TROMBONE-L Digest 1931 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Trombone vs Euphonium mystery by "Richardson, Tim" 2) Re: Trombone vs Euphonium mystery by Walter Barrett 3) Mike Hall Lecture/Recital, 1/29/2001 by Chris Waage 4) Burns Jazz by "Rod Ellard" 5) Bach arranged by Rochut by Joseph Green 6) RE: Bach arranged by Rochut by "Gary Greenhoe" 7) Laubin Brass Ensemble by "Roger Carmichael" 8) Re: Trombone vs Euphonium mystery by "Adrian Drover" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1931 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:41:54 -0500 From: "Richardson, Tim" To: "'trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu'" Subject: Trombone vs Euphonium mystery Message-ID: <21E592FA8BA7D311B5B100062B001FE206F12A73@LEE2> I've been playing a little euphonium lately and have come upon a strange (to me) thing. I have an old beat up Martin 3 valve euphonium. Not having a trigger I've been playing false tones in that range, and was very surprised to find they don't line up with the trombone ones. For example, on trombone I play Eb (below the staff) in 3rd, and D in 4th. (I know some people recommend playing a position lower than that of the octave above, but I don't do that.) On the euph that Eb won't speak at all first valve, but it locks in nicely in Open. And that D is hopeless in 4th, but does really well in 2cnd valve. I've tried going back and forth from trombone to euph and what works on euph will not work on trombone, and vice versa. Actually the false tones lock better and have more tone on the euph than trombone. Anyone have an explanation? I'm not a euph player but I'm going to the tuba-euph conference this week so I've been playing some scales. Maybe this is standard for them? If it makes a difference, the trombone is a Bach 42-B with 6 1/2 AL large shank mouthpiece, the euphonium is a 3 valve Martin with 6 1/2 AL small shank mouthpiece and some leaks somewhere, I think in the valves, though it sounds fairly good. yours, Tim Richardson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1931 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:05:36 -0500 From: Walter Barrett To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Trombone vs Euphonium mystery Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 1/23/01 8:41 AM, Richardson, Tim at richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL sent forth into the cosmos: > I've been playing a little euphonium lately and have come upon a strange (to > me) thing. > > I have an old beat up Martin 3 valve euphonium. Not having a trigger I've > been playing false tones in that range, and was very surprised to find they > don't line up with the trombone ones. For example, on trombone I play Eb > (below the staff) in 3rd, and D in 4th. (I know some people recommend > playing a position lower than that of the octave above, but I don't do > that.) On the euph that Eb won't speak at all first valve, but it locks in > nicely in Open. And that D is hopeless in 4th, but does really well in 2cnd > valve. I've tried going back and forth from trombone to euph and what works > on euph will not work on trombone, and vice versa. Actually the false tones > lock better and have more tone on the euph than trombone. > > Anyone have an explanation? I'm not a euph player but I'm going to the > tuba-euph conference this week so I've been playing some scales. Maybe this > is standard for them? If it makes a difference, the trombone is a Bach 42-B > with 6 1/2 AL large shank mouthpiece, the euphonium is a 3 valve Martin with > 6 1/2 AL small shank mouthpiece and some leaks somewhere, I think in the > valves, though it sounds fairly good. > yours, > Tim Richardson > Tim- I've never been able to get the "false" tones to speak on tuba or euph at all, but I can do them on trombone and bass trumpet. I think the difference is most likely due to the conical vs. cylindrical bore shapes. When I paly them on trombone, I use what would be the F att. position, if I was using the valve (or the corresponding fingering on bass trumpet.) Next time I have the euph out, I'm gonna try that Eb open, D 2nd, although with a 4 valve compensating euph, I don't really need to fake those down there. Walter Barrett Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1931 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:28:06 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: Mike Hall Lecture/Recital, 1/29/2001 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" If you're in the area, this would be an excellent event to attend Subject: unique recital Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:39:32 -0600 X-RCPT-TO: Status: U Greetings, I'd like to invite you to attend my first faculty recital at KU! It has been a joy to assemble and will feature visual art and samples of historic manuscripts in addition to the music. Hope to see you there! Mike Some Little-known Embellishments of Corelli's Violin Sonatas Adapted for Alto Trombone Mike Hall, alto trombone Marie Rubis Bauer, harpsichord Laurence Rice, double bass Lecture/Recital Monday January 29, 2001 7:30 p.m. Swarthout Recital Hall Located within Murphy Hall on the University of Kansas campus This lecture/recital is an outgrowth of