TROMBONE-L Digest 1917 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) the Diaphragm by David Bobroff 2) Movie recommendations by Dave Molter 3) Sad news... by Douglas Yeo 4) RE: Euphonium Rental in Phoenix, AZ by "Richardson, Tim" 5) movie rec. by Jay Heltzer 6) Re: Movie recommendations by "Jeff Albert" 7) movie recommendations by "Christopher Smith" 8) Re: Bore size variation in small bore range by sabutin@mindspring.com 9) Buena Vista S.C. perf - lots o' trb! by Jgicking@aol.com 10) Re: movie recommendations? by sabutin@mindspring.com 11) RE: movie recommendations? by "Andrew Elms" 12) Trombone Choir by hanstrombonist@ananzi.co.za 13) Re: movie recommendations? by hanstrombonist@ananzi.co.za 14) Plating by hanstrombonist@ananzi.co.za 15) Gig by "Berggren, Erik" 16) Re: movie recommendations? by hanstrombonist@ananzi.co.za 17) Mahler 3 solo (was: Open Horn Sounds) by Douglas Yeo 18) Re: Gig by Chris Waage 19) Re: movie recommendations? by "Gary D. Maxwell" 20) Re: Womanly mouthpieces by Gabriel Langfur 21) Re: movie recommendations? by "Hal Starkey" 22) RE: Blue Bros. by "Richardson, Tim" 23) RE: Womanly mouthpieces by "Richardson, Tim" 24) Re: Plating by Candice & Eric Swanson 25) Re: CL mouthpieces was Anagram tune by Gabriel Langfur 26) Re: gig bag question by Gabriel Langfur 27) Re: CL mouthpieces was Anagram tune by "Christopher Smith" 28) Movies by "David Pozos" 29) Re: Diaphragm by "J. Mark Thompson" 30) Re: Trombone Choir by Earl Needham 31) Re: movie recommendations? by Earl Needham 32) Diaphragm, Part 2 by Earl Needham 33) re:Blues Bros. by Tuckertbn@aol.com 34) James Scott by David Buckley 35) Re: Bore size variation in small bore range by Richard Corliss 36) Re: movie recommendations? by "Hal Starkey" 37) Re: movie recommendations? by "Joe L. Norcross" 38) Re: movie recommendations? by bpfost@wcinet.net 39) RE: Gardell Simons by "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> 40) Re: movie recommendations? by "modelerd" 41) Plug by "Rod Ellard" 42) Movies! by Randy Fendrick 43) Re: Movies! by "Dennis Clason" 44) Tendonitis by "Billy Cordova" 45) Re: Tendonitis by "Tom Izzo" 46) Re: Movies! by Gabriel Langfur 47) Re: movie recommendations? by john wasson 48) Re: Tendonitis by Gabriel Langfur 49) RE: Tendonitis by "Daniel Cloutier" 50) laquering, etc. by "Steve Cagle" 51) Re: movie recommendations? by David Burch 52) Re: laquering, etc. by Candice & Eric Swanson 53) RE: Tendonitis by Beth Lewis 54) gone eatin' by "Daniel Pliskin" 55) Re: laquering, etc. by Craig Parmerlee 56) Re: Tendonitis by Michael & Dava Millar ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 12:27:46 +0000 From: David Bobroff To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: the Diaphragm Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010108122746.00841e20@centrum.is> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" http://www.breathing.com/articles/diaphragm-development.htm In particular read paragraph 4. This is correct. Bear in mind that a muscle can contract in one direction only. In the case of the diaphragm: contraction = inhalation. David Bobroff ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 08:20:09 -0500 From: Dave Molter To: trombone-L Subject: Movie recommendations Message-ID: <3A59BE89.9EB14142@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug Kilen asked for movie recommendations: "Man with the Golden Arm," featuring Frank Sinatra as "Frankie Machine," an aspiring drummer with a heroin problem. Great soundtrack, great movie, plus you'll get to see Sinatra "audition" with a band led by Shorty Rogers with Shelly Manne on drums Frank Rosolino on trombone. There's also a movie that has the Basie band playing on a train, but I can't remember what it is. Don't forget "The Benny Goodman Story" with Steve Allen, and you might even try "Orchestra Wives" with Glenn Miller. There must be others. The problem with most movies is that the music is incidental. For a decent CD compilation of late '50s, early '60s jazz from TV & movies that features great trombone sections, get "The Crime Scene," part of the Ultra Lounge series. "Crime Jazz II: Music in the Second Degree" is also good. Check Borders or CDNow. Dave Molter ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:25:29 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Sad news... Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" FYI: Ronald Pisarkiewicz, Tubist of the Vienna State Opera and Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra passed away suddenly on January 2nd. He was born on December 21, 1943 in Missouri and studied at the Manhattan School of Music where his teacher was Joseph Novotny. Mr. Pisarkiewicz was a member of the Oslo Philharmonic Orchestra in 1971-1972, the Frankfurt Opera House Orchestra from 1972-1976 and the Hamburg Staatsoper from 1976-1980. He joined the Vienna State Opera and Vienna Philharmonic in 1980. In 1983 he became a full member of the Vienna Philharmonic, the first U.S. American musician to attain that distinction. He also played in the Bayreuth Festspiel Orchestra in 1975 and 1976. Mr. Pisarkiewicz is survived by his wife Adelle. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:31:13 -0500 From: "Richardson, Tim" To: "'William Huber'" , trombone-l Subject: RE: Euphonium Rental in Phoenix, AZ Message-ID: <21E592FA8BA7D311B5B100062B001FE206F12A2A@LEE2> If all you need is fingering, many years ago when I had to learn euphonium in a hurry (cause I had overconfidently told the guy I could already play it) I built myself a practice keyboard and used it every night at work. Let me know and I'll explain the design. yours, tim richardson > -----Original Message----- > From: William Huber [SMTP:wphtbn@mindspring.com] > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 9:12 PM > To: trombone-l > Subject: Euphonium Rental in Phoenix, AZ > > Dear Phoenix Listers, > > Does anyone know a place in Phoenix where I can rent a euphonium for a > few days? I need something for practicing while I'm there for five days. > Luggage restrictions prevent me from taking my own (too much stuff as it > is). The horn can be three or four valves, compensating or not, small > shank > or large --- just something I can use to practice finger choreography. If > you wish, you may send any information to my home address to avoid > clogging > the list. > > Thank-You In Advance, > > Bill Huber ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 07:48:46 -0600 From: Jay Heltzer To: trombone Subject: movie rec. Message-ID: <3A59C53E.3921DA80@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I didn't think I would jump onto this thread, but... I have no idea why it popped into my head this morning but "The Glenn Miller Story" starring the late great Jimmy Stewart is my plug. I think it was the first music oriented movie that I saw. At least the first that I identified with. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 07:56:20 -0600 From: "Jeff Albert" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Movie recommendations Message-ID: <001a01c0797a$c7f58020$04ac1442@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's always the Basie Band in the desert in "Blazing Saddles"... Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Molter" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 7:20 AM Subject: Movie recommendations > Doug Kilen asked for movie recommendations: > > "Man with the Golden Arm," featuring Frank Sinatra as "Frankie Machine," > an aspiring drummer with a heroin problem. Great soundtrack, great > movie, plus you'll get to see Sinatra "audition" with a band led by > Shorty Rogers with Shelly Manne on drums Frank Rosolino on trombone. > There's also a movie that has the Basie band playing on a train, but I > can't remember what it is. > > Don't forget "The Benny Goodman Story" with Steve Allen, and you might > even try "Orchestra Wives" with Glenn Miller. There must be others. The > problem with most movies is that the music is incidental. > > For a decent CD compilation of late '50s, early '60s jazz from TV & > movies that features great trombone sections, get "The Crime Scene," > part of the Ultra Lounge series. "Crime Jazz II: Music in the Second > Degree" is also good. Check Borders or CDNow. > > Dave Molter > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 14:27:52 -0000 From: "Christopher Smith" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: movie recommendations Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi, Robert Altman's interesting "Short Cuts" has a lot scenes of L.A. pro Bruce Fowler playing with a combo, backing up a vocalist. And then there's always the trombonists bane, "The Town That Dreaded Sundown". Chris www.geocities.com/~christo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 09:40:47 -0500 From: sabutin@mindspring.com To: bgibson@dakota.net Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Bore size variation in small bore range Message-ID: <200101081442.JAA04827@barry.mail.