TROMBONE-L Digest 1946 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) A humbling experience by "Dean McCarty" 2) JJ appreciation in NY Times by Douglas Yeo 3) RE: practice mute by Steve Gamble 4) "Four of a Kind" in Concert by Bollinger1@aol.com 5) RE: practice mute by Chris Waage 6) Re: musicians never die by jimandcat@juno.com 7) J.J. by William Dinwiddie 8) Re: Religion and JJ by "Neal Schermerhorn" 9) Re: Sound Shields by "Brad Howland" 10) Fw: J. J. Johnson's passing. by "Phil Burton" 11) New Conn 62-H by "Denver D. Seifried" 12) Re: Speaking of mutes by Tim Dowling 13) J.J. Johnson- a clarification by "Christopher Smith" 14) Excellent website by "Phil Burton" 15) RE: J.J. Johnson- a clarification by "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" 16) Trombone Content - was religion by "Steve Beck" 17) Trad. Jazz Sheet Music by "Carpenter, Norm" 18) Re: Trombone Content - was religion by "Jeffrey Diehl" 19) Re: Trombone Content - was religion by "Phil Burton" 20) Re: J.J. Johnson- a clarification by "Richard Zemry Johnson" 21) Re: New Conn 62-H by "Dean McCarty" 22) Re: Jazz concert by "Richard Zemry Johnson" 23) RE: practice mute by "Jim Dexter" 24) Re: New Conn 62-H by "Dilshad Kasmani" 25) J.J. remembered on NPR by David Burch 26) RE: Memories of J.J. by "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> 27) FOR SALE: Edwards/Bach Bass on Ebay by "Todd Hershberger" 28) Doug Yeo Bass Trombone Mouthpiece measurements by "Kevan Lomas" 29) J.J. by William Dinwiddie 30) Re: Doug Yeo Bass Trombone Mouthpiece measurements by Chris Waage 31) J.J. by William Dinwiddie 32) Degrees... by Beth Lewis 33) Re: Degrees... by "Jeff Albert" 34) Re: Degrees... by "Dave Wank" 35) J.J. recordings featured on my radio show 2/7/01 by Doug Crane 36) Re: Trombone Content - was religion by "Adrian Drover" 37) Elliott Mpc For Sale by "Dilshad Kasmani" 38) Teaching rewards by "Paul D. Kemp Jr." 39) Used CDs by Stan Brager 40) RE: Sound Shields by Steve Gamble 41) Ken Burns series: The Atlantic Online by "Holst, Bill" 42) Re: New Conn 62-H by emrose79@pacbell.net 43) Re: New Conn 62-H by "Rod Ellard" 44) RE: Sound Shields by "Daniel Pliskin" 45) Dependent valves (yet again!) by Gabriel Langfur 46) Re: Dependent valves (yet again!) by Chris Waage 47) Ear plugs, was Sound Shields by "Jeff Albert" 48) Mouthpieces and Edwards sterling leadpipe for sale by "John Olsson" 49) UNT Trombone Department Web Site by "bassbone" 50) Book price (The Tuba Family) by Joseph Green 51) Kennedy Center audition by Dave Tall 52) J.J. by MMBNo1@aol.com 53) Re: Book price (The Tuba Family) by "Chuck De Paolo" 54) FS: Pro-tec trombone case by Beth Lewis 55) Wanted Old (broken) Hamilton Bone Stands by "Kevin Saunders" 56) Re: J.J. Johnson- a clarification by Douglas Yeo 57) Re: J.J. Johnson- a clarification by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 58) Love Crucified a Rose by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 59) KUVO-fm Denver by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 60) Re: Love Crucified a Rose by "Tom Izzo" 61) Re: Love Crucified a Rose by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 62) Re: Love Crucified Arose by Neobopr@aol.com 63) Re: Love Crucified a Rose by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 64) Re: Love Crucified Arose by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 65) Re: J.J. Johnson- a clarification by Craig Parmerlee 66) Re: J.J. Johnson- a clarification by "Lisa & Patrick Bates" 67) jazz concert by "Steve Cagle" 68) RE: New Conn 62-H by "Gary Greenhoe" 69) RE: Dependent valves (yet again!) by "Gary Greenhoe" 70) Re: J.J. recordings featured on my radio show 2/7/01 by David Oliver 71) Re: Kennedy Center audition by Jay Heltzer 72) Nielsen Flute Concerto by JennWhaa@aol.com 73) Valve trombone - BOSTON brand. by "Tim Nichols" 74) Bach 16m by "william j. blair" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 06:52:44 -0600 From: "Dean McCarty" To: "Trombones and related issues forum" Subject: A humbling experience Message-ID: <008701c0903b$b66f6dc0$df0960cc@compaqcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0082_01C09009.68755800" I must share with all of you what a wonderful evening I had last night. As some of you may remember Wayne Dyess and I are involved with a master class for the Texas Music Educator's Conference this coming Friday. Well, we had a run-through last night with Bill Reichenbach and Michael Davis, and MAN! I have always admired Bill's playing, but I can honestly say that I have never heard the bass trombone played the way that he played it last night. Michael was also amazing... effortless and so fluid!Ê If you get a chance to hear the "Bonetown" tour go... it is amazing. If any of you happen to be attending TMEA this week our clinic will be on Friday morning at 8:00 AM (check your program for the room... I think that it is CC216, but double check). Our "Bonified Bone Band" will perform a few charts, then Bill and Michael will perform for about 30 minutes. Bring your trombone because at the end we will invite all who want to to play a trombone choir piece with tenor and bass solo (Michael and Bill, of course). Dean McCarty freelance trombonist, Houston area ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 08:37:19 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: JJ appreciation in NY Times Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" The New York Times carries an appreciate of JJ Johnson in the "Arts" section today, available on the web at: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/06/arts/06JOHN.html -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 07:17:56 -0700 From: Steve Gamble To: "'James W. Yardley'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: practice mute Message-ID: <01C0900C.EDEFD8E0.orchpers@azstarnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James, I recently acquired a Wallace mute from Osmun. It works a little better in my tenor than my bass. But I think that it still works pretty well for bass trombone. I have a Bach 9.5 inch bell. If my bass bell were any larger, I think the mute wouldn't fit. If you're concerned with pitch, this could be a problem as the mute goes far into the bell. (I suppose this problem could be corrected by replacing the cork with a fatter one. But it probably wouldn't fit well into a small bore bell any longer.) Even with that, my opinion of the Wallace mute is quite favorable because of how free blowing it is. Back in my touring days, I regularly used a harmon mute as a practice mute. (When I wanted the mute to be even quieter, I wadded up a piece of cloth and put it over the hole in front and secured it with a rubber band.) This worked very well and I never got any complaints from the hotel managers. I learned of the Wallace mute from the trombone list and finally broke down and purchased one to see if it was better than the harmon mute. It was interesting to see that the Wallace mute is constructed very similarly to a harmon (with the stem in all the way and no little "bell" in front). It is quieter than the harmon and the range is really quite good. If you need a practice mute primarily for bass trombone, there might be a better way to go than buying a Wallace mute, unless you want to do a little customizing of the cork. Give the harmon mute idea a try. If it is too stuffy in the low register, extend the stem into your bell a little bit by rolling up a piece of stiff paper and inserting it into the end of the stem that goes into your bell. Experiment by moving the roll of paper in or out to find just the right length for the widest range. Steve Gamble -----Original Message----- From: James W. Yardley [SMTP:yardlejw@uwec.edu] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 3:21 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: practice mute Does anyone know of a dealer in the U.S. that sells the Wallace practice mute? Or do you have to get them directly from the the company? Also, I've heard that they do work on bass trombones and that they don't work on bass trombones. Any opinions? Thanks for your help. James Yardley Bass Trombone ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:19:44 EST From: Bollinger1@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: "Four of a Kind" in Concert Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please forward this to anyone who might be interested. Thanks, Blair Bollinger What: "FOUR OF A KIND" Trombone Quartet in Concert When: Sat and Sun March 10 and 11, 2001 Where: near Philadelphia (details below) FOUR OF A KIND is a unique collection of four of America's best trombonists. The members are JOSEPH ALESSI, Principal Trombone, New York Philharmonic; SCOTT HARTMAN, Trombone Faculty, Boston University; MARK LAWRENCE, Principal Trombone, San Francisco Symphony and BLAIR BOLLINGER, Bass Trombone, Philadelphia Orchestra. The group was formed in 1991 for the purpose of making the recording "Four of a Kind". FOUR OF A KIND made it's public debut in Tokyo in August 1998 as part of a Japanese tour and has appeared at the 1999 International Trombone Festival and Trombone Day at the Mannes College in New York City. They will make a new CD in March 2001. FOUR OF A KIND performs a diverse repretoire from Bach transcriptions to original works for trombones to jazz arrangements. Concert #1 Saturday, March 10, 2001 7:30pm St. Mary's Episcopal Church Wayne, PA For more info contact: Gordon Turk gturkpipes@aol.com 610.688.1313 ------------------------------ Concert #2 Sunday, March 11, 2001 7:00pm Academy of the New Church Benade Hall Bryn Athyn, PA For more info contact: Reuben Bell RPBell@newchurch.edu 215.914.2984 ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 08:27:17 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: RE: practice mute Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I did a review of the Wallace for the Online Trombone Journal. I tried it with both a Bach 42BO and an older (mid-60s) Bach 50B3, as well as a newer (mid-80s) Bach 50B3OG, a Conn Connstellation, and a Yamaha .508 tenor. It worked well in all, but there is a noticeable pitch shift as you go lower on the bass. It goes sharp, but not as bad as the other practice mutes I have used. One nice advantage to the Wallace with a bass trombone is that it fits almost flush in the bell, so I am able to keep it with my bass trombone all the time. Chris James, I recently acquired a Wallace mute from Osmun. It works a little better in my tenor than my bass. But I think that it still works pretty well for bass trombone. I have a Bach 9.5 inch bell. If my bass bell were any larger, I think the mute wouldn't fit. If you're concerned with pitch, this could be a problem as the mute goes far into the bell. (I suppose this problem could be corrected by replacing the cork with a fatter one. But it probably wouldn't fit well into a small bore bell any longer.) Even with that, my opinion of the Wallace mute is quite favorable because of how free blowing it is. Back in my touring days, I regularly used a harmon mute as a practice mute. (When I wanted the mute to be even quieter, I wadded up a piece of cloth and put it over the hole in front and secured it with a rubber band.) This worked very well and I never got any complaints from the hotel managers. I learned of the Wallace mute from the trombone list and finally broke down and purchased one to see if it was better than the harmon mute. It was interesting to see that the Wallace mute is constructed very similarly to a harmon (with the stem in all the way and no little "bell" in front). It is quieter than the harmon and the range is really quite good. If you need a practice mute primarily for bass trombone, there might be a better way to go than buying a Wallace mute, unless you want to do a little customizing of the cork. Give the harmon mute idea a try. If it is too stuffy in the low register, extend the stem into your bell a little bit by rolling up a piece of stiff paper and inserting it into the end of the stem that goes into your bell. Experiment by moving the roll of paper in or out to find just the right length for the widest range. Steve Gamble -----Original Message----- From: James W. Yardley [SMTP:yardlejw@uwec.edu] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 3:21 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: practice mute Does anyone know of a dealer in the U.S. that sells the Wallace practice mute? Or do you have to get them directly from the the company? Also, I've heard that they do work on bass trombones and that they don't work on bass trombones. Any opinions? Thanks for your help. James Yardley Bass Trombone -- ________________________________________________ Chris Waage chris@trombone.org Associate Webmaster The Online Trombone Journal http://www.trombone.