TROMBONE-L Digest 1919 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: CL mouthpieces was Anagram tune by Beth Lewis 2) Re: Tendonitis (& broken bones) by "Hal Starkey" 3) NEC and BU teachers by Douglas Yeo 4) Start of 50B3 Production by "Denver D. Seifried" 5) Re: Wanted: Church Solo w/ tape by "Hal Starkey" 6) Re: Wanted: Church Solo w/ tape by Chris Waage 7) Re:tendonitis by "Denver D. Seifried" 8) RE: Gig by "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> 9) Re: Gig by Galen Zinn 10) by Lothar_Stuetzer@de.ibm.com 11) New swing band forming in CT...needs Bones by "Hector Bourg Jr." 12) New members by "sabutin@mindspring.com" 13) Re: Gig by "Chuck De Paolo" 14) Availability for clinics, masterclasses, performance etc. in Indianapolis, Europe and Washington DC areas by "sabutin@mindspring.com" 15) RE: New members by "Dyke, David" 16) new members? by chardy@totcon.com 17) Re: New members by Richard Corliss 18) Re: new members? by Listmonitor Trombone-L 19) RE: Tendonitis (& broken bones) by "Tricky Sam" 20) Re: CL mouthpieces and Yamaha Trudel by hanstrombonist@ananzi.co.za 21) Re: laquering, etc. by Douglas Yeo 22) Re: Wanted: Church Solo w/ tape by James Scott 23) Re: Wanted: Church Solo w/ tape by Douglas Yeo 24) RE: Christoph Escenbach new Maestro at Philadelphia Orchestra by Matt Vaughn 25) Re: Gig. by Howard Weiner 26) Rehearsal Weekend by "Kevan Lomas" 27) Re: Wanted: Church Solo w/ tape by john wasson 28) Re: Wanted: Church Solo w/ tape by Douglas Yeo 29) Re: Christoph Escenbach new Maestro at Philadelphia Orchestra by MasterCoda@aol.com 30) Houston Sym MD by Douglas Yeo 31) RE: new members? by "Gary Greenhoe" 32) Re: Christoph Escenbach new Maestro at Philadelphia Orchestra by Weston Sprott 33) Re: Christoph Escenbach new Maestro at Philadelphia Orchestra by Randy Campora 34) Re: gig bag question by "Gary D. Maxwell" 35) Looking for someone in the Florida area by JennWhaa@aol.com 36) Re: Looking for someone in the Florida area by "Tom Izzo" 37) Re: Valse Triste = Up by "Adrian Drover" 38) Re: Start of 50B3 Production by Candice & Eric Swanson 39) Re: new members? becoming: Articulations by "Aaron Roth" 40) Re: new members? by Craig Parmerlee 41) Re: Christoph Escenbach new Maestro at Philadelphia Orchestra by James Scott 42) Re: Wanted: Church Solo w/ tape by Larry White 43) Sachse sacked? by Tim Dowling 44) Re: Valse Triste = Up by sgreatwood@goconnect.net (Simon Greatwood) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:07:28 -0500 (EST) From: Beth Lewis To: Gabriel Langfur Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: CL mouthpieces was Anagram tune Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ron Barron and Norman Bolter both teach at NEC, as I'm sure Doug Yeo could confirm (he's on their faculty too). Beth Lewis On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Gabriel Langfur wrote: > > > Ron (as well as Scott Hartman) teaches at Boston > University, not NEC. Norman Bolter teaches at NEC, and > I think Scott Hartman still teaches there also. > > Gabe > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:09:22 -0600 From: "Hal Starkey" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Re: Tendonitis (& broken bones) Message-ID: <002501c07b0e$ee9562a0$0c381b41@KSCABLE.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C07ADC.A3BF7040" From: "Tricky Sam" <alskar@alltel.net> Sent: January 10, 2001 12:14 AM > I know I am in the minority but I believe good slide technique is mostly > done with light quick movements of the forearm. The wrist does not or > anyway need not contribute motion; it is normally relaxed and helps cushion > the sudden stop. Therefore I think you could as easily leave the brace on. > > I broke my wrist once, and I didn't have any trouble playing with the cast > on. I took my trombone with me, and had the doctor set the cast while I > held the trombone. > CStrickland ------------------------------------------------------ I have tendonitis in both forearms. I use tennis elbow straps and eat lots of ibuprofin when it really flares up. Lately, it hasn't bothered me much. There are some stretching excercises that help too. See a doctor to find out if this formula is right for you. Also, I once broke my right arm just above the wrist. IÊwasn't doing much playing at the time, but did continue. I played one band concert at that time. Maybe it was a mistake to do this. The bone knitted together a little crooked. The doctor wanted to rebreak it and set it again. I didn't ask howÊhe'd rebreak it, but all kinds of hurtful and sadistic procedures went through my mind! Anyway, I saidÊno, and went on my way.ÊÊBecause it was crooked and not as strong as it should have been I have managed to break it two other times. It can't be set straight now. So, I have to be more careful with it. No more arm wrestling, jumping out of trees,Êetc. HalÊ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:02:31 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: NEC and BU teachers Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 8:07 AM -0500 1/10/01, Beth Lewis wrote: Ron Barron and Norman Bolter both teach at NEC, as I'm sure Doug Yeo could confirm (he's on their faculty too). Yes, the trombone faculty at New England Conservatory is: Norman Bolter Ronald Barron Douglas Yeo (bass trombones only) Website: http://www.newenglandconservatory.edu At Boston University, the faculty is: Scott Hartman Ronald Barron John Faieta Douglas Yeo (but I am taking a leave of absence from BU at this time as I am too busy to teach at two schools at the moment) Website: http://web.bu.edu/SFA/ -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:13:35 -0500 From: "Denver D. Seifried" To: "trombone-l" Subject: Start of 50B3 Production Message-ID: <002b01c07b0f$85c9e1a0$33077fd8@jay> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List Members: I have a student who has a fairly old Bach 50B3, with a serial number of 23xxx. Looking on one of the Bach serial number data bases, the date given for this serial number is somewhere in the 1975-76 range for production. Does anyone know for sure, when Bach actually began production of the 50B3? I don't remember seeing inline-factory produced Bach bass trombones this early. Thanks for your help, on this matter. Denny Seifried Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Symphony & Dayton Jazz Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:32:09 -0600 From: "Hal Starkey" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Re: Wanted: Church Solo w/ tape Message-ID: <002e01c07b12$1d5dfae0$0c381b41@KSCABLE.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C07ADF.D29A5800" From: "Jen and Andy Walls" <jenandandy@pa.net> Sent: January 09, 2001 11:44 PM > My wife and I moved into a new area and just found a church where we would > like to become involved. The pastor asked if I would play a trombone solo. > The trouble is there is no accomplished piano player at the church right > now. It's a need they are currently praying about. They do have a nice > sound system so I could use tape accompaniment. The church I grew up in had > a very fine organist so I have never purchased (or even looked for) any > music with tape accompaniment. Our local music store is very small so I > cannot browse for prospects. The only pieces they have are for the > elementary and junior high students that I teach there. Can any of you > recommend some solos I could order from Hickey's or elsewhere? Here are the > requirements: > > Tenor Trombone > Tape Accompaniment > Collegiate Playing level or higher (not necessary as long as it sounds good > and will lead others in worship) > I would have no trouble transposing a part so it could be for trumpet or > horn with tape (as long as it works well on the Trombone) > > Thanks everyone, > Andy Walls -------------------------------------------------------- Andy- Steve Rue has arranged some church solos for trombone and piano. A cassette tape accompaniment is also available. I have played some of these songs, always with piano though. I don't know how the tape sounds. It might be real instrumental instead of synthesized. The book title is INSTRUMENTAL ARRANGEMENTS, TROMBONE