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:54 AM 1/8/01 -0600, you wrote: >Sam; >They did make 6H's with 71/2" bells as an option, also 78H's with that option (Ephie Resnick >played one). >Bill Harris used a 71/2 " bell on his 6H. >Bob Hankle also used one for awhile until he sold it to me. >They originally made some Williams #6's with a 7 1/2' bell. >The Williams 4 had a 71/2" bell. >I owned both a Williams 4 and 6 at one time with 7 1/2" bells. >Bill Gibson ========================== Bill... Yes, I know about the 7 1/2" option on Conns...I use a 7 1/2" 78H bell on a 32H slide as my "power" horn...lead in loud bands, latin work. Conn would custom assemble almost anything...I've seen 8 1/2" 78Hs too. Thanks for the info on Bill Harris...I've often wondered how he got such amazing presence and power on an 8" bell, because I've never heard anyone else do it, not can I myself. Gary Valente comes the closest, to my ears, and he plays a prewar silver 2B. My 7 1/2" 78H bell is the most "Bill Harris like" bell I own, and now I understand why. It's amazing what bell size will do, really. I'm just beginning to understand it. My new Shires w/ 8" ands 8 1/2" bells manufactured identically is a completely different horn. I suspected Williams 4s had 7 1/2" bells...never saw one. I HAVE seen a few Williams-Wallace .525 bores, and all of THEM had 7 1/2" bells. never saw a Williams 6 w/a 7 1/2" bell, though. Thanks for that info too. Notwithstanding all of this, the point I was making in my original post still stands. Most of the people I work with in NY and elsewhere playing American styles of music,,,jazz, latin, pop, B'way etc...are playing .500 or .509 horns w/ 8" bells. Even the .525 players are playing 8" bells, mostly. The only horns I run across regularly that are not 8" are King 2Bs and Bach 42s. Later... Sam P.S. Would it be OK if I post this to the trombone list? Seems like useful information for a lot of people. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 09:50:27 EST From: Jgicking@aol.com To: Subject: Buena Vista S.C. perf - lots o' trb! Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I highly recommend the current "Buena Vista Social Club Presents" tour going on right now. (Philadelphia 1/6)While a fair number of Cuban music legends were on stage, including Ruben Gonzalez (pno), Cachao Lopez (bass), and singer Ibrahim Ferrer, I was knocked out by the horns, and great sound mix. There were about 8 of them, two trumpets, four saxes. Two trombonists led the orchestra in different segments. The first was one Jesus "Aguaje" (I think) Ramos. He was often featured throughout the night, HUGE, GORGEOUS sound throughout a wide dynamic range. Clean articulation. Surprisingly big equipment too, a straight Bach 42 I believe. Seemed the man could fill a 2000 seat theater, without a microphone. Also a slight non-slide vibrato that was very pleasing. The Cuban Glenn Dodson (to employ a Phila. trombone icon). IT wasn't just me, when this guy stepped up, the excitement level in the music and audience went up a few notches. My wife-equivalent, who wishes I'd stick to guitar, said she'd "never hea rd a trombone sound like that," sounded like "a different instrument", and this after I've subjected to her to more than just my efforts. Oh well. She's honest. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 09:54:58 -0500 From: sabutin@mindspring.com To: Closetbn@aol.com Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: movie recommendations? Message-ID: <200101081456.JAA18007@barry.mail.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" "Calle 54", a recent documentary about the Latin/Jazz scene, is as good a music movie as I've ever seen. Catches the REAL feeling of the music w/almost no hype; ten or eleven really fine performances by some great players. "Amalia", another recent documentary, is a great documentary about an amazing singer that almost no one in the US knows of, the late Amalia Rodrigues. She was Portugese, and sang mainly in the style known as "fado"...Portugese roots music. Her voice and musicianship are indescribable, and she has been one of my favorite singers for years. Hearing her always makes me think of Miles Davis in his Sketches of Spain period...not stylistically, really, just in terms of sound, commitment and sheer originality. She had a long career, singing all over Europe and Brazil as a superstar, but never really made it in America. Can't compare her to anyone...she's incomparable, really...but if you can imagine a cross between Bessie Smith, Edith Piaf, Ava Gardner and early Sarah Vaughn, you'd be somewhere in the neighborhood. Check her out. S. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:16:16 -0500 From: "Andrew Elms" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: movie recommendations? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Combining with a another recently started thread... The Buena Vista Social Club. This is a documentary by guitarist Ry Cooder about how all of the people in the previous post were brought together. Great film, Great music. Even though I hate the way Ry Cooder plays, the rest of the musicians provide so much that he hardly detracts at all. I listen to at least one number from this CD every day. Fantastic stuff. Andy ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:11:11 +0200 From: hanstrombonist@ananzi.co.za To: "Trombone-L" Subject: Trombone Choir Message-ID: <001e01c07988$075814a0$2144ef9b@co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On reading Earl's post about the wedding and the trombone choir, I just had to write something. A few of my trombone playing colleagues have been trying for some years now to get a trombone choir together. No, not a regular thing - just a once off get-together-play-some-music-and-have-fun occasion. Problem is, there are too few trombonists around. The closest we've been able to get to that ideal was last year at a national arts festval, where ther were two orchestras and a band from different parts of the country present. We almost managed to put nine trombones (a even mix of pros, students and hobbyists) together, but logistics weren't on our side. What I wan't to say basically is that you guys in the 'States (Brittain and Canada maybe too?) should count your lucky stars that you have such things as trombone choirs. And so many of them at that! Hans ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:01:38 +0200 From: hanstrombonist@ananzi.co.za To: "Trombone-L" Subject: Re: movie recommendations? Message-ID: <001d01c07988$066e9f00$2144ef9b@co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I watched Little Nicky the other night. Maybe not the best movie I've ever seen, but pretty funny nevertheless. And lots of trombones all over the place! It's almost off the circut here, so it might very well be out on video in the 'States. Robin Hood, Prince Of Thieves' soundtrack is pretty awesome music too, although there anren't too much trombone in. Fantasia 2000?? Hans > Greetings fellow trombonists > > I've got two more weeks off before school starts again, and my kids went > back to school last week. Needless to say, things are quiet around here! > Does anyone have any good movie rental recommendations that involve the > trombone, an awesome soundtrack, or anything else related to music? Thanks > for your replies! > > Doug Kilen > > ps - I've seen Brassed Off a couple dozen times... gotta love it! > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:30:19 +0200 From: hanstrombonist@ananzi.co.za To: "Trombone-L" Subject: Plating Message-ID: <001f01c07988$0853d9c0$2144ef9b@co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can any one please describe the process of lacquering a trombone? If I had my trombone relacquered, how would they go about that? Thanks Hans ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:24:53 -0600 From: "Berggren, Erik" To: "'Trombone-L'" Subject: Gig Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm sure one or more of you learned Listers can answer this question: Where did or how did the word "gig" come into use? Just curious,....it's one of those words I use frequently but don't know the history of. Thanks! Erik Berggren, AAA (Always An Amateur) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:36:03 +0200 From: hanstrombonist@ananzi.co.za To: "Trombone-L" Subject: Re: movie recommendations? Message-ID: <003901c07988$e63acbe0$2144ef9b@co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just thought of a nother musical movie. Long time ago, before I even took trombone seriously, I saw a movie named "Bolero" - it's about musicians going their way in WW II, loooong movie. I remember there were some orchestral music, and if I remember correctly, it end with an orchestra sitting on the roof of a building playing Bolero and Les Preludes. Worth seeing. Coming to think of it, if anybody knows where I can find this movie, I'd like to buy it. Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Kilen" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Monday, 08, January, 2001 02:11 Subject: movie recommendations? > Greetings fellow trombonists > > I've got two more weeks off before school starts again, and my kids went > back to school last week. Needless to say, things are quiet around here! > Does anyone have any good movie rental recommendations that involve the > trombone, an awesome soundtrack, or anything else related to music? Thanks > for your replies! > > Doug Kilen > > ps - I've seen Brassed Off a couple dozen times... gotta love it! > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:34:02 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Mahler 3 solo (was: Open Horn Sounds) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 8:34 PM -0600 1/6/01, Hal Starkey wrote: PS I've not heard Bernstein's NYP recording. I'm sure Alessi was great on it. The only recording I have is an old Leinsdorf BSO probably from the 1960's. I haven't listened to it in years but I'm sure the solo was good. I don't know who played it. Any ideas Mr. Yeo? The Boston Symphony has recorded Mahler 3 twice, first in 1966 with Erich Leinsdorf conducting (RCA LSC-7046), and again in 1993 with Seiji Ozawa conducting (Philips 434 909-2). William Gibson is the trombone soloist with Leinsdorf, Ronald Barron with Ozawa. I just listened to the Leinsdorf recording again after many years. Leinsdorf's tempo concept is much faster than many performances you hear of the work today, and Gibson plays very well. But, of course, what does "very well" MEAN? Alessi and others play the solo very well, too, but with something like a Mahler Symphony solo, there is no such thing as a "definitive" interpretation. The current tendency to play the solo like "concrete blocks" doesn't strike me as what Mahler was after at all, but in the end, it's up to us as listeners to glean something from performances which initially might strike us as "odd" or even "wrong." It's amazing how living with something for awhile can get us past the initial, "I don't like that" phase. BTW, the second NY Phil/Bernstein recording of Mahler 3 was made in 1987 with Alessi as soloist (DG 427 328-2). That year, the NY Phil also performed the piece with Giuseppe Sinopoli conducting, and Joe sounds quite beautiful in that live performance (I actually prefer it to the Bernstein recording). One thing about the Leinsdorf/BSO recording which really stood out as I was re-listening to it - Armando Ghitalla's playing as principal trumpet is really quite special. What a player, and the clarity of articulation and arching of lines is something to behold. That recording is also the first on which Chester Schmitz played tuba (his magnificent Alexander CC). Wow! Lots to enjoy... -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:37:37 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: Re: Gig Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Actually, I think it has something to do with an old Southern tradition of frog-hunting. You take a forked stick, and stab the frog after spot-lighting it. Quite appropriate for the free-lance music world . . . ;-) Chris I'm sure one or more of you learned Listers can answer this question: Where did or how did the word "gig" come into use? Just curious,....it's one of those words I use frequently but don't know the history of. Thanks! Erik Berggren, AAA (Always An Amateur) -- _________________________________________ Chris Waage chris@trombone.org Associate Webmaster The Online Trombone Journal http://www.trombone.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 07:45:32 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: "hanstrombonist@ananzi.co.za" Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: movie recommendations? Message-ID: <3A59E09C.16A4ABF9@bcsd.k12.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hanstrombonist@ananzi.co.za wrote: > I remember there were some > orchestral music, and if I remember correctly, it end with an orchestra > sitting on the roof of a building playing Bolero and Les Preludes. ============================================================== This comment reminded me of Mel Brooks "Blazing Saddles" and the Basie band playing out in the desert, playing (I believe) April In Paris, as the cowboys rode off into the sunset. Now THAT is pretty musical. (:>)) How about "Orchestra Wives", with the Glenn Miller Orchestras? My .02 Gary Maxwell Bass Trombone Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 07:50:52 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Womanly mouthpieces Message-ID: <20010108155052.77138.qmail@web10307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- hanstrombonist@ananzi.co.za wrote: > Didn't Raymond Premru use the equivalent of a Bach 2 > (or even smaller)? Yes, Ray played a Mt. Vernon 2G that was bored out and had the rim built up so that it was wider, like a tenor rim - it was probably closer to a tuba rim, actually. Later on, he had Greg Black make a copy of that mouthpiece, and he played that for the last couple of years before he died. Strangely enough, however, he tended to encourage some of his tenor students to play fairly big mouthpieces - 4G and such. If they were looking that is - he didn't mess with people's choices if they were working for them. > > This reminds me of something. I've often wondered > if it should be easier > (theoretically) for someone with a small face and > thin lips to get a big > sound out of a smaller mouthpiece, than it would be > for someone with big > lips? > > Hans I think so, yes. Trumpet players think about this stuff a lot, and they (well some of them anyway) know they need to match their rim to their face, not to what Phil Smith plays. Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:06:33 -0600 From: "Hal Starkey" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Re: movie recommendations? Message-ID: <004f01c0798c$f89a0680$0c381b41@KSCABLE.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004C_01C0795A.ADCD3BE0" I'll ditto the recommendations of the oversentimentalized movies The Benny Goodman Story with Steve Allen and The Glenn Miller Story with Jimmy Stewart. There's also The Fabulous Dorseys with the REAL Dorsey brothers. Another Glenn Miller movie is Sun Valley Serenade. You might try to find the Danny Kaye movie A Song is Born. It features Tommy Dorsey, Benny Goodman, Lionel Hampton, Louis Armstrong, Louie Bellson and others. The 1958 Newport Festival is featured in the movie Jazz on a Summer Day. Tonight on PBS is the first of the 10 series JAZZ - A Film By Ken Burns. Go to www.pbs.org/jazz/ for more info. Hal ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:09:35 -0500 From: "Richardson, Tim" To: "'Jeff Albert'" , yardlejw@uwec.edu, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Blue Bros. Message-ID: <21E592FA8BA7D311B5B100062B001FE206F12A2E@LEE2> Wrong wrong wrong, this is one of the few cases where the sequel is better than the (classic) original. My kids have memorized all the lines from both (and from Tremors 1 and 2, also classic movies though not quite the quality of Blues). yours, tim richardson > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Albert [SMTP:jalbert@bellsouth.net] > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 9:38 PM > To: yardlejw@uwec.edu; Trombones and related issues forum. > Subject: Blue Bros. > > If you are going to watch a Blues Bros. movie, watch the real thing, not > the > blasphemous, show me the money sequel. > > Sorry, off topic, I'll shut up now. > > Jeff Albert > > www.jeffalbert.