TROMBONE-L Digest 1948 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Nielsen Flute Concerto by "HICKS, JIM D" 2) Re: Trombones and Religion by "Gary D. Maxwell" 3) Re: Bach flat or is it me? by Gabriel Langfur 4) Re: Bach flat or is it me? by Gabriel Langfur 5) Re: Bach flat or is it me? by Walter Barrett 6) Conn Stroboconn Tuner by "Kathy-Green -TJ" 7) RE: Bach flat or is it me? by Steve Gamble 8) Re: Bach flat or is it me? by "Daniel Pliskin" 9) RE: Conn Stroboconn Tuner by Steve Gamble 10) Interesting CNN.com NYPhil Stories by Chris Waage 11) RE: Bach 16m by "Andrew Elms" 12) RE: Bach flat or is it me? by "Thomas Smee" 13) Alexander bass trumpet for sale by Douglas Yeo 14) Re: Bach 16m by "Dennis Clason" 15) "Don' Let the Sun Go Down" by DenBlose@aol.com 16) Re: "Don' Let the Sun Go Down" by Mike Loewen 17) silent brass mute for alto horn? by Chris Lee 18) It's that time of year... by Beth Lewis 19) Re: "Don' Let the Sun Go Down" by Dave Tall 20) Re: It's that time of year... by Walter Barrett 21) Re: It's that time of year... by Walter Barrett 22) Brookmeyer on JJ by William Dinwiddie 23) Re: Conn Stroboconn Tuner by David Leep 24) Bonetown at TMEA by "Dean McCarty" 25) Re: It's that time of year... by "Daniel Pliskin" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1948 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 07:21:09 -0500 From: "HICKS, JIM D" To: "'Jay Heltzer'" , JennWhaa@aol.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Nielsen Flute Concerto Message-ID: <97248F13771FD31184690008C75DEBDA02E1229D@cin-ex-w-4.dfas.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I played this with a local community orchestra many years ago. I was intimidated by it at first - I thought I was doing something terribly wrong. Then the conductor let me know that I was supposed to "sound" like that. It was fun after I learned what to do. However, I never learned the story behind the scenes. Now it makes sense! I would have had even more fun had I heard your comments before I played it. Thanks; Jim Hicks -----Original Message----- From: Jay Heltzer [mailto:jhfloyd@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 9:13 AM To: JennWhaa@aol.com Cc: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Nielsen Flute Concerto JennWhaa@aol.com wrote: > Can anyone give me a heads up on the solo? I know that there is one but I > haven't seen it before and may have to play it tomorrow. > > Thanks in advance. > > Jen > > Jennifer Wharton > Aspiring musician and professional basket weaver. Glissando's, rude interruptions, and counting. When Nielsen wrote this great work, the soloist and the bass trombonist of his orchestra did NOT get along. Nielsen decided to represent this relationship in the music. Be big with all the dissonant entrances, and be sure to follow the ink on the dynamic differences. Most of all, have fun!!! Its more than just a supporting role. More like sub-solo. jay heltzer ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1948 Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 06:38:32 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: slide.rule@adios.co.uk Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Trombones and Religion Message-ID: <3A8400E8.5BCBCF8C@bcsd.k12.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adrian Drover wrote: > From: Carpenter, Norm wrote: > > Hey! > Wasn't the Trombone originally referred to as "the Voice of God"? > >>>>>>>>======================================== > Adrian Drover countered: > That's not what my neighbour calls it when I practice early on a Sunday > morning. =========================================================== I interject: Early Sunday morning, I reserve for golf. Mid-morning I take trombone in hand and head for woodshed. Neighbor's at church, I'm at church. Works for me. Gary Maxwell ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1948 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 06:48:54 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Bach flat or is it me? Message-ID: <20010209144854.94655.qmail@web10301.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Robert A Bates wrote: I found I > could not push the tuning slide in far enough to stop it from being > flat.Is it me or the horn ?Was the horn built flat or is my lip too > loose? Tuner was a Korg at3. I used a ref. pitch from a different > source > and it seems in cal. What sort of surgery would be reguired if the > horn > is at fault? You need to have the tuning slide & receiver shortened. Very simple for a decent repairperson. I had to do the same to my Bach, and so have many other people. Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1948 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 06:55:10 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Bach flat or is it me? Message-ID: <20010209145510.5961.qmail@web10305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Craig Parmerlee wrote: > > I'm not familiar enough with the Bach numbers, but I assume the "t" > is for > Thayer. If you are playing on Thayers, you may not be getting enough > > resistance for your embouchure and physique. A tighter leadpipe or > mouthpiece throat bore might balance things up a little better for > you. I'd agree with this, definitely, but it has also been my experience, as I said, that Bach instruments are too long overall for some players who tend to play on the low side of the pitch, regardless of mouthpiece. You should see how much tuning slide Ron Barron had to have cut off of his Bach 36! Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1948 Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 10:40:14 -0500 From: Walter Barrett To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Bach flat or is it me? Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 2/9/01 9:55 AM, Gabriel Langfur at glangfur@yahoo.com sent forth into the cosmos: > --- Craig Parmerlee wrote: >> >> I'm not familiar enough with the Bach numbers, but I assume the "t" >> is for >> Thayer. If you are playing on Thayers, you may not be getting enough >> >> resistance for your embouchure and physique. A tighter leadpipe or >> mouthpiece throat bore might balance things up a little better for >> you. > > I'd agree with this, definitely, but it has also been my experience, as > I said, that Bach instruments are too long overall for some players who > tend to play on the low side of the pitch, regardless of mouthpiece. > > You should see how much tuning slide Ron Barron had to have cut off of > his Bach 36! > > Gabe These are all good ideas, but let's remember that the person at the start of this thread is coming back after a long, multi-year layoff, so I wouldn't be so quick to go for the torch and hacksaw. There are lots of folks who play in tune without cutting their Bachs. Before you cut the slides, I'd recommend this... Take your tuner and mouthpiece and buzz. Get it to the point where you hit the pitches well at least most of the time. Now plug the mouthpiece back into the horn, and play the same stuff you buzzed. Try to keep your chops feeling the same as when they were buzzing. Sometimes players switching to bass bone after years of tenor tend to relax too much, and not use enough air, and notes (especially low ones) tend to go flat then. Keep your lips flat, don't pucker up with the mpce., firm corners, and, as always, lots of air! If you try all that and it doesn't bring the pitch up, try your mpce. in a friend's horn, and have him try yours. You may find that it's still you and not the horn. Then, you might want to try different mpces. or leadpipes. Try the buzzing first, it's definitely cheaper than any other solution! Walter Barrett Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1948 Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 07:52:17 -0800 From: "Kathy-Green -TJ" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Conn Stroboconn Tuner Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit After what I said about religion and this listserv, I hope the list doesn't think this is off topic, but a few other musicians have wanted this and I'm willing to share. To make a very long story short, I found a local electronics repair person who was willing to tackle fixing a Conn Stroboconn Tuner (you know the old black two piece heavy monster) if I could find the schematics. I'm new at a high school with no tuner at all but this broken one. UMI has contracted with Petersen Electronics in New York, but you have to ship it there and enclose a purchase order for $650 (which is the cost if it needs to be completely rebuilt.) I found the "Operation and Service Manual" misfiled under stereo equipment (go figure). The electronic schematics are in it. A few other people have asked for Xerox copies of this manual, and I'm willing to share. The units haven't been made since the late 60's so I feel sure we are okay with the copyright laws here. There really isn't anything else that has been made since that is as good or durable as these tuners - although Peterson does now make a chromatic strobe at the cost of several thousand. I've almost been able to purchase working units for a few hundred, but either lost the bid or was 30 minutes too late in calling. Kathy Green ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1948 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:29:09 -0700 From: Steve Gamble To: "'wbarrett@bestweb.net'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Bach flat or is it me? Message-ID: <01C0927A.C21FC020.orchpers@azstarnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is exactly the advice I would give. It's all good--firm corners, no puckering, everything. Learn to buzz the correct pitches. If you buzz the correct pitch into your horn, the correct pitch comes out. After you have completely mastered the correct buzz concept, the only tinkering you should have to do with your horn would be for the purpose of making it easier to satisfy your musical desires. (Of course, this COULD include cutting the tuning slide along with a million other possible modifications.) One really great benefit of approaching pitch problems from the perspective of buzzing the correct pitch on your lips is how much easier it is to play in tune on a euphonium without the sensation of having to "bend" the pitch. Eliminating that bent pitch sound can really even out the tone color on any instrument. Again, if the right note goes in, the right note comes out. Happy hunting. Steve Gamble -----Original Message----- From: Walter Barrett [SMTP:wbarrett@bestweb.net] Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 8:40 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Bach flat or is it me? on 2/9/01 9:55 AM, Gabriel Langfur at glangfur@yahoo.com sent forth into the cosmos: > --- Craig Parmerlee wrote: >> >> I'm not familiar enough with the Bach numbers, but I assume the "t" >> is for >> Thayer. If you are playing on Thayers, you may not be getting enough >> >> resistance for your embouchure and physique. A tighter leadpipe or >> mouthpiece throat bore might balance things up a little better for >> you. > > I'd agree with this, definitely, but