SOLOSÊVol.1. There must be a Vol. 2 but I've not seen it. In this book the titles are "Amazing Grace," "How Great Thou Art," "I'll Fly Away," "We Shall Behold Him," "Joshua Fit De Battle," and "Just A Closer Walk." These are contemporary arrangements. The book with piano part cost me $7.95. It's copyright is 1990. You might have to order it from Rue Publishing House, Box 9143, Wichita, KS 67277. Hal ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:34:12 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: Re: Wanted: Church Solo w/ tape Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Check http://www.churchinstrumentalist.com It's a great web site with good music. Chris From: "Jen and Andy Walls" <jenandandy@pa.net> Sent: January 09, 2001 11:44 PM > My wife and I moved into a new area and just found a church where we would like to become involved. The pastor asked if I would play a trombone solo. The trouble is there is no accomplished piano player at the church right now. It's a need they are currently praying about. They do have a nice sound system so I could use tape accompaniment. The church I grew up in had a very fine organist so I have never purchased (or even looked for) any music with tape accompaniment. Our local music store is very small so I cannot browse for prospects. The only pieces they have are for the elementary and junior high students that I teach there. Can any of you recommend some solos I could order from Hickey's or elsewhere? Here are the requirements: Tenor Trombone Tape Accompaniment Collegiate Playing level or higher (not necessary as long as it sounds good and will lead others in worship) I would have no trouble transposing a part so it could be for trumpet or horn with tape (as long as it works well on the Trombone) Thanks everyone, Andy Walls -------------------------------------------------------- Andy- Steve Rue has arranged some church solos for trombone and piano. A cassette tape accompaniment is also available. I have played some of these songs, always with piano though. I don't know how the tape sounds. It might be real instrumental instead of synthesized. The book title is INSTRUMENTAL ARRANGEMENTS, TROMBONE SOLOS Vol.1. There must be a Vol. 2 but I've not seen it. In this book the titles are "Amazing Grace," "How Great Thou Art," "I'll Fly Away," "We Shall Behold Him," "Joshua Fit De Battle," and "Just A Closer Walk." These are contemporary arrangements. The book with piano part cost me $7.95. It's copyright is 1990. You might have to order it from Rue Publishing House, Box 9143, Wichita, KS 67277. Hal -- _________________________________________ Chris Waage chris@trombone.org Associate Webmaster The Online Trombone Journal http://www.trombone.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:42:40 -0500 From: "Denver D. Seifried" To: "trombone-l" Subject: Re:tendonitis Message-ID: <003f01c07b13$964e8fe0$33077fd8@jay> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List Members: I too, was bothered several years with bouts of tendonitis, mainly in the elbows and wrists. I came to find that mine was being caused by many years of un-treated inflammatory bowel disease (IBD). After having some very serious attacks, later in life, I had no choice but to have the disease treated by a very competent gastroenterologist. After consulting with him and having several scope exams, he placed me on the standard sulfa medications and I have been free of the severe symptoms for years. I notices that my joint problems, also went away. At one of my appointments we discussed symptoms, and my gastroenterologist explained that IBD will often manifest itself with related problems in the joints. He stated that joint problems are common side effects with IBD, Inflammatory Bowel Syndrome, and Crohn's Disease. These diseases are also very commonly inherited from parents, as was the case with my disease, as my mother has had Crohn's Disease. I probably developed IBD in my early 20's; however, I did not get the joint problems until in my 40's. If you are having joint problems, along with re-occurring gastrointestinal problems, and I have a family history of IBD, IBS or Crohn's Disease, you might run all of this by your doctor. Are there any others who have experienced this problem? Denny Seifried Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Symphony & Dayton Jazz Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:41:14 -0600 From: "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Gig Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Erik Berggren asked about the origin of "gig" and Les Benedict responded with entries from Webster, New Grove, and Everyman's Dictionary. These sources relate the term to "gigue", an old dance. Sounds reasonable so far. Does anyone have easy access to any of the various dictionaries of slang or to the latest edition of the Oxford English Dictionary? The OED would likely answer the part of Erik's question about when it was first used. (And, of course, if it's pre-20th century, the first edition of the OED would have it, too.) ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ David Guion, Cataloger John Marshall Law School 315 S. Plymouth Ct. Chicago, IL 60604 Voice: (312) 427-2737 x 552 Fax; (312) 427-8307 Should part-time band directors be called semi-conductors? ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 07:12:51 -0800 From: Galen Zinn To: Trombone List Subject: Re: Gig Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Just thought you would like to know that the Webster's New World Dictionary of Music, copyright 1998, DOES NOT INCLUDE the word "GIG". Perhaps Mr. Nicolas Slonimsky and Mr. Richard Kassel should rethink their inclusions and exclusions? However, the following appears in the New College Edition of The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, copyright 1981: gig 1 - A light, two-wheeled carriage drawn by on horse. A long, light ship's boat having oars, sails, or a motor, and usually reserved for use by the ship's captain. A fast light row boat. [Middle English gigg, giddy girl, something that whirls.] gig 2 - An arrangement of barbless hooks that is dragged through a school of fish to hook them in the bodies. A pronged spear for fishing. Regional. To goad; prod. gig 3 - An official report of an infraction of rules, as in the army or a school. A demerit assigned as a punishment. Slang. To give a demerit to. To punish with a demerit. gig 4 - Slang. A job; especially an engagement or booking for musicians. GO FIGURE. Galen Zinn E-mail: zinger@musician.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:06:47 +0100 From: Lothar_Stuetzer@de.ibm.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit undescribe TROMBONE-L Lothar_Stuetzer Mit freundlichen GrŸssen / Regards Lothar StŸtzer Integrated Technology Services (ITS) - IMS Support, Dept: 7970 * 22297-01 * KW939(*139)-2436 * Fax -2261 †berseering 24 * 22297 Hamburg/Germany ' Ext. 0049-(0)40-6389-2436 Lotus Notes Lothar Stuetzer/Germany/IBM@IBMDE email Mail Lothar_Stuetzer@de.ibm.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:27:22 -0600 From: "Hector Bourg Jr." To: Subject: New swing band forming in CT...needs Bones Message-ID: <006f01c07b22$366f1d10$0a01a8c0@hn9nz49oeloz7b> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Trombone players in Connecticut are invited to check out a new swing band forming in Essex, CT. The group is being organized by Bob Hughes, who is a veteran big band player. His group will be a semi-pro community based organization playing the best of the big band era material as well as more recent music of the same sort. You may wish to contact him if you need such a group for a special event as well as for opportunities to play with the band or substitute with it. Bob knows his stuff and the band will be good. Players are invited to visit Bob's website for more information. I am forwarding this to the list because I know Mr. Hughes and know that his new band will be a musical asset to the Connecticut Coast area. The website is: http://www.bobhughesthebigband.