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Trombones and related issues forum." > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 8:25 PM > Subject: RE: movie recommendations? > > > > Doug, > > > > If you haven't seen "Blues Brothers 2000" I would recommend it. It's > got some pretty kickin' music scenes and the Blues Brothers are pretty > hip. > Jon Faddis, Tom Malone, and BB King are in it, to name a few. > > > > James Yardley > > Bass Trombone > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Douglas Kilen > > To: Trombones and related issues forum. > > Sent: 1/7/01 6:11 PM > > Subject: movie recommendations? > > > > Greetings fellow trombonists > > > > I've got two more weeks off before school starts again, and my kids went > > back to school last week. Needless to say, things are quiet around > > here! > > Does anyone have any good movie rental recommendations that involve the > > trombone, an awesome soundtrack, or anything else related to music? > > Thanks > > for your replies! > > > > Doug Kilen > > > > ps - I've seen Brassed Off a couple dozen times... gotta love it! > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:13:07 -0500 From: "Richardson, Tim" To: "'Neobopr@aol.com'" , trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Womanly mouthpieces Message-ID: <21E592FA8BA7D311B5B100062B001FE206F12A2F@LEE2> Speculating wildly here, maybe you shouldn't limit it to the size of the lips. I believe the size and shape of the aural cavity are also significant, maybe more so than the lips. yours, tim richardson > -----Original Message----- > From: Neobopr@aol.com [SMTP:Neobopr@aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 5:38 PM > To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu > Subject: Re: Womanly mouthpieces > > > In a message dated 1/7/01 6:07:59 PM, hanstrombonist@ananzi.co.za writes: > > < > (theoretically) for someone with a small face and thin lips to get a big > > sound out of a smaller mouthpiece, than it would be for someone with big > > lips?>> > > I find that since the measurement across the corner of my lips is so small > > (side to side), and the fact that my lips are relatively thin, that I tend > to > get this very effect. > For comparison, if anyone is interested, take a look at the MP's I use > with > my various horns. > > Trombonically yours, > > Artist/Clinician for Yamaha: Jeff > > Adams ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 10:14:22 -0500 From: Candice & Eric Swanson Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Plating Message-ID: <3A59D94D.9479A2CE@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hanstrombonist@ananzi.co.za wrote: > Can any one please describe the process of lacquering a trombone? If I had > my trombone relacquered, how would they go about that? Hans, Strip old lacquer. Remove dents. Polish. Spray on new lacquer. Eric Swanson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:32:47 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: CL mouthpieces was Anagram tune Message-ID: <20010108163247.40711.qmail@web10302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Nick Drozdoff wrote: I am trying to improve > my 'bone playing. I'm > going to look into these Christen Lindberg > mouthpieces. The Schilkes are > OK, but I think I can do better. Nick, be warned. The CL mouthpieces are very strange designs - extremely round rims, shallow cups, but VERY wide throats. A student of mine bought one, mostly (I think) because it helped him double-tongue in the low register. Unfortunately, it sounded like crap for him everywhere else on the horn, and he stopped playing it within a week & went back to his 5G. He wasted about $150 on the CL piece. If it really, really works for you, fine - but a more standard design style is probably a better choice. Check out the Bach and Stork mouthpieces close to the Schilke you're playing, and if those don't work, look into the more expensive options of Greg Black and Doug Elliott. My 2 cents. Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:35:31 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: gig bag question Message-ID: <20010108163531.75341.qmail@web10308.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii zipper. Mine (dependent thayers) don't fit the other way. Gabe --- Jay Heltzer wrote: > Regarding the G series gig bags by reunion blues, > which this thread is developed > from... > > Hey bass trombonists with G bags... > > do you put your horn in with the valves on the > bottom, or against the zipper? I > just got a G bag and Im not sure which option is > better. > > Jay Heltzer > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 17:02:38 -0000 From: "Christopher Smith" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: CL mouthpieces was Anagram tune Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Nick, be warned. The CL mouthpieces are very strange designs - extremely round rims, shallow cups, but VERY wide throats. +++++++++++++ Hi, Because the design of these mouthpieces is so different, I think anyone who doesn't give themselves a fair amount of time (i.e., at least a few months) getting familiar with them is cheating themselves. I had no trouble switching to a Lindberg in 1994 (while doing a LOT of practicing) and I've never gone back to conventional mouthpieces, though I've tried all of them. My experience is that the CL mouthpieces taught me to blow more efficiently. You can't jam them into your chops like a Schilke and get good results. I learned to "stay back" off the mouthpiece and it has made a huge difference in my playing. My only gripe about them is that they sit low in leadpipes so teflon tape is necessary. But I love the things. Since I started playing them, I don't think about the mechanisms of playing much. I just play. I have an excellent high school student right now who recently switched to CL mouthpieces (on his own). He sounds great and has no trouble with them. just another guy's opinion, Chris www.geocities.com/~christo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:36:41 -0600 From: "David Pozos" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Movies Message-ID: <003d01c07999$8fd60920$8fc2180a@davidpoz.xal.megared.net.mx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Have you seen "Allegro non troppo"? It«s an Italian movie that is an irreverent cross between Fantasia and Fellini«s orchestra. You see shots of the orchestra then there are animated sequences, the Sibelius Valse Triste is quite moving. David Pozos Primer Tromb—n Orquesta Sinf—nica de Xalapa ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 12:17:13 -0600 From: "J. Mark Thompson" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Diaphragm Message-ID: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Earl, The simple fact of the matter is that the diaphragm is the primary muscle of inspiration. It is located between the thoracic and abdominal cavities, and when in resting position, it forms an arch. During contraction, the diaphragm descends and flattens, thus enlarging the chest cavity. The diaphragm is assisted in inspiration by the external intercostal muscles and, to a much lesser degree, the muscles of the back and neck. In exhalation, the diaphragm is passive--it cannot provide force in both directions! Expiration begins by the relaxation of the muscles of inspiration. This activity is a passive process until we force the wind out. Then the abdominal muscles contract (thus raising a relaxed diaphragm) and the internal intercostal muscles also contract. The only use for the diaphragm when we are blowing out is to help provide the