it has also been my experience, as > I said, that Bach instruments are too long overall for some players who > tend to play on the low side of the pitch, regardless of mouthpiece. > > You should see how much tuning slide Ron Barron had to have cut off of > his Bach 36! > > Gabe These are all good ideas, but let's remember that the person at the start of this thread is coming back after a long, multi-year layoff, so I wouldn't be so quick to go for the torch and hacksaw. There are lots of folks who play in tune without cutting their Bachs. Before you cut the slides, I'd recommend this... Take your tuner and mouthpiece and buzz. Get it to the point where you hit the pitches well at least most of the time. Now plug the mouthpiece back into the horn, and play the same stuff you buzzed. Try to keep your chops feeling the same as when they were buzzing. Sometimes players switching to bass bone after years of tenor tend to relax too much, and not use enough air, and notes (especially low ones) tend to go flat then. Keep your lips flat, don't pucker up with the mpce., firm corners, and, as always, lots of air! If you try all that and it doesn't bring the pitch up, try your mpce. in a friend's horn, and have him try yours. You may find that it's still you and not the horn. Then, you might want to try different mpces. or leadpipes. Try the buzzing first, it's definitely cheaper than any other solution! Walter Barrett Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1948 Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 16:36:10 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Bach flat or is it me? Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed You need to have the tuning slide & receiver shortened. Very simple for a decent repairperson. I had to do the same to my Bach, and so have many other people. I've had really good luck shorting the hand slide, on a couple of flat horns. Ask your repair person about that, as an alternative. It might be easier. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1948 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:52:58 -0700 From: Steve Gamble To: "'kgreen@fwsd.wednet.edu'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Conn Stroboconn Tuner Message-ID: <01C09286.77A13360.orchpers@azstarnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit These old tuners are fantastic for learning to play chords in tune and also for learning the correct sound of a scale that is actually played in the key for which it is named. For example, get together with 3 or 4 other players and one person play a Bb and see what the D window and F window look like. The D window will show flat and the F window will show slightly sharp. Now everyone choose a chord member and play. If the other players playing Bb's, D's and F's cause the windows to appear exactly the same as they did when just the Bb was sounding, the Bb major chord will be perfectly in tune. The object is to REMEMBER THAT SOUND, not what you did to get it. The same is true for scales. Play the tonic and see what the other notes in the scale look like. Play your scale adjusting the notes according to what the windows were telling you and you will have a scale that is actually in the tonic key. (OK all you mathematicians, leave your calculators in there cases. Music's about sound, not ratios.) [smiley here] Two other very important factors in achieving that glistening, in tune brass sound are uniform tone color and good balance. The Stroboconn can help with that too. The windows react to the strength of various overtones and also to volume. If the members of a trombone section are able to adjust their tone color and volume to match each other they will see that they cause the windows on the tuner to react in a more uniform way. And they will also hear that they sound even more in tune than they would if only the pitches were being adjusted correctly. This is obvious, but sometimes a visual comfirmation of what you are hearing is encouraging. (A former colleague of mine, Paul Johnson, a trumpet player no less, used to call this tone and balance approach to intonation "playing in tone." I've always found that terminology helpful.) I don't want to upset any of the folks out there that think tuners do more harm than good. So let me say that I agree there are plenty of wrong ways to use a tuner (and a metronome, for that matter). If you are using a tuner to tell you where to put the slide, you're doomed to frustration and you'll be a big pain in the behind to all the musicians around you. If you are using it as a tool to develop and refine your musical awareness (learning the SOUND of "in tune"), it will help you become able to fit in with and enhance any group of musicians. Steve Gamble -----Original Message----- From: Kathy-Green -TJ [SMTP:kgreen@fwsd.wednet.edu] Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 8:52 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Conn Stroboconn Tuner After what I said about religion and this listserv, I hope the list doesn't think this is off topic, but a few other musicians have wanted this and I'm willing to share. To make a very long story short, I found a local electronics repair person who was willing to tackle fixing a Conn Stroboconn Tuner (you know the old black two piece heavy monster) if I could find the schematics. I'm new at a high school with no tuner at all but this broken one. UMI has contracted with Petersen Electronics in New York, but you have to ship it there and enclose a purchase order for $650 (which is the cost if it needs to be completely