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:24:48 -0500 From: "sabutin@mindspring.com" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: New members Message-ID: <200101101526.KAA27575@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all... It has come to my attention over the past several years that there are an AMAZING number of computer using serious trombonists that don't subscribe to this list. It has been such a valuable resource to me and most of the rest of us that I find this hard to understand. It occurred to me last night that is all of us actively and strongly recommended this list to all the trombonists we know, it could become an even MORE valuable resource for all of us...more minds involved, more aspects and angles to every discussion. Let's all of us see if we can do this. The "trombone community" in most areas is fairly small...we all know all the others who have suffered the same fate in our general neighborhood...and even in large cities, every player HAS to know 100 or more others. The 15 minutes or 1/2 an hour a day I've spent on this list over the past few years have probably helped me develop more as a trombonist than practicing for the same amount of time would have done Really. I'd LOVE to hear from even more people...beginners, pros, teachers, amateurs, everybody. Later... S. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:36:04 -0500 From: "Chuck De Paolo" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Gig Message-ID: <008d01c07b1b$0b24d2f0$0200a8c0@ws2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug et al, Funny, the final explanation you have cited is where I always presumed the word "Gig" came from. I could imagine some Middle Ages musician saying to his pals, "I gotta play a Gigue for the King tonite." It was afterall a highly popular musical form (along with Jig etc). Why not? I'm sure there were legions of musicians who derived a large portion of their income playing Jigs/Gigues for various important and sundry occasions. It makes sense to me that the word, having been handed down over the generations in an almost exclusively verbal form (and not written, as proven by the first half of your citation) would survive today with a hard "G" sound and thus be spelled "Gig." Also, to get my 2 cents in - I think non-musicians using the term to describe some non-musical thing ought to be arrested and prosecuted for First Degree Language Abuse. Sorry, giving a presentation to a bunch of investors or whatever is NOT a gig. Find another word people! FWIW... In Music, ---Chuck General Manager & Webmaster Hickey's Music Center 104 Adams Street Ithaca, NY 14850 607.272.8262 (Phone) 607.272.2203 (Fax) chuck@hickeys.com (E-Mail) http://www.hickeys.com (Website) http://www.weather.com/weather/us/zips/14850.html (Weather) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Yeo" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 9:39 PM Subject: Re: Gig > The Website, "World Wide Words - Exploring the English Language" at > > http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-gig1.htm > > gives the following: > > GIG > > From Dick Bellach: "The slang word gig is used by professional > performers, usually musicians, but not limited to them, to mean a > paying engagement they have agreed to do: "I'm playing a gig at the > Metropole next Monday". The term is so ubiquitous, I've heard it has > spread to England and the Continent. But, to my knowledge, no one > knows its origin. Can you be of assistance?" > > The term is usually taken to be of American origin, but the > interesting thing is that the first two citations in the Oxford > English Dictionary are from a London publication, Melody Maker, in > 1926 and 1927. So the word in this sense has long been known in > Britain. > > Gig is yet another of those words for which researchers can give no > firm origin, and what follows is largely supposition, following the > leads given by Dr Jonathan Lighter in the Random House Historical > Dictionary of American Slang. > > The oldest sense of gig was of something that whirled or turned (as > in whirligig); much later it was applied to a fast two-wheeled > carriage, presumably because its big wheels went around quickly, and > later to a fast ship's boat. There are many other senses. > > From the 1840s in the US, Mr Lighter shows it also applied to a form > of betting, involving a set of three or five numbers selected by the > bettor. From his examples, it seems the winning numbers were drawn > from a rotating device, called a wheel, presumably like a lottery or > tombola drum, which must be the link to the name. By the beginning of > the twentieth century, Mr Lighter suggests the word had begun to be > applied more generally to a business, state of affairs, or an > undertaking or event. This may have been influenced by a similar > sense of gag that had come into being by the 1890s. > > However, the great majority of Mr Lighter's examples in this sense > date from 1957 or later, with only one from 1907 to suggest that it > pre-dated the application of gig to an engagement to perform live > music. > > This is why dictionaries are cautious about accepting this sequence > of development of the word, even though it seems to be plausible. > > These days, gig can have a wide range of senses, including a fairly > new one that refers to any short-term paying commission or job; it > need not be associated with music or performance, but it does > preclude permanent full-time employment. > > ============ > > The Oxford Dictionary gives the definition for "gig" (among 14 definitions) as: > > gig > > gig gig, sb.6 colloq. Origin unknown. An engagement for a musician or > musicians playing jazz, dance-music, etc.; spec. a `one-night stand'; > also, the place of such a performance. Also transf. and attrib. Hence > > gigster > > 'gigster, one who does `gigs'. > > It also has the following quotations for context. > > 1926 Melody Maker Sept. 7 One popular `gig' band makes use of a > nicely printed booklet. > > 1927 Melody Maker May 457/3 This seven-piece combination does many > `gigs' in S.E. London, but is hoping to secure a resident engagement > at Leamington in the near future. > > 1934 S. R. Nelson All about Jazz vi. 113 Jack runs numerous bands > which play `gig' work-i.e. private engagements or public work. In his > office, he has a file in which some hundreds of `gig' musicians are > listed. > > 1939 Melody Maker 9 Sept., When King George died there was terrible > confusion, especially among gigsters, as to whether they should > fulfil their gigs or not. > > 1964 L. Hairston in J. H. Clarke Harlem 287 Pa-knockin' hisself out > on a mail-handler gig at the Post Office where the pay is so lousy > he's gotta work a part-time gig. > > 1965 G. Melly Owning-Up vii. 80 Another Proustian gig was the Civic > Hall, Nantwich. We played there fairly regularly right through the > 'fifties. > > 1969 Observer 12 Jan. 31/5 Leading groups will be given two hours in > which to play what they want, without the limitations imposed by > commercial gigs. > > ======== > > According to the website, "Take Our Word For It" at > http://www.takeourword.com/et_e-g.html#gig you find the following: > > Finally, gig `a musical performance' likely comes from French gigue > `a ball or dance,' from Middle French giguer `to dance.' Jig (the > verb) likely comes from the same source (with influence from earlier > jig `move up and down'). > > ========= > ********************************************** > * Douglas Yeo * > * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * > * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * > * yeo@yeodoug.com * > * http://www.yeodoug.com * > * <>< * > ********************************************** > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:54:32 -0500 From: "sabutin@mindspring.com" To: jjlist@egroups.com Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Availability for clinics, masterclasses, performance etc. in Indianapolis, Europe and Washington DC areas Message-ID: <200101101556.KAA27151@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all... As I have been doing the last year or so, I'm posting some of my travel plans in the hopes that I can hook up some clinics or do some private teaching around the times I'm out