Trombone-l Digest 1939 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Practice Time by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 2) Re: Practice Time by "Rod Ellard" 3) Re: Practice Time by "Rod Ellard" 4) Re: Practice Time by "Blythe Polreis" 5) RE: Practice Time by "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> 6) RE: Practice Time by "Richardson, Tim" 7) Re: Practice Time by David Burch 8) Re: Practice Time by "Thomas Smee" 9) Re: Evolution to (not of) the trombone [Related to: evolutie.gif] by "Aaron Roth" 10) Re: Practice Time by "Gary D. Maxwell" 11) RE: Practice Time by Steve Gamble 12) RE: Practice Time by "Daniel Pliskin" 13) Re: Practice Time by "Richard Zemry Johnson" 14) Re: Practice Time by Joseph Green 15) Slide Maintenance by "Paul D. Kemp Jr." 16) Jon Stabinski by AlexS15017@aol.com 17) RE: Practice Time by "Justin Miller" 18) Re: Practice Time by "Adrian Drover" 19) Re: Practice Time by "Adrian Drover" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1939 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:25:44 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: daveburch@fuse.net, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Practice Time Message-ID: <2f.104a9657.27a84508@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My wife is a fine musician, flautist and pianist. She will not practice or play either any more. My practice time. Any time she leaves the house for an hour. beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1939 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:52:13 -0800 From: "Rod Ellard" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Practice Time Message-ID: <003001c08add$399d75c0$527bfea9@Ellard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To all: Re: Practice Time I'm married with kids (3 and 8), self-employed (which gives me flexibility in terms of time) and work close to home. A few strategies I've employed from time to time: 1. Practice at work for half an hour before everyone else arrives. 2. A fellow I played with carried his horn in his car and whenever he got the chance he'd pull it out and play. Given the fact that punks went through my car last night and took my brief case with the court papers I needed this morning, I'm not sure this is a best idea and don't personally recommend it. 3. Leave a half hour early for rehearsal and get some extra "warm-up" time. A colleague commented once, "That's not a warm-up, that's practicing." 4. When I used to commute, I carried a mouthpiece in the car and buzzed. 5. Take advantage of the time you do get. I can usually get 2 -3 hours in on Friday and Saturday afternoons between laundry, clean-up, cooking dinner, swimming lessons, kindersport etc. I also grab a some time here and there. Do you really need to watch football game on tv? 6. Evenings, like everyone else. But I'm tired, my family is tired, I hate practice mutes, etc. I applaud everyone who can get something accomplished between 9 and 11 pm, but usually by that time I'm bushed. 7. And there is Tim Richardson's advice of a few years back: get off the Trombone list and use the time to practice. Rod ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1939 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:55:42 -0800 From: "Rod Ellard" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Practice Time Message-ID: <003a01c08add$7bd906c0$527bfea9@Ellard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod Ellard" To: ; "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 8:52 AM Subject: Re: Practice Time > To all: > > Re: Practice Time > > I'm married with kids (3 and 8), self-employed (which gives me flexibility > in terms of time) and work close to home. A few strategies I've employed > from time to time: > > 1. Practice at work for half an hour before everyone else arrives. > > 2. A fellow I played with carried his horn in his car and whenever he got > the chance he'd pull it out and play. Given the fact that punks went > through my car last night and took my brief case with the court papers I > needed this morning, I'm not sure this is a best idea and don't personally > recommend it. > > 3. Leave a half hour early for rehearsal and get some extra "warm-up" > time. A colleague commented once, "That's not a warm-up, that's > practicing." > > 4. When I used to commute, I carried a mouthpiece in the car and buzzed. > > 5. Take advantage of the time you do get. I can usually get 2 -3 hours > in on Friday and Saturday afternoons between laundry, clean-up, cooking > dinner, swimming lessons, kindersport etc. I also grab a some time here and > there. Do you really need to watch football game on tv? > > 6. Evenings, like everyone else. But I'm tired, my family is tired, I > hate practice mutes, etc. I applaud everyone who can get something > accomplished between 9 and 11 pm, but usually by that time I'm bushed. > > 7. And there is Tim Richardson's advice of a few years back: get off the > Trombone list and use the time to practice. > > Rod > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1939 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:02:56 -0500 From: "Blythe Polreis" To: Subject: Re: Practice Time Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit One place I've found which works nicely for practising when I'm able to snatch little chunks of time during my work day is the underground parkade across the street. The lowest level is well vented with big fans and it's protected from the wind and rain. Sometimes people stop to listen and I used to be self-conscious about that - one of my musician friends suggested playing scales would make them go away but it had