule@adios.co.uk Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Adrian and his band Message-ID: <3A8A9FAA.18464EFB@bcsd.k12.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adrian wrote: > To be absolutely correct, that is the URL for the Adrian Drover/Dave Hankin > Big Band, or is it the Adrian Drover/Dave Hankin Jazz Orchestra? =========================================================== Put it on eBay. List it under both names. Start off the bidding at $10,000, and see what you come up with. Seems fair to me. All the best, Gary Maxwell Bass Trombone Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:07:07 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Cc: jjlist@egroups.com Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010214080636.00ac6c70@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:15 PM 2/12/01 -0600, R Miller blasted the following out into the ether: Has anybody else seen this? I'm not sure wether it's the timing of this auction, or the asking price that is making me ill, but I feel ill. Ryan Miller Chicago, IL http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1409387122 And if you thought that was interesting, take a look at http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=559966354 Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446m W103d 12.700m (or so) Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, you breathe...) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:08:39 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Handel Oboe Concerto in F minor and Richard Monaco Second Sonata Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010214080745.00b1f860@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:11 AM 2/14/01 -0500, Paul D. Kemp Jr. blasted the following out into the ether: Bart, Perhaps Earl didn't realize that there are a couple of transcriptions of this great work for trombone. Quite right! I had no idea that my attempt to be funny would expose my lack of knowledge! Small-town-ism strikes again! Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446m W103d 12.700m (or so) Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, you breathe...) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:20:37 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: $10,000 Trombones Message-ID: <3A8AA245.2E52D028@bcsd.k12.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, There are now two trombones with the asking price of $10,000. Anyone care to venture forth a guess as to the other one? This is not a made up thing. Hint: I referred to this other trombone sometime ago. First correct answer can claim the rights to an old, skuzy Parduba Double-Cup for Cornet. Randy Fendrick is disqualified, because of recent discussion on same topic. Sorry Randy. (:>)) All the best, Gary Maxwell Bass Trombone Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:20:23 -0500 From: Candice & Eric Swanson Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay Message-ID: <3A8A9427.4698566F@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Earl Needham wrote: And if you thought that was interesting, take a look at > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=559966354 > > I hear J.J. once rode on this train. Eric ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:52:53 -0500 From: "Joshua A. Sticklor-Lipson" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: A joke Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:50:03 -0000 Adrian Drover wrote: -snip- > Bad news for those recently joining the Heaven Big Band. > God has a girl friend... ...and she's a singer. -snip- A trumpet player is walking down the street when he sees a man that he swears is an old friend of his who played trombone. It suddenly occured to him that the friend had died several years ago, and he walks over to see if he's hallucinating or not. Sure enough, it is his old friend, or his friends ghost to be specific. "What are you doing down here on Earth?" The trumpet player inquires. "God let me come back down to finish up some business I left unfinished in life," the trombonist responds. "Wel, since you are down here, I have to ask you a question that has been bothering me for years. I've devoted my whole life to music, is there music in heaven?" the trumpet player asks. The trombone player responds. "Well, I've got good news and bad news. The good news is there is wonderful music in heaven, orchestras and big bands and combos with perfect rhythm and intonation and tone. Everything you could ever hope for in an ensemble to play in." "Well, what's the bad news?" "You're on the schedule to play lead trumpet in my big band in two weeks." ---------- Joshua A. Sticklor-Lipson Bass trombone, James Madison University Bass trombone, Marching Royal Dukes ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:16:36 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: sticklja@jmu.edu Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: A joke Message-ID: <3A8ABD74.E5B7FCDA@bcsd.k12.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Joshua A. Sticklor-Lipson" wrote: > "You're on the schedule to play lead trumpet in my big band in > two weeks." ============================================================= At least he now has a chance to stock up on slide lube. Got a class. See y'all. Gary > > ---------- > > Joshua A. Sticklor-Lipson > Bass trombone, James Madison University > Bass trombone, Marching Royal Dukes ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:23:49 -0500 From: sabutin@mindspring.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Fwd: Early March availability for teaching along the East Coast (say S. New Jersey through N. Carolina?) Message-ID: <200102141731.MAA12451@smtp6.