of NY. I will be in Indianapolis from the night of Friday, 2/9 through the morning of Sunday, 2/11 doing some judging of student bands at the Jazz festival. I could arrive earlier and/or stay later if necessary. Saturday, 2/24 I will be in Paris for what is so far a one nighter (!!!) w/the Tito Puente band. It might be complicated and/or expensive changing international flight plans, but if someone has was something worth doing it for, I'd be glad to try. (So far we're arriving on Friday, 2/23 and departing on Sunday 2/25, so there might be time to do something in Paris even w/out changing flihght schedules, and there's a possibility of another job that hasn't been finally booked yet as well.) The Smithsonian Jazz Masterworks Orchestra is going to be in Washington DC Wednesday March 7 through Saturday, March 11, and there's usually LOTS of free time during one of those gigs w/that band...two days of rehearsal, two or three concerts...and since I drive down to DC from NY anyway, my schedule is very loose and easily altered in the days preceding or following it. (Also as usual, I can get some passes to the concerts...I believe we're at the Kennedy Center this time, but I don't have the final schedule yet.) Get in touch...always glad to meet listers in person, even if only for a cup of coffee or a handshake after a performance. Later... S. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:07:51 -0500 From: "Dyke, David" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: New members Message-ID: <1D1A4EF7AD4DD211A80D00A0C9D7DB6605C538B2@exna1.stratus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well said ! I certainly agree with you whole heartily Sabutin. Great people..a vast amount of knowledge here that folks are willing to share. This list is a great asset to *All* trombonists, no matter the level of expertise one may have. Dave " Always working at it " -----Original Message----- From: sabutin@mindspring.com [mailto:sabutin@mindspring.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 10:25 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: New members Hi all... It has come to my attention over the past several years that there are an AMAZING number of computer using serious trombonists that don't subscribe to this list. It has been such a valuable resource to me and most of the rest of us that I find this hard to understand. It occurred to me last night that is all of us actively and strongly recommended this list to all the trombonists we know, it could become an even MORE valuable resource for all of us...more minds involved, more aspects and angles to every discussion. Let's all of us see if we can do this. The "trombone community" in most areas is fairly small...we all know all the others who have suffered the same fate in our general neighborhood...and even in large cities, every player HAS to know 100 or more others. The 15 minutes or 1/2 an hour a day I've spent on this list over the past few years have probably helped me develop more as a trombonist than practicing for the same amount of time would have done Really. I'd LOVE to hear from even more people...beginners, pros, teachers, amateurs, everybody. Later... S. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:49:15 -0500 From: chardy@totcon.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: new members? Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20010110154915.0070256c@totcon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" As well as looking for new members, we should look into why we have lost so many contributing old members. Charlie ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:57:55 -0600 From: Richard Corliss To: sabutin@mindspring.com, Trombone-l mailing Subject: Re: New members Message-ID: <3A5C9493.9D69303F@astound.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "sabutin@mindspring.com" wrote: > Hi all... > > It has come to my attention over the past several years that there are an > AMAZING number of computer using serious trombonists that don't subscribe > to this list. It has been such a valuable resource to me and most of the > rest of us that I find this hard to understand. > > It occurred to me last night that is all of us actively and strongly > recommended this list to all the trombonists we know, it could become an > even MORE valuable resource for all of us...more minds involved, more > aspects and angles to every discussion. I suggest mention should be made of the digest version because some do not subscribe because of the large number of posts that this entails. Two conflicting principles function here: More members lead to more mail which leads to less members. Richard Corliss ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:09:06 -0600 From: Listmonitor Trombone-L To: Trombone-L Subject: Re: new members? Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" As well as looking for new members, we should look into why we have lost so many contributing old members. Charlie Most, if not all of the "old guard" who have left did so for one of three reasons: First: The list troll. At one point, it became hazardous to post because the poster would immediately receive abusive messages from the troll. Several pseudonyms of the troll have been removed, and it was also discovered how the troll was reading messages without a subscription. This avenue has also been closed at this point. Second: Topics. Equipment and off-topic posts seem to take on life, while posts of musical validity seem to fall by the wayside. Third: Time. Keeping up with an active discussion group is a time-intensive activity, and there are but 168 hours in a week. The demands of a professional performing career, practice, and teaching while trying to maintain a family and private life usually require that some sacrifices be made. LM -- --------------------------------------- trombone-l digest archives and useful trombone-l information are available at http://www.cjnetworks.com/~tsks ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:13:15 -0500 From: "Tricky Sam" To: Subject: RE: Tendonitis (& broken bones) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C07AFE.B6CC5460" -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Hal Starkey Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 9:09 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Tendonitis (& broken bones) >>From: "Tricky Sam" <alskar@alltel.net> >>Sent: January 10, 2001 12:14 AM >Ê>I broke my wrist once, and I didn't have any trouble playing with the cast >Ê>on. I took my trombone with me, and had the doctor set the cast while I >Ê>held the trombone. >Ê>CStrickland >Also, I once broke my right arm just above the wrist. IÊwasn't doing much playing at the time, but did continue.ÊÊIÊplayedÊone >band concert at that time. Maybe it was a mistake to do this. The bone knitted together a little crooked. The doctor >wanted to rebreak it and set it again. I didn't ask howÊhe'd rebreak it, but all kinds of hurtful and sadistic procedures went >through my mind! Anyway, I saidÊno, and went on my way.