resistance needed in order to bear down or strain as in defacation or childbirth (i.e., the Valsalva maneuver). The closing of the larynx also assists in this capacity. If your friend from the hiking list must use his diaphragm every time he breathes out, then he must be really full of something which needs explelling. Just because he "thinks" he is using his diaphragm to blow out does not make it so. He is just misinformed and is mislabeling the sensation he gets when blowing out as "diaphragmatic breathing" when in fact it is an action of his abdominal muscles that he is sensing. JMT >Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 08:36:35 -0700 >From: Earl Needham >Subject: Diaphragm > > Anybody remember our discussion from several years ago about whether >the diaphragm pulls air in or pushes it out? Well, now I'm getting static >from someone on a hiking list, and he claims that the diaphragm forces air >out. He's pretty set in his thoughts, and my statement of the true nature >doesn't faze him. > > Where is any proof that I can get to him? Perhaps a web page or >something... > > Thanks, > Earl Dr. J. Mark Thompson, NCTM Associate Professor, Trombone and Low Brass Northwestern State University o(318)357-5791 f(318)357-5906 ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 11:30:31 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: "hanstrombonist@ananzi.co.za" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Trombone Choir Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010108112825.00a5c7f0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:11 PM 1/8/01 +0200, hanstrombonist@ananzi.co.za blasted the following out into the ether: What I wan't to say basically is that you guys in the 'States (Brittain and Canada maybe too?) should count your lucky stars that you have such things as trombone choirs. And so many of them at that! Yes, Hans, you're quite correct. I feel VERY fortunate that, amateur that I am, I have access to the Trombone Choir just 100 miles from here (about an hour+45). Also, such a good teacher in Don Lucas. And THEN -- it's just amazing how many good people are on this list, and they ALL make time to help, answer questions, encourage, etc. THANKS, ALL! Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446m W103d 12.700m (or so) Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, you breathe...) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 11:34:34 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: movie recommendations? Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010108113238.00a6b100@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:06 AM 1/8/01 -0600, Hal Starkey blasted the following out into the ether: I'll ditto the recommendations of the oversentimentalized movies The Benny Goodman Story with Steve Allen and The Glenn Miller Story with Jimmy Stewart. There's also The Fabulous Dorseys with the REAL Dorsey brothers. Another Glenn Miller movie is Sun Valley Serenade. You might try to find the Danny Kaye movie A Song is Born. It features Tommy Dorsey, Benny Goodman, Lionel Hampton, Louis Armstrong, Louie Bellson and others. The 1958 Newport Festival is featured in the movie Jazz on a Summer Day. What's that old movie with Lee Marvin and Jack Webb? Just HILARIOUS to watch jack Webb walk down to the front of the stage (NOT swinging his arms), take a trumpet ride (and his mouth NEVER moves, and it's totally loose), then walk (his arms NEVER swinging) back to his seat! It's Joe Friday with a trumpet instead of a gun... Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446m W103d 12.700m (or so) Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, you breathe...) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 11:38:38 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Diaphragm, Part 2 Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010108113734.00a6d850@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thanks for all the information, everybody. My friend over on the hiking list is absolutely CONVINCED the lungs are filled by air pressure and emptied by the diaphragm. I've sent him a few links to pages that shows otherwise. Thanks, Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446m W103d 12.700m (or so) Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, you breathe...) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:51:13 EST From: Tuckertbn@aol.com To: TROMBONE-L@lists.missouri.edu Subject: re:Blues Bros. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d7.b553ac.278b6621_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline I have to disagree very strongly with Tim's assessment of the Blues Brothers sequel. ÊThe first one is a classic, and they should have never made a sequel to it without Belushi. ÊIt was indeed a blasphemy. My favorite line of the movie is the scene where Jake and Elwood knock on an old woman's door looking for a member of their band. ÊThe lady asks, "Are you the police?" ÊThe blues bros. respond, completely deadpan, "No ma'am, we're musicians." Ê Craig >>Wrong wrong wrong, this is one of the few cases where the sequel is better than the (classic) original. My kids have memorized all the lines from both (and from Tremors 1 and 2, also classic movies though not quite the quality of Blues). yours, tim richardson>> ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 14:16:37 -0500 From: David Buckley To: Trombone-L Subject: James Scott Message-ID: <3A5A1215.9CE81268@sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just heard on the CBC Jim Scott playing the Tomassi at a Calgary Philharmonic concert. Very tasteful! Congratulations Jim on first getting it programmed and then playing it so well. Isn't it about time we had some of our Canadian players booked to play at ETW and ITF events? Alain Trudel is not the only player north of the border. (Jim has been in Canada so long that I will forget about his American birth. After all that was not his fault). Happy New Year. Dave Buckley. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 13:49:36 -0600 From: Richard Corliss To: Trombone-l mailing Subject: Re: Bore size variation in small bore range Message-ID: <3A5A19D0.E04A8BF6@astound.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > At 02:54 AM 1/8/01 -0600, you wrote: > >Sam; > >They did make 6H's with 71/2" bells as an option, also 78H's with that > option (Ephie Resnick > >played one). > >Bill Harris used a 71/2 " bell on his 6H. > >Bob Hankle also used one for awhile until he sold it to me. > >They originally made some Williams #6's with a 7 1/2' bell. > >The Williams 4 had a 71/2" bell. > >I owned both a Williams 4 and 6 at one time with 7 1/2" bells. > >Bill Gibson > The .500" Conns such as the 48h and 6h will also take a 4h 7" bell. I often use a 48h slide with a 4h bell. Richard Corliss ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:47:01 -0600 From: "Hal Starkey" To: "Trombone List" , Subject: Re: movie recommendations? Message-ID: <001f01c079b4$2695ce80$0c381b41@KSCABLE.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C07981.DBD22BA0" > At 10:06 AM 1/8/01 -0600, Hal Starkey blasted the following out into the ether: > >I'll ditto the recommendations of the oversentimentalized movies The Benny > >Goodman Story with Steve Allen and The Glenn Miller Story with Jimmy > >Stewart. There's also The Fabulous Dorseys with the REAL Dorsey > >brothers. Another Glenn Miller movie is Sun Valley Serenade. You might > >try to find the Danny Kaye movie A Song is Born. It features Tommy > >Dorsey, Benny Goodman, Lionel Hampton, Louis Armstrong, Louie Bellson and > >others. The 1958 Newport Festival is featured in the movie Jazz on a > >Summer Day. > > What's that old movie with Lee Marvin and Jack Webb? > > Just HILARIOUS to watch jack Webb walk down to the front of the stage > (NOT swinging his arms), take a trumpet ride (and his mouth NEVER moves, > and it's totally loose), then walk (his arms NEVER swinging) back to his > seat! It's Joe Friday with a trumpet instead of a gun... > > Earl > > > Earl Needham, KD5XBÊÊÊ mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG > Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446m W103d 12.700m (or so) ------------------------------------------------------------- Earl- You're talking about the movie Pete Kelly's Blues! It starred Jack Webb, Lee Marvin, Janet Leigh, Jayne Mansfield and Edmond O'Brien.