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all... I just got through doing some clinics and teaching in the midwest, and had such a good time doing it that I thought I'd repost this notice that I posted several weeks ago and see if anything comes of it this time. > The Smithsonian Band is doing a series of rehearsals and concerts in Washington DC March 7th through the 10th, and since I will be exhibiting this year at the Eastern Trombone Workshop March 16th and 17th (showing my method book, probably demonstrating some of the techniques here and there, maybe playing a Shires horn or two...), I thought perhaps I could fill in the days from Sunday March 11th through Thursday March 15th with some clinics or classes of some sort w/in several hour's drive of Washington DC. > Anyone with any ideas, email me and we'll see what we can set up. > Later... > Sam Burtis ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:56:15 -0000 From: "Christopher Smith" To: crazytromboneboy@hotmail.com, kd5xb@amsat.org, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Cc: jjlist@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [JJ-LIST] Re: JJ horn on Ebay Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed 583416 dates between 1975-1980 (probably more towards the beginning)--any idea whether JJ still was playing King after circa 1975? +++++++++ Yes. I know he played Kings well into the '80s. He started playing Yamahas about '87. Seems to be a likely hoax, but moreover as previously mentioned it is in extremely bad taste. +++++++ I'm not sure about a hoax, the signature appears to be J.J.'s to me, but I agree the timing is opportunistic at best and at worst merely deplorable. I vote to end this thread. No more posts from me on this subject. Chris www.geocities.com/bourbonstreet/2418 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:05:22 -0500 From: sabutin@mindspring.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Cc: jjlist@yahoogroups.com Subject: Possible clinic tours Message-ID: <200102141912.OAA19979@smtp6.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello all... I have gotten several inquiries recently from people in different parts of the country about the possibility of putting together a series of clinics in their areas. What I've been doing is this...whenever one of the bands w/which I play has a tour, I try to set up some clinics on either side of the tour. This saves the schools mucho bucks in travel expenses and sometimes in hotel expenses as well. However...I've been doing so much teaching recently (and having such a good time doing it), that it has been occurring to me that I might be able to set up some things just on the teaching end...a group of several schools all w/in a few hours drive of one another could share in the airfare, etc. which would make the expense fairly palatable per school. If anyone has any ideas in this regard, maybe some contacts w/a few schools in the same neck of the woods, please get in touch w/me. I can appear as a guest soloist w/school jazz groups (I have some charts...), conduct trombone, lower brass or brass clinics, give general jazz clinics, rehearse jazz ensembles, speak about improvisation or arranging/composing/orchestrating...whatever I do for a living in New York, basically. (Teaching on this level is MUCH more fun than doing general business work around the city...) Later... Sam ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:23:26 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: maxwellg@bcsd.k12.ca.us, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: A joke Message-ID: <77.103b5b97.27bc352e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does Nanette have Binak in a Six Pack to take along??? That should last through eternity. Of course if the gig is around the clock, maybe a larger number of Binak Six Packs would be advisable. beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:08:35 -0500 From: "Nanette L. Kappus" To: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: A joke Message-ID: <3A8B1E03.6E5804CB@eznet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------03A22F1959815557DCC30734" COOL Beldon ! I could set up a booth, hopefully near the "Big Guy" and do business with lots of musicians! I could make the six pack come with those little plastic carriers attached and once in awhile have aÊ "2 for 1" sale for the boys and girls "downstairs in the warming room !"ÊÊ :) Gosh, I hope I don't end up in the Warming Room. If I do though, I will be sure to set up a booth anyway !!!! I {I bet I even see a few friends there.} Thanks for the laugh Beldon! Nanette BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com wrote: Does Nanette have Binak in a Six Pack to take along??? That should last through eternity. Of course if the gig is around the clock, maybe a larger number of Binak Six Packs would be advisable. beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:10:50 -0600 From: "Tom Izzo" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay - shill bidder Message-ID: <00b101c09705$48cb7d60$8375dfd0@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Craig Parmerlee wrote: > > > You may notice that someone has placed a bid of $10,000 for the infamous > > instrument. ........... This looks a lot like the type of shill bidding scam > > > > that the FBI has been investigating. > > I was thinking the same thing. If you were bidding on something, would your > first bid be for $10,000? Mine sure wouldn't be for anything near that, even > if I was willing to go that high. Sounds fishy. > Something else caught my eyes!!! The SELLER it is stated, does not have a computer, so the listing is by another address. If that is the case why is there both a reply to addy AND a sellers addy present? If the seller doesn't have a computer, what's he doing with an e-address? The plot thickens......Is is April Fools Day yet? Adrian? Tom > Eric Swanson > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:55:28 -0600 From: "Hal Starkey" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay - shill bidder Message-ID: <006101c09703$22c36260$0c381b41@KSCABLE.