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 06:59:02 -0800 From: jimandcat@juno.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Cc: yardlejw@uwec.edu Subject: Re: musicians never die Message-ID: <20010206.065903.-468729.2.Jimandcat@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_39db.4b66.04fb On Sun, 4 Feb 2001 15:18:16 -0600 James Yardley wrote: >>>...I don't remember who said it, but I think we should remember that "Musicians never die, they just go from bar to bar...<<< ======================= No disrespect to your sentiment on the Great JJ's passing, which I share, but your old quote reminded me of another. (A friend of mine who "retired" himself from Principal to Second in a major orchestra said about this one, "Too true to be funny.") Quote: "Trombonists never die, they just lose their positions." Jim Prindle ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 10:40:40 -0600 From: William Dinwiddie To: Trombone-L Subject: J.J. Message-ID: <3A802908.A07DB775@mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Several major print publications have now recognized J.J. in stories and obituaries. There are pieces in the Indianapolis Star , the Chcago Tribune , and, as Doug mentioned, the New York Times I talked to the editor of the American Federation of Musician's newspaper, the "International Musician" about running a memorial piece about J.J., but got a rather cold reception. She told me that they don't run obituaries any more, bur prefer to "look toward the future". Even after I explained J.J.'s importance to the musical world she said there could be no exceptions. This seems a rather odd position for a "professional musician's journal" to take, but then, Union policy was never easy to understand. I have E-mailable copies of the three obits listed above if you can't find them at the paper's websites. I will be willing to send them to anyone who is interested. Be well, Bill Dinwiddie bill752@mediaone.net ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:04:14 -0500 From: "Neal Schermerhorn" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Re: Religion and JJ Message-ID: <006201c09067$3ab8e180$0101a8c0@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have resisted posting in this decidedly off-topic thread, but here I go... There are people on this list who are very religious and want to spread the word of their Lord and Savior. There are folks here who are devout but feel it is appropriate to keep it to themselves. There are people here who have religious beliefs which greatly differ from the mainstream Christian beliefs. There are folks who admit an unsureness that any religion speaks to them. And then there are folks like me, "confirmed" athiests who live entirely secularly. Someone recently posted "My belief holds that the Holy Spirit will work in people's hearts and I am simply there for the Holy Spirit to use if He desires. If you do not believe what I believe, I do not feel like I have failed, but rather that the Holy Spirit hasn't brought you to that place yet." That is noble, but in my eye the poster is bamboozled and has been taken. Which of us is right? I believe I am, the other poster believes he is. We base our belief on separate lines of thinking, but we both can't be right. If any Christians were even remotely put off by my comments, then you have a taste of what it's like for non-Christians every day of their lives. Please respect that, and keep religious discussions off trombone mailing lists. Certainly mentioning the use of trombones in churches is acceptable, as is describing work in a church. I have been paid by churches, and see no problem in bringing these things up so long as it is GERMANE to the discussion. The recent spate of religious posts is way off topic, and I hope this is the last one. Maybe we all miss JJ too much. BTW when I was at Berklee in the 80's JJ did a clinic, I did not get to play but wow was it impressive to listen to him. What a knowledgeable, talented and great man we've lost - thank goodness we have recordings. Neal Schermerhorn ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 10:21:54 -0800 From: "Brad Howland" To: "Trombone-L" Subject: Re: Sound Shields Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many thanks to all those who responded to my request for information regarding sound shields. I confess that I was looking for an easy answer--actual numbers written down in another orchestra's master agreement regarding distance and size--which I could take to our management (with a flourish) and say "Here, let's do this"! It appears that most orchestras have refrained from putting a specific policy in their contract in favour of good, old-fashioned compromise & understanding. Regards, Brad Howland ----------------------------------------------------------------- Trombone, Web Design, Income Tax, Brass Music "Specialization is for insects." ...Robert Heinlein E Mail: bradhowland@netzero.net or bhowland@islandnet.com Web Site: http://www.musicforbrass.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 11:18:10 -0700 From: "Phil Burton" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." , Subject: Fw: J. J. Johnson's passing. Message-ID: <053701c09069$2a806fc0$492a1418@grtfls1.mt.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Below is a copy of an e-mail I just sent to the AFM president, and his Executive Secretary, Please join me in this campaign, to honor JJ. You have my expressed permission to forward as is, or edit as you see appropriate. Phil Burton JJ fan since 1956 ----------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Burton" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 11:04 AM Subject: J. J. Johnson's passing. > To: Mr. Steve Young, > International President > American Federation of Musicians > > Dear Mr. Young, > > I understand that the official policy of the AFM is to only list the > obituary of members who have recently died. I agree with the premise that > the AFM should be interested in looking ahead to the future of our > organization, and it's membership. > > However, I believe that the recent death of Mr. J. J. Johnson, warrants an > exception to this policy. > > He was to the Jazz trombonist as Charlie Parker was to the Saxophone, and > Louis Armstrong, and Miles Davis were to the Trumpet. > > He deserves recognition by the AFM, for his enormous contribution to > musicians. I do not nor do many many others, know why his contribution > was not noted in the recent PBS documentary by Ken Burns, "JAZZ". A tribute > to his life and career, will enable the AFM to rectify this serious error of > omission. > > As proof of his importance to all musicians, trombonists in particular, > please visit the following site where at last count there are over 25 pages > of comments about his life and contribution to the music scene in America. > (I might add, this site has only been up since Sunday evening, 02/04/2001. > This temporary site will be available for viewing until Sunday Feb 11th. > > http://www.trombone.org > > Please help in making his presence in the music community, a notable and > memorable one. > > > Thank you very much, > > > Phillip R. Burton, Jr. > Local 642, > Helena Montana > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:57:26 -0500 From: "Denver D. Seifried" To: "trombone-l" Subject: New Conn 62-H Message-ID: <000f01c0906e$e3586fc0$927f5acf@jay> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Have any list members heard any information from UMI-Conn concerning when the new Conn Bass Trombone, patterned after the old 62-H, will hit the marketplace? Maybe our Texas list-members like Dean and Wayne can get some information at TMEA, from UMI and Bill Reichenbach. Wish I could leave this Ohio snow behind and head to Texas to hear Bonetown & Bonified Bonetown; however, the SSO has Doc Severinson in for a concert on Friday & Saturday. I bet you Texans will be in for a real treat! Good luck Wayne & Dean! Denny Seifried Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Symphony & Dayton Jazz Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 21:37:19 +0100 From: Tim Dowling To: TSMee@dwpv.com, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Speaking of mutes Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010206213719.007c7100@pop.cablewanadoo.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Glad that Tom Smee mentions the Engemann mutes. These are really fantastic wooden straight mutes, that have a very characteristic and penetrating sound. We bought a set of them for the orchestra, particularly to be used with our German trombones. But also for passages where metal mutes don't seem so appropriate. I can't recommend them highly enough. Especially since they dont seem to back up in the lower registers. They are also extremely light, and make a rather pleasant "poonck" when accidentally dropped. Unfortunately they bounce a little longer than Jo Rals. But, if you regularly drop your mutes, Engemann is for you! There is a website for these mutes http://www.engemann-mutes.com/ Tim Dowling Residentie Orchestra The Hague At 18:25 02/05/01 -0500, Thomas Smee wrote: >I noticed at the Osmun web site that they sell Engeman mutes, which are very nice looking wooden mutes. I bought one last summer from Thein for a contra only because it played all over the contra, including way down there, with no issues at all (Max Thein had drilled four relatively small holes in it near the bottom). In short, I freely admit that I bought it because it pushed the 'neat gadget' button of my typically male mind, not because I thought I had any particular use for it. Has anyone in the Boston area tried the tenor or bass trombone versions of this mute? Here's the link with a picture: > >http://store.yahoo.com/omi/enbastrommut.html > > > Fam. Dowling (please note our new email address) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 20:43:12 -0000 From: "Christopher Smith" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu, jjlist@yahoogroups.com Subject: J.J. Johnson- a clarification Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi, I think it is unfortunate that the word "suicide" is being used in mentions of J.J. Johnson's passing, because of the connotations and questions it brings to mind for everyone who hears it. Foremost: Why would he do such a thing? I know from personal communications with J.J. over the past few years that he was battling an aggressive form of cancer and a few other painful, trying health problems. I also understand that in recent months J.J. was very limited in his movement and could not even sit upright at the computer (which he loved to work at). His life had become that of an unwilling couch potato. For someone like J.J., who lived life with vitality and gusto (writing music and practicing until near the end), to be struck down with these various insidious afflictions is a horrible tragedy, to me. My feeling about his passing (and I don't know the specifics) is that he came to a point in life where the pain and suffering were too much to go on. And I know he perservered for a good couple of years after being diagnosed with cancer. J.J. took his own life. He was also in great suffering and probably on the road to an unpleasant end. Anyone who judges him on the manner of his exit from this earth cannot possibly imagine the position he was in. We do not know any other circumstances (nor should we, really), so I believe that no assumptions or inferences should be made. J.J. loved his wife and family. He loved life. Everyone who ever came into contact with J.J. Johnson knows that he was one of the most positive, generous and caring people on the planet. Among his fellow jazz musicians he was universally respected as a decent man and consummate professional. May he rest in peace. I loved the man. Chris Smith www.geocities.com/~christo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:56:37 -0700 From: "Phil Burton" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." , Subject: Excellent website Message-ID: <059601c0907f$4c867360$492a1418@grtfls1.mt.