the reverse effect, drawing comments like "Wow, I didn't know you could do stuff like that on a trombone." Blythe Blythe ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1939 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:12:09 -0600 From: "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Practice Time Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Dan Pliskin wondered > I work and I practice, what else is there to life? > Let's see: Church. Commuting. Keeping track of money, bills, taxes, etc. Errands. Lawn mowing, snow shoveling, and other housework. Keeping acquainted with my wife and dog. Rehearsals [and performances!] Research and writing. Am I forgetting anything? Oh yes! Eating. Sleeping. Wednesdays I'm hardly ever even in the same room with my trombones. (Second job) Thursday is band rehearsal. Any practicing has to be squeezed among other things on some, but alas not all of the other five days of the week--usually an hour and seldom much more. ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ David Guion, Cataloger John Marshall Law School 315 S. Plymouth Ct. Chicago, IL 60604 Voice: (312) 427-2737 x 552 Fax; (312) 427-8307 Should part-time band directors be called semi-conductors? ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1939 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:11:48 -0500 From: "Richardson, Tim" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Practice Time Message-ID: <21E592FA8BA7D311B5B100062B001FE206F12AB1@LEE2> I get in 20 minutes in the morning before work, this is enough to get through the Remington sample routine or close. I am not a morning person and it was painful to start but now it is a habit. Come to think of it, still painful. Then I try for 30 minutes after supper, and another 30 before bed. This is absolutely all the time I feel comfortable taking away from other responsibilities (family, fix-it stuff, exercise, etc.). There is more time in the day but young kids are (deservedly) a higher priority. where working people with a family get time for 3 hours per day I don't know, a lot of them claim to though. I also wish I'd put in some concentrated effort while young. Coasting is easy, progressing is not. Many people do not time their practice; I use a big radio shack kitchen timer, and I stop it if I have to answer the phone, so i know my 30 minutes is 30 minutes of actual playing. Someday I'll build a sound activated timer and find out how many minutes of actual tone I am doing. yours, Tim Richardson > -----Original Message----- > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1939 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:44:44 -0500 From: David Burch To: Blythe_Polreis@cbc.ca, Trombone list Subject: Re: Practice Time Message-ID: <3A76FD8C.3AE0E3D5@fuse.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Blythe Polreis wrote: > ...one of my musician friends suggested playing scales would make them go away but it had the reverse effect, drawing comments like "Wow, I didn't know you could do stuff like that on a trombone." Blythe, So folks in Canada know a trombone when they see it? I've heard people thank me for playing my "trumpet", "French horn", and -- my favorite -- "saxophone". As for the comment on scales, perhaps they never recognized a trombone by ear unless it was doing a glissando, so that's all they knew it could do? Dave Burch Home with the flu and wasting time on the Internet ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1939 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:54:27 -0500 From: "Thomas Smee" To: Subject: Re: Practice Time Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This has reminded me of a story I heard about Herb Besson, formerly of Vancouver, now in New York , I think. I don't know Herb or even care if its true or not - I just like the story. I heard that, to get in enough practice time, he used to take his trombone in the car and park in Vancouver's Stanley Park, fold the front seats forward all the way, then sit in the back seat and practise late at night. And I can tell you that this is not what most folks are doing in the back seat of a car parked in Stanley Park late at night! ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1939 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:57:28 -0500 From: "Aaron Roth" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Evolution to (not of) the trombone [Related to: evolutie.gif] Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Yeah, that's a good one. I mailed it out to a few interested members, and everyone else is invited to take a look at it. -Aaron Roth Joseph Green said: An image similar to the evolutie.gif can be found at the site of the trombone section of the Western Carolina University marching band: http://members.aol.com/wcuband/tbone/ The evolution-to-trombone cartoon is on that page, but you'll need to scroll down to find it. ++++++++++++++++++ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1939 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:09:41 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: TSMee@dwb.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Practice Time Message-ID: <3A771F85.8B4DAADA@bcsd.k12.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Same kind of story about Glenn Miller. Supposedly, he would drive up in the foothills around Boulder, Colo, where he would practice by headlights. When the battery would run low, he coasted back home. Well, a story is a story. (:>)) All the best, Gary Maxwell Bass Trombone (Never practiced in the hills around Ft. Collins, Colo.) Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra ================================================================ Thomas Smee wrote: > > This has reminded me of a story I heard about Herb Besson, formerly of Vancouver, now in New York , I think. I don't know Herb or even care if its true or not - I just like the story. I heard that, to get in enough practice time, he used to take his trombone in the car and park in Vancouver's Stanley Park, fold the front seats forward all the way, then sit in the back seat and practise late at night. And I can tell you that this is not what most folks are doing in the back seat of a car parked in Stanley Park late at night! ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1939 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:30:43 -0700 From: Steve Gamble To: "'richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Practice Time Message-ID: <01C08AC9.3B0C5F20.orchpers@azstarnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tim's suggestion of using a timer is a good one. When I am really pressed for time, if I set the timer on my watch for 30 or 45 minutes and promise myself that I am going to keep playing until it goes off, I can get quite a bit of work done. I don't even allow myself the distraction of looking at my watch to see how long I have been at it. I just keep playing until the signal sounds. It's very taxing mentally, but I can accomplish a lot. (Maybe I should always practice that way.) Steve Gamble -----Original Message----- From: Richardson, Tim [SMTP:richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 10:12 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: RE: Practice Time I get in 20 minutes in the morning before work, this is enough to get through the Remington sample routine or close. I am not a morning person and it was painful to start but now it is a habit. Come to think of it, still painful. Then I try for 30 minutes after supper, and another 30 before bed. This is absolutely all the time I feel comfortable taking away from other responsibilities (family, fix-it stuff, exercise, etc.). There is more time in the day but young kids are (deservedly) a higher priority. where working people with a family get time for 3 hours per day I don't know, a lot of them claim to though. I also wish I'd put in some concentrated effort while young. Coasting is easy, progressing is not. Many people do not time their practice; I use a big radio shack kitchen timer, and I stop it if I have to answer the phone, so i know my 30 minutes is 30 minutes of actual playing. Someday I'll build a sound activated timer and find out how many minutes of actual tone I am doing. yours, Tim Richardson > -----Original Message----- > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1939 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:08:39 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Practice Time Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed If you throw out your TV, you'll have loads of time to practice. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1939 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 23:24:17 -0600 From: "Richard Zemry Johnson" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Practice Time Message-ID: <000a01c08a7c$e7c81080$6cce4fd8@zemry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After reading these posts, I see that I do have a lot more time to practice than I think that I do. I could practice instead of looking at this computer screen so much. I usually practice at night from about 10:00-11:00 if I'm not sleepy. I've started leaving my horn out on the stand. I tend to practice more when it is looking at me! My wife and my oldest child do not mind me practicing. My youngest daughter detests the sound of my playing. However, she loves to listens to J.J. Johnson's Pinnacles cd while she is doing housework. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1939 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:05:47 +0900 From: Joseph Green To: Trombone-L Subject: Re: Practice Time Message-ID: <3A7756D7.1905@m.u-tokyo.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ?Practice time? OK, since you asked... One important point about practice time is to know yourself. I know that I'm very easily distracted, and I know that the kind of practice that benefits me most is possible only if I'm really isolated from other people, and in my case "isolated" means both in time and in space. So here's what I *TRY* to do on weekdays. Early morning session: Wake up at 4:00; leave home before 5, so I can catch the first train (5:07 or 5:12, depending on which route I take); arrive in the office about 6:00 or 6:15; practice (with frequent breaks -- I need them) and read the Trombone-L digest. Notice that the early morning session doesn't start until about 2 hours after I wake up. (Two reasons for doing the early morning session in the office rather than at home: first, at home I'd have to use a mute; second, I'd end up on a later train, which means I'd be standing all the way and squeezed like a sardine in a can -- a bad way to start the day.) Mid-day session: If possible, cut lunch time short and practice with a mute. Evening session: Get home in time for a short practice session before going to sleep (at 9:00 or 9:30). Of course, this doesn't always work. Like everyone else who's posted on this thread, I too have a list of non-trombone commitments. In fact, its pretty rare for me to work all three sessions into one day, but that's what I try for. Getting to sleep early so I can get up early is the key; then the early morning session is doable. Its also the most productive, because early morning has the fewest distractors. For many years I