TROMBONE-L Digest 1923 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: More on big bands (was Armstrong) by Richard Corliss 2) Mouthpiece plating. by "Daniel L. McConnell" 3) RE: Do-it-yourself slide repairs by "Harry Wootan" 4) Re: Mouthpiece plating. by Earl Needham 5) Same/close Armstrong jazz quote by "Michael Bryant" 6) belated thanks by "Nick Drozdoff" 7) Re: Do-it-yourself slide repairs by DenBlose@aol.com 8) Re: Same/close Armstrong jazz quote by Earl Needham 9) Re: Mahler Recordings by Jay Heltzer 10) Slide repair by Dave Molter 11) RE: Armstron jazz quote. by "Billy Cordova" 12) Re: Protec case by Gary Sloane 13) Tombone Commercial by "Paul Hill" 14) Re: Tombone Commercial by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 15) Re: Tombone Commercial by "Paul Hill" 16) Pro Tec Contour Bass Trombone Case by Steve Gamble 17) Re: Protec case by Beth Lewis 18) Re: Newer isn't always better by "Eric Burger" 19) Re: More on big bands (was Armstrong) by "Len Stephan" 20) Re: Tombone Commercial by sabutin@mindspring.com 21) Re: Tombone Commercial by "Chad Horsley" 22) Re: Tombone Commercial by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 23) Re: Pro Tec Contour Bass Trombone Case by "Roger Carmichael" 24) Re: Tombone Commercial by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 25) Re: Hartford Audition by Gabriel Langfur 26) by "Maria R. Tekle-Wolde" 27) Re: Mute Holder by BassBonist@aol.com 28) Re: mute holder by JoseYAYI@aol.com 29) RE: Mute Holder by "Andrew Elms" 30) Re: Mahler Recordings by Randy Campora 31) Re: Trombone Commercial by Walter Barrett 32) Re: Mute Holder by "Gary D. Maxwell" 33) Trigger Horns & Big Bands by "Jac Grimes" 34) Re: More on big bands (was Armstrong) by Richard Corliss 35) Re: Mahler Recordings - Desert Island by "Tom Izzo" 36) Hans Rott [WAS: Mahler recordings] by Joseph Green ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 06:05:20 -0600 From: Richard Corliss Cc: Trombone-l mailing Subject: Re: More on big bands (was Armstrong) Message-ID: <3A619600.82EDDFE9@astound.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If memory serves me right I heard the Grand Dominion Jazz Band out of Seattle play a couple of numbers with two bass saxes and once had a cd or tape where these two saxes traded fours or eights. Great stuff! Richard Corliss Christopher Smith wrote: > Doug, > > Yes, bass saxes were played quite extensively as a bass instrument and > probably to a lesser extent as a solo instrument. > > > > Chris > www.geocities.com/~christo > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 07:58:50 -0500 From: "Daniel L. McConnell" To: Subject: Mouthpiece plating. Message-ID: <01ed01c07e29$be787c60$91a6a918@stny.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01EA_01C07DFF.D47D7C60" Hello everyone, It has been a treat being able to get back on the list after a couple of years. Anyway I was wondering, I have a gold plated mouthpiece and it has a few small places where the gold is starting to wear off. I have asked a few people in the area and the only answer I get for replating it is to check at a jewlers. Does anyone know of someplace that replates gold mouthpieces and how much it would cost? If it is too much should I just buy a new mouthpiece. Thanks for the help. Dan Trombonedm@Yahoo.com Trombonedm@stny.rr.com Daniel L. McConnell 136 Temple Street Owego, N.Y. 13827 (607)687-8148 Owego Apalachin School District ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 08:16:43 -0600 From: "Harry Wootan" To: "Tricky Sam" , "Trombone-L" Cc: "Harry Wootan" Subject: RE: Do-it-yourself slide repairs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Chris, As several have said, contact the Slide Doctor. You might even consider driving up from Milledgeville to Gainesville (GA) ... after talking to him, of course. I've heard reports from folks who have had their slides repaired while they waited! I imagine he'd be even more accomodating since you're having two slides done. Ask him about setting up an early afternoon repair (right after lunch). Drive up in the morning, wait on the slides, and drive home that night with 2 great slides! Or you could ship them to him ... one at a time if you need to keep one. I believe he can ship you a box for your slide (to avoid the large box needed to ship your entire case). I'm sure the whole thing could be done in a week or so (including shipping time). Just be sure he knows your slides are coming. In any event ... CALL HIM! -- Harry hpw@mindspring.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Tricky Sam [mailto:alskar@alltel.net] > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 12:21 PM > To: Trombone-L > Subject: Do-it-yourself slide repairs > > > Point taken. I will not try to attempt repairs myself. The > problem is not > so much a lack of competent repairmen, or exceedingly high > prices, but that > everyone within a hundred miles seems to be so busy that I wonÕt > see my horn > again for two months, unless I want to pay for a rush job (or go to a > repairman whose prices are extra high in the first place). I did > read some > good things about the Slide Dr on the internet last night. > On a slightly different note, maybe IÕm just not sure what repair > times and > prices should be. What should I expect to pay and how long > should I expect > to wait for a slide repair? IÕm sure, after reading the slide dr website, > that I donÕt know everything that goes into one. > On a slightly differenter note, how does one go about learning trombone > repair? > > If anyone can suggest someone in the Milledgeville, GA area, IÕll be happy > to call them. ItÕs more than possible (extremely likely) that I > donÕt know > most of the repairmen in this area. This is the first repair > that IÕve ever > had to have done (in ten years of owning a decent trombone). > > Chris Strickland > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 07:41:59 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombonedm@stny.rr.com, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Mouthpiece plating. Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010114074049.00ad69a0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:58 AM 1/14/01 -0500, Daniel L. McConnell blasted the following out into the ether: Hello everyone, It has been a treat being able to get back on the list after a couple of years. Anyway I was wondering, I have a gold plated mouthpiece and it has a few small places where the gold is starting to wear off. I have asked a few people in the area and the only answer I get for replating it is to check at a jewlers. Does anyone know of someplace that replates gold mouthpieces and how much it would cost? If it is too much should I just buy a new mouthpiece. Thanks for the help. I've had several done by jewelry outfits over the past 20 years or so. They do an OK job, but you have to tell them you want a MIRROR finish. Otherwise you'll possibly get a satin finish, which is a bit weird to play on. Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446m W103d 12.700m (or so) Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, you breathe...) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 07:23:57 -0800 From: "Michael Bryant" To: Subject: Same/close Armstrong jazz quote Message-ID: <004d01c07e3e$04e89f40$2be5c9d0@brass> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004A_01C07DFA.F5435320" Adrian and List, Though it's just from memory, my favorite Louis Armstrong jazz quote is a version of the one Adrian referred to: "If you ain't got it in you, you can't blow it out." Just lovely. - Mike Bryant ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 09:23:11 -0800 From: "Nick Drozdoff" To: Subject: belated thanks Message-ID: <007e01c07e4f$24b60a40$03bbd0cf@s6d2w6> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many of you posted advice re. Christian Lindeberg mpces and/or contacted me directly about them. Thanks so much for the information. I am going to go to a music store and try them out. If they suit me, at least one list member has offered to sell me some, so I will then make second contact. I am now using two different mouthpieces depending on what I am trying to do when I play trombone. I use a Schilke 51B for more general playing. For hot-dog high note loud stuff, I use a Schilke 40B. The 40B seems to be good for playing with a hot sound and really speaks well in the high register, but it has a very funky sound and feel for me when I try to play down low on it. The 51B is much wider with a much more normal looking rim. It feels fine down low and seems to produce a decent tone. However, when I try to play high on it (the 51B) it blows very flat and with a rather whispy sound. My consideration of the CL mpces. was due to a couple of ideas that popped into my head. I am not going to be a screaming hot lead player ala Steve Wiest, so I shouldn't make that my main focus. I also want to be able to play with an acceptable sound in all NORMAL registers. It seemed that the CL mpces. MIGHT be a good compromise between the two I am alredy using, but that might be a mistake on my part. Hence, I'll follow the wisdom of the posts that I was able to read that encouraged me to experiment a bit before I leap in buying. Thanks. Nick Drozdoff http://www.mp3.com/NickDrozdoff ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 10:31:57 EST From: DenBlose@aol.com To: ealewis@indiana.edu, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Do-it-yourself slide repairs Message-ID: <5a.fb65af4.2793206d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_5a.fb65af4.2793206d_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline In a message dated 01/14/2001 1:31:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, ealewis@indiana.edu writes: He's good at answering stupid slide-related questions too I'll second that. ÊI e-mail John a few times and he offered cleaning, and lubrication advice that improved my slide immensely. ÊIf I ever need work done on my slide(s) I wouldn't think of anyone else except John. Dennis ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 08:52:09 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Same/close Armstrong jazz quote Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010114085131.00ae2e40@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:23 AM 1/14/01 -0800, Michael Bryant blasted the following out into the ether: Adrian and List, Though it's just from memory, my favorite Louis Armstrong jazz quote is a version of the one Adrian referred to: "If you ain't got it in you, you can't blow it out." I thought it was "you can't blow unless you's cleaned out real good"... Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446m W103d 12.700m (or so) Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, you breathe...) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 10:16:51 -0600 From: Jay Heltzer To: rd.jukes@sympatico.ca Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Mahler Recordings Message-ID: <3A61D0F2.A3BB146B@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While on the topic of reccomended recordings etc., I came across a resource that I find very helpful in finding "that" recording of "that" piece you are looking for. Also it opens your eyes to other recordings that you never knew existed but you might want to own. Here is the best part: it is from the perspective of a low brass player. It is called "Orchestral Recordings for Low Brass Players" by Gerald Sloan and published by Encore Music Publishers. (#9143) It is the result of a year long survey performed by Mr. Sloan in which he polled approx. 80 trombonists and tubists on their reccomendations for recordings of orchestral pieces pure and simple. Some players plug their own, some plug others. It is well organized with some detailed comments about certain "licks" that we all want to hear, coupled with their exact time location as well. A fantastic purchase to add to your orchestral/trombone heavy CD library. Jay Heltzer ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 11:58:43 -0500 From: Dave Molter To: trombone-L Subject: Slide repair Message-ID: <3A61DAC3.8D208266@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Strickland asked about slide repair. In Pittsburgh, slide alignment costs about $65, which includes removal of small dents. anything more, you pay accordingly. If the shop isn't busy and you stress it's an emergency, you can get in back in one day. More likely, it's a week turnaround. John Upchurch (www.slidedr.com) goes above and beyond this as explained on his site. It's $65, plus $10 or so for the wooden shipping box he uses plus shipping both ways. However, once he does the slide, it's done right. You likely won't have to have it done again for years unless you drop or otherwise smash it. He rescued a badly bowed, rusted Olds slide (tuning in the slide from the mid-60s) for me and turned it around in under five days. Dave Molter Pittsburgh, PA ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 11:37:49 -0600 From: "Billy Cordova" To: "Trombone-L" Subject: RE: Armstron jazz quote. Message-ID: <002c01c07e50$b6f88e40$2ddeb4d0@sfasu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My favorite is one he told a lady reporter when she asked him to define jazz - "Lady, if you gotta ask, you'll never know." Billy I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it - Voltaire ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 10:22:04 -0800 From: Gary Sloane To: Beth Lewis , trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Protec case Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 1:28 PM -0500 1/13/01, Beth Lewis wrote: Hi everyone, I've been using a protec case with my new horn, but during a recent flight (I had to gate-check it since it was a turbo prop with almost no overhead compartment space) it put a small dent in my neckpipe. There seems to be a staple or other hard object sticking out a little under the case's lining where the dent occurred. So has anyone had this happen before, and how could I repair the case, or should I just return it (which I've done once already since the first case didn't even fit the instrument)? Thanks, Beth Lewis Beth, There was a flurry of discussion about just this manufacturing flaw on the list a couple of years ago, so for a full recap, you might want to search the archives. I've got two of these cases and, upon close inspection, I found the offending staples (near the middle of the slide compartment, where you can't see them). There are various ways you can knock them further in, but the easiest solution is to put some protection over that area. I just took the chamois cloth that I kept in the case anyway and put it over the slide section before putting the slide away; that way, it's protected from scratching. If you're about to buy a new Protec case, run your hand through that area (carefully!) to make sure it has no staples or tacks sticking through. Good luck! Gary ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 09:30:47 -0900 From: "Paul Hill" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Tombone Commercial Message-ID: <000301c07e58$1e16b3c0$fb43fea9@navak-n01n> BoneHeads, So here I am watching the Vikings/Giants game, emailing a few buddies when this HIDEOUS commercial appears... A guy is playing "Home on the Range" worse than a 4th grader. Words such as "dirty" , "filthy" and "stinky" appear. It is a CITIBANK commercial which proclaims that "there is more to life than money" (true). Then our elder Tbn'ist begins playing "Saints". Sure, I get the point...and it's a wonderful point! Well...even bad visibility is still VISIBILITY! After all, the TROMBONE was front and center! Now I have to wonder if it was "one of use" who played THAT gig! Fess up! Best Regards, Paul ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:46:48 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: pdhill@email.msn.