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just spent a couple hours at the following website. Truly an enjoyable experience. If you will go to the following website, you can view excerpts of an interview with JJ that was done in 1999 I believe. There are links to the right of his picture, click on the "watch video". These clips, simply say it all regarding this fine person. http://www.gmn.com/artists/artist.asp?id=2040 ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:08:15 -0600 From: "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" To: "'cdsmith68@hotmail.com'" , "'Trombone-L (List)'" Subject: RE: J.J. Johnson- a clarification Message-ID: <587F49FABBEDD411A68F00A0C9EA313B5FC84A@DASMTHKHN561.AMEDD.ARMY.MIL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Chris: Nicely put, your love for JJ is obvious in your words. I have had the privilege of watching many people suffer with chronic pain and disability, watching this process rob them one by one of all that they value in life, but living itself. I believe your comments & information will help others with less experience understand a little better. May we all be granted kindness and forgiveness in death. Rick Marple San Antonio TX -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Smith [mailto:cdsmith68@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 2:43 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: J.J. Johnson- a clarification Hi, I think it is unfortunate that the word "suicide" is being used in mentions of J.J. Johnson's passing, because of the connotations and questions it brings to mind for everyone who hears it. Foremost: Why would he do such a thing? I know from personal communications with J.J. over the past few years that he was battling an aggressive form of cancer and a few other painful, trying health problems. I also understand that in recent months J.J. was very limited in his movement and could not even sit upright at the computer (which he loved to work at). His life had become that of an unwilling couch potato. For someone like J.J., who lived life with vitality and gusto (writing music and practicing until near the end), to be struck down with these various insidious afflictions is a horrible tragedy, to me. My feeling about his passing (and I don't know the specifics) is that he came to a point in life where the pain and suffering were too much to go on. And I know he perservered for a good couple of years after being diagnosed with cancer. J.J. took his own life. He was also in great suffering and probably on the road to an unpleasant end. Anyone who judges him on the manner of his exit from this earth cannot possibly imagine the position he was in. We do not know any other circumstances (nor should we, really), so I believe that no assumptions or inferences should be made. J.J. loved his wife and family. He loved life. Everyone who ever came into contact with J.J. Johnson knows that he was one of the most positive, generous and caring people on the planet. Among his fellow jazz musicians he was universally respected as a decent man and consummate professional. May he rest in peace. I loved the man. Chris Smith www.geocities.com/~christo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:38:00 -0500 From: "Steve Beck" To: "Trombone-l" Subject: Trombone Content - was religion Message-ID: <002801c09085$15e73d20$03310923@cl.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, I have an idea. Lets make a trombone list where we will discuss trombone related issues. Religion won't be a problem because, not being about trombones, it won't even come up. Well, Church gigs will I hope. There are all kinds of places to discuss all kinds of things. This is the trombone list. How many duhs do I have to put after that? Mandatory religious content - God I hope this thread stops. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 17:35:41 -0500 From: "Carpenter, Norm" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Trad. Jazz Sheet Music Message-ID: <43190586F90AD211899D00A0C9C85DBB05A4CDFA@excuswa001.americas.unity> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0908D.234E55FE" Hi, I'm looking for some additional charts for a Dixieland band I play in (at least one Trombone in the group). I'm having a hard time finding what I need. Any suggestions? Thanks, NormÊCarpenter ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 17:47:45 -0500 From: "Jeffrey Diehl" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Trombone Content - was religion Message-ID: <003d01c0908e$d4e7f120$55380941@gambrills1.md.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Beck" > Hey, I have an idea. Lets make a trombone list where we will discuss trombone related issues. Here we go again! Every so often, someone puts forth an idea that the trombone-l should be devoted to ideas and issues concerning the trombone. The trouble is, once that gets started, where does it end? Someone starts asking about a mouthpiece, a particular size of bore, or an arrangement, or a piece of literature - it snowballs quickly, and there's just no stopping it. Let's confine the subjects presented here to politics, religion, and the like; and save those inappropriate "trombone" comments for a more suitable forum. Just in fun, but I've probably offended someone anyway! Oh, yes, the mandatory content: I play the "trombone". Oh no! One of those inappropriate comments. I did it myself! Jeff Diehl ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:51:24 -0700 From: "Phil Burton" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Trombone Content - was religion Message-ID: <072301c0908f$55655040$492a1418@grtfls1.mt.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is always "slide lube" for an idea?? ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:54:22 -0600 From: "Richard Zemry Johnson" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: J.J. Johnson- a clarification Message-ID: <001801c08fc6$970a38e0$a8ce4fd8@zemry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris: I never personally knew J.J. except through his posting on his newslist and my e-mail exchange with him to autograph his biography for me and of course his music. However, I got the impression that J.J. was a very self-sufficient man who cared deeply for his family. I believe that he did not want to burden his family with having to take care of him. Moreoever, I understand from Robin Eubank's posting in his section on www,jazzcorner.com that J.J. suffered from a spinal cord disorder at the end. It was not specified what the spinal cord disorder was only that it had basically immobilized him. Having had a father die from Lou Gehrig's disease, a neurological disorder, I can understand J.J. wanting to spare himself and his family the suffering that such an ailment causes. His decision was not an illogical one. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Smith" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 2:43 PM Subject: J.J. Johnson- a clarification > Hi, > > I think it is unfortunate that the word "suicide" is being used in mentions > of J.J. Johnson's passing, because of the connotations and questions it > brings to mind for everyone who hears it. > Foremost: Why would he do such a thing? > > I know from personal communications with J.J. over the past few years that > he was battling an aggressive form of cancer and a few other painful, trying > health problems. I also understand that in recent months J.J. was very > limited in his movement and could not even sit upright at the computer > (which he loved to work at). His life had become that of an unwilling couch > potato. > > For someone like J.J., who lived life with vitality and gusto (writing music > and practicing until near the end), to be struck down with these various > insidious afflictions is a horrible tragedy, to me. > My feeling about his passing (and I don't know the specifics) is that he > came to a point in life where the pain and suffering were too much to go on. > And I know he perservered for a good couple of years after being diagnosed > with cancer. > > J.J. took his own life. He was also in great suffering and probably on the > road to an unpleasant end. Anyone who judges him on the manner of his exit > from this earth cannot possibly imagine the position he was in. > We do not know any other circumstances (nor should we, really), so I believe > that no assumptions or inferences should be made. > > J.J. loved his wife and family. He loved life. Everyone who ever came into > contact with J.J. Johnson knows that he was one of the most positive, > generous and caring people on the planet. Among his fellow jazz musicians he > was universally respected as a decent man and consummate professional. > > May he rest in peace. I loved the man. > > Chris Smith > > www.geocities.com/~christo > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:59:49 -0600 From: "Dean McCarty" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: New Conn 62-H Message-ID: <001101c09090$84c3f8e0$cd0960cc@compaqcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I did talk with Bill about his new prototype 62. I did not get a chance last night to try it out but when we get together again this Friday I will get to. I will say that he sounded great on it. The instrument is a dual/dependent valved instrument in F and D. Bill says that it has the best slide that he has ever played on. It does not have the tuning on the slide like the original 62-H. It has a yellow brass 9.5" bell. He did not know when they would be in production however. Dean McCarty freelance trombonist, Houston area ----- Original Message ----- From: Denver D. Seifried To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 12:57 PM Subject: New Conn 62-H > Have any list members heard any information from UMI-Conn concerning when > the new Conn Bass Trombone, patterned after the old 62-H, will hit the > marketplace? Maybe our Texas list-members like Dean and Wayne can get some > information at TMEA, from UMI and Bill Reichenbach. > > Wish I could leave this Ohio snow behind and head to Texas to hear Bonetown > & Bonified Bonetown; however, the SSO has Doc Severinson in for a concert on > Friday & Saturday. I bet you Texans will be in for a real treat! Good luck > Wayne & Dean! > > Denny Seifried > Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Symphony & Dayton Jazz Orchestra > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:56:23 -0600 From: "Richard Zemry Johnson" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Jazz concert Message-ID: <004d01c08fc6$e035e960$a8ce4fd8@zemry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004A_01C08F94.923BD3A0" Only 50 miles from Natchitoches, Steve. I'll see you there! ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Cagle To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 4:58 PM Subject: Jazz concert For interested people in the north LA area, Maynard Ferguson will be at Northwest Louisiana University Tuesday night. He will come on at 8:00. The NSU jazz band will play at 7:00. Tickets are $10.00. He will have his Big Bop Nouveau Band with him, 3 trumpets, 1 bone and 2 saxes plus rhythm section. I will be there to enjoy a night of great jazz. Steve Cagle Family Church Instrumental Director Twin Cities Community Band ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 18:37:26 -0500 From: "Jim Dexter" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: practice mute Message-ID: <20010206233720.LPEX29776.femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com@c1259085-a> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I know a trumpet player who uses a "whisper mute". It is indeed a whisper, and according to him, very free blowing. I have a Dennis Wick practice mute, and it seems too loud for me to use in the house late at night (seems to be the only time to practice lately). Can someone advise me if whisper mutes are available for t-bone, and/or whether either that or a Wallace mute would be more advantageous? Compared to the Wick? Thanks Jim Dexter On 6 Feb 01, at 8:27, Chris Waage wrote: > I did a review of the Wallace for the Online Trombone Journal. I > tried it with both a Bach 42BO and an older (mid-60s) Bach 50B3, as well > as a newer (mid-80s) Bach 50B3OG, a Conn Connstellation, and a Yamaha > .508 tenor. It worked well in all, but there is a noticeable pitch > shift as you go lower on the bass. It goes sharp, but not as bad as the > other practice mutes I have used. > > One nice advantage to the Wallace with a bass trombone is that it > fits almost flush in the bell, so I am able to keep it with my bass > trombone all the time. > > Chris > > > > >James, > > > >I recently acquired a Wallace mute from Osmun. It works a little > >better in my tenor than my bass. But I think that it still works > >pretty well for bass trombone. I have a Bach 9.5 inch bell. If my > >bass bell were any larger, I think the mute wouldn't fit. If you're > >concerned with pitch, this could be a problem as the mute goes far into > >the bell. (I suppose this problem could be corrected by replacing the > >cork with a fatter one. > > But it probably wouldn't fit well into a small bore bell any longer.) > > Even with that, my opinion of the Wallace mute is quite favorable > > because > >of how free blowing it is. > > > >Back in my touring days, I regularly used a harmon mute as a practice > >mute. > > (When I wanted the mute to be even quieter, I wadded up a piece of > > cloth > >and put it over the hole in front and secured it with a rubber band.) > >This worked very well and I never got any complaints from the hotel > >managers. I learned of the Wallace mute from the trombone list and > >finally broke down and purchased one to see if it was better than the > >harmon mute. It was interesting to see that the Wallace mute is > >constructed very similarly to a harmon (with the stem in all the way > >and no little "bell" in front). It is quieter than the harmon and the > >range is really quite good. If you need a practice mute primarily for > >bass trombone, there might be a better way to go than buying a Wallace > >mute, unless you want to do a little customizing of the cork. Give the > >harmon mute idea a try. If it is too stuffy in the low register, > >extend the stem into your bell a little bit by rolling up a piece of > >stiff paper and inserting it into the end of the stem that goes into > >your bell. Experiment by moving the roll of paper in or out to find > >just the right length for the widest range. > > > >Steve Gamble > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: James W. Yardley [SMTP:yardlejw@uwec.edu] > >Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 3:21 PM > >To: Trombones and related issues forum. > >Subject: practice mute > > > >Does anyone know of a dealer in the U.S. that sells the Wallace > >practice mute? Or do you have to get them directly from the the > >company? Also, I've heard that they do work on bass trombones and that > >they don't work on bass trombones. Any opinions? Thanks for your > >help. > > > >James Yardley > >Bass Trombone > > -- > ________________________________________________ > Chris Waage chris@trombone.org > Associate Webmaster The Online Trombone Journal > http://www.trombone.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 06:08:43 -0800 From: "Dilshad Kasmani" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: New Conn 62-H Message-ID: <025601c09046$52159330$8119fea9@zrrs1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The UMI rep at the Houston Bonetown concert/clinic told me that production was expected to start on March 1st. The retail price will be in the mid-$3k range. dk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denver D. Seifried" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 10:57 AM Subject: New Conn 62-H > Have any list members heard any information from UMI-Conn concerning when > the new Conn Bass Trombone, patterned after the old 62-H, will hit the > marketplace? Maybe our Texas list-members like Dean and Wayne can get some > information at TMEA, from UMI and Bill Reichenbach. > > Wish I could leave this Ohio snow behind and head to Texas to hear Bonetown > & Bonified Bonetown; however, the SSO has Doc Severinson in for a concert on > Friday & Saturday. I bet you Texans will be in for a real treat! Good luck > Wayne & Dean! > > Denny Seifried > Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Symphony & Dayton Jazz Orchestra > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 19:41:06 -0500 From: David Burch To: Trombone list Subject: J.J. remembered on NPR Message-ID: <3A8099A1.D9EC88FF@fuse.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Listers, Driving to work this morning, I caught an excellent 5-minute remembrance of J.J. Johnson on 'Morning Edition'. Tonight, I find this feature and a couple of other NPR streaming audios on J.J. at the NPR Web site: http://www.nprjazz.org/programs/jjjohnson.html Dave Burch Hamilton, Ohio ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:00:29 -0600 From: "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Memories of J.J. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Several years ago, J.J. Johnson was featured artist with the jazz band at College of DuPage. Most of it was everything I expected. One piece was astounding. He played an unaccompanied jazz improvisation. No piano. No guitar. No bass. No drums. Just one trombonist all by himself. Now, I don't follow jazz all that closely, but I have never heard of anyone else doing that before or since. After the performance, I went back stage to have him autograph my program. Although there were several other people who also wanted to talk with him, he gave me his undivided attention. I commented on the unaccompanied piece, and he said that he had a recording coming out that had an unaccompanied track on it. (I don't remember if he said whether it was the same or a different piece.) I cannot think of another time that I have started to look for a record before it was issued, but I snapped it up as soon as I could. I listened to it last night, and the unaccompanied cut still as astounding as when I heard him do it live. Well, so's the rest of it, for that matter. (Alas, I don't have it with me to know what to tell curious minds. I think it's called Quintergy.) ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ David Guion, Cataloger John Marshall Law School 315 S. Plymouth Ct. Chicago, IL 60604 Voice: (312) 427-2737 x 552 Fax; (312) 427-8307 Should part-time band directors be called semi-conductors? ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 20:00:32 -0500 From: "Todd Hershberger" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: FOR SALE: Edwards/Bach Bass on Ebay Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010206195531.00aafc80@mail.goshen.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Listers, I have decided to sell the bass trombone on eBay. Check it out if you are interested. It is an excellent horn. Thanks, Todd. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1408669108 ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 02:04:13 -0000 From: "Kevan Lomas" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Doug Yeo Bass Trombone Mouthpiece measurements Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello the list I need the dimensions of the Doug Yeo Bass Trombone Mouthpiece for comparison purposes. The best I can do as far as specs are concerned are as follows Inner diameter 28.72mm. Contour semi-flat, semi-thin rim. Semi-deep cup. 8.0mm throat. Semi-wide backbore. Gold plated rim, cup and inner bore. If any one has a list of the full measurements or can point me in the direction of a site that does I would be most grateful. Regards Kevan Lomas Bass Trombone Warrington England Nil significat nisi oscillat kevan.lomas@virgin.net ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 20:32:38 -0600 From: William Dinwiddie To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: J.J. Message-ID: <3A80B3C6.CA664B9B@mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think Chris Smith wrote a very thoughtful and meaningful piece about JJ's last days. Let's all try to remember him by the meaning of his life and not how he passed from this Earth. Bill Dinwiddie ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 20:51:44 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: Re: Doug Yeo Bass Trombone Mouthpiece measurements Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" http://www.yeodoug.com/mouthpiece.html Hello the list I need the dimensions of the Doug Yeo Bass Trombone Mouthpiece for comparison purposes. The best I can do as far as specs are concerned are as follows Inner diameter 28.72mm. Contour semi-flat, semi-thin rim. Semi-deep cup. 8.0mm throat. Semi-wide backbore. Gold plated rim, cup and inner bore. If any one has a list of the full measurements or can point me in the direction of a site that does I would be most grateful. Regards Kevan Lomas Bass Trombone Warrington England Nil significat nisi oscillat kevan.lomas@virgin.net -- ________________________________________________ Chris Waage chris@trombone.org Associate Webmaster The Online Trombone Journal http://www.trombone.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 22:05:23 -0600 From: William Dinwiddie To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: J.J. Message-ID: <3A80C983.80E65E44@mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Listers, I would like to recommend to all of you JJ fans the same site that Phil Burton referred to. There are some really superb streaming videos of JJ talking about his entire career and influences and so many other things. There must be 15 or more short 2 to 3 minute videos. Apparently the videos were made in 1999 and JJ looks and sounds very good at this time. It is certainly a pleasure to be able to see and listen to a man who has talked very little to the media during his lifetime. Thanks to Phil for discovering this important resource. I wonder if the entire interview is available as a VHS tape or DVD. Anyone know? Be well, Bill Dinwiddie ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:59:58 -0500 (EST) From: Beth Lewis To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Degrees... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, For a young person wanting to pursue a career in performing, could anyone share their insight re: possible advantages/disadvantages of getting a performer's diploma or artist's diploma rather than a B.M.? Would one be able to go on to get a master's (music) with this background, if desired? Thanks, Beth Lewis ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:53:19 -0600 From: "Jeff Albert" To: "Beth Lewis" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Degrees... Message-ID: <00d301c090ca$4675e960$c4d81542@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Beth, Generally one must have a bachelors degree to get into a masters program. If you want to be a performer, do that...perform. Understand that your wants may change as years go by. For a long time I said I would be happy, if I could just make a living playing my horn. I did just that for about 10 years, and I was happy. I went to grad school (I could because I got a BM) because I had specific musical issues that I wanted to address, and a masters program at a local university seemed to be the most efficient and affordable way to focus on these aspects of my playing that I wanted to improve. I did not enter grad school looking for an MM, it was just a by product in my mind. In the two years I was in grad school, I met the most wonderful woman, got married, and my whole life changed. Playing "I will Survive" in a smokey suburban divorce bar for a hundred bucks or less, had lost some of its appeal. I am now teaching part time at a local university, and loving it. I am free to spend more time with my family, and play more musically rewarding gigs, and fewer gigs that are ONLY financially rewarding. This is possible, because I have an MM, which I thought was just going to be a by product of some focused learning. I don't know if there is any advice in this, but it is my story. I hope it helps more than confuses. Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth Lewis" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 10:59 PM Subject: Degrees... > Hi all, > > For a young person wanting to pursue a career in performing, could anyone > share their insight re: possible advantages/disadvantages of getting a > performer's diploma or artist's diploma rather than a B.M.? Would > one be able to go on to get a master's (music) with this background, if > desired? > > Thanks, > Beth Lewis > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 01:51:53 -0500 From: "Dave Wank" To: "Trombone-L" , "Beth Lewis" Subject: Re: Degrees... Message-ID: <000801c090d2$76c619c0$a598fea9@computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeff's words are well spoken, Beth. A degree will open many doors for you in the future to afford you the richness of a varied life. At any age, none of us realize what will be our next set of choices. The better you are able to prepare yourself for any eventuality, with a degree, the better will be the alternatives in your life. In my own case, after 45 years of marriage to the same, wonderful woman, I can honestly state the she is the only thing I have ever hung on to! (My good luck, not hers!) If nothing else, my life has never been boring. If nothing else, I can always joke that I took a BM at Western (WMU)! Good luck to you! Dave W. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 00:13:14 -0700 From: Doug Crane To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: J.J. recordings featured on my radio show 2/7/01 Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010206232647.009fde40@pop.rmi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Please forgive the blatant self-promotion but.... I will be featuring many J.J. Johnson recordings, both as a leader and sideman, on my Wednesday evening jazz show. It is heard on KUVO Denver 89.3 FM and over the 'net at www.kuvo.org. I'll be on the air from 7-10 p.m. Mountain Standard Time. You'll need to figure out the time conversions yourself. I suspect many of you either own or are familiar with much of what will be played although there may be a few surprises. For those of you who are unfamiliar with many of his sessions, this might be a good opportunity to get acquainted with some of them. Keep in mind that this will not be a tribute show per se. Selections will be intermingled within the overall format of the station. Don't expect much in the way of commentary by me either. I'm not Phil Schaap and the music speaks pretty well for itself without incessant babbling from me. Doug Crane dcrane@rmi.net Volunteer Jazz DJ (Weds. 7-10 p.m.) KUVO Denver 89.3 FM streaming audio 24-7 at www.kuvo.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 10:02:30 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Trombone Content - was religion Message-ID: <001201c090ed$35690da0$047f68d5@q9y6f8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Burton" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 10:51 PM Subject: Re: Trombone Content - was religion > There is always "slide lube" for an idea?? Oh God!!! A. Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk www.adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 20:31:50 -0800 From: "Dilshad Kasmani" To: "Trombone-L" , "Trombone Central" , Subject: Elliott Mpc For Sale Message-ID: <042701c090be$e72b1440$8119fea9@zrrs1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gold-plated LT N 102 rim, LT H cup, and H9 shank. The entire set up is like new. $80 OBO. Thanks. Dilshad Kasmani dkasmani@mindspring.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 11:31:47 -0500 From: "Paul D. Kemp Jr." To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Teaching rewards Message-ID: <001301c09123$7a312d60$bd2f3e3f@pauljr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C090F9.8E9A30A0" Dear Listers: I am humbled by the series of events that have happened this morning. Before I go into details, let me first say that I threw my hat into the private teaching arena about 5 years ago. The reason that I waited the amount of time that I did was because I wasn't sure about the quality of instruction that I could offer to younger students. I do not believe in the flash in the pan approach. I treat teaching music & the trombone as a very serious endeavor, and even if my students don't go into music, they can apply everything that I teach them to any other discipline and still come out on top, and even if they play music as an amateur, their playing will still be on a level that is higher than the average, which is great for everyone involved. I received a phone call from a university trombone professor Monday night, and because I wasn't home, I didn't get the message until this morning. In any event, I returned the call, and had a very nice conversation about a recent encounter that one of my students had with this gentleman. Not only did my student play well, but he conducted himself in a matterÊthat did nothing but reflect credit on his parents and school. I have been working with this student for 5 years, and believe me, heÊhasn't been blessed with a lot of natural abilityÊ, but he does have one of the most tenacious attitudes about being the best that he can be that I have ever witnessed. He has also learned something else that is so true: you're not going to be a winner every time that you go out there and play for people, but that's no reason to quit or to become discouraged. You keep your nose to the grindstone and keeping working at it. My student auditioned for the Governor's Honor's Program in his state, and this trombone professor told me that there was some very stiffÊcompetition. In plain English, he said it was a crap shoot. However, if this program doesn't work out, This trombone professor also teaches at one of the more prestigious music camps, and he also mentioned another camp closer to home that might be available. As a private teacher, there is NOTHING more gratifying than for another teacher to praiseÊthe work thatÊyou haveÊdone with your students. Yes, the students must perform, but if you, as a private teacher, give everything you have to your students, in the long run it will repay you.ÊÊÊÊ In closing, YOU NEVER GET A SECOND CHANCE TO MAKE A GOOD IMPRESSION. There are manyÊmusicians who are holding down goodÊpositions not because of their inherent talent, but because they were persistent enough and didn't quit. A good work ethic still means something in this business. Develop and culitivate it, and the sky is the limit. Sincerely, Paul Kemp Chattanooga Symphony www.trbnplyr.comÊÊÊ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 08:57:23 -0800 From: Stan Brager To: "'Trombone-L'" Subject: Used CDs Message-ID: <01C091AD.50074F80.sbrager2@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've just gotten back from an unexpected trip to a local store which sells used CDs at great prices. It's usually a time for busting my budget. There are now 2 new additions to my collection. The first is called "Ragtime Vol.1 1897/1919" on the Jazz Archives label cost $6. Many of the brass and marching bands from the turn of the days of recording are represented including: Sousa's Band, Arthur Pryor's Band, Prince's Band, Handy's Orchestra, and Jim Europe's Infantry Band. Lots a' good stuff for listening. The second CD is "Dizzy Gillespie - The Complete RCA Victor Recordings" for $8. What a find! The set (2 CDs) goes back to his days with Teddy Hill, Lionel Hampton, and the Metronome All-Stars as well as under's Diz' leadership. Manteca, Anthropology, 52nd Street Theme, Night In Tunisia, Two Bass Hit, Cubana Be/Cubana Bop, You Go To My Head, Good Bait, and others. But the CD is missing the booklet. If anyone has this CD, could I arrange to get a copy of the liner notes booklet. Please let me know off-list. Thanks; Stan Stan Brager Trombonist-in-Training ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 10:48:41 -0700 From: Steve Gamble To: "'bhowland@islandnet.com'" , "Trombone List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Sound Shields Message-ID: <01C090F3.89AF65C0.orchpers@azstarnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brad, I know I'm a little late responding to your post, but we've been dealing with the shield (we call them baffles) problem here for several years now. We've even used OSHA test equipment during one particularly contentious period as we were trying to come up with a way to protect the folks in front of the loud instruments and not compromise the musical product. While there is plenty to say on this subject, I think there are only a few important practical things to keep in mind. Our experience is that the most effective sound baffling methods are those that protect each individual. Consequently, we don't use any type of enclosure method. Instead, our baffle of choice is the one made by Wenger and we always have a supply of ear plugs on hand. What makes the Wenger better than the devices that attach to the back of a chair or a music stand placed behind the musicians head is that it can be adjusted so that the plexiglas is very close to the back of the head of the musician who needs ear protection. The baffle must be within six inches of the head or it has no measurable effect. This, of course, is a problem for the trombones. We're stuck with having to use ear plugs. (Anybody out there have any recommendations for the perfect ear plugs?) The design of the Wenger is also the least noticable visually from the audience. I'd be happy to put you in touch with people from our orchestra committee or stage crew or whomever, if you want a more complete picture. Regards Steve Gamble Tucson Symphony -----Original Message----- From: Brad Howland [SMTP:bhowland@islandnet.com] Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 1:41 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Sound Shields Our orchestra is going through a controversy regarding the use of sound shields in front of the brass. Do any list members play in orchestras with a written out policy on sound shields, and can you tell me briefly what that policy is? Many thanks, Brad Howland ----------------------------------------------------------------- Trombone, Web Design, Income Tax, Brass Music "Specialization is for insects." ...Robert Heinlein E Mail: bradhowland@netzero.net or bhowland@islandnet.com Web Site: http://www.musicforbrass.