ÊÊThe story's a musidrama about a 1920's speakeasy jazz cornetist who becomes involved with some Kansas City gangsters. The movie's origination came from a '40's radio show by the same name. I think Webb directed and produced both. Ella Fitzgerald and Peggy Lee sing in the movie. In fact, it seems like Lee was nominated for best supporting actress! Of course, I mean Peggy Lee, not Lee Marvin. Some of the musician's who appeared in Pete's movie band were Matty Matlock, clt; Eddie Miller, tenor sax; Nick Fatool, drms;and Moe Schneider, trb. On the radio show I think Abe Lincoln was the trombonist in the band. Hal ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 12:45:00 -0800 From: "Joe L. Norcross" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: movie recommendations? Message-ID: <00c901c079b3$e02fa6a0$1537a5d1@computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pete Kelly's Blues. A great Jazz movie Dragnet with a beat Webb was a great Jazz fan, remember he was married to Julie London for a time. Joe L. Norcross Tuba: Visalia CA Sequoia Winds, Visalia Brass Band Tuba and Announcer: Kingsburg City Band joetuba@lightspeed.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earl Needham" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 10:34 AM Subject: Re: movie recommendations? > What's that old movie with Lee Marvin and Jack Webb? > > Just HILARIOUS to watch jack Webb walk down to the front of the stage > (NOT swinging his arms), take a trumpet ride (and his mouth NEVER moves, > and it's totally loose), then walk (his arms NEVER swinging) back to his > seat! It's Joe Friday with a trumpet instead of a gun... > > Earl > > > Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG > Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446m W103d 12.700m (or so) > > Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, > you breathe...) > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:25:17 GMT From: bpfost@wcinet.net To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: movie recommendations? Message-ID: <200101082125.VAA67075@wci3.wcinet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Another good movie that came out in the last couple of years is Kansas City. Nice jazz/blues soundtrack with lots of emphasis on the house band if I recall. -bodie ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:05:49 -0600 From: "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Gardell Simons Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Someone asked about dates for Gardell Simons. I don't have much of a music reference collection here at the law library, but I do have OCLC, a big library database with lots of information about obscure people. I looked up the authority record, which cites the Heritage Encyclopedia of Band Music by W. H. Rehrig. Simons was born Aug. 16, 1878 in Alleyan, Michigan and died March 22, 1945 in Miami Fla. BTW--every wind musician should know of this encyclopedia. It is the single best source for biographical information on composers of band music and/or wind solos. Grove and Baker usually omit these composers, so Rehrig has done us all a huge favor. ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ David Guion, Cataloger John Marshall Law School 315 S. Plymouth Ct. Chicago, IL 60604 Voice: (312) 427-2737 x 552 Fax; (312) 427-8307 Should part-time band directors be called semi-conductors? ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:08:46 -0800 From: "modelerd" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: movie recommendations? Message-ID: <00ab01c079d0$571c3a00$338f3b3f@modelerd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've always liked the contra-bass trombone duet in the French Connection part II soundtrack by Don Ellis. DC ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:18:05 -0800 From: "Rod Ellard" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Plug Message-ID: <001901c079c9$41ce4b40$527bfea9@Ellard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those who may be interested, I am selling on ebay: 'A must-have for jazz trombonists! As-new copy of "Curtis Fuller's Greatest Transcribed Solos". Solos from one of the all-time greats of the trombone. Includes "Moment's Notice", "Locomotion" and "Lazy Bird" from Coltrane's Blue Train, "Ugetsu" from Art Blakey's JM at Birdland. Book is in pristine condition. Purchaser to add $3.00 for shipping and handling.' Rod ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 15:47:21 -0800 From: Randy Fendrick To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Movies! Message-ID: <3A5A5186.F6D6406F@accelnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Two that could be included on your list of worthy movies: "The Gig" a film about an amature dixie band that gets a weeks engagement in the Catskills. There bass player has a heart attack and the have to hire a pro. Some good lines and some good playing by I believe Dan Barret. Although I would have to see it again to be sure. The other "Lets Get Lost" a classic about Chet Baker. It has some very worthy comments by Jack Sheldon. Cheers Randy Fendrick Southside Chicago Seven Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:41:55 -0800 From: "Dennis Clason" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Movies! Message-ID: <03c601c079d4$f7608760$0d2b7b80@nmsu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And nobody's mentioned 'Round About Midnight, a film noir view of the ex-pat jazz scene in Paris after the second war... If my memory is working correctly, Dexter Gordon played a tenor player (?!) in that one. Worth a rental, especially on bargain night. Dennis ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:17:52 -0600 From: "Billy Cordova" To: "Trombone-L" Subject: Tendonitis Message-ID: <000901c079e2$5f5d6560$cda4b4d0@sfasu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have chronic tendonitis in my right wrist. Sometimes (like now) it gets so bad that I have to wear a brace for several weeks. This brace completely immobilizes my wrist and makes it difficult to use the slide properly. Does anyone have any suggestions on the best way to practice while wearing the brace. E.g. should I practice while wearing it, or will this cause me to develop a bad slide technique? Or should I just do mouth piece buzzing, do some ear training exercises, brush up on my music theory, etc. Please note that learning to play a valve instrument is not a viable alternative for me since I don't have access to any. Any and all help will be appreciated. Billy I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it - Voltaire St. Cecilia, pray for us. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:55:05 -0600 From: "Tom Izzo" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Tendonitis Message-ID: <000901c079ef$f4df6680$0bb54a3f@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Billy, > I have chronic tendonitis in my right wrist. Sometimes (like now) it gets > so bad that I have to wear a brace for several weeks. This brace completely > immobilizes my wrist and makes it difficult to use the slide properly. Does > anyone have any suggestions on the best way to practice while wearing the > brace. E.g. should I practice while wearing it, or will this cause me to > develop a bad slide technique? Or should I just do mouth piece buzzing, do > some ear training exercises, brush up on my music theory, etc. Please note > that learning to play a valve instrument is not a viable alternative for me > since I don't have access to any. Any and all help will be appreciated. If you have "chronic" tendonitis, then maybe getting a valve instrument (Valve Trombone, Bass Trumpet, Bass Cornet, Flugabone, Bar Horn, Euphonium, et al) IS the way to go. Think about it. You said this happens often. Why not keep the chops in shape by actually playing? Tom > > Billy > > I may not agree with what you say, > but I will defend to the death > your right to say it - Voltaire > > St. Cecilia, pray for us. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:57:20 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Movies! Message-ID: <20010109025720.47050.qmail@web10302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dennis Clason wrote: > And nobody's mentioned 'Round About Midnight, a film > noir > view of the ex-pat jazz scene in Paris after the > second > war... > > If my memory is working correctly, Dexter Gordon > played a > tenor player (?!) in that one. Worth a rental, > especially > on bargain night. > > Dennis > YES...one of my favorites. It's actually called simply "'Round Midnight", and the soundtrack album is also excellent. Herbie Hancock is also in the movie, and was music director for the project. Dexter Gordon is excellent in the role. BTW, Dexter Gordon has had other acting jobs, including a piano-playing mental hospital patient in "Awakenings", which is a great film of its own starring Robin Williams. Thinking of "'Round Midnight" reminds me of another favorite film I watched a lot at about the same time of my life: "Bring on the Night", the documentary made about Sting's "Dream of the Blue Turtles" album, and the formation of that incredible band of young jazz musicians - Branford Marsalis, Kenny Kirkland, etc. Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 21:04:28 -0600 From: john wasson To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: movie recommendations? Message-ID: <3A5A7FB4.748F7125@johnwasson.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Szopinski wrote: > Gladiator is an awsome flick. it has a very excellent > > soundtrack and a lot of very sweet action. It doesn't > involve trombone, but > it is very good. Actually, there are several trombones (including the basses and contrabasses) in the score to Gladiator. You can't always hear them clearly on the movie soundtrack with the picture, but get the CD. It is awesome. I got the chance to arrange some of the music for Hal Leonard for concert band, and they sent me many of the original movie orchestrations from Dreamworks. The scoring is mostly 4-6 trumpets, 6 horns, 6 trombones and tubas, LOTS of percussion, and strings. And no pesky woodwinds. :) Bruce Fowler, composer and arranger extraordinare, did many of the orchestrations. There are some SERIOUS passages of gutty low-brass writing. Not to be missed by any trombonists! john -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= . johnwasson.com . . ...music solutions . . . . http://www.johnwasson.com . =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:08:28 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Tendonitis Message-ID: <20010109030828.58227.qmail@web10305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Billy, Maybe the key is to take your trombone with you to your doctor and try to work together to develop a technique that works best with your body. Ray Premru used to show me a very relaxed slide technique idea that used larger arm motions, rather than pivoting everything at the wrist. It's hard to explain in writing, but essentially he would keep the wrist fairly still and pivot more or less at the elbow while turning his hand, changing the angle at which his palm faced his body. So first position would have the palm essentially facing the floor, and as the positions got farther out, his palm would come closer and closer to facing his body. It sounds much more complicated than it really is, but the idea is that the wrist remains almost still but very relaxed, and you get quick slide motions by a combination of gravity and turning your hand away from and back to your body. Does that make any sense? I would also suggest reading Sabutin's article on trombone.org about slide technique, where he describes some of the techniques he's seen work well for people. Some of them are unorthodox, but ulitimately, if it works it's good...and it sounds like you need to find something that works for you, that you can do with or without a brace, and that doesn't aggravate your condition. Gabe --- Billy Cordova wrote: > I have chronic tendonitis in my right wrist. > Sometimes (like now) it gets > so bad that I have to wear a brace for several > weeks. This brace completely > immobilizes my wrist and makes it difficult to use > the slide properly. Does > anyone have any suggestions on the best way to > practice while wearing the > brace. E.g. should I practice while wearing it, or > will this cause me to > develop a bad slide technique? Or should I just do > mouth piece buzzing, do > some ear training exercises, brush up on my music > theory, etc. Please note > that learning to play a valve instrument is not a > viable alternative for me > since I don't have access to any. Any and all help > will be appreciated. > > Billy > > I may not agree with what you say, > but I will defend to the death > your right to say it - Voltaire > > St. Cecilia, pray for us. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:56:02 -0800 From: "Daniel Cloutier" To: bhcordova@cox-internet.com Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Tendonitis Message-ID: <200101090356.TAA01286@mail7.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 >"Billy Cordova" wrote: >Does anyone have any suggestions on the best way to practice while >wearing the brace. E.g. should I practice while wearing it, or will >this cause me to develop a bad slide technique? Billy, As a survivor of tendonitis (right shoulder), I'd make a few suggestions: 1) *Try* playing with the brace, and see how it feels. However, IMHO, do this only in moderation. The extra weight of the brace could actually cause problems to crop up elsewhere. 2) When you play without the brace, concentrate on eliminating any tension in the wrist that may continue the tendonitis. 3) Don't forget the wonders of modern medicine. Ibuprofen really helped me get on top of my tendonitis. Not that the drug caused me to behave in a pain-free way. Instead, it moved the pain aside long enough for me to really study the area and devise a way of treating the problem in a long-term, premanent way. 4) Try to discover the original cause of the tendonitis. Remember, it may NOT be trombone playing. In my case, it was singing First Tenor in a Church Choir. My trombone playing simply exacerbated the problem. 5) Devise a set of simple, relaxed exercises that you can do daily that will help heal and build up your wrist. Again, I did this, and after about 1.5 years of doing the exercises twice a day (a total of maybe 10 minutes, tops), I had the pain completely eliminated. Now, every once an a great while, I'll feel just a little "snip" in my shoulder. So, I'll do my exercises for a few days, and I'm back to normal. Hope this helps. Believe me, you CAN beat this. I can still remember sitting on stage before a concert, feeling as if someone was shoving an ice-pick in my shoulder every few seconds. I thought I'd never recover. I did, and fully. If you have any other questions, feel free to e-mail me. DC ------------------------------------------------------------ --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 22:23:22 -0600 From: "Steve Cagle" To: "T BONE" Subject: laquering, etc. Message-ID: <00e701c079f3$e7782b40$bde40e3f@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E4_01C079C1.9C2519A0" I was wondering if anyone has information on what you would pay for relaquering and everything else that goes with it. I had a straight tenore done about 3 years ago and it cost around$300 and they did a fine job. I jst sent off an old 3BF just bought and the store owner told me it would be around $500. Well, I talkedÊto m tonight at community band and he told me that he had just gotten an 88H back and the price form the people doing the job was $1600 for their part! He told me to expect to pay at least $800 for the 3B. He is a friend and will not charge me for their profit, so they willnot make anything. I havent's heard anything about prices going up like this. Are these prices in line or are we getting taken here? Steve Cagle Family Church Instrumental Director Twin Cities Community Band ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 23:43:18 -0500 From: David Burch To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: movie recommendations? Message-ID: <3A5A96E6.6E148C12@fuse.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 'Amadeus'. Not really about Mozart, but a fantasy about a rival composer, a fictitious representation of the real composer Salieri, who has always lived clean, followed the rules, and can't get over the obvious fact that the young skirt chaser and hellraiser received the greater gift. Hint: "Amadeus" is Latin for "Beloved of God". An engrossing story, lots of good music. 