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Tombone Commercial Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hoosieranna spells it One of Youse. beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 10:27:45 -0900 From: "Paul Hill" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Tombone Commercial Message-ID: <000e01c07e60$1336e9e0$fb43fea9@navak-n01n> OOPS!!! This was written during one of the numerous first half TDs...sorry...I meant "us". I don't know anything about "youse"... I'd better go practice! Best, Paul ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 12:45:30 -0700 From: Steve Gamble To: "Trombone List (E-mail)" Subject: Pro Tec Contour Bass Trombone Case Message-ID: <01C07E27.E138E340.orchpers@azstarnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Everyone, I think someone asked this or a similar question not too long ago, but, I sheepishly admit, I wasn't paying attention. I'm considering a Pro Tec Contour case to replace the gig bag I use for my bass trombone, but I haven't been able to find one to look at here in Tucson. My horn is a 9.5 inch bell double in-line thayer Bach. Can anyone out there tell me the pros and cons on how this case will work for my horn? Thanks much. Steve Gamble ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 16:03:04 -0500 (EST) From: Beth Lewis To: Gary Sloane Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Protec case Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thanks for the reply Gary. Upon further examination of the problem (it had to do with the bell section, not the slide, though), I saw that a screw was jutting out of the side of the cardboard-like part that holds the bell section (there are 6 or so of them attaching the cardboard-like thingy to the lid of the compartment). I removed it and voila--now the case isn't as hazardous. So we can add one more thing to our list of possible defects to check protec cases for. Thankfully the case doesn't seem to to have the staple problem in the slide compartment that others have described. Beth Lewis On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, Gary Sloane wrote: > Beth, > > There was a flurry of discussion about just this > manufacturing flaw on the list a couple of years > ago, so for a full recap, you might want to search > the archives. > > I've got two of these cases and, upon close inspection, > I found the offending staples (near the middle of the > slide compartment, where you can't see them). There > are various ways you can knock them further in, but > the easiest solution is to put some protection over that > area. I just took the chamois cloth that I kept in the > case anyway and put it over the slide section before > putting the slide away; that way, it's protected from > scratching. > > If you're about to buy a new Protec case, run your hand > through that area (carefully!) to make sure it has no > staples or tacks sticking through. > > Good luck! > > Gary > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:41:18 +0100 From: "Eric Burger" To: "Paul D. Kemp Jr." , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Newer isn't always better Message-ID: <000001c07e6f$56034b60$0c48d3d4@computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0053_01C07E59.951A6CE0" My next point has to do with the wayÊbeginning students are taught in band. When it comes to rhythm and time, most are ABSOLUTELY CLUELESS. It seems that the main objective is to get instruments into the hands of the kids just as quickly as possible. It seemed to me that for at least the first 6 weeks of band class, it would be time much better spent learning the basic rudiments of music AWAY FROM THE INSTRUMENT. SO RIGHT. But I think there is even a better way. I had taught K-8 for years, and used the Mary Ellen Richards charts (based on Kodaly) for grades 1-4, like I had had in my youth. When the students came to band, they could read notation, count rhythms, and had a such as easy go of it, that I could teach technique and tone... I wonder if anyone still uses these? Eric Burger ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:47:18 -0800 From: "Len Stephan" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: More on big bands (was Armstrong) Message-ID: <001401c07e73$92234e20$b45a0018@sttln1.wa.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Uptown Lowdown Jazz Band out of Seattle has two bass saxes. See http://www.jazzbymail.com/artists/uljb.html and http://www.uptownlowdownjazz.com/index.html Len Stephan ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Corliss To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 4:05 AM Subject: Re: More on big bands (was Armstrong) > > > If memory serves me right I heard the Grand Dominion Jazz Band out of Seattle > play a couple of numbers with two bass saxes and once had a cd or tape where > these two saxes traded fours or eights. Great stuff! > > Richard Corliss > > Christopher Smith wrote: > > > Doug, > > > > Yes, bass saxes were played quite extensively as a bass instrument and > > probably to a lesser extent as a solo instrument. > > > > > > > > Chris > > www.geocities.com/~christo > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 16:57:02 -0500 From: sabutin@mindspring.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Tombone Commercial Message-ID: <200101142159.QAA19081@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:27 AM 1/14/01 -0900, you wrote: >OOPS!!! > >This was written during one of the numerous first half TDs...sorry...I meant >"us". ===================== I'm sorry, I weas watching the game w/the sound off while doing other things... Are you saying I missed a bunch of Tommy Dorsey solos? S. P.S. As a New Yorker, I've just GOTTA say this...seriously folks, HOW ABOUT THEM GIANTS !!!!! ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 16:43:15 -0600 From: "Chad Horsley" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Tombone Commercial Message-ID: <006801c07e7b$62b54d20$3996fea9@nch1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I must agree with Paul on this one. Many people spent there whole life working as hard as they can for great gigs........and they got that guy. Very interesting commercial..........Really shocked myself and a few fellow trombonists. In all honesty.....wish I had that gig. $$$$$$$$ ---------------------------------------------------- Chad Horsley tbneplyer@mindspring.com AIM....tbneplyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hill" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 12:30 PM Subject: Tombone Commercial > BoneHeads, > > So here I am watching the Vikings/Giants game, emailing a few buddies when > this HIDEOUS commercial appears... > > A guy is playing "Home on the Range" worse than a 4th grader. Words such as > "dirty" , "filthy" and "stinky" appear. It is a CITIBANK commercial which > proclaims that "there is more to life than money" (true). Then our elder > Tbn'ist begins playing "Saints". > > Sure, I get the point...and it's a wonderful point! Well...even bad > visibility is still VISIBILITY! After all, the TROMBONE was front and > center! > > Now I have to wonder if it was "one of use" who played THAT gig! Fess up! > > Best Regards, > Paul > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:21:09 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: pdhill@email.msn.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Tombone Commercial Message-ID: <4f.6199d38.27939c75@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Naw don't practice it will make you self conscious. Jist Visit Indiana sometime.,yall. beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:30:36 -0500 From: "Roger Carmichael" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Pro Tec Contour Bass Trombone Case Message-ID: <004e01c07e8a$64850640$837a0b3f@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve, I use the Protec contour bass trombone case for my Shires double rotor. By simply positioning the end block against the tuning slide, the bell section will not move inside the case. There is plenty of extra space for soft items in the bell section area. I carry my extra leadpipes in a large piece of foam rubber without any problems. There is a compartment for two mouthpieces and other junk on one end and an area for other stuff on the small end. Protec's web site is www.ptcases.com. Regards, Roger Carmichael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gamble" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 2:45 PM Subject: Pro Tec Contour Bass Trombone Case > Hello Everyone, > > I think someone asked this or a similar question not too long ago, but, I > sheepishly admit, I wasn't paying attention. I'm considering a Pro Tec > Contour case to replace the gig bag I use for my bass trombone, but I > haven't been able to find one to look at here in Tucson. My horn is a 9.5 > inch bell double in-line thayer Bach. Can anyone out there tell me the > pros and cons on how this case will work for my horn? Thanks much. > > Steve Gamble > > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:30:34 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: tbneplyer@mindspring.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Tombone Commercial Message-ID: <39.f46d33b.27939eaa@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How old was this guy. Fessin up Nary me. Only playin' free gigs. beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 16:36:16 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Hartford Audition Message-ID: <20010115003616.31114.qmail@web10304.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yes, originally from around there, more recently in NY. Dave went to UT Austin for his undergrad I'm pretty sure. I had the pleasure of playing with him for a couple of years in the Rhode Island Philharmonic before he went to Italy for a while. Gabe --- Dean McCarty wrote: > Is this the same David Garcia that is from the > Austin, TX area by chance > that won that audition? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gabriel Langfur > > > David Garcia won the audition, > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:07:31 -0600 From: "Maria R. Tekle-Wolde" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all... Anyone know where I can go about getting a clip for a music stand for say a... straight mute.. either that or recommendations for real quick and very often mute changes.. I would do the old stick it between your legs but with the concert dress on.. I'm in a black concert dress and am scared I might drop the mute.. Thanks All.. Maria R. Tekle-Wolde ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:18:04 EST From: BassBonist@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Mute Holder Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maria writes: << Hello all... Anyone know where I can go about getting a clip for a music stand for say a... straight mute.. either that or recommendations for real quick and very often mute changes.. >> There