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 11:51:39 -0700 From: "Holst, Bill" To: "'trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu'" Subject: Ken Burns series: The Atlantic Online Message-ID: <65B9C0230E16D311B9D600105A090E6F340551@FIR> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Below is a pointer to an interesting Atlantic Monthly review of the recent Ken Burns jazz series. I recommend this article highly. It summarizes the series and identifies some of the good points and flaws and that this list has mentioned. Enjoy! http://www.theatlantic.com/cgi-bin/o/issues/2001/01/davis.htm Bill Holst, High Altitude Trombone Quartet www.hatq.org and Colorado Srings Symphony Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 18:37:01 -0800 From: emrose79@pacbell.net To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: New Conn 62-H Message-ID: <3A80B4CD.13E6BB2@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Listers: Apparently Conn is coming out with a dual-dependent valve bass trombone(the 62H). What would the benefits of the dependent over independent be? Also, a few months ago, someone asked if there were any good jazz solos played on a bass trombone. Now that "Brass Nation" is out, if you haven't already heard it, Bill Reichenbach has several (my favorite is "State of the Art") Ed ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:07:29 -0800 From: "Rod Ellard" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: New Conn 62-H Message-ID: <002d01c09141$9a376fc0$527bfea9@Ellard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ed: Doug Yeo has an excellent article on this issue on his web site and that would be your best source for information. But after all is said and done, it is likely a matter of personal preference and the playing characteristics of each individual horn. Rod ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 6:37 PM Subject: Re: New Conn 62-H > > Listers: > Apparently Conn is coming out with a dual-dependent valve bass > trombone(the 62H). What would the benefits of the dependent over > independent be? > > Also, a few months ago, someone asked if there were any good jazz solos > played on a bass trombone. Now that "Brass Nation" is out, if you > haven't already heard it, Bill Reichenbach has several (my favorite is > "State of the Art") > Ed > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 20:34:39 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Sound Shields Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed In some of the footage of Duke Ellington?s band, last week, the trombones were in front. That also solves the problem of leaving room for slides. As for earplugs, I?ve always preferred rolled up pieces of bar napkin, to store-bought earplugs. The frequency response is better and it?s easy to fit any shaped ear. I?d worry, though, that the audience would be distracted, if they noticed the earplugs. DanP From: Steve Gamble Reply-To: "orchpers@azstarnet.com" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Sound Shields Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 10:48:41 -0700 Brad, I know I'm a little late responding to your post, but we've been dealing with the shield (we call them baffles) problem here for several years now. We've even used OSHA test equipment during one particularly contentious period as we were trying to come up with a way to protect the folks in front of the loud instruments and not compromise the musical product. While there is plenty to say on this subject, I think there are only a few important practical things to keep in mind. Our experience is that the most effective sound baffling methods are those that protect each individual. Consequently, we don't use any type of enclosure method. Instead, our baffle of choice is the one made by Wenger and we always have a supply of ear plugs on hand. What makes the Wenger better than the devices that attach to the back of a chair or a music stand placed behind the musicians head is that it can be adjusted so that the plexiglas is very close to the back of the head of the musician who needs ear protection. The baffle must be within six inches of the head or it has no measurable effect. This, of course, is a problem for the trombones. We're stuck with having to use ear plugs. (Anybody out there have any recommendations for the perfect ear plugs?) The design of the Wenger is also the least noticable visually from the audience. I'd be happy to put you in touch with people from our orchestra committee or stage crew or whomever, if you want a more complete picture. Regards Steve Gamble Tucson Symphony -----Original Message----- From: Brad Howland [SMTP:bhowland@islandnet.com] Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 1:41 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Sound Shields Our orchestra is going through a controversy regarding the use of sound shields in front of the brass. Do any list members play in orchestras with a written out policy on sound shields, and can you tell me briefly what that policy is? Many thanks, Brad Howland ----------------------------------------------------------------- Trombone, Web Design, Income Tax, Brass Music "Specialization is for insects." ...Robert Heinlein E Mail: bradhowland@netzero.net or bhowland@islandnet.com Web Site: http://www.musicforbrass.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:36:02 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Dependent valves (yet again!) Message-ID: <20010207203602.37576.qmail@web10305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- emrose79@pacbell.net wrote: > > Listers: > Apparently Conn is coming out with a dual-dependent valve bass > trombone(the 62H). What would the benefits of the dependent over > independent be? Doug Yeo wrote an article about it years ago for the ITA...it's probably on his website somewhere, but it's hidden, as far as I can tell. Doug? I can tell you briefly from my experience, that, all other things being identical (bell, slide, leadpipe, etc.), I MUCH prefer the playing characteristics of my Shires with dependent Thayers rather than independent. EVERY note on the instrument centers better, with more security. On the other hand, when I've tried Greenhoe valves on Shires instruments I've preferred the in-line to the dependent setupfor some reason. I didn't test them over long periods of time however. Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 14:40:43 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: Re: Dependent valves (yet again!) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Trombone FAQ entry: http://brusseau.com/tromboneFAQ/3_19.html Doug Yeo's valve article: http://www.yeodoug.com/valves.html --- emrose79@pacbell.net wrote: Listers: Apparently Conn is coming out with a dual-dependent valve bass trombone(the 62H). What would the benefits of the dependent over independent be? Doug Yeo wrote an article about it years ago for the ITA...it's probably on his website somewhere, but it's hidden, as far as I can tell. Doug? I can tell you briefly from my experience, that, all other things being identical (bell, slide, leadpipe, etc.), I MUCH prefer the playing characteristics of my Shires with dependent Thayers rather than independent. EVERY note on the instrument centers better, with more security. On the other hand, when I've tried Greenhoe valves on Shires instruments I've preferred the in-line to the dependent setupfor some reason. I didn't test them over long periods of time however. Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ -- ________________________________________________ Chris Waage chris@trombone.org Associate Webmaster The Online Trombone Journal http://www.trombone.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 15:05:35 -0600 From: "Jeff Albert" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Ear plugs, was Sound Shields Message-ID: <007301c09149$b7871fa0$c4d81542@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Custom made "musicians" earplugs are available from an audiologist. They are custom fit to your ear, and offer flat frequency cut (theoretically). They are available with either 15 or 25 db cut, and you can change that by replacing a filter in the plug. I don't have any (although an audiologist friend of mine keeps telling me to get some), but I know a few people who do, and they say they are the best earplug around. For the price, (around $200) they should be. Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 8:34 PM Subject: RE: Sound Shields > > In some of the footage of Duke Ellington?s band, last week, the trombones > were in front. That also solves the problem of leaving room for slides. > > As for earplugs, I?ve always preferred rolled up pieces of bar napkin, to > store-bought earplugs. The frequency response is better and it?s easy to > fit any shaped ear. > > I?d worry, though, that the audience would be distracted, if they noticed > the earplugs. > > DanP > > > >From: Steve Gamble > >Reply-To: "orchpers@azstarnet.com" > >To: "Trombones and related issues forum." > >Subject: RE: Sound Shields > >Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 10:48:41 -0700 > > > >Brad, > > > >I know I'm a little late responding to your post, but we've been dealing > >with the shield (we call them baffles) problem here for several years now. > > We've even used OSHA test equipment during one particularly contentious > >period as we were trying to come up with a way to protect the folks in > >front of the loud instruments and not compromise the musical product. > > > >While there is plenty to say on this subject, I think there are only a few > >important practical things to keep in mind. Our experience is that the > >most effective sound baffling methods are those that protect each > >individual. Consequently, we don't use any type of enclosure method. > > Instead, our baffle of choice is the one made by Wenger and we always > >have > >a supply of ear plugs on hand. What makes the Wenger better than the > >devices that attach to the back of a chair or a music stand placed behind > >the musicians head is that it can be adjusted so that the plexiglas is very > >close to the back of the head of the musician who needs ear protection. > > The baffle must be within six inches of the head or it has no measurable > >effect. This, of course, is a problem for the trombones. We're stuck with > >having to use ear plugs. (Anybody out there have any recommendations for > >the perfect ear plugs?) The design of the Wenger is also the least > >noticable visually from the audience. > > > >I'd be happy to put you in touch with people from our orchestra committee > >or stage crew or whomever, if you want a more complete picture. > > > >Regards > > > >Steve Gamble > >Tucson Symphony > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Brad Howland [SMTP:bhowland@islandnet.com] > >Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 1:41 PM > >To: Trombones and related issues forum. > >Subject: Sound Shields > > > >Our orchestra is going through a controversy regarding the use of sound > >shields in front of the brass. Do any list members play in orchestras with > >a > >written out policy on sound shields, and can you tell me briefly what that > >policy is? > > > >Many thanks, > >Brad Howland > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > >Trombone, Web Design, Income Tax, Brass Music > >"Specialization is for insects." ...Robert Heinlein > >E Mail: bradhowland@netzero.net or bhowland@islandnet.com > >Web Site: http://www.musicforbrass.com > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 15:38:49 -0500 From: "John Olsson" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Mouthpieces and Edwards sterling leadpipe for sale Message-ID: <000901c09145$fd4c9780$06fc3218@wre.adelphia.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HI Listers! I have some items for sale. Edwards sterling T2 leadpipe for sale $95 (includes shipping) Christian Lindberg 4CL (large shank) Gold plate $70 Stork 5 Large shank $35 Stork 5 Lighter blank-large shank $35 John Olsson jolsson@adelphia.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Instructor of Trombone Kent State University-Stark Campus Malone College Mt. Union College West Liberty State College ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Canton Symphony Orchestra Wheeling Symphony Orchestra Sounds of Sousa Band ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 16:48:38 -0600 From: "bassbone" To: Subject: UNT Trombone Department Web Site Message-ID: <007201c09158$267c3e00$f330aec7@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006D_01C09125.D20786E0" Hi list, The University of North Texas trombone department has just launched its web site. You may find it at: http://www.unttrombones.com There are a few pages still not quite completed, but a majority of the pages are up and running. Take care, Joshua Brown http://www.bassbone.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 08:00:04 +0900 From: Joseph Green To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Book price (The Tuba Family) Message-ID: <3A81D371.7098@m.u-tokyo.