ÊÊBecause it was crooked and not as strong as it should have >been I have managed to break it two other times. It can't be set straight now. So, I have to be more careful with it. No >more arm wrestling, jumping out of trees,Êetc. > >HalÊ I donÕt know if that means that I was lucky in not suffering any further damage. I was biking a lot at the time, and I the doctor told me the I shouldnÕt have any trouble with the handlegrips or with any other activity that I wanted to pursue, provided I let the cast dry first. Cstrickland ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:17:21 +0200 From: hanstrombonist@ananzi.co.za To: "Trombone-L" Subject: Re: CL mouthpieces and Yamaha Trudel Message-ID: <018701c07b2a$46cc2240$1f4eef9b@co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I haven't even as much as seen a Trudel mouthpiece, but after years of trying every conceiveable Bach and Wick and Giardinelli and Shilke and whatever else I could get my hands on, I took the Yamaha 48 mouthpiece (that I got with my trombone) by accident one day while I was in a rush, and had to play the whole gig on it. I've never even touched this mouthpiece before, because I foolishly believed everyone who ranted on about how bad Yamaha's mouthpieces are. What a pleasant surprise! After 3 hours of some hard blowing, I knew that this was the mouthpiece for me, except that the 48 is a bit too small for me (about like a Bach 6 1/2AL, but slightly shallower cup). So I sold the Wick I was playing on that very same day and ordered a Yamaha 51D (about a 5G). Never looked back! The 51D is actually smaller than the Wick I had (4AL) and not as deep, and consequently my high range and flexibility, and most of all my endurance improved in leaps and bounds. But strangely enough, my low range is very much the same, but nowadays it's actually improving when I practise down there, while I seemed to be "stuck" with the Wick. I'm not saying the Wick or the CL is not a good mouthpiece, not at all. It's just not good for me. Different strokes for different folks.... Hans P.S. Since playing on the Yamaha mouthpiece, I've come to believe that Yamaha design their mouthpieces to match their trombones in some way (metals used maybe?) Immediately when I started playing the new mouthpiec, my trombone suddently felt very alive, which it never really did. From: "David Burch" > I also tried the Lindberg 5CL for a couple of weeks with my Edwards, in lieu of > my Bach 5G. It made certain things easier, like the upper range and > flexibilities, but I just sounded horrible. After two weeks, it hadn't gotten > better, so I returned it to the lender. > > I'm now on my third week with a Yamaha Alain Trudel Replica. Ah, this one's a > keeper! Compared to the 5G, I find great improvement in flexibility and in > clarity of attacks. My upper range is better with no loss in the low range. My > overall sound is a bit brighter and more resonant...I'm still deciding whether > that's a good thing overall, but it certainly makes the horn more usable for > jazz band! > > Dave Burch > Hamilton, Ohio > > hanstrombonist@ananzi.co.za wrote: > > > I did, actually, just after I sent mine off... If I read the whole thread > > first, I might have phrased things slightly different. > > > > That's irrelivant, really. I played the CL for two weeks - long enough? If > > it worked for ME it should have begun to feel at least a little OK by the > > end of the second week, but it didn't. So the bottom line is, those > > dimentions are just too awkward for me, and doesn't go well with my chops. > > And I don't like my sound on it. > > > > Your mileage may vary... > > > > Hans > > > > > Hans, go back and read Chris's post. He thinks you need to give the CL > > more > > > time, and I agree. > > > > > > Like you, I found the CL mouthpieces overwhelming and turned to a Bach 5G. > > > In time, I could get a good sound out of the CL - in fact my upper and > > lower > > > range is slightly better than with the 5G - go figure. The cup size is > > > smaller but the bore size is huge - maybe they are on to something? > > > > > > I still use my 5G a lot but the Lindberg is looking better all the time. > > > > > > FYI: This thread is about Lindberg mouthpieces but they make several. My > > > horn came with a 4CL. > > > > > > -Steve > > > > > > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:32:25 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: laquering, etc. Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 10:23 PM 1/8/2001 -0600, Steve Cagle wrote: I was wondering if anyone has information on what you would pay for relaquering and everything else that goes with it. I had a straight tenore done about 3 years ago and it cost around$300 and they did a fine job. I jst sent off an old 3BF just bought and the store owner told me it would be around $500. Well, I talked to m tonight at community band and he told me that he had just gotten an 88H back and the price form the people doing the job was $1600 for their part! This is quite out of line. I have two lamps made of brass instruments - my old Boy Scout bugle and an old H.N. White trombone. Last year, as a birthday present for my wife (who for years had faithfully polished them as the lacquer had long worn off) I had them re-lacquered at Osmun Music (http://www.osmun.com). The trombone cost about $400 which includes overhaul in lacquer, body work, buffing, and lacquering. Larger instruments would cost more, but there's no doubt that $1600 for a straight tenor trombone to be re-lacquered is way out of line. Contact Osmun Music, they'll do a great job for you. I get all my work done there and have always been satisfied with the craftsmanship of the guys in the back room whether on my trombones, bass trumpet or ophicleide. Or my lamps. -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:32:47 -0700 (MST) From: James Scott To: Jen and Andy Walls Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Wanted: Church Solo w/ tape Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Andy- Check with the Salvation Army (There are music departments in NY and Atlanta) - there are some hymn arrangements that come with a CD with piano accompaniments recorded. I'm sure you will find some good material there. Jim Scott On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Jen and Andy Walls wrote: > > Dear Fellow Listers, > My wife and I moved into a new area and just found a church where we would > like to become involved. The pastor asked if I would play a trombone solo. > The trouble is there is no accomplished piano player at the church right > now. It's a need they are currently praying about. They do have a nice > sound system so I could use tape accompaniment. The church I grew up in had > a very fine organist so I have never purchased (or even looked for) any > music with tape accompaniment. Our local music store is very small so I > cannot browse for prospects. The only pieces they have are for the > elementary and junior high students that I teach there. Can any of you > recommend some solos I could order from Hickey's or elsewhere? Here are the > requirements: > > Tenor Trombone > Tape Accompaniment > Collegiate Playing level or higher (not necessary as long as it sounds good > and will lead others in worship) > I would have no trouble transposing a part so it could be for trumpet or > horn with tape (as long as it works well on the Trombone) > > Thanks everyone, > Andy Walls > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:41:58 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Wanted: Church Solo w/ tape Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Andy, and others, Go to your local Christian bookstore and see what they have, you may find something with an accompaniment track which is for a vocalist, but would work well for you. My experience with such trax trapes (not my spelling!), though, is that they are usually very highly produced, and the arrangement often obscures the message. Personally I never use them since I prefer to use the live player, no matter their ability, but that doesn't seem to be an option for you. In a Christian bookstore near me, they have demo copies of the trax you can listen to before buying. There are some trombone specific books which have trax. If you go to http://www.yeodoug.com/solos.html, you'll find a book called "Singspiration Symphony Instrumental Solos" which has trax, but I think that may be out of print (it has certainly gone to a different publisher as Zondervan and Singspiration were sold to Brentwood/Benson some years ago). The Instrumental Solotrax books further down the list are in print, I just got those listings from the publisher a few months ago, but I haven't tried them (pub by Lillenas). You may want to do some adapting of the solo part which often tends to be more complicated than it should. On my CD "Cornerstone," I recorded an arr. of "I'd Rather Have Jesus" which is a "cut and paste job" from one of the Singspiration Symphony Instrumental Solos" I mentioned above, with the published piano accompaniment. I didn't like that the arrangement ended up with a huge Hollywood ending, so I modified it to preserve the simple message of the tune. You can do that with a live pianist, but with a trax, you're stuck with what's there unless you do some fancy editing! -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:54:14 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Vaughn To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Christoph Escenbach new Maestro at Philadelphia Orchestra Message-ID: <20010110175414.89746.qmail@web11601.