is a plastic gizmo that clips to music stands that will hold a mute, and, I think it's made under either the LaVoz or Humes & Berg names. Any retailer who is a dealer for H&B or Rico Reeds (LaVoz) ought to be able to get 'em for you. Matt ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:28:57 EST From: JoseYAYI@aol.com To: Subject: Re: mute holder Message-ID: <9d.fe2bf93.2793ac5a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Manhasset makes a mute holder , you should be able to get from any music store Joe Hello all... Anyone know where I can go about getting a clip for a music stand for say a... straight mute.. either that or recommendations for real quick and very often mute changes.. I would do the old stick it between your legs but with the concert dress on.. I'm in a black concert dress and am scared I might drop the mute.. Thanks All.. Maria R. Tekle-Wolde ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:33:54 -0500 From: "Andrew Elms" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Mute Holder Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This mute clip thingy doesn't fit on all music stands. Make sure before hand. Optionally, try holding it in the pit of your knee or possibly your armpit. The knee pit thing works pretty well. I find that I don't drop it as much from there as I do putting it between my knees. Andy -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of BassBonist@aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 8:18 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Mute Holder Maria writes: << Hello all... Anyone know where I can go about getting a clip for a music stand for say a... straight mute.. either that or recommendations for real quick and very often mute changes.. >> There is a plastic gizmo that clips to music stands that will hold a mute, and, I think it's made under either the LaVoz or Humes & Berg names. Any retailer who is a dealer for H&B or Rico Reeds (LaVoz) ought to be able to get 'em for you. Matt ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:38:11 -0500 From: Randy Campora To: jhfloyd@earthlink.net, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Mahler Recordings Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010114213549.00994e20@mail.telephonet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed This is an interesting booklet, but just let me add a note: when Gerry contacted me (and I assume it was the same with others he contacted) he not only asked about recordings that we liked in general but particularly which of our own orchestra's recordings do we like the best and are the most proud of. That is why you will see a lot of comments in there of players talking about their own recordings. At 11:16 AM 1/14/01 , Jay Heltzer wrote: While on the topic of reccomended recordings etc., I came across a resource that I find very helpful in finding "that" recording of "that" piece you are looking for. Also it opens your eyes to other recordings that you never knew existed but you might want to own. Here is the best part: it is from the perspective of a low brass player. It is called "Orchestral Recordings for Low Brass Players" by Gerald Sloan and published by Encore Music Publishers. (#9143) It is the result of a year long survey performed by Mr. Sloan in which he polled approx. 80 trombonists and tubists on their reccomendations for recordings of orchestral pieces pure and simple. Some players plug their own, some plug others. It is well organized with some detailed comments about certain "licks" that we all want to hear, coupled with their exact time location as well. A fantastic purchase to add to your orchestral/trombone heavy CD library. Jay Heltzer ~RC ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 22:06:09 -0500 From: Walter Barrett To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Trombone Commercial Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 1/14/01 5:43 PM, Chad Horsley at tbneplyer@mindspring.com sent forth into the cosmos: > I must agree with Paul on this one. Many people spent there whole life > working as hard as they can for great gigs........and they got that guy. > Very interesting commercial..........Really shocked myself and a few fellow > trombonists. > > In all honesty.....wish I had that gig. $$$$$$$$ > ---------------------------------------------------- > Chad Horsley > tbneplyer@mindspring.com I have a friend who plays 4th in the tuba quartet with me, and he's the one who did the recording for the Saturn commercial that was out a year or two ago. That was the one where the kid is practicing his sousaphone out in the field, "When The Saints Go Marching In", and when he's done, his Mom picks him up in the Saturn. He said that took a while to get it as bad as the producer wanted. My old teacher, Fred "Moe" Snyder, does a hysterical impression of a 4th grader playing a Bb scale on the trombone. Even though Fred's been playing for over 60 years, you'd swear it was only 1 month to hear him. Walter Barrett Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:07:05 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Mute Holder Message-ID: <002c01c07ea0$3fbb98e0$2c525d3f@garymaxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maria wrote: > Anyone know where I can go about getting a clip for a music stand > for say a... straight mute.. ======================================== It has yet to arrive, but I just purchased a brand new invention called a Clampit, from Dalton Music in Norfolk, Nebraska. I found it on eBay and got it for $15.00. It clamps to music stand and "supposedly can hold 3 trnor trbn. mutes. Check it out here, see what you think. www.2MIR.com/clampit All the best, Gary Maxwell Bass Trombone Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 23:36:56 -0500 From: "Jac Grimes" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Trigger Horns & Big Bands Message-ID: <00ae01c07eac$cbc47b20$a8c65818@triad.