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005E_01C096D0.D7E5CEE0" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Izzo" <jeanvaljean@ntsource.com> To: "Trombones and related issues forum." <trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu> Sent: February 14, 2001 10:10 PM Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay - shill bidder > The SELLER it is stated, does not have a computer, so the listing is by > another address. If that is the case why is there both a reply to addy AND a > sellers addy present? If the seller doesn't have a computer, what's he doing > with an e-address? The plot thickens......Is is April Fools Day yet? > Adrian? > > Tom ÊÊÊ -------------------------------------------------- Good call, Tom!!!! ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 00:17:59 -0600 From: "Tom Izzo" To: "Hal Starkey" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay - shill bidder Message-ID: <011301c09717$0c6bb080$8375dfd0@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0110_01C096E4.C0E64440" Hal, ----- Original Message ----- From: Hal Starkey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Izzo" <jeanvaljean@ntsource.com> > The SELLER it is stated, does not have a computer, so the listing is by > another address. If that is the case why is there both a reply to addy AND a > sellers addy present? If the seller doesn't have a computer, what's he doing > with an e-address? The plot thickens......Is is April Fools Day yet? > Adrian? > > Tom ÊÊÊ -------------------------------------------------- >Good call, Tom!!!! Thanks, I'm not the Grammar Police on several lists just for my health, you know! :-) hahahahahah Tom ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:53:57 -0600 From: "Joseph Sellmansberger" To: "trombone list" Subject: J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J. Message-ID: <00d201c09713$b54bf240$81935d0c@vogmudet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, how 'bout if we discuss somethin' else, now? :-) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 01:08:36 -0600 From: "Corey Cowart" To: Subject: Duquesne University Info? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If anyone attends Duquesne currently, can you email me? I would like to get some information on the school. Also, can someone tell me how to get in touch with Murray Crewe; phone #, email, something. Thanks, Corey ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 08:31:36 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: "Joseph Sellmansberger" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J. Message-ID: <002a01c09729$cd5f44c0$bf88fc3e@q9y6f8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Sellmansberger" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 5:53 AM Subject: J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J. > OK, how 'bout if we discuss somethin' else, now? OK, what are the advantages of Pledge over Gunge-o-Mix? A. Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk www.adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:59:16 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay - shill bidder Message-ID: <004401c09736$15d54360$bf88fc3e@q9y6f8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Izzo" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 4:10 AM Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay - shill bidder > The plot thickens......Is is April Fools Day yet? > Adrian? Well if it is Tom, I've already been fooled into thinking it's Valantine's Day. Cheers, A. Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk www.adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:34:48 -0600 From: "Jeff Albert" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Pledge was Re: J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J. Message-ID: <001301c09754$11b81e60$06ad1442@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pledge smells better. Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Drover" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 2:31 AM Subject: Re: J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joseph Sellmansberger" > To: "Trombones and related issues forum." > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 5:53 AM > Subject: J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J. > > > > OK, how 'bout if we discuss somethin' else, now? > > OK, what are the advantages of Pledge over Gunge-o-Mix? > > A. > > Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) > Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk > Business: studio@adios.co.uk > www.adios.co.uk > > > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:24:19 -0500 From: sabutin@mindspring.com To: jjlist@yahoogroups.com Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Even MORE clinic availability, around May 15-30th, NY through Atlanta area Message-ID: <200102151232.HAA00019@johnson.mail.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all... I am going to attend at least some part of the ITF Festival in Nashville that takes place between May 20th + May 24th this year, and either before or after that time will spend a few days in Atlanta as well. (I may take a display table at the festival to promote my new method book, I may not...) I haven't made my final travel plans yet, but being the driving fool that I am, I may very well just get in my fast car and drive, take a little busman's holiday. The possible driving routes from NYC through Nashville to Atlanta cover a LOT of territory, and I could easily plan the route so that it would include anyplace in an arc that would be bounded by NYC on the north, Cleveland and Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, St. Louis, Nashville, Atlanta, Columbus and Savannah GA, and then on up the east coast including North and South Carolina, Virginia, and the Washington DC-Baltimore-Philadelphia-NJ-NYC corridor. That's a lot of territory, and so far I have no tours or extended engagements booked around that time. Since my time and travel plans are essentially up in the air during that general time period (I can go to Atlanta either before or after the ITF Festival), maybe I can pick up some clinics within that huge chunk of territory as I go. Anyone interested, get back to me. Later... Sam Burtis ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:11:16 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J. Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed DISCLAIMER: I play jazz. So, first, it occurred to me that the horn that this guy was selling was comprised of the larger slide and smaller bell sections (J.J. used to play a small slide with a mismatched larger bell). Then, I started thinking (always a bad start) that I didn?t have enough options, with only a dozen trombones and about 20 mouthpieces. I needed to start swapping slides and bells. Now, I?ve tried these sorts of things before, but never quite so seriously as I did the other day. The result was that have been playing the 0.0485: slide from my favorite peashooter with the 0.508? bell of my favorite beanshooter, for the last few days. It?s an absolute joy. Now if I can just sell my 7? bell with my 0.508? slide (that combo scarcely plays, at all) for $10,000.00, I?ll be all set. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:22:46 EST From: Neobopr@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu, tbonecentral@onelist.com, jjlist@yahoogroups.com Subject: My CD available through my site. Message-ID: <64.b43a7f4.27bd5c56@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello fellow listers. I'm now offering my CD through my website using PayPal! $10.00 includes shipping and handling! It is a compilation of everything I was featured on during tours in 2000. You can hear just the solos from these recordings on my MP3 page. Just go to www.PayPal.com, sign-up and send the $10 to my email address: neobopr@aol.com I'll get the CD in the mail to you the next day. Thanks for your time. Artist/Clinician for Yamaha: Jeff Adams ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:22:57 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay Message-ID: <004101c09774$388c6760$4990fc3e@q9y6f8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 3:03 PM Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay > Ok Adrian, what Lady who is a singer just joined Heavens Big Band?? > > I haven't seen it on one of the UK papers recently. You're reading the wrong press. Try the Guinness Times. My goodness, is that the time aw'ready? Better get another one. A. Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk www.adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:45:35 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: slide.rule@adios.co.uk, BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: JJ horn on Ebay Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do no have A Guinness in the Fridge so I'll imagie it was Dusty Springfield. beldon ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:33:55 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J. Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010215153035.01f99cf8@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:31 AM 2/15/2001 +0000, Adrian Drover wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Sellmansberger" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 5:53 AM Subject: J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J. > OK, how 'bout if we discuss somethin' else, now? OK, what are the advantages of Pledge over Gunge-o-Mix? No. I don't want to talk about that. Is it more cool to polish a raw brass horn or let it tarnish? Now there's a worthy question. Corollary: How do you get the green stuff out of your clothes if you play a tarnished horn, or is it more cool to wear clothes with green stains? ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:41:42 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: Re: J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J. Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 08:31 AM 2/15/2001 +0000, Adrian Drover wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Sellmansberger" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 5:53 AM Subject: J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J. OK, how 'bout if we discuss somethin' else, now? OK, what are the advantages of Pledge over Gunge-o-Mix? No. I don't want to talk about that. Is it more cool to polish a raw brass horn or let it tarnish? Now there's a worthy question. Corollary: How do you get the green stuff out of your clothes if you play a tarnished horn, or is it more cool to wear clothes with green stains? Depends upon the location of the green stains. ;-) Chris -- ________________________________________________ Chris Waage chris@trombone.org Associate Webmaster The Online Trombone Journal http://www.trombone.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:45:19 -0500 From: "Jen and Andy Walls" To: "Trombone-L List" , "Tom Izzo" Subject: 6 valve trombone Message-ID: <00d001c09790$36644680$e5461bd0@0016344132> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C09766.4C61A560" Hey Tom and List, I'm not sure if you own this one yet! (Ha-Ha) Check out the pics of a 6 valve trombone. There areÊmore pics on this site some other listers might enjoy too. http://www.williampetit.com/index.brass.htm Andy Walls ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:54:50 -0500 From: "Andrew Elms" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE:Tarnish (was J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I truly prefer the look of a tarnished horn. Much like George Lucas' idea of ships and props in the original Star Wars trilogy, it makes the items look used. I like my horns to have a