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sawallisch told the orchestra some time ago that he wants to retire, and thus the orchestra has been searching for a new music director (like most everyone else...) for quite a while. Eschenbach will not begin here until 2003, and Sawallisch will undoubtedly be a regular here until he decides to pack the baton away. He is, by the way, very much liked by the musicians here. Matt Vaughn, Philadelphia Orchestra --- Brian Shaw wrote: > What happened to Sawallisch? The article doesn't > say that he was retiring > or going somewhere else... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:58:56 From: Howard Weiner To: zinger@musician.org, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Gig. Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20010110195856.109f0eaa@mail.privat.toplink.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 07:12 10.01.2001 -0800, Galen Zinn wrote: >Just thought you would like to know that the Webster's New World Dictionary >of Music, copyright 1998, DOES NOT INCLUDE the word "GIG". Perhaps Mr. >Nicolas Slonimsky and Mr. Richard Kassel should rethink their inclusions and >exclusions? Nicolas Slonimsky might have a bit of a hard time rethinking anything right now, seeing as he died a couple years ago at the age of 101. Slonimsky was, BTW, one of the most fascinating musical personalities of the 20th century. He was a pianist, composer, conductor, and author, in addition to being a lexicographer. But for all that, he still had a remarkable sense of humor. Take a look at his biography (which he wrote himself) in "Baker's Biographical Dictionary of Musicians" (which he edited, publishing the latest edition at the age of 98 or so!) And, of course, nobody should be without his "Lexicon of Musical Invective." Howard (sorry, no trombone content!) -- Howard Weiner weiner@privat.toplink.de http://www.odilia.ch/howard-weiner "Writing about music is like dancing about architecture" - attributed to Frank Zappa "Beschriebene Musik ist wie ein erzŠhltes Mittagessen" - Franz Grillparzer zugeschrieben ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 20:04:56 -0000 From: "Kevan Lomas" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Rehearsal Weekend Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Although not strictly Trombone related I think this may be of interest to some listers on this side of "the pond" The North Cheshire Concert Band will be holding their 4th rehearsal and training weekend at the Conwy Centre, Anglesey, Wales from the 16th - 18th February 2000. Participation is open to any wind, brass and percussion players (subject to sensible numbers) of reasonable standard (AB Grade 6), and of any age and last years event saw a band of over 40 players. Several tutors will be present on the Saturday, and subject to funding being secured it is hoped to invite a major figure to guest conduct on the Saturday. The tutors will all be young professionals form the Manchester area who perform with some of the country's leading orchestras and ensembles. Many of them will be RNCM graduates and therefore well versed in wind band music. Repertoire for the weekend will be varied and diverse. Works to be played in the full band will include: Guy Woolfenden ÔGalimaufryÕ Adam Gorb ÔBridgewater BreezeÕ JS Bach ÔFugue in G minorÕ Charles Ives ÔVariations on AmericaÕ There will be opportunities to rehearse big band charts and wind ensemble repertoire on Saturday evening. Subject to numbers it may also be possible to offer some conducting time to any directors present. The cost for residents will be around £60 this includes 2 nights accommodation and all meals from Friday evening to Sunday lunchtime, and all musical activities except private lessons which may be arranged with individual tutors. Non-residents are welcome at the cost of £10. The Conwy Centre is an excellent facility in an idyllic setting. Accommodation is in single, double or family rooms. Non-playing friends or family are welcome to come along. Subject to interest, it is possible to book activities for children with fully-qualified Conwy Centre staff. Friday 8.00pm Full rehearsal 10.00pm Supper Saturday 8.30am Breakfast 9.30am Sectionals/Chamber Music/masterclasses with tutors 12.30pm Lunch 2.00pm Full rehearsal + opportunities to have pre-booked private lessons 5.30pm Dinner 7.00pm Big Band rehearsal & Wind Chamber Music 9.00pm-ish PARTY! Sunday 9.00am Breakfast 10.00am Full rehearsal 12.30pm Lunch 1.30pm ÔInformal play throughÕ Ð finish around 2.30pm If you are interested contact me off list at kevan.lomas@virgin.net Check out the band web site http://www.northcheshire.org.uk for more details. Regards Kevan Lomas Bass trombone Warrington England kevan.lomas@virgin.net Nil significat nisi oscillat ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:55:40 -0600 From: john wasson To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Wanted: Church Solo w/ tape Message-ID: <3A5CCC4A.A531C292@johnwasson.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andy Walls wrote: > My wife and I moved into a new area and just found a > church where we would like to become involved. The > pastor asked if I would play a trombone solo. The > trouble is there is no accomplished piano player at the > church right now. It's a need they are currently > praying about. They do have a nice sound system so I > could use tape accompaniment. The church I grew up in > had a very fine organist so I have never purchased (or > even looked for) any music with tape accompaniment. Our > local music store is very small so I cannot browse for > prospects. The only pieces they have are for the > elementary and junior high students that I teach there. > Can any of you recommend some solos I could order from > Hickey's or elsewhere? Andy, I would recommend that you not limit yourself to trombone music for this one. Go to a good Christian Book and Music Store that sells vocal track accompaniments, and just pick out a song that sounds good by a tenor voice (there are tons, such as Steven Curtis Chapman, Michael W Smith, Bob Carlisle, Chris Rice, etc.) Then make sure that the melody is one that holds up without any words. Although we use a live band at my church, I do this all the time. For example, Michael W Smith writes very "instrumentally" (e.g., rhythmic, bigger leaps, etc.) and so many of his vocal tunes sound good instrumentally. He wrote a song called "Cross My Heart" (On the "Go West Young Man" CD) that sounds great on trombone. In addition, as George Roberts was fond of teaching, playing a vocal song on your trombone can help lead you to more lyrical, "cvocal-like" qualities in your playing, and knowing the text to the song can help you in your expressiveness. If you need a list of songs, let me know--I could put one together for you. john -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= . johnwasson.com . . ...music solutions . . . . http://www.johnwasson.com . =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:34:15 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Wanted: Church Solo w/ tape Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 2:55 PM -0600 1/10/01, john wasson wrote: In addition, as George Roberts was fond of teaching, playing a vocal song on your trombone can help lead you to more lyrical, "vocal-like" qualities in your playing, and knowing the text to the song can help you in your expressiveness. George played on an old Ralph Carmichael Choir and Orchestra LP called "Hymns at Sunset" on which he plays solo (full verse and usually chorus/tag) on three cuts:"The Lord is my Shepherd," "Take My Hand, Precious Lord," and "It took a Miracle." He sounds beautiful, such supple playing and great phrasing as you rarely have heard. Lloyd Ulyate also has 4 solos, and Mannie Klein (trumpet) has several as well. Carmichael knew who to get. George