Dr. Hall's doctoral research. He will soon record all six chamber sonatas of Corelli's opus 5; Kagarice Brass Editions of Denton, TX is publishing his performance editions. These sonatas are the first in an on-going program of research designed to publish and record Baroque era music for trombone that includes solutions, suggestions and new techniques for realizing ornamentation and melodic embellishment. Mike Hall, Assistant Professor of Trombone Literature Reviews Editor, International Trombone Association Journal University of Kansas Dept. of Music 1530 Naismith Drive Room 452 Lawrence, KS 66045-3102 USA studio 785.864.4518 fax 785.864.5866 mhall@UKANS.EDU -- _________________________________________ Chris Waage chris@trombone.org Associate Webmaster The Online Trombone Journal http://www.trombone.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1931 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:26:09 -0800 From: "Rod Ellard" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Burns Jazz Message-ID: <000a01c08561$963ee4c0$527bfea9@Ellard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0851E.856CFF80" I watched the latest episode of Jazz last night. While I enjoyed it very much, especially the interviews with the musicians (I loved Milt Hinton's story of a few nights ago in which he described that his wifeÊtraveled with the band and while the band set up, she would go into the black neighborhoods and find food and a place to stay for the musicians. Usually had it all arranged by the end of the first set, he said.) Nevertheless, last night especially, one thought kept reoccurring: "Shut up Wynton!" Or, to paraphrase Frank Zappa: "Shut up and play your trumpet!" Rod ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1931 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 07:54:52 +0900 From: Joseph Green To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Bach arranged by Rochut Message-ID: <3A6E0BBB.1504@m.u-tokyo.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ?Looking through an old (copyright 1910 and 1923) French method book, I found that it contains a few short pieces written by Bach, and arranged for 2, 3, and 4 trombones by none other than Rochut! I recognize these pieces as "inventions" that Bach wrote for keyboard instruments, but I'd never before seen them arranged for trombones. The fact that the arrangements were done by Rochut makes them even more interesting (at least to me). Is this a real "find"? JG +++++++++++++++ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1931 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:13:14 -0600 From: "Gary Greenhoe" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Bach arranged by Rochut Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ?Hi Joseph, A real find, Yes! However I think Ralph Sauer beat Johannes to the punch with these....we've been playing Ralph's arrangements of 3 part inventions for centuries! ;-) Regards, Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Joseph Green Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 4:55 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Bach arranged by Rochut Looking through an old (copyright 1910 and 1923) French method book, I found that it contains a few short pieces written by Bach, and arranged for 2, 3, and 4 trombones by none other than Rochut! I recognize these pieces as "inventions" that Bach wrote for keyboard instruments, but I'd never before seen them arranged for trombones. The fact that the arrangements were done by Rochut makes them even more interesting (at least to me). Is this a real "find"? JG +++++++++++++++ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1931 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:50:00 -0500 From: "Roger Carmichael" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Laubin Brass Ensemble Message-ID: <005501c085a7$fa90cc40$6ffe183f@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0052_01C0857E.0D8A12E0" Periodically, I hear a track or two from "Bach for Brass" by the Laubin Brass Ensemble,Êa CDÊdated 1988. According to the Public Radio Station's librarian, it is on a DG label, number 423988. This is some of the cleanest, most articulate playing I've ever heard, particularily the trombone and tuba.Ê I have searched all the new/used CD sites I know and have not been able to locate a copy.ÊDoes anyone have a copy you would like to sell? Please reply privately off list. Thanks, Roger Carmichael ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1931 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:26:03 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Trombone vs Euphonium mystery Message-ID: <004801c085f0$30137280$8d09fd3e@q9y6f8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richardson, Tim" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 1:41 PM Subject: Trombone vs Euphonium mystery > I've been playing a little euphonium lately and have come upon a strange > (to me) thing. I had the same experience recently, until I discovered it wasn't a little euphonium at all, but an Eb tenor horn. Sorry Tim, couldn't resist. A. Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk www.adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1931--