'Young Man With a Horn'. A thinly-disguised bio of Bix Beiderbeck, the great jazz cornetist who burned out his candle struggling for the freedom to make good jazz instead of simple-minded dance music. Great performances by Kirk Douglas as the trumpet-playing Beiderbeck proxy, and Doris Day as the band singer who admires him. I think Harry James played the solos for the soundtrack. Dave Burch Hamilton, Ohio ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 22:46:14 -0500 From: Candice & Eric Swanson Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: laquering, etc. Message-ID: <3A5A8986.4DA4942F@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve Cagle wrote: > I was wondering if anyone has information on what you would pay for > relaquering and everything else that goes with it. I had a straight > tenore done about 3 years ago and it cost around$300 and they did a > fine job. I jst sent off an old 3BF just bought and the store owner > told me it would be around $500. Well, I talked to m tonight at > community band and he told me that he had just gotten an 88H back and > the price form the people doing the job was $1600 for their part! He > told me to expect to pay at least $800 for the 3B. He is a friend and > will not charge me for their profit, so they willnot make anything. I > havent's heard anything about prices going up like this. Are these > prices in line or are we getting taken here? Steve, Brasswind lists overhaul prices in their catalog. I've always thought they were a little on the high side. They list the cost of a professional trombone at $325, and F attachment trombone at $400. Sounds like your "friend" is really charging you too much. You could by a new 88H for under $1600. Eric Swanson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:58:16 -0500 (EST) From: Beth Lewis To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Tendonitis Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Excellent advice....scroll down for the few things I can add from my experience. On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Daniel Cloutier wrote: > >"Billy Cordova" wrote: > >Does anyone have any suggestions on the best way to practice while > >wearing the brace. E.g. should I practice while wearing it, or will > >this cause me to develop a bad slide technique? > > Billy, > > As a survivor of tendonitis (right shoulder), I'd make a few suggestions: > > 1) *Try* playing with the brace, and see how it feels. However, IMHO, do this only in moderation. The extra weight of the brace could actually cause problems to crop up elsewhere. > > 2) When you play without the brace, concentrate on eliminating any tension in the wrist that may continue the tendonitis. > > 3) Don't forget the wonders of modern medicine. Ibuprofen really helped me get on top of my tendonitis. Not that the drug caused me to behave in a pain-free way. Instead, it moved the pain aside long enough for me to really study the area and devise a way of treating the problem in a long-term, permanent way. Be careful that you don't take ibuprofen for more than a couple of weeks (even less if a health care provider tells you to take larger doses, though they should be aware of that anyway). The reason is that it damages the stomach lining. If you need an anti-inflammatory for a longer period of time, there are plenty of safer alternatives (ask the doc...). One alternative that does not involve ingesting anything is ice (an ice pack covered with a cloth no longer than 20 min. of course!). Most probably already know this, but NEVER take tylenol, aspirin, or other pain relievers for tendonitis. They just numb the pain so you can blithely continue to do damage to yourself. > > 4) Try to discover the original cause of the tendonitis. Remember, it may NOT be trombone playing. In my case, it was singing First Tenor in a Church Choir. My trombone playing simply exacerbated the problem. Right. Major factors for me were computer use and piano. Be sure the keyboard (and mouse) is low enough (or your chair high enough) so that the angle your arms form is a right angle or greater. > > 5) Devise a set of simple, relaxed exercises that you can do daily that will help heal and build up your wrist. Again, I did this, and after about 1.5 years of doing the exercises twice a day (a total of maybe 10 minutes, tops), I had the pain completely eliminated. Now, every once an a great while, I'll feel just a little "snip" in my shoulder. So, I'll do my exercises for a few days, and I'm back to normal. Having a physical therapist would be a great help here. > > Hope this helps. Believe me, you CAN beat this. I can still remember sitting on stage before a concert, feeling as if someone was shoving an ice-pick in my shoulder every few seconds. I thought I'd never recover. I did, and fully. > > If you have any other questions, feel free to e-mail me. > > > DC I think that the most important thing to have when faced with a challenge like this is a positive attitude. Seek out physical therapy, relaxation exercises (even better, Alexander Technique), better health, more relaxed playing (which will most likely make you a better player!), etc. actively, and there's a pretty good chance you'll be able to get rid of it. Beth Lewis > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- > http://www.deja.com/ > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 05:41:17 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: gone eatin' Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Iâm off to Thailand, you lucky people. You wonât have to put up with my jievity for over two weeks. DanP Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 01:28:12 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: laquering, etc. Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010109012100.01f07da0@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed $300 is a lot more representative than either $800 or $1600 if you are talking about simply stripping, buffing and lacquering a straight horn. Of course, there may be dents or other damage to repair at the same time, which probably accounts for the different prices. $500 for a really excellent job on a horn with an F attachment seems on the high side, but not outrageous. If there is a lot of dent work to do, $500 is probably a very fair price. A person would really have to love that 88H to spend $1600 on it considering you can buy a new one for almost the same price. I don't understand the comment about not charging a profit. After all, the materials for this job cost maybe $25. The rest is labor (+ overhead). Clearly he is charging something for his time, although he may be giving you a discounted rate. Bottom line, if you want the job done and you trust his work, it sounds like a good thing. Cheers, Craig At 10:23 PM 1/8/2001 -0600, Steve Cagle wrote: I was wondering if anyone has information on what you would pay for relaquering and everything else that goes with it. I had a straight tenore done about 3 years ago and it cost around$300 and they did a fine job. I jst sent off an old 3BF just bought and the store owner told me it would be around $500. Well, I talked to m tonight at community band and he told me that he had just gotten an 88H back and the price form the people doing the job was $1600 for their part! He told me to expect to pay at least $800 for the 3B. He is a friend and will not charge me for their profit, so they willnot make anything. I havent's heard anything about prices going up like this. Are these prices in line or are we getting taken here? ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 22:51:49 -0800 From: Michael & Dava Millar To: bhcordova@cox-internet.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Tendonitis Message-ID: <3A5AB504.2155E561@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've posted the URL for the very informative "Musicians and Injuries" site to the list in the past, but it's probably been a while since I've done so. http://www.engr.unl.edu/ee/eeshop/music.html Mike Millar ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1917--