rebuilt.) I found the "Operation and Service Manual" misfiled under stereo equipment (go figure). The electronic schematics are in it. A few other people have asked for Xerox copies of this manual, and I'm willing to share. The units haven't been made since the late 60's so I feel sure we are okay with the copyright laws here. There really isn't anything else that has been made since that is as good or durable as these tuners - although Peterson does now make a chromatic strobe at the cost of several thousand. I've almost been able to purchase working units for a few hundred, but either lost the bid or was 30 minutes too late in calling. Kathy Green ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1948 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:47:13 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: Interesting CNN.com NYPhil Stories Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" CNN will be profiling 10 New York Philharmonic members over the next few weeks. The first is flutist Mindy Kaufmann: http://www.cnn.com/2001/CAREER/trends/02/08/nyphil.flute/index.html Chris -- ________________________________________________ Chris Waage chris@trombone.org Associate Webmaster The Online Trombone Journal http://www.trombone.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1948 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:24:38 -0500 From: "Andrew Elms" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Bach 16m Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay.... The difference between .508 and .509 is insignificant. I'm willing to bet that if you measured a production run that you would have bores ranging from at least .505 to .511. Don't worry about it. I would only worry if you try to get a replacement leadpipe that's .500. That would make a bit of a difference. Andy -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Emil & Cynthia Orth Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 4:55 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Bach 16m Hey Bill, I also have a LT16M and have had the leadpipe replaced using a Bach part...is definately .509. Hope this helps! Regards, Emil ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1948 Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 14:28:58 -0500 From: "Thomas Smee" To: , Subject: RE: Bach flat or is it me? Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Good ideas to explore have been suggested for chops and air. If that doesn't work, remember that some mouthpieces go farther in the lead pipe than others or are longer than others. Also, the lead pipe could be a tiny bit smaller where the mpce. goes in. If this is an issue for you, a repair person can shave a bit off the mouthpiece so it goes farther in. This will change how it plays. I have found that, for some reason, it is a bit more free blowing with the mpce. farther in. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1948 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:04:47 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Alexander bass trumpet for sale Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I just noticed that Ebay has an Alexander 4 valve rotary bass trumpet in C for sale at: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1409039543 I know this instrument, actually used it for several years in the Boston Symphony on loan from a colleague. I gave it back to him when I started using the Yamaha prototype I currently use. A fine instrument - a REAL bass TRUMPET sound (not a valve trombone), especially good for Wagner. Michael Mulcahy of the Chicago Sym used Jay Friedman's Alexander bass trumpet on the Summit recording of bass trumpet excerpts. Happy bidding! -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1948 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:50:06 -0800 From: "Dennis Clason" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Bach 16m Message-ID: <001701c092e2$44234440$0d2b7b80@nmsu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Okay.... The difference between .508 and .509 is insignificant. You'd use a .508 o.d. leadpipe for a .509 i.d. bore, or (if your gear was capable of it), maybe .5086 or something. > I'm > willing to bet that if you measured a production run that you would > have bores ranging from at least .505 to .511. I doubt it. The presses and dies used for drawing tubing are a lot more stable than that. While V.B. was notorious for not throwing out tooling, the tubing diameter is pretty critical, and he knew that well. You know what they say -- a thousandth here, a thousandth there, pretty soon you're talking a real measurement. Dennis -- ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1948 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:51:29 EST From: DenBlose@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: "Don' Let the Sun Go Down" Message-ID: <42.108318ac.27b5c061@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_42.108318ac.27b5c061_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline Can anyone tell me which album Maynard Fergusson recorded Elton John's "Don't Let the Sun Go Down On Me"? ÊÊTrombone content: Êthe first verse is a trombone solo. Dennis ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1948 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:57:33 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Loewen To: Subject: Re: "Don' Let the Sun Go Down" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Feb 2001 DenBlose@aol.com wrote: > Can anyone tell me which album Maynard Fergusson recorded Elton John's "Don't > Let the Sun Go Down On Me"? Trombone content: the first verse is a > trombone solo. I've tried to find out the same thing over the years, to no avail. As far as I can tell, it may never have been recorded, with the possible exception of a TV special that I heard about in the mid '70s. I used to play it with our University jazz band. Mike Loewen mloewen@cpumagic.scol.pa.us The Dixie Lion Jazz Band http://ripsaw.cac.psu.edu/dixie.html ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1948 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 17:54:07 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Lee To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: silent brass mute for alto horn? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, Does anybody know if the Yamaha Silent Brass trombone mute can fit into an alto horn?? The bell size of a small-bore tenor is comparable to a typical alto horn and the taper isn't that far off. Anybody ever try this or know if this will work? Thanks. -Chris ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1948 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 19:52:16 -0500 (EST) From: Beth Lewis To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: It's that time of year... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi listers, I seem to have fallen victim to the cold season again. The trombone-related content is this: besides having to deal with the urge to cough every time I take a decent-sized breath and carrying kleenex with me everywhere I go, I can hardly hear myself play as a result of an ear infection I got because of the cold. I saw a health professional about it, but my sound still seems awful all the time (in varying degrees) as if I'm wearing ear plugs. Playing in ensembles is well, interesting. Does anyone, professionals in particular, have any advice for playing well when your tone sounds (to you alone) like you're in 6th grade again and you have almost no idea what dynamic you're playing? I've been recording myself practicing a lot (the only way to stay sane...), so I know this just has to do with the cold (ear infection actually). The only good thing about the situation is that I seem to be able to hear my own intonation SO much better (perhaps that would give the orchestra musicians demanding shields between them and the brass an alternative that might help their own playing...), but my inability to perceive how I balance with others (in sound and dynamics) is hard to deal with. Thoughts? How do pro's deal with this sort of thing? And does anyone know why this phenomenon occurs even if one just has one ear plug (ear infection, in my case)? Thanks, Beth Lewis ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1948 Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 18:10:26 -0700 From: Dave Tall To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: "Don' Let the Sun Go Down" Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010209181026.00a46c20@mail.sprintmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:57 PM 02/09/2001 -0500, Mike Loewen wrote: >On Fri, 9 Feb 2001 DenBlose@aol.com wrote: > >> Can anyone tell me which album Maynard Fergusson recorded Elton John's "Don't >> Let the Sun Go Down On Me"? Trombone content: the first verse is a >> trombone solo. Maynard never recorded this one! It's too bad; it's a great chart. I was lucky enough to hear Maynard's band play this live a couple of times in the '70s. Rick Sonntag's "Jazz Choice of the Week" site has available a streaming recording of the Philly TV show where the band played this chart. It's about 3/4 the way down the page of recordings. You can get there from http://members.bellatlantic.net/~rsonntag/JazzChoiceStartup.htm Dave Tall Bass Trombonist New Mexico Symphony ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1948 Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 21:01:35 -0500 From: Walter Barrett To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: It's that time of year... Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 2/9/01 7:52 PM, Beth Lewis at ealewis@indiana.edu sent forth into the cosmos: > I saw a health professional about > it, but my sound still seems awful all the time (in varying degrees) as if > I'm wearing ear plugs. Playing in ensembles is well, interesting. Does > anyone, professionals in particular, have any advice for playing well when > your tone sounds (to you alone) like you're in 6th grade again and you > have almost no idea what dynamic you're playing? I've been recording > myself practicing a lot (the only way to stay sane...), so I know this > just has to do with the cold (ear infection actually). The only good > thing about the situation is that I seem to be able to hear my own > intonation SO much better (perhaps that would give the orchestra musicians > demanding shields between them and the brass an alternative that might > help their own playing...), but my inability to perceive how I balance > with others (in sound and dynamics) is hard to deal with. Thoughts? How > do pro's deal with this sort of thing? And does anyone know why this > phenomenon occurs even if one just has one ear plug (ear infection, in my > case)? > > Thanks, > Beth Lewis > > Beth- I'm dealing with a case of strep right now that knocked me flat for two days, so I can relate. I don't have the plugged-up bit, but I do have the raw throat that precludes taking deep breaths for fear of starting a 45 second coughing fit. What I try to do (I don't always follow my own advice) is drink a lot of water, and eat soup, chicken