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ?The new edition of the book "The Tuba Family" was mentioned here on the list recently. My copy is on order, but I just found out that a used book dealer in New Jersey is offering a copy of the first edition for FIVE HUNDRED dollars! Why would the dealer think that a copy of the first edition is worth that much? JG +++++++++++++++++ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 15:56:41 -0700 From: Dave Tall To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Kennedy Center audition Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010207155641.00aed250@mail.sprintmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Has anyone (or their students) heard back from the Kennedy Center Orchestra concerning the bass trombone audition? Dave Tall Bass Trombonist New Mexico Symphony ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:03:32 EST From: MMBNo1@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: J.J. Message-ID: <20.11ba932f.27b32e44@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_20.11ba932f.27b32e44_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline After reading the few posts on J.J's passing, I began to understand the situation more. ÊÊHowever, it is unfortunate that excerpts such as the following get sent over electronic wavelengths: *** Jazz musician Johnson kills self WASHINGTON, D.C. (Billboard) - James Louis "J.J." Johnson, the father of modern jazz trombone, died Saturday at his home in Indianapolis of an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound. He had been suffering from prostate cancer. Johnson, who was 77, reinvented the role of the trombone in jazz from a gut-bucket accompanying voice to a facile and mellifluous front-line solo instrument. He also arranged, composed and scored films. He won a Grammy for 1999's "Heroes," and was nominated for several others. In the 1960s - after recording albums for Savoy, Blue Note, Prestige, Bethlehem and other labels - he began to earn accolades as a leader and as co-leader, with trombonist Kai Winding, on the popular "Jay and Kai" albums. I might be overeacting, but it seems pretty blunt to me. On a brighter note, does anyone have a piano transciption to mysterioso. ÊI have a set of his solos, but I cannot play it with my pianist friend without the piano part. doug ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:42:23 -0500 From: "Chuck De Paolo" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Re: Book price (The Tuba Family) Message-ID: <019001c0915f$9eb497d0$0200a8c0@ws2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ?Perhaps because he knows that someone *will* pay that amount. I guess it's all in what the market will bear... ---Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Green" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 6:00 PM Subject: Book price (The Tuba Family) > The new edition of the book "The Tuba Family" was mentioned here on the > list recently. My copy is on order, but I just found out that a used > book dealer in New Jersey is offering a copy of the first edition for > FIVE HUNDRED dollars! > > Why would the dealer think that a copy of the first edition is worth > that much? > > JG > > +++++++++++++++++ > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 19:01:21 -0500 (EST) From: Beth Lewis To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: FS: Pro-tec trombone case Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Listmembers: I have a two month old Pro-tec universal tenor case that I'd like to sell. It's in excellent condition and has no defects. Asking $100, including shipping and insurance ($20-30). Please reply off-list. Beth Lewis ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:37:35 -0600 From: "Kevin Saunders" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Wanted Old (broken) Hamilton Bone Stands Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Listers, I am experimenting with trombone stands and need the upper part of your old Hamilton stand that has the lower part stripped out. Any used condition is fine, and I will gladly pay for shipping. I just want the top part, not the stand part. Please email me off the list. Don't throw it away, throw it my way! Best Regards, Kevin Saunders kevin@kevingsaunders.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:00:41 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: J.J. Johnson- a clarification Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 8:43 PM +0000 2/6/01, Christopher Smith wrote: I think it is unfortunate that the word "suicide" is being used in mentions of J.J. Johnson's passing, because of the connotations and questions it brings to mind for everyone who hears it. Foremost: Why would he do such a thing? Here we venture into a delicate area, even more delicate and sensitive than the "religion" issue we're bantering around (and, of course, religion comes into this issue as well). I personally don't think the foremost question for any of us to ask is "Why would he do such a thing?" We don't know, and won't know unless his family members tell us so, or if JJ left behind information for us to know as to why. We can't answer it. To speculate is to simply speculate. We weren't there. Another question that some may ask is, "How COULD he do such a thing?" I have had two close friends commit suicide, and an immediate family member as well. I can tell you from my experience (and that of other family members I know of one who has taken his own life), that WHY is less the question than HOW (not the "how" of the method, but the "How COULD you?" question). Religion comes into the picture for many people, as to whether or not suicide (or whatever you want to call it) is justifiable in terms of a person taking life/death into his/her own hands. And when it is over, it is those family members and close friends left behind who, depending on the how the "How COULD?" question is answered, can have a huge amount of emotional "stuff" to deal with. My experience with this is that it matters greatly whether those left behind in the family are aware of the intention, that there is an ability to say "goodbye", etc before one goes through with it in order to have a sense of closure. I don't know JJ's situation with his family regarding this, apart from hearing in one article that his wife was quoted as saying, "It was very devastating." No matter how, why or what happened, JJ is gone. He leaves behind a legacy of music, playing and inspiration which is untarnished by how he exited this world. Other questions may linger regarding his passing, but they are not ours to ask - only his family has the right to ask them if they should be asked at all - and we can pray (those of us who do pray) that his wife, children and other family have a sense of resolution and peace in light of events of recent days. Here's hoping that the many expressions of support coming their way will help mitigate whatever pain there may be for them, and that the memory of JJ's influence on the lives of countless players and lovers of music will burn brightly whenever they think of him. -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 21:12:31 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: yeo@yeodoug.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: J.J. Johnson- a clarification Message-ID: <6e.7969ccb.27b35a8f@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Doug. We are all human beings and we are so logical. Just ask us how logical we are and it doesn't translate from one person to the other. Sure am gonna miss his bein' there. beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 21:17:28 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Love Crucified a Rose Message-ID: <4e.112fd4d4.27b35bb8@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where could I obtain sheetmusic for this - wanna take piano lead and play the treble melody in church some Sunday morning. Any one have a clue? Sheet Music .com doesn't have it listed, nor does Sheet Music Plus. Who is the sheet music supplier that has the patience to uphold the T-bone list? beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 21:23:00 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: KUVO-fm Denver Message-ID: <66.bf59955.27b35d04@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This morning's list mail brought the website for the above 89.3 broadcast. Right now they are playing "Hello Young Lovers, Wherever You Are." Look it up and tune in. Beldon Wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 21:38:29 -0600 From: "Tom Izzo" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Love Crucified a Rose Message-ID: <00a801c09180$9acde4c0$bb75dfd0@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit : Love Crucified a Rose > Where could I obtain sheetmusic for this - wanna take piano lead and play the > treble melody in church some Sunday morning. > > Any one have a clue? Is that the title? I never heard of it. Who performed it? Tom > > Sheet Music .com doesn't have it listed, nor does Sheet Music Plus. > > Who is the sheet music supplier that has the patience to uphold the T-bone > list? > > > beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 21:44:20 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: jeanvaljean@ntsource.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Love Crucified a Rose Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I heard it driving down the interstate with a couple of 18 wheelers next to me. I didn't get the title correct at first, but a CW amateur said she remembered the correct title. Since she accompanies me and I accompany her and she is always right I figured that that was a correct title. Three years ago...... I heard it. beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 21:45:18 EST From: Neobopr@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Love Crucified Arose Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Above is the correct title--The title refers to Jesus Christ and is a religious piece. Jeff ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 21:47:56 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: jeanvaljean@ntsource.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Love Crucified a Rose Message-ID: <36.11c2845d.27b362dc@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could be Love Crucified Arose. beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 21:49:19 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: Neobopr@aol.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Love Crucified Arose Message-ID: <48.1131b6db.27b3632f@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yea!!! Thanks Jeff See, she's alus right. beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 22:08:32 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: J.J. Johnson- a clarification Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010207215635.01f68828@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:00 PM 2/7/2001 -0500, Douglas Yeo wrote: Another question that some may ask is, "How COULD he do such a thing?" That is very much a matter of personal ethics. Some people cannot reconcile this act with their own sense of religion. Others cannot understand a religious system or a God that would require a person to endure endless torture to what end? I would simply point out that two millennia ago when most of the today's dominant religious dogma was established, a person with JJ's disease would have been dead long ago, long before the worst of the suffering. For those who don't agree with a person having some control over the terms of departure, I respect that point of view if that is what they choose for themselves, but please don't presume that others should come to the same decision. For me, nothing about JJ's final chapter diminishes the feelings I have for the man. If I find myself in similar circumstances, I only hope I have the means to go out on my own terms too. Rest in peace, JJ. You have left us nothing but gifts. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 22:48:42 -0500 From: "Lisa & Patrick Bates" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: J.J. Johnson- a clarification Message-ID: <004101c09182$0b19f380$3d895fd8@plbates> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well said! We weren't there, and don't know the circumstances. Whatever you believe, J.J.'s actions are for him and his family to deal with , not the rest of us. Without walking in his shoes we are not equipped to judge his actions. His music lives on, and I for one will continue to enjoy , and be inspired by it. Patrick W. Bates, CRS R. R. #3 Bothwell, ON Canada N0P 1C0 (519) 695 - 3711 ----- Original Message ----- From: Douglas Yeo To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 8:00 PM Subject: Re: J.J. Johnson- a clarification > At 8:43 PM +0000 2/6/01, Christopher Smith wrote: > > > > >I think it is unfortunate that the word "suicide" is being used in > >mentions of J.J. Johnson's passing, because of the connotations and > >questions it brings to mind for everyone who hears it. > >Foremost: Why would he do such a thing? > > Here we venture into a delicate area, even more delicate and > sensitive than the "religion" issue we're bantering around (and, of > course, religion comes into this issue as well). > > I personally don't think the foremost question for any of us to ask > is "Why would he do such a thing?" We don't know, and won't know > unless his family members tell us so, or if JJ left behind > information for us to know as to why. We can't answer it. To > speculate is to simply speculate. We weren't there. > > Another question that some may ask is, "How COULD he do such a thing?" > > I have had two close friends commit suicide, and an immediate family > member as well. I can tell you from my experience (and that of other > family members I know of one who has taken his own life), that WHY is > less the question than HOW (not the "how" of the method, but the "How > COULD you?" question). Religion comes into the picture for many > people, as to whether or not suicide (or whatever you want to call > it) is justifiable in terms of a person taking life/death into > his/her own hands. And when it is over, it is those family members > and close friends left behind who, depending on the how the "How > COULD?" question is answered, can have a huge amount of emotional > "stuff" to deal with. My experience with this is that it matters > greatly whether those left behind in the family are aware of the > intention, that there is an ability to say "goodbye", etc before one > goes through with it in order to have a sense of closure. I don't > know JJ's situation with his family regarding this, apart from > hearing in one article that his wife was quoted as saying, "It was > very devastating." > > No matter how, why or what happened, JJ is gone. He leaves behind a > legacy of music, playing and inspiration which is untarnished by how > he exited this world. Other questions may linger regarding his > passing, but they are not ours to ask - only his family has the right > to ask them if they should be asked at all - and we can pray (those > of us who do pray) that his wife, children and other family have a > sense of resolution and peace in light of events of recent days. > Here's hoping that the many expressions of support coming their way > will help mitigate whatever pain there may be for them, and that the > memory of JJ's influence on the lives of countless players and lovers > of music will burn brightly whenever they think of him. > > -Doug Yeo > > ********************************************** > * Douglas Yeo * > * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * > * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * > * yeo@yeodoug.com * > * http://www.yeodoug.com * > * <>< * > ********************************************** > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 21:51:31 -0600 From: "Steve Cagle" To: "T BONE" Subject: jazz concert Message-ID: <003801c09182$746dc1e0$19b27ed8@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01C09150.21CD7CA0" Hi list people, I got to hear a great concert last night, went to hear Maynard Fergusonand the Big Bop Nouveau band. Also ran into lister Zemry after the concert. It was good to see him after so many years. The band was excellent, great trombone playing. I guess I have to really practice now, there's nothing like inspiration for motivation. Steve Cagle Family Church Instrumental Director Twin Cities Community Band ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 23:19:41 -0600 From: "Gary Greenhoe" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: New Conn 62-H Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Ed and list, Theoretically the dependent double allows a longer gooseneck (taper) from the rotor to the small side tuning slide. This makes for a more controlled blossom to the sound. I too, recommend the "Brass Nation" CD, but if you haven't received your copy of "Bonetown" it is a must have item! There you will hear some serious undiluted kick butt trombone and Bass trombone playing! If anyone is within 5000 miles of San Antonio this week.....go and catch these guys... Regards, Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of emrose79@pacbell.net Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 8:37 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: New Conn 62-H Listers: Apparently Conn is coming out with a dual-dependent valve bass trombone(the 62H). What would the benefits of the dependent over independent be? Also, a few months ago, someone asked if there were any good jazz solos played on a bass trombone. Now that "Brass Nation" is out, if you haven't already heard it, Bill Reichenbach has several (my favorite is "State of the Art") Ed ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 23:25:00 -0600 From: "Gary Greenhoe" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Dependent valves (yet again!) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gabe and list, The independent Thayers don't allow room for a proper taper and generally dump into the tuning slide very quickly. Independent Greenhoes' control the taper in a smooth fashion, and in combination with the open rotors there is little difference compared to dependent. The extra weight in the taper offsets some benefits of the dependent. Regards, Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Gabriel Langfur Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 2:36 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Dependent valves (yet again!) --- emrose79@pacbell.net wrote: > > Listers: > Apparently Conn is coming out with a dual-dependent valve bass > trombone(the 62H). What would the benefits of the dependent over > independent be? Doug Yeo wrote an article about it years ago for the ITA...it's probably on his website somewhere, but it's hidden, as far as I can tell. Doug? I can tell you briefly from my experience, that, all other things being identical (bell, slide, leadpipe, etc.), I MUCH prefer the playing characteristics of my Shires with dependent Thayers rather than independent. EVERY note on the instrument centers better, with more security. On the other hand, when I've tried Greenhoe valves on Shires instruments I've preferred the in-line to the dependent setupfor some reason. I didn't test them over long periods of time however. Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 22:46:49 -0800 From: David Oliver To: dcrane@rmi.net Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." , JJJohnson List Subject: Re: J.J. recordings featured on my radio show 2/7/01 Message-ID: <3A8240D9.3CE0E70F@accessnetusa.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great job, Doug! I'm lucky in that I can just tune my receiver to the station, living northwest of Denver. I started listening at 8 p.m. I recognized more than one piece for sure. It was a good selection, IMHO. BTW, Doug is pretty darn good trombone player! I remember him bringing his Conn 6H over to a trombone choir reading group we had for a while in Denver. I was still getting the hang of things after returning to playing again, but Doug always did the trickier upper/tenor clef stuff. The very first J.J. solo (which was played last) was a surprise for me. I think Doug said he was just 18. I wonder if the KUVO listeners know that Doug is trombone player! Not a problem with me of course. ;) David Oliver Broomfield, CO USA Trombone, Denver Concert Band P.S. I think I'll be listening to Doug's show a lot more than I have been. Doug Crane wrote: > Please forgive the blatant self-promotion but.... > > I will be featuring many J.J. Johnson recordings, both as a leader and > sideman, on my Wednesday evening jazz show. It is heard on KUVO Denver > 89.3 FM and over the 'net at www.kuvo.org. I'll be on the air from 7-10 > p.m. Mountain Standard Time. You'll need to figure out the time > conversions yourself. > > I suspect many of you either own or are familiar with much of what will be > played although there may be a few surprises. For those of you who are > unfamiliar with many of his sessions, this might be a good opportunity to > get acquainted with some of them. > > Keep in mind that this will not be a tribute show per se. Selections will > be intermingled within the overall format of the station. Don't expect > much in the way of commentary by me either. I'm not Phil Schaap and the > music speaks pretty well for itself without incessant babbling from me. > > Doug Crane > dcrane@rmi.net > Volunteer Jazz DJ (Weds. 7-10 p.m.) > KUVO Denver 89.3 FM > streaming audio 24-7 at www.kuvo.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 00:20:59 -0600 From: Jay Heltzer To: davetall@sprintmail.com, trombone Subject: Re: Kennedy Center audition Message-ID: <3A823ACA.7ED22C31@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Tall wrote: > Has anyone (or their students) heard back from the Kennedy Center Orchestra > concerning the bass trombone audition? > > Dave Tall > Bass Trombonist > New Mexico Symphony Well, its not about OUR audition but it is Kennedy Center. A friend of mine applied for their 2nd Tpt. spot, which auditions two weeks before ours. Along with 4 of his experienced colleagues, he recieved the (paraphrased) following: Due to the overwhelming response, we will not be able to offer you an audition at this time. some of the above mentioned trumpet players, who sub with major orchestras, and hold regional spots of their own, contacted the administration, and were told that walk ons will not be heard. Maybe they are shuffling through all our enthusiastic resume's and picking who gets to go. Jay Heltzer ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 01:34:50 EST From: JennWhaa@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Nielsen Flute Concerto Message-ID: <9f.10ed3859.27b3980a@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone give me a heads up on the solo? I know that there is one but I haven't seen it before and may have to play it tomorrow. Thanks in advance. Jen Jennifer Wharton Aspiring musician and professional basket weaver. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 07:14:41 From: "Tim Nichols" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Valve trombone - BOSTON brand. Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Does anyone have information regarding the history of the Boston brand valve trombone? The music store where I work has one, and they would like to know a little more about it. It is a "short model" (i.e.- the valve section is considerably shorter than a conventional slide section, but also somewhat wider.) 3-valve trombone in C, with pull to B-flat on the main tuning slide. The bell is 8-inches, and the bore seems to be quite large for a valve 'bone (>.500 is my guess). It appears to be quite old.The bell is engraved "Made For BOSTON Instrument Manuf." Any information would be appreciated. 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Click here for FREE help! http://www.freeyellow.com/members5/sabakasling/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 02:29:49 -0500 From: "william j. blair" To: "'trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu'" Subject: Bach 16m Message-ID: <01C09177.6ACC8D20.posaune1@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit due to some info i saw on the list last week, i am considering the purchase of a Callet leadpipe. i have contacted a repairman regarding the pipe and he seemed to think the 16m was a 508 bore. i called Callet and they said the same thing. i have always heard that the 16m was a 509 bore. i checked the bach website and their info says it is a 509. at this point i am a little confused and am requesting help. the difference between 508 and 509 is not much but i believe i should get the correct size. is there anyone out there who has experience with this leadpipe or others they might recommend. thanks for any advice or help Regarde'=bill blair ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1946--