was a "night person", probably for the same reason -- its easier to concentrate when everyone else is asleep. JG +++++++++++++++ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1939 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:02:40 -0500 From: "Paul D. Kemp Jr." To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Slide Maintenance Message-ID: <006401c08b29$ff034be0$df621a3f@pauljr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0061_01C08AFF.FBB04260" Dear Listers: I have been very busy, but I do read the trombone-l messages daily, and I can usually glean something from them. Someone mentioned something about my slide maintenance formula, and it is true that I posted a quite lengthy regimen several years ago. I can simplify it some here, and if this regimen is followed faithfully, it will enhance your playing technique, as well as keeping your slide out of the shop. I have posted quite a fewÊof these thingsÊon my website, but periodically, they bear repeating here for the new members who join our ranks. First of all, if you haven't done so, I would highly recommend that you visit John Upchurch's website at www.slidedr.com . Most of whatÊI have learned about slides I have learned from this extremely generous man, and he gives all of the essentials to having a great slide in this concise website.Ê Most of the problems that I have encountered with students' slides (and some professionals, I might add) has to do with keeping the slide clean.ÊWhen I say clean, I mean REALLY CLEAN. When a slide comes from the factory, it is not clean. Clean, in my book, means that the inside of the outer tubes areÊpolished. If you're still in the dark about what I'm talking about, take some Brasso and polish the part of your tuning slide that fits into the bell. (Incidentally, don't use Brasso on lacquered surfaces, as it will take the lacquer off. If you do get some on a laquered surface, be sure to wipe it off immediately. ) You will notice that the brass will turn very, very black. After you wipe the Brasso off, you will begin to notice an extremely beautiful luster. This is what you want the inside of the slide tubes to be like.Ê 1) Pour a small amount of Brasso in each tube. AÊtablespoonÊfull will do. 2) With a straight cleaning rod threaded with a paper towel (if you have .547 bore or .562 slide) or a paper napkin for the .525 bore or smaller instruments,Êinsert the cleaning rod into one of the slide tubes and work each tube about 100-150 times, and really concentrate on the lower 8" of the tube, as it seems this is where most of the oxidation occurs. The metal should get warm or hot to the touch.ÊBe sure to hold on to the tube that you are working on so that you do not bend the tubes out of alignment. 3) After you've really Brassoed out each tube, use Dawn Dishwashing Detergent & water or Go-Jo Hand Cleaner & waterÊto remove the residue left by the Brasso. Wash the slide out with a snake, and notice the color of the water as you dump the water out ofÊthe outer slide. It should be gray to black.Ê 4) Take a clean paper towel or napkin threaded through the cleaning rod and dry out the outer tubes. If this paper towel comes out black, that's OK. You probably won't be able to get all of it out right away. ÊÊÊ 5) Now is a good time to check your alignment. Work the slide dry, inserting theÊtop tube (the one the mouthpiece goes in) in the top outer slide tube (the one with the slide lock). It should work very freely, with no hesitation. If it binds up, then you have bowed tubes, and you need to have them straightened. Repeat the same with the other pair of tubes. Then try both sets of tubes together. If they work freely, you're good to go. If not, then you have a distance problem somewhere between the U-bend and the hand brace. It's time to have this problem remedied, because if you don't it will wear the chrome plating off the inner tubes in short order, depending on how severe the problem is. ÊÊÊ 6) Use a small amount of cream (Superslik or Conn). Here's where a lot of people go wrong. Usually, you can get enough on the end of your index finger, and this will be enough forÊBOTH tubes. Apply the cream to the stockings (the lower 3" of the inner slide tubes). There should not be any of the white of the cream showing as you rub the cream into the tubes. 7) Transfer the cream from the inner tubes to the inside of the outer tubes by working them together. 40-50 times should do it.Ê 8) Wipe the remaining cream off the inner slides. It might come out black, but that's OK. The cream acts as a cleaning agent, and if you repeat this 2-3 a week, eventually you will get more and more of the black out, and consequently your slide will become faster with each cleaning. 9) Use 1 drop of the Superslik silicone or Conn Formula 3 and rub it over the entire inner slide suface until it is warm to the touch.Ê 10) Spray with water, insert the inner tubes into the outer tubes, and it should FLY out of 1st position. It should also be very quiet. Even if you have had your slide chemically cleaned, you need to polish the outer tubes so that they are very shiny. If any of you have ever stripped the laquer off a bell, then polished it with Brasso, you know just how shiny brass can get. That's what you want on the inside of the outer slide tubes. ABOUTÊTHE TEFLON TREATMENTS. John Upchurch feels that his Superslide treatment helps to retard the oxidation process. I have the upmost respect for John, but in my experience, if you would Brasso out your outer tubes every 6 months, this teflon treatment isn't necessary. Quick story: Mike Carver, our bass trombonist in the Chattanooga Symphony, came to me Sunday afternoon and said that he was going to have to send his slide to John. I felt the slide, and recommended that he useÊBrasso the inside of the outer tubes very well and useÊDawn Dishwashing Detergent to wash out the residue. He did it and he saved himself $65 for a slide setup. The slide was REMARKABLY better Monday night at rehearsal.