or otherwise; I endorse Chinese hot-and-sour soup! Next, you've got to clear yourself out, so blow your nose at every chance. One of the reasons we produce all that mucous is that our body is trying to flush out the bad guys, so help it out by blowing. (I know it's gross, but you'll get used to it, especially once you've had kids...) Sleep with the clogged ear up, so gravity can help drain it. You might also stroke from your ear down to your neck, just behind your jawbone, in a downward motion. This sometimes helps clear out your eustachian tube (or is it tuba?). If you're in a situation where you can send a sub in without losing the gig, do it. If you're freelancing, it's probably best to bite the bullet and do the gig, contractors have short memories. Be honest with yourself; while the contractor may applaud your tenacity, he won't dig it if you spend half the gig hacking away instead of playing. Now's the time to concentrate on the physical sensations of playing, instead of the aural ones. You know what a forte Bb "feels" like, go with that. Use what hearing you do have to listen as best as possible for pitch and blend. Your tone isn't going to change because your ears are clogged; what's changed is your perception of your tone. So, ignore the lousy signal you ears are sending, go with the FEELINGS of open throat, big air, etc. Evelyn Glennie does ok with practically no hearing at all(actually, more than ok!), no reason WE can't deal with it for a few days! Walter Barrett Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1948 Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 21:11:23 -0500 From: Walter Barrett To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: It's that time of year... Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit One other thing I forgot... Balance- wise, It's okay to play a little softer. As far as I know, there have been very few documented complaints of trombonists playing too softly. If you're going to goof in dynamics, go for softer. Good advice for when we're not sick, too! I've only once (!) had a conductor keep asking for more; a crazy Russian guy in Brooklyn. Surprised us to no end; the second told me after "I've never played that loud in my life!" For the record, it WAS fun... (Disclaimer- this man is a trained professional, don't you kids try this at home!) Walter Barrett Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1948 Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 21:49:14 -0600 From: William Dinwiddie To: Trombone-L Subject: Brookmeyer on JJ Message-ID: <3A84BA3A.80C4F1D2@mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Go to this site for interesting comments by Brookmeyer regarding JJ, getting older, etc. Pure Brookmeyer, salty but good. http://www.gmn.com/story.asp?ms=3&id=14939&src=9010 Bill Dinwiddie ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1948 Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 19:56:30 -0800 From: David Leep To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Conn Stroboconn Tuner Message-ID: <3A84BBEE.299BEDA2@qwest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm glad to hear good things about this old "heavy monster." I got to fix one for my high-school band director in the middle 60's. (No schematic, but not too hard to figure out. That one just needed the neon lamp replaced. Since neon lamps typically wear out sooner than the other parts in that set, that would be about the first thing I would check, especially if the wheel spins in the window but there's no orange glow.) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1948 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 22:18:06 -0600 From: "Dean McCarty" To: "Trombones and related issues forum" Subject: Bonetown at TMEA Message-ID: <01d201c09318$78eefbc0$c40960cc@compaqcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01CF_01C092E6.2D1ECAE0" Hello list: I've just gotten back from our clinic/concert at the Texas Music Educators' Conference. I am happy to report to all of you that it was a HUGE success. Our clinic was at 8:00 AM (argh!) but we had what I would estimate to be about 300+ people in attendance. Our group (myself and fellow L member Wayne Dyess, Don Marchand, Russ Schultz and Tim McMillen) did three bone band charts and then Bill Reichenbach and Michael Davis played the second half. We then ended with our group, plus some guests (Alvin Lockhart, Kevin Saunders, and Brenda Zesserman) with "Big Pig" off of the Bonetown recording. It was a blast and both Bill and Michael are not only great players but fine people. If you get a chance to get to hear the Bonetown tour, go.... it'sÊa must! Dean McCarty freelance trombonist, Houston area ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1948 Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 06:12:19 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: It's that time of year... Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html >And does anyone know why this >phenomenon occurs even if one just has one ear plug (ear infection, in my >case)? I believe·oops. I mean, I think that there are two things happening, here. First, hearing has a sort of automatic gain control. That is, when there are loud sounds present, quiet sounds can go unnoticed, but in the absence of loud sounds, those soft wounds are easily heard. So, when your ears are plugged, you still hear the trombone because of sound conduction in your flesh and bones. Only it seems louder, in the absence of other loud sounds. DanP Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1948--