told me many years ago that his mother used to sing "Precious Lord" to him and he had a vivid memory of her voice in mind when he played that solo. Too bad this fine LP is out of print (see http://www.yeodoug.com/btrbrec.html for more info on the album)... -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:38:30 EST From: MasterCoda@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Christoph Escenbach new Maestro at Philadelphia Orchestra Message-ID: <9e.e92d8d5.278e3e66@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone have any idea who will be replacing Escenbach as conductor of the Houston Symphony? Peter ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:24:27 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: MasterCoda@aol.com, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Houston Sym MD Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 5:38 PM -0500 1/10/01, MasterCoda@aol.com wrote: Does anyone have any idea who will be replacing Escenbach as conductor of the Houston Symphony? Hans Graf has been appointed music director in Houston. He will begin there in 2002-03; he is currently MD of the Calgary Philharmonic and the Orchestre National de Brodeaux. -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:23:03 -0600 From: "Gary Greenhoe" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: new members? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Soooo, what does that make all of us??? Chopped liver??? At least I qualify for the "old" part! ;-) Regards, Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Listmonitor Trombone-L Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 11:09 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: new members? >As well as looking for new members, we should look into why we have lost so >many contributing old members. > >Charlie Most, if not all of the "old guard" who have left did so for one of three reasons: First: The list troll. At one point, it became hazardous to post because the poster would immediately receive abusive messages from the troll. Several pseudonyms of the troll have been removed, and it was also discovered how the troll was reading messages without a subscription. This avenue has also been closed at this point. Second: Topics. Equipment and off-topic posts seem to take on life, while posts of musical validity seem to fall by the wayside. Third: Time. Keeping up with an active discussion group is a time-intensive activity, and there are but 168 hours in a week. The demands of a professional performing career, practice, and teaching while trying to maintain a family and private life usually require that some sacrifices be made. LM -- --------------------------------------- trombone-l digest archives and useful trombone-l information are available at http://www.cjnetworks.com/~tsks ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:24:20 -0500 From: Weston Sprott To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Christoph Escenbach new Maestro at Philadelphia Orchestra Message-ID: <200101102324.SAA20078@indiana.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hans Graf is the new conductor in Houston. > Does anyone have any idea who will be replacing Escenbach as conductor of the > Houston Symphony? > Peter > > Weston Sprott Indiana University 812-857-8589 wsprott@indiana.edu ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:36:58 -0500 From: Randy Campora To: MasterCoda@aol.com, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Christoph Escenbach new Maestro at Philadelphia Orchestra Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010110183605.00999650@mail.telephonet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hans Graf, an Austrian conductor, was announced a few months ago. RC At 05:38 PM 1/10/01 , MasterCoda@aol.com wrote: Does anyone have any idea who will be replacing Escenbach as conductor of the Houston Symphony? Peter ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:10:18 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: gig bag question Message-ID: <001201c07b62$e27984c0$71525d3f@garymaxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I put mine in with valve(s) against the zipper. Gary Maxwell Bass Trombone Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra ======================================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Heltzer" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 8:17 PM Subject: Re: gig bag question > Regarding the G series gig bags by reunion blues, which this thread is developed > from... > > Hey bass trombonists with G bags... > > do you put your horn in with the valves on the bottom, or against the zipper? I > just got a G bag and Im not sure which option is better. > > Jay Heltzer > > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:20:30 EST From: JennWhaa@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Looking for someone in the Florida area Message-ID: <2d.5e68713.278e564e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there, Floridians! Greetings from the other coast. I went to school briefly with a trombonist named Ray Duncan and I am looking for either his e-mail address or snail mail address or some other means of communication. I believe he was going into the Masters program at Jacksonville. If you know the guy, please pass along his info or let him know that someone is looking for him. Thank you, Jennifer Wharton Jennifer Wharton Aspiring musician and professional basket weaver. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:31:08 -0600 From: "Tom Izzo" To: Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Looking for someone in the Florida area Message-ID: <008601c07b6e$2cefb5a0$4fb54a3f@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good luck Jen! But if you don't hear back from anyone soon, be warned, Floridians are still counting ballots. :-) Tom > > Hi there, Floridians! Greetings from the other coast. > > Thank you, > Jennifer Wharton > > Jennifer Wharton > Aspiring musician and professional basket weaver. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 00:58:00 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Valse Triste = Up Message-ID: <006d01c07b69$ebd71da0$6e98fc3e@q9y6f8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Izzo" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 7:29 PM Subject: Re: Valse Triste = Up > > Do any of you know of a musical sequence that modulates DOWN a half > > step? > > I can tell you a piece that modulates down a whole step. > > Wagner's Der Ring des Niebelungen. Starts on Eb, ends (17 hrs later) in Db. I guess he figured the brass players' chops would be getting a little numb after 17 hours. Maybe that's why he dropped the key. > A LOT of Pop music also modulates up a 1/2 step. > That's Life, NY NY (both done by Sinatra). It's the most used modulation in vocal music (due to limited range), I, bVI7, bII, one of the few modulations that does not use a IIm7 of the new key. It doesn't fit against the tonic of the old key. If you played 11 choruses of "Mack the Knife", you would end up in a key that was 1/2 a tone lower than at the start, but the singer would have been rushed to throat hospital long before that. As a matter of interest, has anyone ever played a version of "M the K" that stays in the same key thru'out? A. Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk www.adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:48:37 -0500 From: Candice & Eric Swanson Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Start of 50B3 Production Message-ID: <3A5D1F06.EE52302E@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Denver D. Seifried" wrote: > List Members: > I have a student who has a fairly old Bach 50B3, with a serial number of > 23xxx. Looking on one of the Bach serial number data bases, the date given > for this serial number is somewhere in the 1975-76 range for production. > Does anyone know for sure, when Bach actually began production of the 50B3? Denver, I am reasonably certain that it was in 1978. Eric Swanson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:52:50 -0500 From: "Aaron Roth" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: new members? becoming: Articulations Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed LM said, in part: Most, if not all of the "old guard" who have left did so for one of three reasons: Second: Topics. Equipment and off-topic posts seem to take on life, while posts of musical validity seem to fall by the wayside. A strikingly accurate observation, and too bad as a fact. In fact, I just came up with a fairly musically valid question, IMLHO: In some more modern solo pieces, I have noticed the appearance of an articulation that looks like nothing so much as an upbow, or perhaps an upside-down rooftop. Is this just another print version of a rooftop, or is it its own distinct articulation, standing with the sideways accent, the rooftop, and the black mark accent? Any ideas are welcome. -Aaron Roth _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:59:03 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: new members? Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010110225029.01ed0580@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'm not sure that the departure rate is anything unusual. In cyberspace peoples' interests and usage patterns change all the time. I believe there is a 4th reason that hasn't been mentioned: alternatives. There are at least 4 forums targeting trombone players: trombone-L, alt.music.trombone, JJ list, and OTJ. These groups each have their own personality. Different people may be attracted to the different forums. The JJ list doesn't seem too active these days. The trombone-L is plenty active. It seems to me as a bit more scholarly than the others, and has a far greater concentration on orchestral playing. It is also harder to get connected to trombone-L than the others, which might account for its level of participation. alt.music.trombone is a more free-flowing affair. It is easily accessible from deja and remark, so lots of beginners and casual participants drop by. It serves a very good purpose, I believe. I don't think channeling that sort of dialogue through trombone-l would be an improvement. I'm not very familiar with the personality of the OTJ forum, but it does seem to be rather active. Perhaps others can comment on its personality traits. Cheers, Craig At 11:09 AM 1/10/2001 -0600, Listmonitor Trombone-L wrote: As well as looking for new members, we should look into why we have lost so many contributing old members. Charlie Most, if not all of the "old guard" who have left did so for one of three reasons: First: The list troll. At one point, it became hazardous to post because the poster would immediately receive abusive messages from the troll. Several pseudonyms of the troll have been removed, and it was also discovered how the troll was reading messages without a subscription. This avenue has also been closed at this point. Second: Topics. Equipment and off-topic posts seem to take on life, while posts of musical validity seem to fall by the wayside. Third: Time. Keeping up with an active discussion group is a time-intensive activity, and there are but 168 hours in a week. The demands of a professional performing career, practice, and teaching while trying to maintain a family and private life usually require that some sacrifices be made. LM -- --------------------------------------- trombone-l digest archives and useful trombone-l information are available at http://www.cjnetworks.com/~tsks ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:33:52 -0700 (MST) From: James Scott To: Randy Campora Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Christoph Escenbach new Maestro at Philadelphia Orchestra Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just have to jump in here - Hans Graf is our Music Director here in Calgary (He will be leaving in 2002, so there will be 1 year that he is both here and in Houston). The musicians in Houston are in for a great time - Hans is one of the best musicians I've ever seen on a podium, and is also a great human being. After about 7 years, it's hard to find anyone here that has anything negative to say about him, except maybe that we wish he was here for more weeks, and that he wasn't leaving us. That kind of sentiment is rare in orchestral music making, and if he's half as popular in Houston as he's been here, that will be one enthusiastic orchestra. Jim Scott On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Randy Campora wrote: > > Hans Graf, an Austrian conductor, was announced a few months ago. > > RC > > At 05:38 PM 1/10/01 , MasterCoda@aol.com wrote: > >Does anyone have any idea who will be replacing Escenbach as conductor of the > >Houston Symphony? > >Peter > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:28:40 -0800 From: Larry White To: jenandandy@pa.net, "Trombones and related issues forum." , Subject: Re: Wanted: Church Solo w/ tape Message-ID: <3A5D4488.39B96CF9@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I understand that this might not have gone through as my original message started with the word Send. The list server would not allow this as it confused it (apparently). L White Larry White wrote: > Try and Send a request to Tom Scheibner at > Thomas_Scheibner@use.SalvationArmy.org and > enquire if The Salvation Army has any accompianment discs. I seem to remember > some CD or other type of medium that was advertised for purposes just like > youare asking about. > If Tom doesn't have one, he might be able to direct you to one of the other > Centres that might, like Chicago. > Regards > Larry White > Vancouver, BC > Canada > > Jen and Andy Walls wrote: > > > Dear Fellow Listers, > > My wife and I moved into a new area and just found a church where we would > > like to become involved. The pastor asked if I would play a trombone solo. > > The trouble is there is no accomplished piano player at the church right > > now. It's a need they are currently praying about. They do have a nice > > sound system so I could use tape accompaniment. The church I grew up in had > > a very fine organist so I have never purchased (or even looked for) any > > music with tape accompaniment. Our local music store is very small so I > > cannot browse for prospects. The only pieces they have are for the > > elementary and junior high students that I teach there. Can any of you > > recommend some solos I could order from Hickey's or elsewhere? Here are the > > requirements: > > > > Tenor Trombone > > Tape Accompaniment > > Collegiate Playing level or higher (not necessary as long as it sounds good > > and will lead others in worship) > > I would have no trouble transposing a part so it could be for trumpet or > > horn with tape (as long as it works well on the Trombone) > > > > Thanks everyone, > > Andy Walls ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:08:17 +0100 From: Tim Dowling To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Sachse sacked? Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010111090817.007a5930@pop.casema.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit As a postscript on the Sachse thread of last week, I notice in the latest "Das Orchester" that the august S€CHSiche Staatskapelle Dresden is advertising for a bass trombone. The set pieces are Bozza "Allegro et Finale" and Hidas "Meditation". Perhaps rumours of Sachse's demise are premature, but when such a famous and traditional German orchestra has dropped it, maybe many are breathing silent sighs of relief! Tim Dowling Residentie Orchestra The Hague ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:14:07 +1100 From: sgreatwood@goconnect.net (Simon Greatwood) To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Valse Triste = Up Message-ID: <3a5e9515.3984067@202.92.76.50> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Do any of you know of a musical sequence that modulates DOWN a half >step? how aobut one that modulates up and down semitones, quater tones and tones repeatedly for about 3 minutes? I did a school production of "Anything Goes" where the singer did that in "I'll take Manhatten" yoiks it was hard for the band - do we modulate? do we keep going? hope this helps someone... Simon ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1919--