nice, happy, used look to them. This is the main reason that I de-lacquer most of my horns. Yes, the lacquer does make a difference in sound (not always good), but it is not the limiting factor in my playing. In fact, I will call you all let you know when the lacquer on my horn is the thing holding me back. Don't wait up for the call. Horns with spots and fingerprints, Andy P.S. a side note to the fingerprints, my 42 bell has a thumb print that I can always see when I play, it is my Father's thumbprint and I really like it there as he is now deceased. The mark is a wonderful reminder of him that I can see when I do something that he always supported. -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Craig Parmerlee Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 3:34 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J. At 08:31 AM 2/15/2001 +0000, Adrian Drover wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Joseph Sellmansberger" >To: "Trombones and related issues forum." >Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 5:53 AM >Subject: J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J. > > > > OK, how 'bout if we discuss somethin' else, now? > >OK, what are the advantages of Pledge over Gunge-o-Mix? No. I don't want to talk about that. Is it more cool to polish a raw brass horn or let it tarnish? Now there's a worthy question. Corollary: How do you get the green stuff out of your clothes if you play a tarnished horn, or is it more cool to wear clothes with green stains? ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:07:14 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: "Joseph Sellmansberger" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J. Message-ID: <001601c09715$8baaae20$a8525d3f@garymaxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > OK, how 'bout if we discuss somethin' else, now? > > :-) ============================ And in plain text, as we have been asked, time and time again. (:>)) Thanks, Gary Maxwell ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:05:36 -0800 From: "Les Benedict" To: Subject: Attn: L.A. area 'bone fans Message-ID: <004d01c097ac$51e97f80$175cfea9@q2h9d9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jacques Voyemant Septet at USC, Wed., Feb. 21 One of LA's finest young trombonists, Jacques is a USC grad and now a faculty member. He will perform with the other members of his septet: Bob Sheppard (saxes, flute), Christian Jacob (piano), Dave Tull (drums), Billy Hulting (vibes), Ken Wild (bass) and Brian Kilgore (percussion) at Newman Recital Hall on the campus of USC at 8pm on February 21. I highly recommend your attendance; he's a wonderful trombonist, and the group members are superlative. Presented by U.S.C. Thornton School of Music. Phone (213) 740-2584 for info/directions. Les Benedict lesbenedict@earthlink.net ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:39:33 -0500 From: Candice & Eric Swanson Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J. Message-ID: <3A8C68B4.766A8895@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Craig Parmerlee wrote: > Corollary: How do you get the green stuff out of your clothes if you play > a tarnished horn, or is it more cool to wear clothes with green stains? Craig, The solution is only wear green clothes. Eric ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 23:22:26 -0500 (EST) From: TRBNTERRY@webtv.net (TRBNTERRY) To: nichols_tim@hotmail.com Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu (Trombones and related issues forum.) Subject: Re: Valve trombone - BOSTON brand. Message-ID: <8676-3A8CAB02-434@storefull-113.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Tim, I have a Boston Instrument Co. rotary valve trombone. According to Smithsonian, they were only made between 1880 and 1883, after which Boston switched to piston valves. I can't really tell you much more, but maybe Smithsonian can. Mike Terry ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:48:44 -0800 From: jimandcat@juno.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Grunt bass bone Message-ID: <20010215.205717.-360739.0.Jimandcat@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Check out the full page ad in the latest "Instrumentalist" for Getzen. My guess is it will show up in the ITA Journal. It features my former teacher and one of my hero bass trombonists, Jeff Reynolds. Before you get all uptight about the "serious" message, please recognize this guy has an incredible sense of humor about everything. It's a joke, folks. Somebody out there in the "trenches", who always gets the job done. Jim Prindle ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 01:05:49 -0600 From: "R Miller" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: West Side Story (Peress) needed!!!!! HELP!!! Message-ID: <001401c097e6$e4c71b20$dae91d18@ce.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am looking for the orchestra arrangement of "The West Side Story Overture" as done by Peress. Luck's has rented all their copies out and I am searching deperately for a set to rent/borrow/kill for, since this piece is no longer in print. If anybody has a lead or can refer me to an orchestra that might be willing to help me out, please let me know. Many thanks, Ryan Miller Bass tromboner Librarian, Fox Valley Symphony ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:29:37 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J. Message-ID: <002d01c097fb$15267040$2a0cfd3e@q9y6f8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Parmerlee" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 8:33 PM Subject: Re: J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J. > How do you get the green stuff out of your clothes if you play > a tarnished horn Dun'no, ask Urbie A. Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk www.adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1952--