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AB_01C07E82.E21D6780" Hi Gang, We were doing some sight reading tonight in Big Band and ran across a couple licks that were quick and required considerable slide movement, (when I look at them and figure out the alternate positions to use thatÊmay help), Dan turns to Bob and says, "it helps to have a trigger". My response was" yeah, you know all the greats, Dorsey, Teagarden, Miller all those guys had triggers." Well when you look at photos of the big bands of the 40's, there's usually 4 bones and no f-attachments. There was a segment on "Sunday Morning" this morning about "Girl bands of the WW2 era." No triggers. In fact even in Nelson Riddle's orchestra in the 50's recording with Sinatra, you only saw one trigger horn and if I'm not mistaken that was a bass. Why is that? And if that's so then why is it so important to haveÊan F-attachmentÊtoday? Especially in big band. -Jac ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 23:33:37 -0600 From: Richard Corliss To: Len Stephan , Trombone-l mailing Subject: Re: More on big bands (was Armstrong) Message-ID: <3A628BB1.4248EBDB@astound.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Len, thanks for the correction. I had the right city, wrong band. It their "Cookin' with", vol. 2, that has two numbers with two bass saxes, and on the number 'Hiawatha' they trade fours. Richard Corliss Len Stephan wrote: > The Uptown Lowdown Jazz Band out of Seattle has two bass saxes. See > http://www.jazzbymail.com/artists/uljb.html and > http://www.uptownlowdownjazz.com/index.html > > Len Stephan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Corliss > To: Trombones and related issues forum. > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 4:05 AM > Subject: Re: More on big bands (was Armstrong) > > > > > > > If memory serves me right I heard the Grand Dominion Jazz Band out of > Seattle > > play a couple of numbers with two bass saxes and once had a cd or tape > where > > these two saxes traded fours or eights. Great stuff! > > > > Richard Corliss > > > > Christopher Smith wrote: > > > > > Doug, > > > > > > Yes, bass saxes were played quite extensively as a bass instrument and > > > probably to a lesser extent as a solo instrument. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > www.geocities.com/~christo > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:34:15 -0600 From: "Tom Izzo" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Mahler Recordings - Desert Island Message-ID: <00c001c07ebd$2ef1ef60$dd75dfd0@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C07E8A.E37D4C00" Darren, List, We've been discussing some Mahler 3 recordings and some others have chimed in with other recommendations for listening. I've always wanted to have some sort of Mahler party where a group of friends sit down and start with Symphony No 1 and finish sometime the next day with the 10th (yeah I know - it's my idea of fun) Anyway you could add some money to see who makes it to the end without crashing. Any prize would be more to offset the cost of therapy than any financial gain. So I thought I would propose a list of what I consider the Ideal Mahler Cycle ( A work in progress!) \ I did precisely that for years! About 1967-1975, two of us Mahler"nuts", would listen to Symph 1-10, then at least 4 of the song cycles (Kindertotenlieder, Das Lied von der Erde, etc). We were "armed" with the scores, & a cheesecake :-). We called the festivities "All night Mahler", & we did it during those, our school years, at least twice a month. We each had about 3-4 recordings of each work, so we never tired of any one version. If I had that kind of time now, I do it again in a heartbeat! I won't begin to suggest my cycle because I own 5-10 recordings of each Mahler Symphony (& song cycle). Tom ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:17:04 +0900 From: Joseph Green To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Hans Rott [WAS: Mahler recordings] Message-ID: <3A6295DD.1E93@m.u-tokyo.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ?One amazing thing that happend as I pursued my interest in Mahler was that I found out about Hans Rott, "the missing link between Bruckner and Mahler". Rott and Mahler were born only two years apart, but Rott died when he was 26. Listen to a recording of his one and only symphony, and remember that he wrote it about 10 years BEFORE Mahler wrote his first. (Two recordings are available.) For a few details on Rott, and his relations with Brahms, Bruckner, and Mahler, start here: As someone here on the list pointed out recently, Jazz isn't the only music in which the heros were influenced by the unknowns. JG (Trombone content? Rott's symphony call for three trombones.) ++++++++++++++++ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1923--