Ê ÊÊÊHere's something else. About 10 years ago, I bought aÊbrass Bach 42 slide from someone. I took a look atÊthe inside of the outer tubes, and they were COMPLETELY BLACK. I cut a piece of a worn out 3M scrubbie pad 1" x 3" and threaded into a cleaning rod, and using just Dawn Dishwashing Detergent, I scrubbed the inside of the outer tubes. The black started ROLLING out of them. In fact, I had to scrub each tube 3 different times in order to get all of the black out. Now mind you--this was an EXTREME case of OXIDATION. I then sent the slide to John Upchurch, and he straightened the tubes, and he said that I had doneÊa FANTASTIC job of cleaning them out. That slide was the envy of all of the trombone players in this town. Moral--if you've never polished the inside of the outer tubes, they will eventually turn BLACK, and you will have to remove this oxidation before your slide will be quick and smooth. Drastic measures for drastic situations.Ê Don't worry aboutÊremoving the metal off the inside of the slide with Brasso. It will take a very long time (many, many years)Êbefore you increase theÊtolerances between the inner and outer slides even a little bit. Also, Brass also works very well on nickel silver slides.Ê OTHER THINGS TO CONSIDER If your tubes are bent, or if there is a distance problem between the U-bend and the hand brace, there's a good possibility that they came from the factory that way, and you just learned to live with it. However, here's what you can do to eradicate warping your slide after you've had it straightened. 1) NEVER stand your trombone on the slide. The weight of the horn will eventually bow the tubes something like a banana. 2) NEVER sit on your case. Your weight will quickly bow the slide out of alignment. 3) Make sure your case, particularly the slide compartment, is good and sturdy, and if you can avoid it, do notÊset your trombone on the ground in the case with the weight of the case on the slide. Stand your case on the end if possible.Ê 4) If your trombone is out of the case, and you must set it down, set it down so that the bell, tuning slideÊ& mouthpiece touch the table of floor simultaneously.Ê 5) ALWAYS use a trombone stand. NeverÊtake your trombone anywhere without it.Ê I trust that this will be helpful to all of you, both young and old,Êstudent and professional. If your slide is in the shop, then you can't play, and the fewer times that your slide has to be straightened, the longer it will last. Brass is very soft, and it only has so much metal memory, and after a while the tubes can become very soft, where you can almost look at them crosseyed and they will bend. Nickel silver is much better, as it tempers harder than brass: therfore it's harder to knock a nickel silver slide out of alignment, but it's also harder toÊput it back once it has been knocked out.Ê Sincerely, Paul Kemp Chattanooga Symphony www.trbnplyr.comÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1939 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:45:22 EST From: AlexS15017@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Jon Stabinski Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A winner of Eastern Trombone Workshop Trombone Competition young bass trombonist Jon Stabinski died in a car accident. He was in his early twenties. He will be greatly missed by everyone who knew him. Alex Siniavski Philadelphia ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1939 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:52:39 -0500 From: "Justin Miller" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Practice Time Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > doesn't help that I have to be to work at 4:15 am. That, paired with a > family who will awake at the sound of a dog barking in the next > city, mean > that practicing at odd times of the night is not possible. My > family doesn't > like to hear me practice when they are awake either. Oh, do I ever hear this... > Does anyone have any experience with this one? Any chance you > want to take > my parents for a couple hours a day? I have two of my own, but it didn't hurt to ask, did it? Sorry I couldn't help at all, but I thought you might at least like to know that you're not alone. =) Justin Miller Geneva College http://www.geneva.edu ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1939 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:36:08 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Practice Time Message-ID: <004301c08b69$7edb44a0$cd0ffd3e@q9y6f8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 11:08 PM Subject: RE: Practice Time > If you throw out your TV, you'll have loads of time to practice. I need to practice throwing out the TV. It's one of those big heavy ones. A. Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk www.adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1939 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:00:21 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Practice Time Message-ID: <007901c08b6c$d64d68a0$cd0ffd3e@q9y6f8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Correspondent not known > My family doesn't > like to hear me practice when they are awake. No problem. Play while they're asleep. A. Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk www.adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1939--